Holy $#$ - eBay Copter

[Jimbob]

I hope no one has posted this yet...

Oh my god.

Look at ebay auction ID#4574014226

I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...

This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.


Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>Look at ebay auction ID#4574014226
>
>I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
>scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
>brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...

Scam? No, just a self deluded idiot. Note the description. He refers to
himself as "MTJ", then describes the sort of person who should fly it, but
then says "This chopper is not to be flown by anyone but MTJ", and then
admits that "This helicopter has never flown". In other words, it never
flew, it never will, and he doesn't know how even if it could.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb.
-- Steven M. Haflich

[Flyingmonk]

He gets A+ for creativity : ^). Dangerous yes, but I think it has a
better chance of 'flying' than the G1.

Here's the link:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26E215CB

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Anthony W]

Jimbob wrote:
> I hope no one has posted this yet...
>
> Oh my god.
>
> Look at ebay auction ID#4574014226
>
> I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
> scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
> brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...
>
> This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.
>
>
> Jim
>
> http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

It sure looks like a candidate for this year's Darwin awards. Even if
it gets off the ground, there isn't going to be hardly any cooling air
flowing over the engine and it'll seize in short order.

Tony

[Rich S.]

"Jimbob" > wrote in message
...
>I hope no one has posted this yet...
>
> Oh my god.
>
> Look at ebay auction ID#4574014226
>
> I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
> scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
> brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...
>
> This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.

Replace the two drive chain with heavy-duty Stihl® units and it would make
and excellent portable sawmill!

Rich "Dice & Slice" S.

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"Jimbob" > wrote in message
...
>I hope no one has posted this yet...
>
> Oh my god.
>
> Look at ebay auction ID#4574014226
>
> I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
> scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
> brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...
>
> This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.
>
>
> Jim
>
> http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org


I think MTJ is nuts.

--------------------------------------------
DW

[Flyingmonk]

After closer examination, I think it is too heavy for the horsepower
available, and as Anthony said below, no enough done to keep engine
cool.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[kontiki]

What is scarey is that is actually has one bid.

[Robert M. Gary]

Jimbob wrote:
> I hope no one has posted this yet...

I wonder if it would really fly. Looks like he used a steal frame, its
got to be heavy. He said he didn't create any plans. Just because it
"looks" like it could fly doesn't mean it will. My money says it just
shakes around a lot.

-Robert

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> He gets A+ for creativity : ^). Dangerous yes, but I think it has a
> better chance of 'flying' than the G1.
>
> Here's the link:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26E215CB
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>

Or yawn's BD-5J.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Flyingmonk]

Dan wrote:
>Flyingmonk wrote:
>> He gets A+ for creativity : ^). Dangerous yes, but I think it has a
>> better chance of 'flying' than the G1.

>> Here's the link:
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26E215CB

>> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

> Or yawn's BD-5J.

Oh I think Juanito's BD-5J will fly...
.... once. : -)

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Smitty Two]

In article >,
kontiki > wrote:

> What is scarey is that is actually has one bid.

The guy who bid on it recently won auctions for an aviation headset, and
a video of ultralights in flight. I guess he's going to sit in the thing
in his living room, put on the headset, watch the video, and pretend
he's flying.

[wmbjk]

On 10 Sep 2005 11:38:17 -0700, "Flyingmonk" >
wrote:

>He gets A+ for creativity : ^). Dangerous yes, but I think it has a
>better chance of 'flying' than the G1.
>
>Here's the link:
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26E215CB

Never has it been so easy to think of some positive comments. :-)

I guarantee he has the Surplus Center on speed dial.
Finally, a homebuilt that doesn't claim a 1000 mile range.
Perfect for Monster Garage to turn into a bass boat.

Not that anything could possibly go wrong, but the successful bidder
should invest in a good "flight" suit like this one
http://www.improb.com/news/2002/may/troy-new-suit.html

Wayne

[Flyingmonk]

The weight of the thing(looks very VERY heavy) and the suit that you
suggested will greatly contribute to pilot safety : -).

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

..

[Anthony W]

Flyingmonk wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>> Or yawn's BD-5J.
>
>
> Oh I think Juanito's BD-5J will fly...
> ... once. : -)
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

It'll fly off a catapult on an aircraft carrier, but according to my
father, so will an old Chevy...

Tony

[Jimbob]

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:03:33 GMT, wmbjk >
wrote:

>
>Not that anything could possibly go wrong, but the successful bidder
>should invest in a good "flight" suit like this one
>http://www.improb.com/news/2002/may/troy-new-suit.html
>
>Wayne


I keep thinking the POH should say something about decapitation.

Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

[Icebound]

"Smitty Two" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> kontiki > wrote:
>
>> What is scarey is that is actually has one bid.
>

He actually had 2, but one for 5000 was retracted due to "one too many
negatives".

[Rick Beebe]

>>I hope no one has posted this yet...
>
> I wonder if it would really fly. Looks like he used a steal frame, its
> got to be heavy. He said he didn't create any plans. Just because it
> "looks" like it could fly doesn't mean it will. My money says it just
> shakes around a lot.

Doesn't look like there's any control on the rotor blades other than
speed. So it might go up and down but it probably isn't controllable.

--Rick

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Rick: You are right. There is no collective control available to the
blades. This means autorotation is not feasible. Yaw control of the
coaxial ships is usually accomplished by differential torque on the blade
sets, which is normally accomplished by differentially changing the pitch on
one set vs the other. While I have flown several different experimental
homebuilt helicopters, I wouldn't want to be close to this thing with the
engine running and it tied down. I think that we have here another
potential Darwin Award candidate.

--
Kathy Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"Rick Beebe" > wrote in message
...
> >>I hope no one has posted this yet...
> >
> > I wonder if it would really fly. Looks like he used a steal frame, its
> > got to be heavy. He said he didn't create any plans. Just because it
> > "looks" like it could fly doesn't mean it will. My money says it just
> > shakes around a lot.
>
> Doesn't look like there's any control on the rotor blades other than
> speed. So it might go up and down but it probably isn't controllable.
>
> --Rick

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:47:46 GMT, kontiki >
wrote in >::

>What is scarey is that is actually has one bid.

The screen-door turnbuckles in the next to last photograph don't
inspire much confidence in the execution of the design either.

Like the builder says, it'd make a good static display for a
motorcycle shop.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Anthony W wrote:
> Flyingmonk wrote:
>
>>> Dan wrote:
>>> Or yawn's BD-5J.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh I think Juanito's BD-5J will fly...
>> ... once. : -)
>>
>> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
>
>
> It'll fly off a catapult on an aircraft carrier, but according to my
> father, so will an old Chevy...
>
> Tony

There are photographs of vehicles being catapulted from carriers. A
google search should find a few.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:

> Rick: You are right. There is no collective control available to the
> blades. This means autorotation is not feasible. Yaw control of the
> coaxial ships is usually accomplished by differential torque on the blade
> sets, which is normally accomplished by differentially changing the pitch on
> one set vs the other. While I have flown several different experimental
> homebuilt helicopters, I wouldn't want to be close to this thing with the
> engine running and it tied down. I think that we have here another
> potential Darwin Award candidate.
>

Ask yawn, I bet he will tell us zoom has already flight tested it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:edNUe.17308$dm.8583@lakeread03...
> Anthony W wrote:
> > Flyingmonk wrote:
> >
> >>> Dan wrote:
> >>> Or yawn's BD-5J.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh I think Juanito's BD-5J will fly...
> >> ... once. : -)
> >>
> >> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
> >
> >
> > It'll fly off a catapult on an aircraft carrier, but according to my
> > father, so will an old Chevy...
> >
> > Tony
>
> There are photographs of vehicles being catapulted from carriers. A
> google search should find a few.

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/contest1.jpg

[Ted Dawson]

> Rick: You are right. There is no collective control available to the
> blades. This means autorotation is not feasible. Yaw control of the
> coaxial ships is usually accomplished by differential torque on the blade
> sets, which is normally accomplished by differentially changing the pitch
> on
> one set vs the other. While I have flown several different experimental
> homebuilt helicopters, I wouldn't want to be close to this thing with the
> engine running and it tied down. I think that we have here another
> potential Darwin Award candidate.


There's no cyclic control, either. This thing will not fly successfully. Get
your camera ready; MTJ is gonna make the news.

[Montblack]

("Anthony W" wrote)
> It'll fly off a catapult on an aircraft carrier, but according to my
> father, so will an old Chevy...


If you lack a decent rudder on a 1964 Biscayne, I understand you can use the
doors in slow flight for some yaw control.

"64 Biscayne. Are you declaring an emergency at this time?"
"Yes."
"But you haven't [been] launched yet."
"Well thank goodness because we're having problems with our wipers."

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/835474
Chevrolet Biscayne ...in the hangar

>>> http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/contest1.jpg
Guessing ...old Ford Falcon? Something European?
I zoomed in on the JPEG but couldn't figure it out. Saturday night - bored.


Montblack

[Flyingmonk]

Paul,

I zoomed in and zoomed out several time, I swear I don't see a Biscayne
in the picture on the website. All I can is the beautiful woman in the
white come-n-get-me : -)

You sure it isn't one 'o them trick pictures? I stared and I
stared... No car. It was hypnotizing. : -)

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Anthony W]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Anthony W" wrote)
>
>> It'll fly off a catapult on an aircraft carrier, but according to my
>> father, so will an old Chevy...
>
>
>
> If you lack a decent rudder on a 1964 Biscayne, I understand you can use
> the doors in slow flight for some yaw control.
>
> "64 Biscayne. Are you declaring an emergency at this time?"
> "Yes."
> "But you haven't [been] launched yet."
> "Well thank goodness because we're having problems with our wipers."

Considering the one my father told about was done during WWII, it was
probably a 1930's Chevy but I'm sure the rest would apply... Maybe we
could get zoom to try it in an AMC Pacer...

Tony

[Montblack]

("Anthony W" wrote)
> Considering the one my father told about was done during WWII, it was
> probably a 1930's Chevy but I'm sure the rest would apply... Maybe we
> could get zoom to try it in an AMC Pacer...


Off the end of a flight deck ...well, they were called an aquarium on
wheels.

http://www.american-motors.de/pacgeng.html
Pacer history.

With a flat tire would that make it a ....Tri-Pacer???


Montblack

[[email protected]]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> After closer examination, I think it is too heavy for the horsepower
> available, and as Anthony said below, no enough done to keep engine
> cool.

I keep seeing that long drive chain flapping around like a wet noodle.

-cwk.

[Morgans]

"Jimbob" > wrote in message
...
> I hope no one has posted this yet...
>
> Oh my god.

My exact same feelings. WoW !!!

> I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
> scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
> brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...
>
> This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.

You think that is bad, I saw Moller's sky car advertised as being on one of
the science channel shows, again. they said it would do 560 MPH, or
something stupid like that. Why don't these doods investigate these things?
--
Jim in NC

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

The Moller Sky Car is perfectly capable of 560 mph if first it is boosted
into orbit and then allowed to re-enter.. Look for the caveats. Actually
when I think about the right way, so is my Safari helicopter.--

Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jimbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hope no one has posted this yet...
> >
> > Oh my god.
>
> My exact same feelings. WoW !!!
>
> > I would normally say something witty, but I am speechless. Is it a
> > scam? Perhaps an organic brain dysfunction? Or maybe this man is a
> > brave new form of life being weeded out my Darwin...
> >
> > This is so far beyond anything I have experienced.
>
> You think that is bad, I saw Moller's sky car advertised as being on one
of
> the science channel shows, again. they said it would do 560 MPH, or
> something stupid like that. Why don't these doods investigate these
things?
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:
>
> they said it would do 560 MPH, or something stupid like that.

Oh, it will, it will.

Straight down.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Morgans]

"George Patterson" > wrote

> Oh, it will, it will.
>
> Straight down.

Now, that's not fair! First it would have to get up high enough. Never
been above a couple feet, right?

I guess it _could_ drive off a cliff, right? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Morgans wrote:
> "George Patterson" > wrote
>
>
>>Oh, it will, it will.
>>
>>Straight down.
>
>
> Now, that's not fair! First it would have to get up high enough. Never
> been above a couple feet, right?
>
> I guess it _could_ drive off a cliff, right? <g>

No, Moller has never transitioned to or otherwise achieved level
flight. Besides EPA would fine whoever does it. It's got to be toxic
waste. I can't imagine how anything that small could consume that much
money and not be hazardous waste.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:
>
> I guess it _could_ drive off a cliff, right? <g>

That's wishful thinking.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[ower]

"George Patterson" > skrev i meddelandet
news:KqAVe.15515$626.8531@trndny08...
> Morgans wrote:
> >
> > I guess it _could_ drive off a cliff, right? <g>
>
> That's wishful thinking.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Not always there are Zooom & Jaun.

ower

[Greg Copeland]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:42:11 -0400, Morgans wrote:

>
> "George Patterson" > wrote
>
>> Oh, it will, it will.
>>
>> Straight down.
>
> Now, that's not fair! First it would have to get up high enough. Never
> been above a couple feet, right?
>
> I guess it _could_ drive off a cliff, right? <g>

It's been above a couple of feet, but never out of ground effect and
never without attachment to a cabled saftey system.

Greg

[Flyingmonk]

It has eight, count them eight Mazda rotary engines. It sucks fuel
like there's no tomorrow. It can't carry enough fuel onboard to go
anywhere. Great investor magnet, but not a viable transport. : -)

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone