what is a fender washer?

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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

[John Kunkel]

> wrote in message
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> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
normally found in some fenders and body panels.

[jls]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>

Common name for a washer larger than an ordinary washer for the same
diameter bolt. It is used for special purposes and to spread the bearing
load, as on a wood or composite bearing surface.

Thus we use "fender washers" or "970's" on a composite bulkhead where we
are fastening a hydraulic accumulator or on a wooden bulkhead so as not to
crush the fibers.

Of course a "fender" washer may not be legal for aircraft use. Always use a
cad-plated AN 970 washer purchased from a reliable source.

groups trimmed

[GeorgeB]

On 8 Jan 2005 10:20:43 -0800, wrote:

>what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

I'm sure there are some standards, but GENERALLY they are flat washers
that are larger than a normal flat washer.

One website lists things like small, regular, large, very large and
light and heavy ... various diameters, various thicknesses.
Generally, again, used when the material is soft and a larger earing
surface is needed.

[Rich S.]

X-No-Archive: Yes
> wrote in message
ups.com...
> what is a fender washer?

A washer which has a larger ouside diameter than a "standard" washer,
possession of which can lead to your arrest by agents of the BATF.

[N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)]

Dear alanh_27:

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.

David A. Smith

[carl mciver]

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox > wrote in
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| Dear alanh_27:
|
| > wrote in message
| ups.com...
| > what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
|
| Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
| They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
| sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.
|
| David A. Smith

Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you
torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on
top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so
far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the
front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the
axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it.
Lots of wrenching going on that day!

[[email protected]]

A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash.
He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.



carl mciver wrote:
> "N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox > wrote in
> message news:rZWDd.23751$CH5.11854@fed1read01...
> | Dear alanh_27:
> |
> | > wrote in message
> | ups.com...
> | > what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
> |
> | Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
> | They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
> | sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.
> |
> | David A. Smith
>
> Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you
> torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on
> top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so
> far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the
> front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the
> axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it.
> Lots of wrenching going on that day!
>

[Jeff Wisnia]

wrote:

> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>

OK, so what's the etemology?

Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

[Blueskies]

" jls" > wrote in message ...
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>>
>
>
> Of course a "fender" washer may not be legal for aircraft use. Always use a
> cad-plated AN 970 washer purchased from a reliable source.
>
> groups trimmed
>
>

A hardware store washer will be just fine as long as the purpose and use is understood. This is the homebuilt forum,
right? Nothing illegal about its use at all....

Now safety is an entirely different matter....

[Leo Van Der Loo]

STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo >
wrote:

>STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!

No it isn't, it's a homebuilding site! :-)

Ron "Death to crossposters" Wanttaja

[Leo Lichtman]

> wrote: A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car
wash. He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can buy at your neighborhood electric guitar store parts department.

[Blueskies]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message ...
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo >
> wrote:
>
>>STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!
>
> No it isn't, it's a homebuilding site! :-)
>
> Ron "Death to crossposters" Wanttaja

Just got your book for Christmas. Fun reading!

Dan "Gonna build an airplane with fender washers" DeVillers

[Leo Lichtman]

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."

[Leon Heller]

"John Kunkel" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>
> A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
> the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
> normally found in some fenders and body panels.

We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size
as an old penny.

Leon

[Jeff Wisnia]

Leo Lichtman wrote:
> "Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
> or fend off denting?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
> fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
> really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."
>
>
Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

[UltraJohn]

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

> Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> "Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
>> on, or fend off denting?
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
>> they
>> fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
>> really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."
>>
>>
> Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
> wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
> kiss.
>
> I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
> old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.
>
> Jeff
>
I can remember when Sunoco 260 cost .25 a gallon!
John

[Martin H. Eastburn]

Leon Heller wrote:

> "John Kunkel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>>>what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>>
>>A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
>>the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
>>normally found in some fenders and body panels.
>
>
> We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size
> as an old penny.
>
> Leon
>
>
That is what happened to all of those old Pennies!

Our 1/2" hole type are typically 2" or more.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

[J. Clarke]

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

> Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> "Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
>> on, or fend off denting?
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
>> they
>> fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
>> really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."
>>
>>
> Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
> wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
> kiss.

Actually, those "wussy things" will take a higher speed impact without
damage other than scratches than will the ones when cars HAD bumpers. The
reason for the "wussy things" is that the government wasn't satisfied with
the strength of the existing bumpers and required that they be made
stronger--to do that they had to be made with some "give" which meant using
flexible materials which meant scratches.

Personally I think it was a bad idea--the "wussy things" work fine up to
their design speed but above that they cost a _lot_ more to fix than the
old fashioned kind because the pieces that make them able to survive
impacts at the required speed get broken and have to be replaced.

> I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
> old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.
>
> Jeff
>

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

[Gunner]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
> wrote:

>> It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
>> fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
>> really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."
>>
>>
>Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
>wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
>kiss.
>
>I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
>old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.
>
>Jeff

I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a
curb and its $800 in repairs

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Gunner]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo
> wrote:

>
>
>STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!


Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides
this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it
precison.

Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal
work.
We only dig up mountains for our materials!

So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[jls]

"Blueskies" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> " jls" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Of course a "fender" washer may not be legal for aircraft use. Always
use a
> > cad-plated AN 970 washer purchased from a reliable source.
> >
> > groups trimmed
> >
> >
>
> A hardware store washer will be just fine as long as the purpose and use
is understood. This is the homebuilt forum,
> right? Nothing illegal about its use at all....

You're right, Mr. Blueskies. I stand corrected. Cad plating on a washer
is unnecessary but it sure helps on the bolt and nut.
>
> Now safety is an entirely different matter....
>
>

[Blueskies]

" jls" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Blueskies" > wrote in message
> . com...
>>
>> " jls" > wrote in message
>>>
>> A hardware store washer will be just fine as long as the purpose and use
> is understood. This is the homebuilt forum,
>> right? Nothing illegal about its use at all....
>
> You're right, Mr. Blueskies. I stand corrected. Cad plating on a washer
> is unnecessary but it sure helps on the bolt and nut.
>>
>> Now safety is an entirely different matter....
>>
>>
>
>

Most if not all washers I see in the hardware stores are plated, if not Cad then nickel. I don't recall seeing any plain
ones lately...

[Denis Marier]

Just for the fun of it ;-) When on a boat in the USA or Canada the word
bumper is used to identify a protective rubber rail or similar device
permanently mounted on the freeboards of a boat to absorb small impacts.
Fenders are not permanently mounted and are attached with ropes to the deck
rail when needed as an additional protection when docking, rafting or other
situations that can cause damages. When you see a tug boat with numerous
black tires attached with rope on its freeboards they are used as fenders.
FWIW.

"Gunner" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
> > wrote:
>
> >> It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
> >> fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain,
fenders
> >> really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."
> >>
> >>
> >Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
> >wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
> >kiss.
> >
> >I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
> >old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.
> >
> >Jeff
>
> I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a
> curb and its $800 in repairs
>
> Gunner
>
> "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any
better,
> on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
> True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
> but why this is more stylish than
> sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
> -- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

[Rich S.]

"Blueskies" > wrote in message
m...
>
> Most if not all washers I see in the hardware stores are plated, if not
> Cad then nickel. I don't recall seeing any plain ones lately...

Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)

Rich

[larry g]

A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a
large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some
adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the
fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw into
the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin
to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is
curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay. The
bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If
your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers.
lg
no neat sig line
> wrote in message
ups.com...
> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>

[Jim Carriere]

Blueskies wrote:
> " jls" > wrote in message ...
>
>>"Blueskies" > wrote in message
. com...
>>
>>>" jls" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>A hardware store washer will be just fine as long as the purpose and use
>>
>>is understood. This is the homebuilt forum,
>>
>>>right? Nothing illegal about its use at all....
>>
>>You're right, Mr. Blueskies. I stand corrected. Cad plating on a washer
>>is unnecessary but it sure helps on the bolt and nut.
>>
>>>Now safety is an entirely different matter....
>>>
>
> Most if not all washers I see in the hardware stores are plated, if not Cad then nickel. I don't recall seeing any plain
> ones lately...

I thought the cheap hardware store hardware (nuts/bolts/washers
anyway) was zinc plated. Sometimes the really cheap stuff flakes off...

If you've found nickel plating, that's a pretty good thing. Maybe I
gotta look closer next time I'm at the store.

[Harold & Susan Vordos]

"Gunner" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!
>
>
> Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides
> this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it
> precison.
>
> Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal
> work.
> We only dig up mountains for our materials!
>
> So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!
>
> Gunner


Chuckle! That sucker has no idea who he's messing with, does he? Give him
hell, Gunner.

Harold

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:09:44 GMT, "Blueskies"
> wrote:

>
>" jls" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> "Blueskies" > wrote in message
>> . com...
>>>
>>> " jls" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>> A hardware store washer will be just fine as long as the purpose and use
>> is understood. This is the homebuilt forum,
>>> right? Nothing illegal about its use at all....
>>
>> You're right, Mr. Blueskies. I stand corrected. Cad plating on a washer
>> is unnecessary but it sure helps on the bolt and nut.
>>>
>>> Now safety is an entirely different matter....
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Most if not all washers I see in the hardware stores are plated, if not Cad then nickel. I don't recall seeing any plain
>ones lately...
>
The VAST majority are bright zinc plated.

[Leonard & Peggy Brown]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
>

By few of us a fender washer is used to keep brass pipe against a mandrel
while drawing the pipe to a larger diameter.

LB

[william_b_noble]

add to below "fender welting" - mostly not used now, but my older cars all
have it to go between fender and body - reduces squeak, keeps water out of
the joint - wethers and disintegrates so you have an excuse to remove the
fenders and do it over again.


"larry g" > wrote in message
...
> A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a
> large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some
> adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the
> fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw
into
> the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin
> to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is
> curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay.
The
> bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If
> your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers.
> lg
> no neat sig line
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
> >
>
>

[wmbjk]

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:02:19 -0800, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>Gunner, could we talk you into hanging out in rec.aviation.homebuilt
>some? You got style.

Argghhh! Please please please, if you want more Gunnervision, have him
copy his junk to your mailbox. Because if he starts polluting RAH with
his political bull****, I'm gonna' make sure that everybody knows who
invited him. :-)

Wayne

[VideoFlyer]

>Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>

That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I have
seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.

I went into Menards a few weeks ago looking for a 3 inch V-belt pulley for an
air compressor. The person who waited on me had no idea what a pulley was.
He started showing me ratchet cable "pullers"....like a "come-along." Last
month I went into the same store and asked if they carried tap and die sets.
Again...the person who waited on me didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
about.

I miss the days when I could take an obscure looking part into the store, and
the clerk (usually the owner) knew exactly what it was and how it was used.
There just aren't any stores like that around anymore.

I must sound like an old f*rt reminiscing about the good old days. I am a
YOUNG 47 year old male.

Dave

[Rich S.]

"VideoFlyer" > wrote in message
...
> >Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>>
>
> That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I
> have
> seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.

The only ones around the Northwest are McLendon's chain of stores
http://www.mclendons.com/. They *train* their staff!

Rich S.

[Blueskies]

"VideoFlyer" > wrote in message ...
> >Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>>
>
> That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I have
> seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.
>
> I went into Menards a few weeks ago looking for a 3 inch V-belt pulley for an
> air compressor. The person who waited on me had no idea what a pulley was.
> He started showing me ratchet cable "pullers"....like a "come-along." Last
> month I went into the same store and asked if they carried tap and die sets.
> Again...the person who waited on me didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
> about.
>
> I miss the days when I could take an obscure looking part into the store, and
> the clerk (usually the owner) knew exactly what it was and how it was used.
> There just aren't any stores like that around anymore.
>
> I must sound like an old f*rt reminiscing about the good old days. I am a
> YOUNG 47 year old male.
>
> Dave

We have a really good Ace Hardware store here. I know they are struggling with Menards, The Home Depot, and Lowes within
4 miles. I use them every chance I get...

[Blueskies]

> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:09:44 GMT, "Blueskies"

>>
> The VAST majority are bright zinc plated.

You guys are probably right - zinc is it; same as galvanized, right?

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:58:49 -0800, "Rich S." >
wrote:

>"VideoFlyer" > wrote in message
...
>> >Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>>>
>>
>> That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I
>> have
>> seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.
>
>The only ones around the Northwest are McLendon's chain of stores
>http://www.mclendons.com/. They *train* their staff!

I'll second that; they actually carry repair parts...not just replacement
assemblies.

I've had pretty good luck at Coast-To-Coast, too, though I think they're getting
hammered by the big box stores.

Ron Wanttaja

[John Ammeter]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:08:45 GMT, "Blueskies"
> wrote:

>
>"VideoFlyer" > wrote in message ...
>> >Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>>>
>>
>> That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I have
>> seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.
>>
>> I went into Menards a few weeks ago looking for a 3 inch V-belt pulley for an
>> air compressor. The person who waited on me had no idea what a pulley was.
>> He started showing me ratchet cable "pullers"....like a "come-along." Last
>> month I went into the same store and asked if they carried tap and die sets.
>> Again...the person who waited on me didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
>> about.
>>
>> I miss the days when I could take an obscure looking part into the store, and
>> the clerk (usually the owner) knew exactly what it was and how it was used.
>> There just aren't any stores like that around anymore.
>>
>> I must sound like an old f*rt reminiscing about the good old days. I am a
>> YOUNG 47 year old male.
>>
>> Dave
>
>We have a really good Ace Hardware store here. I know they are struggling with Menards, The Home Depot, and Lowes within
>4 miles. I use them every chance I get...
>

I've been shopping at the same Ace Hardware for well over 25
years. They know me by name and the owner has invited me to
his Christmas Party.... Of course, with what I've spent
there over the years, I probably have sent his kids to
college twice over...

John

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...

>I've been shopping at the same Ace Hardware for well over 25
>years. They know me by name and the owner has invited me to
>his Christmas Party.... Of course, with what I've spent
>there over the years, I probably have sent his kids to
>college twice over...

John
I've been waiting and waiting for some one to say what a "fender washer " is and
no one yet has given the right answer! I can't wait anymore...A "fender washer"
is the guy at the car wash that washes fenders,just like the tire washer ,door
washer ,window washer etc...They are specialists at the better car washes.
Besides this group is getting way to serious LOL!!!

See ya

Chuck (former fender washer) S

[Jim Carriere]

Blueskies wrote:

> > wrote in message ...
>
>>On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:09:44 GMT, "Blueskies"
>
>
>>The VAST majority are bright zinc plated.
>
>
> You guys are probably right - zinc is it; same as galvanized, right?

Yep, galvanized means zinc coated (by electroplating). A lot of car
body parts are nowadays too, they figured out how to make paint stick
to the zinc coating, look nice, and cost low enough to still turn a
profit.

[Jim Carriere]

Blueskies wrote:
> "VideoFlyer" > wrote in message ...
>
>>>Lowes and Home Dee-pot are *not* hardware stores. . . ;-)
>>>
>>
>>That's true.....but they're the closest thing to a hardware store that I have
>>seen for many years. Where did all the GOOD hardware stores go.
>>
>>I went into Menards a few weeks ago looking for a 3 inch V-belt pulley for an
>>air compressor. The person who waited on me had no idea what a pulley was.
>>He started showing me ratchet cable "pullers"....like a "come-along." Last
>>month I went into the same store and asked if they carried tap and die sets.
>>Again...the person who waited on me didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
>>about.
<<snip>>
>>I must sound like an old f*rt reminiscing about the good old days. I am a
>>YOUNG 47 year old male.
>
> We have a really good Ace Hardware store here. I know they are struggling with Menards, The Home Depot, and Lowes within
> 4 miles. I use them every chance I get...

Ace is pretty good, for example they carry number and letter size
drill bits. I've never found that at Home Depot or Lowes, just the
fraction sizes from about 1/16 to 1".

The help you get from staff depends. At a Lowe's once I got good
help from an older guy, who seemed to have actually made stuff with
his hands and knew what I was talking about for moderately obscure
tools (hand chuck).

Not knowing what a tap and die set is? That's pretty bad, hopefully
you caught one dumb guy on a bad day with that one.

While we're ranting, I went to school for mechanical engineering. A
lot of the people seemed to be in it because their high school
guidance counselors told them they were good at math and science.
Smart people, just a different kind of smart. I got into it because
I thought it was neat the way stuff worked, but I had that in common
with less than half of the guys. I don't work in that field now
though, so it's just a pet theory of mine. Maybe Ron W. could weigh
in on this one? :)

[PS I'm a young 30, right now is the good old days]

[Blueskies]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message ...
> In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
>>I've been shopping at the same Ace Hardware for well over 25
>>years. They know me by name and the owner has invited me to
>>his Christmas Party.... Of course, with what I've spent
>>there over the years, I probably have sent his kids to
>>college twice over...
>
> John
> I've been waiting and waiting for some one to say what a "fender washer " is and
> no one yet has given the right answer! I can't wait anymore...A "fender washer"
> is the guy at the car wash that washes fenders,just like the tire washer ,door
> washer ,window washer etc...They are specialists at the better car washes.
> Besides this group is getting way to serious LOL!!!
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (former fender washer) S
>

I guess you missed it...


A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash.
He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.



carl mciver wrote:
> "N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox > wrote in
> message news:rZWDd.23751$CH5.11854@fed1read01...
> | Dear alanh_27:
> |
> | > wrote in message
> | ups.com...
> | > what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
> |
> | Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
> | They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
> | sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.
> |
> | David A. Smith
>
> Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you
> torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on
> top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so
> far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the
> front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the
> axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it.
> Lots of wrenching going on that day!
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:54:31 -0600, Jim Carriere >
wrote:

>While we're ranting, I went to school for mechanical engineering. A
> lot of the people seemed to be in it because their high school
>guidance counselors told them they were good at math and science.
>Smart people, just a different kind of smart. I got into it because
>I thought it was neat the way stuff worked, but I had that in common
>with less than half of the guys. I don't work in that field now
>though, so it's just a pet theory of mine. Maybe Ron W. could weigh
>in on this one? :)

I got into engineering because I wanted to design stuff that would actually *do*
things. Flash lights, make weird sounds, etc. I used to disassemble transistor
radios and make strange little oscillators from the parts...one transistor, the
output transformer, one resistor (preferably variable), and the speaker. Used
to experiment for hours, finding out what a capacitor would do here, rigging up
a light-dependent resistor for the pitch control, etc. Knew a guy in school who
absolutely hated high-pitched sounds, so a built a fixed-frequency oscillator
into a small candy box and arranged to hang around him for a while.

Funny, how things turn out. I got my EE degree specializing in high-tension
power lines, but was an ROTC type and went into the Air Force. Which completely
ignored my educational background and assigned me as a sensor specialist for an
early warning satellite. Post-Air Force, I worked as a test engineer for a bit
then ended up as a Systems Engineer. Other than a two-year stint managing a set
of RF design engineers at a dot-com, I've never even come close to using my
degree....

Ron Wanttaja

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Blueskies says...
>I guess you missed it...
>
>
>A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash.
>He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.

Guess I did,at least the group hasn't lost all it's humor :-)

Chuck S
you can lead a horse to water ...but a pencil must be pointed .

[Jim Carriere]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> I got into engineering because I wanted to design stuff that would actually *do*
<...>
> Funny, how things turn out. I got my EE degree specializing in high-tension
> power lines, but was an ROTC type and went into the Air Force. Which completely
> ignored my educational background and assigned me as a sensor specialist for an
> early warning satellite. Post-Air Force, I worked as a test engineer for a bit
> then ended up as a Systems Engineer. Other than a two-year stint managing a set
> of RF design engineers at a dot-com, I've never even come close to using my
> degree....

Oh... for some reason I figured you currently worked in the field,
that's why I said maybe you could offer some insight about hands on
vs book smart people in technical fields.

Funny how things turn out, as you say.

[RST Engineering]

And you can lead a horticulture
but you cannot make her think.

Jim



> Chuck S
> you can lead a horse to water ...but a pencil must be pointed .
>