ZZZZZZ OK Chuck, here is the ammo you have been waiting for.

[BobR]

ANN Is Posting Breaking Stories, In REALTIME... Stay Tuned!

Bozo Of The Week


Yup... he's STILL at it. Chuck Slusarczyk of CGS Aviation (Repeat
Award). Chuck Slusarczyk builds ultralights and light aircraft... most
of them pretty good little airplanes -- when and if he actually
delivers the whole machine. Unfortunately, Chuck's skills as a designer
are not matched by his skills as a businessman... or as a human being.
For several years, we've been trying to get this guy to give money back
to customers he SCREWED (one celebrated case, in particular), even
after he PROMISED to do so... in letters to EAA, no less. We've written
about it over the years, here and there, and Chuck hates that and hates
US for it. But... rather than deal with the situation and make amends,
he goes into attack mode and turns into one of the most unpleasant
human beings it has ever been our misfortune to know. Somehow, he
thinks that his posting of nasty, idiotic, little signs excoriating
ANN's Jim Campbell, or ANN itself, will prove that he's not a crook and
a cheat. Unfortunately, for Chuck, it's a fruitless endeavor. We know
better and we proved it -- several times, no less. Chuck has lied to
his customers and cheated them out of merchandise/kits/planes that they
paid for. That's a fact.
Fact: A number of CGS customers have had unpleasant experiences with
the company and Mr. Slusarczyk.
Fact: A number of people have NOT gotten what they paid for and/or been
cheated by CGS.
Fact: A number of people who have complained about CGS and/or
Slusarczyk have been the recipients of personal attacks and threats
from same.
Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers.
Fact: ANN can not recommend CGS or Slusarczyk until he gives up this
idiotic pretense of innocence (which his own documents disprove... no
kidding) and makes amends to the innocent people he has cheated and
defrauded... which is a shame, because if you can actually get what you
paid for, CGS' planes actually fly fairly well. Thankfully, there are
better companies and somewhat better products out there... which we can
recommend that you look at, because in light of the above, we can NOT
recommend CGS.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article om>, BobR says...

Gee what an honor I think it's now 3 or maybe 4 times I've been named Bozo of
the Week. It's all the same old stuff rehashed .I guess he hasn't been brought
up to speed on what transpired with his "celebrated " case . As rants go I rate
it a 5 or 6 mainly because he won't name names and numbers just the usual "a
number of people" or "sucessfully sued" etc etc..
It's about credibility always was and he still lacks credibility.

He came up to me at Oshkosh with a yarn about an "Investigator for the
plaintiff" asking him questions concerning the Walton crash. Zoom said he told
the investigator that even though we had a "love affair" over the years he
thinks any lawsuit was BS. He probably figured that in gratitude for him not
talking to this investigator I wouldn't put up my zoom free zone sign and my ANN
free zone sign. NOT. I didn't believe for a minute that there was an
investigator and that this was just more of zooms BS.

I acted very cordial because I suspect he had a tape recorder running which he
has done before.He probably had someone with a camera shooting everything. I
wasn't about to cuss him out or threaten him just so he'd have "proof positive"
that I was terrorizing him. No zoomy nothings changed your still a phony ,you
still run ads people don't want and you still think your relevent.


Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility"....chuck s




>ANN Is Posting Breaking Stories, In REALTIME... Stay Tuned!
>
>Bozo Of The Week
>
>
>Yup... he's STILL at it. Chuck Slusarczyk of CGS Aviation (Repeat
>Award). Chuck Slusarczyk builds ultralights and light aircraft... most
>of them pretty good little airplanes -- when and if he actually
>delivers the whole machine. Unfortunately, Chuck's skills as a designer
>are not matched by his skills as a businessman... or as a human being.
>For several years, we've been trying to get this guy to give money back
>to customers he SCREWED (one celebrated case, in particular), even
>after he PROMISED to do so... in letters to EAA, no less. We've written
>about it over the years, here and there, and Chuck hates that and hates
>US for it. But... rather than deal with the situation and make amends,
>he goes into attack mode and turns into one of the most unpleasant
>human beings it has ever been our misfortune to know. Somehow, he
>thinks that his posting of nasty, idiotic, little signs excoriating
>ANN's Jim Campbell, or ANN itself, will prove that he's not a crook and
>a cheat. Unfortunately, for Chuck, it's a fruitless endeavor. We know
>better and we proved it -- several times, no less. Chuck has lied to
>his customers and cheated them out of merchandise/kits/planes that they
>paid for. That's a fact.
>Fact: A number of CGS customers have had unpleasant experiences with
>the company and Mr. Slusarczyk.
>Fact: A number of people have NOT gotten what they paid for and/or been
>cheated by CGS.
>Fact: A number of people who have complained about CGS and/or
>Slusarczyk have been the recipients of personal attacks and threats
>from same.
>Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers.
>Fact: ANN can not recommend CGS or Slusarczyk until he gives up this
>idiotic pretense of innocence (which his own documents disprove... no
>kidding) and makes amends to the innocent people he has cheated and
>defrauded... which is a shame, because if you can actually get what you
>paid for, CGS' planes actually fly fairly well. Thankfully, there are
>better companies and somewhat better products out there... which we can
>recommend that you look at, because in light of the above, we can NOT
>recommend CGS.
>

[Juan Jimenez]

Well, sheeeit, Billybob here finally figured out how to use the "Search"
button. Somebody applaud him.

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> ANN Is Posting Breaking Stories, In REALTIME... Stay Tuned!
>
> Bozo Of The Week
>
>
> Yup... he's STILL at it. Chuck Slusarczyk of CGS Aviation (Repeat
> Award). Chuck Slusarczyk builds ultralights and light aircraft... most
> of them pretty good little airplanes -- when and if he actually
> delivers the whole machine. Unfortunately, Chuck's skills as a designer
> are not matched by his skills as a businessman... or as a human being.
> For several years, we've been trying to get this guy to give money back
> to customers he SCREWED (one celebrated case, in particular), even
> after he PROMISED to do so... in letters to EAA, no less. We've written
> about it over the years, here and there, and Chuck hates that and hates
> US for it. But... rather than deal with the situation and make amends,
> he goes into attack mode and turns into one of the most unpleasant
> human beings it has ever been our misfortune to know. Somehow, he
> thinks that his posting of nasty, idiotic, little signs excoriating
> ANN's Jim Campbell, or ANN itself, will prove that he's not a crook and
> a cheat. Unfortunately, for Chuck, it's a fruitless endeavor. We know
> better and we proved it -- several times, no less. Chuck has lied to
> his customers and cheated them out of merchandise/kits/planes that they
> paid for. That's a fact.
> Fact: A number of CGS customers have had unpleasant experiences with
> the company and Mr. Slusarczyk.
> Fact: A number of people have NOT gotten what they paid for and/or been
> cheated by CGS.
> Fact: A number of people who have complained about CGS and/or
> Slusarczyk have been the recipients of personal attacks and threats
> from same.
> Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers.
> Fact: ANN can not recommend CGS or Slusarczyk until he gives up this
> idiotic pretense of innocence (which his own documents disprove... no
> kidding) and makes amends to the innocent people he has cheated and
> defrauded... which is a shame, because if you can actually get what you
> paid for, CGS' planes actually fly fairly well. Thankfully, there are
> better companies and somewhat better products out there... which we can
> recommend that you look at, because in light of the above, we can NOT
> recommend CGS.
>

[[email protected]]

Chuck;

It would seem that zzzoom would be the last person wanting to get
into a fact war.Jeez what facts could we post about him. Fact he was
impersonating a doctor, Fact he got his medical revoked for mental
problems. I could spend a week at the keyboard writing FACTS about
zzzoomy and his toadys. There are some good ones that haven't been
posted. Like about the time he showed up at Mary Fish's house with what
she described as obvious self inflicted wounds on his forehead. He told
her that he had been smuggled into Afganistan and was captured by the
Russians and that they beat him with rifle butts. But as always he
escaped. This was quite a coincidence because Mary Fish was the
deceased mother of his son. The one that the Maternal grandparents
snuck off to Central America with just minutes before he arrived with
the police to claim him.Oh yeah lets just post the facts.

I was reading an article the other evening and it had a passage that
fit zzzoom and yuan to a tee it said. "He has what the shrinks call
projection, I mean almost everything he says about his ideological
enemies can be said about him."

Frank "just the facts" Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia
..

[BobR]

wrote:
>
> I was reading an article the other evening and it had a passage that
> fit zzzoom and yuan to a tee it said. "He has what the shrinks call
> projection, I mean almost everything he says about his ideological
> enemies can be said about him."
>
> Frank "just the facts" Hitlaw
> Jakarta, Indonesia
> .

I was thinking the same thing when I read that rant...each "FACT" only
needed to substitute "ANN" or "ZOOM" for CGS and they fit like a glove.

[wmbjk]

On 6 Sep 2005 16:31:12 -0700, "BobR" > wrote:

>ANN Is Posting Breaking Stories, In REALTIME... Stay Tuned!
>
>Bozo Of The Week
>
>
>Yup... he's STILL at it. Chuck Slusarczyk of CGS Aviation

Here's some of what Kevin O'Brien had to say about the situation:

"I like Jim. I think he's a great guy who has done a lot for aviation,
and for years he did fulfill the promise of being 'proof that
magazines
don't have to be boring.' He didn't fulfill a lot of other promises
though, notably to subscribers and creditors. And I think he has some
severe issues with how he perceives himself, the world, and the other
people in it. His reality isn't real reality all the time. Now, many
people are a lot less pro-Jim than I. Some of them have very good
reason to be. While he has the balls to take on things that are real
problems
(Piper Tomahawk, Revolution Helicopter) he has not always had good
judgment about who to take on, and when he attacks someone who doesn't
deserve it (CGS [Chuck Slusarczyk], the Berkut folks, for a couple of
examples) he hurts real people, innocent people, in real ways. People
still tell Chuck 'But I read in USAviator...' and here Chuck is a guy
who is practically an icon in the ultralight world and honest as the
day is long."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/c6fac28c91d211fb?dmode=source&hl=en

Apparently all the ANN headquarter's hallucinogenic water that Kevin
was too smart to drink is now being shipped to Juan in PR. :-)

Wayne

[Steve Foley]

Zoom wrote:

"Chuck has lied to his customers and cheated them out of
merchandise/kits/planes that they paid for. That's a fact."

Chuck,

Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
television to take a libel case on contingency?




"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article om>, BobR
says...
>
> Gee what an honor I think it's now 3 or maybe 4 times I've been named Bozo
of
> the Week. It's all the same old stuff rehashed .I guess he hasn't been
brought
> up to speed on what transpired with his "celebrated " case . As rants go I
rate
> it a 5 or 6 mainly because he won't name names and numbers just the usual
"a
> number of people" or "sucessfully sued" etc etc..
> It's about credibility always was and he still lacks credibility.
>
> He came up to me at Oshkosh with a yarn about an "Investigator for the
> plaintiff" asking him questions concerning the Walton crash. Zoom said he
told
> the investigator that even though we had a "love affair" over the years he
> thinks any lawsuit was BS. He probably figured that in gratitude for him
not
> talking to this investigator I wouldn't put up my zoom free zone sign and
my ANN
> free zone sign. NOT. I didn't believe for a minute that there was an
> investigator and that this was just more of zooms BS.
>
> I acted very cordial because I suspect he had a tape recorder running
which he
> has done before.He probably had someone with a camera shooting everything.
I
> wasn't about to cuss him out or threaten him just so he'd have "proof
positive"
> that I was terrorizing him. No zoomy nothings changed your still a phony
,you
> still run ads people don't want and you still think your relevent.
>
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> "credibility it was always about credibility"....chuck s
>
>
>
>
> >ANN Is Posting Breaking Stories, In REALTIME... Stay Tuned!
> >
> >Bozo Of The Week
> >
> >
> >Yup... he's STILL at it. Chuck Slusarczyk of CGS Aviation (Repeat
> >Award). Chuck Slusarczyk builds ultralights and light aircraft... most
> >of them pretty good little airplanes -- when and if he actually
> >delivers the whole machine. Unfortunately, Chuck's skills as a designer
> >are not matched by his skills as a businessman... or as a human being.
> >For several years, we've been trying to get this guy to give money back
> >to customers he SCREWED (one celebrated case, in particular), even
> >after he PROMISED to do so... in letters to EAA, no less. We've written
> >about it over the years, here and there, and Chuck hates that and hates
> >US for it. But... rather than deal with the situation and make amends,
> >he goes into attack mode and turns into one of the most unpleasant
> >human beings it has ever been our misfortune to know. Somehow, he
> >thinks that his posting of nasty, idiotic, little signs excoriating
> >ANN's Jim Campbell, or ANN itself, will prove that he's not a crook and
> >a cheat. Unfortunately, for Chuck, it's a fruitless endeavor. We know
> >better and we proved it -- several times, no less. Chuck has lied to
> >his customers and cheated them out of merchandise/kits/planes that they
> >paid for. That's a fact.
> >Fact: A number of CGS customers have had unpleasant experiences with
> >the company and Mr. Slusarczyk.
> >Fact: A number of people have NOT gotten what they paid for and/or been
> >cheated by CGS.
> >Fact: A number of people who have complained about CGS and/or
> >Slusarczyk have been the recipients of personal attacks and threats
> >from same.
> >Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers.
> >Fact: ANN can not recommend CGS or Slusarczyk until he gives up this
> >idiotic pretense of innocence (which his own documents disprove... no
> >kidding) and makes amends to the innocent people he has cheated and
> >defrauded... which is a shame, because if you can actually get what you
> >paid for, CGS' planes actually fly fairly well. Thankfully, there are
> >better companies and somewhat better products out there... which we can
> >recommend that you look at, because in light of the above, we can NOT
> >recommend CGS.
> >
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
wrote:

>Chuck,
>
>Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
>television to take a libel case on contingency?

To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep pocket"
somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.

Ron Wanttaja

[jls]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley"
>
> wrote:
>
> >Chuck,
> >
> >Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
> >television to take a libel case on contingency?
>
> To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep
pocket"
> somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

In addition to which, libel cases are worthless as the teats on a boar.
Plaintiff has the problem of showing he's been economically damaged. The
fuss turns out to be heart balm litigation, if it ever goes to court.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>
>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
>wrote:
>
>>Chuck,
>>
>>Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
>>television to take a libel case on contingency?
>
>To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep pocket"
>somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.

Ron's right the only way I could get an attorney to take a case like this is to
pay for it out of pocket.And even if I win a judgment I would have to try to
collect. zoom knows this and in this regard he has a certain amount of
protection in doing what he does. Some day when I have some spare $1000's to
spend I may sue just on principle.

In the meantime I will do what I can to expose him for what he is, a Phony and a
liar and I can prove that.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Steve Foley]

How about small claims?

Find 5 people willing to testify that they would have bought one of your
planes, but didn't because of what they read by Zoom. Your profit on one
plane is $1000, so the total damages in $5000.


"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ron Wanttaja
says...
> >
> >On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley"
>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Chuck,
> >>
> >>Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
> >>television to take a libel case on contingency?
> >
> >To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep
pocket"
> >somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.
>
> Ron's right the only way I could get an attorney to take a case like this
is to
> pay for it out of pocket.And even if I win a judgment I would have to try
to
> collect. zoom knows this and in this regard he has a certain amount of
> protection in doing what he does. Some day when I have some spare $1000's
to
> spend I may sue just on principle.
>
> In the meantime I will do what I can to expose him for what he is, a Phony
and a
> liar and I can prove that.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:01:40 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
wrote:

>How about small claims?
>
>Find 5 people willing to testify that they would have bought one of your
>planes, but didn't because of what they read by Zoom. Your profit on one
>plane is $1000, so the total damages in $5000.

Don't know if they accept libel suits in small claims court...it's not really
what they're designed for. See...

http://www.jud.state.ct.us/faq/smallclaims.html

....for instance.


Ron Wanttaja

[jls]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:01:40 GMT, "Steve Foley"
>
> wrote:
>
> >How about small claims?
> >
> >Find 5 people willing to testify that they would have bought one of your
> >planes, but didn't because of what they read by Zoom. Your profit on one
> >plane is $1000, so the total damages in $5000.
>
> Don't know if they accept libel suits in small claims court...it's not
really
> what they're designed for. See...
>
> http://www.jud.state.ct.us/faq/smallclaims.html
>
> ...for instance.
>
>
> Ron Wanttaja

He can still file an action without an attorney and maybe even in his own
state. I'll bet there's one even willing to help him with his paperwork,
pro bono publico, i. e., for the good of the public.

Didn't Campbell sue from Florida, vexing about 15 people scattered all over
the USA? Even some poor innocent guy in the State of Washington?

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>
>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chuck,
>>>
>>>Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
>>>television to take a libel case on contingency?
>>
>>To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep pocket"
>>somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.
>
>
> Ron's right the only way I could get an attorney to take a case like this is to
> pay for it out of pocket.And even if I win a judgment I would have to try to
> collect. zoom knows this and in this regard he has a certain amount of
> protection in doing what he does. Some day when I have some spare $1000's to
> spend I may sue just on principle.
>
> In the meantime I will do what I can to expose him for what he is, a Phony and a
> liar and I can prove that.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>

Y'know, Chuck, I'm willing to bet several of us would be willing to
chip in for a legal fund. See if you can get zoom deposed on videotape
if you can't get the trial taped. I don't know if it would be legal to
sell the tapes, but I'd buy a set:) It would be even more fun if yawn
was also on tape.

BTW, has anyone contacted the Florida chapter of Angel Flight to see
if he's really flying for them?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Steve Foley wrote:

> How about small claims?
>
> Find 5 people willing to testify that they would have bought one of your
> planes, but didn't because of what they read by Zoom. Your profit on one
> plane is $1000, so the total damages in $5000.
>
>

That's an idea. Take it to a TV show like Texas Justice or Judge Judy.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <wp%Te.10744$dm.4291@lakeread03>, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
says...
>
> BTW, has anyone contacted the Florida chapter of Angel Flight to see
>if he's really flying for them?

You know Dan I was thinking the same thing if someone knows the number let me
know ,I'll try to find it as well.

See ya

Chuck S

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article <wp%Te.10744$dm.4291@lakeread03>, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
> says...
>
>> BTW, has anyone contacted the Florida chapter of Angel Flight to see
>>if he's really flying for them?
>
>
> You know Dan I was thinking the same thing if someone knows the number let me
> know ,I'll try to find it as well.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S
>

The phone numbers Angel Flight gave me are 800-352-4256 or
352-326-0761. They also gave me an e-mail address that kicked my inquiry
back as undeliverable: .

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Roger]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:28:26 -0500, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
> wrote:

>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chuck,
>>>>
>>>>Can't you find one of those ambulance chasers that advertise on daytime
>>>>television to take a libel case on contingency?
>>>
>>>To interest any lawyer in a contingency case, there has to be a "deep pocket"
>>>somewhere for any judgement to be paid from. And there isn't any, here.
>>
>>
>> Ron's right the only way I could get an attorney to take a case like this is to
>> pay for it out of pocket.And even if I win a judgment I would have to try to
>> collect. zoom knows this and in this regard he has a certain amount of
>> protection in doing what he does. Some day when I have some spare $1000's to
>> spend I may sue just on principle.
>>
>> In the meantime I will do what I can to expose him for what he is, a Phony and a
>> liar and I can prove that.
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>
> Y'know, Chuck, I'm willing to bet several of us would be willing to
>chip in for a legal fund. See if you can get zoom deposed on videotape
>if you can't get the trial taped. I don't know if it would be legal to
>sell the tapes, but I'd buy a set:) It would be even more fun if yawn
>was also on tape.
>
> BTW, has anyone contacted the Florida chapter of Angel Flight to see
>if he's really flying for them?
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

If some one loses their medical for mental reasons, I thought it was
nigh onto impossible to get it back.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:34:29 -0400, Roger >
wrote:

>If some one loses their medical for mental reasons, I thought it was
>nigh onto impossible to get it back.

No, Zoom got his back after ~3 years. My understanding is that he just needed
one AME to approve re-issuance.

Ron Wanttaja

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Chuck;
>
> It would seem that zzzoom would be the last person wanting to get
> into a fact war.Jeez what facts could we post about him.

Been done already. Notice who's benefitted from that.

[Juan Jimenez]

"wmbjk" > wrote in message
...
>
> Apparently all the ANN headquarter's hallucinogenic water that Kevin
> was too smart to drink is now being shipped to Juan in PR. :-)

Notice Kevin still writes for ANN, even after Chuck tried to covince him
otherwise. Apparently, someone's conclusions aren't worth the neurons used
up to reach them. :)

[wmbjk]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:15:28 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>"wmbjk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Apparently all the ANN headquarter's hallucinogenic water that Kevin
>> was too smart to drink is now being shipped to Juan in PR. :-)
>
>Notice Kevin still writes for ANN, even after Chuck tried to covince him
>otherwise. Apparently, someone's conclusions aren't worth the neurons used
>up to reach them. :)

It's clear that Kevin heard both sides of the story, felt the need to
set the record straight, and wrote a definitive statement of his
position. He wrote - "I think he <zoom> has some severe issues with
how he perceives himself, the world, and the other people in it. His
reality isn't real reality all the time". He also wrote - "when he
<zoom> attacks someone who doesn't deserve it (CGS [Chuck Slusarczyk],
the Berkut folks, for a couple of examples) he hurts real people,
innocent people, in real ways. People still tell Chuck 'But I read in
USAviator...' and here Chuck is a guy who is practically an icon in
the ultralight world and honest as the day is long."
http://tinyurl.com/cw5lw

There isn't a shred of doubt - his opinion about Chuck is *entirely*
at odds with your own. I for damned sure know which one of you I
believe, and in fact AFAIK, you've failed to convince a single reader
of your position despite hundreds of attempts.

In another post http://tinyurl.com/8awz2 we find Kevin writing -
"questions some have prematurely raised about the
aircraft -- an aircraft that has flown tens of thousands of hours (at
least) by hundreds and hundreds of pilots (at least) over 20+ years --
can be laid to rest. They should not have been raised". I believe that
*you* are the person he's talking about, since you were the only one
raising questions here. Yet you're still at it despite his admonition.
Apparently you're too dense to take a hint, so I wish he'd make his
position clear about *your* grip on reality. I'm thinking that the
only reason he hasn't yet is because nobody takes you seriously
anyway.

Wayne

[BobR]

Wayne,

Very well put but like Zoom, Jaun remains in denial. His mind is
ALWAYS MADE UP and he refuses to let any fact confuse him.




wmbjk wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:15:28 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
> >"wmbjk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Apparently all the ANN headquarter's hallucinogenic water that Kevin
> >> was too smart to drink is now being shipped to Juan in PR. :-)
> >
> >Notice Kevin still writes for ANN, even after Chuck tried to covince him
> >otherwise. Apparently, someone's conclusions aren't worth the neurons used
> >up to reach them. :)
>
> It's clear that Kevin heard both sides of the story, felt the need to
> set the record straight, and wrote a definitive statement of his
> position. He wrote - "I think he <zoom> has some severe issues with
> how he perceives himself, the world, and the other people in it. His
> reality isn't real reality all the time". He also wrote - "when he
> <zoom> attacks someone who doesn't deserve it (CGS [Chuck Slusarczyk],
> the Berkut folks, for a couple of examples) he hurts real people,
> innocent people, in real ways. People still tell Chuck 'But I read in
> USAviator...' and here Chuck is a guy who is practically an icon in
> the ultralight world and honest as the day is long."
> http://tinyurl.com/cw5lw
>
> There isn't a shred of doubt - his opinion about Chuck is *entirely*
> at odds with your own. I for damned sure know which one of you I
> believe, and in fact AFAIK, you've failed to convince a single reader
> of your position despite hundreds of attempts.
>
> In another post http://tinyurl.com/8awz2 we find Kevin writing -
> "questions some have prematurely raised about the
> aircraft -- an aircraft that has flown tens of thousands of hours (at
> least) by hundreds and hundreds of pilots (at least) over 20+ years --
> can be laid to rest. They should not have been raised". I believe that
> *you* are the person he's talking about, since you were the only one
> raising questions here. Yet you're still at it despite his admonition.
> Apparently you're too dense to take a hint, so I wish he'd make his
> position clear about *your* grip on reality. I'm thinking that the
> only reason he hasn't yet is because nobody takes you seriously
> anyway.
>
> Wayne

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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> Steve Foley wrote:
>
> > How about small claims?
> >
> > Find 5 people willing to testify that they would have bought one of your
> > planes, but didn't because of what they read by Zoom. Your profit on one
> > plane is $1000, so the total damages in $5000.
> >
> >
>

Do any state small claims courts take libel or slander cases?
Do any assert jurisdiction over out-of-state defendants?

> That's an idea. Take it to a TV show like Texas Justice or Judge Judy.
>

That might work but I expect both parties have to agree to submit to
that jurisdiction, e.g. those are binding arbitration of some sort I
think.

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FF