VFR Sectional Mural

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Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
find it?

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:01:50 -0700, wrote
in >::

>Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
>taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
>can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
>find it?

Kyler Laird has a web site that contains hi-res scans of sectional
charts and the software to stitch them together. You can do a Google
Groups search, or perhaps he'll respond to this message thread.

[N93332]

> wrote in message
...
> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
> find it?

Search for the JNCA-5 chart. It doesn't take up the whole wall but is good
size.
http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/information/products/JNCA5_Planning_Chart.html

[sfb]

Painted or multiple images glued together? Some of these new flat bed
printers can put out some great stuff.

It is a shame that everybody at the airport died and none of the new
folks have any idea where or the mural came to be.

> wrote in message
...
> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online,
> but
> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
> find it?

[Matt Barrow]

"sfb" > wrote in message news:m9eYe.28$EH.5@trnddc01...
> Painted or multiple images glued together? Some of these new flat bed
> printers can put out some great stuff.
>
> It is a shame that everybody at the airport died and none of the new folks
> have any idea where or the mural came to be.

Yeah, but it's so old certain areas says "Here dwell dragons".


>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
>> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
>> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
>> find it?
>
>
>

[John T]

Just individual sections of charts. Our airport has IFR sectionals to
make up such a map. They just trim the white parts off, then start
pasting. You'll notice that not everything matches up, due to trying to
map the curve of the earth on a flat sheet of paper.

I'm trying to do something similiar with VFR sectionals on one my living
room walls, more or less centered on the area I fly. Covers a good
section of the upper midwest.

Note that if the wall map you see really is of VFR sectionals, your FBO
must have some really tall walls. Mine starts with the northern Green
Bay sectional and ends with the southern chicago sectional, about 4
charts high. I have room for most of the northern parts of the Kansas,
St Louis, and Cincinnati sectionals at the bottom (anyone have any
unmarked expired sectionals of these they can part with?).
From the eastern end, I have the detriot and lake huron sectionals, and
the westernmost end has the twin cities northern chart, and below that
is a doorway, with parts of the TC and omaha charts going up to the
doorway.

I can only imagine what a full US map made of VFR sections would look
like, just HUGE!

John

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John T > wrote:

> Just individual sections of charts. Our airport has IFR sectionals to
> make up such a map. They just trim the white parts off, then start
> pasting. You'll notice that not everything matches up, due to trying to
> map the curve of the earth on a flat sheet of paper.
>
> I'm trying to do something similiar with VFR sectionals on one my living
> room walls, more or less centered on the area I fly. Covers a good
> section of the upper midwest.

Yeah, I've done one on my wall that is JUST Arizona, and I love it. But
this one at the airport is the whole U.S., and they aren't full-size
sectionals or, as you said, it would never fit. I see you can buy a
"full set" of sectionals, 38 of them, for $200+ dollars, but again, they
would have to be reduced to fit all on one wall. We tried making one of
our area and some of CA and the surrounding area with one of those chart
*books*, but the pieces are only about 12 x 14, and the further out you
get, the less they match up. Just thought maybe there was a full U.S.
sectional mural available for purchase. Kind of surprised there isn't
.... would seem it would sell.

Thanks to all for responding. I'm going to keep digging for a little
while anyway.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm

This might work. They have 3 chart sets that cover the entire US

VFR/IFR Planning charts
large JNC-A charts
larger JNC charts
largest
east on one side/ west on the other
40" x 36" each side
(full USA - 72" x 40")
scale - 1:3.4 million

airports, cities, VOR airways
special use airspace
mileage
no terrain features
$4.75 full USA - one chart
42" x 58"
scale - 1:3 million

multi color terrain
airports, elevations
cities, lakes, rivers
some roads
special use airspace
$5.75 full USA - on 3 charts
57" x 40" each chart
(full USA - 57" x 120")
scale - 1:2 million

multi color terrain
airports, elevations
cities, waterways, roads
special use airspace
$5.75




> wrote in message
...
> John T > wrote:
>
>> Just individual sections of charts. Our airport has IFR sectionals to
>> make up such a map. They just trim the white parts off, then start
>> pasting. You'll notice that not everything matches up, due to trying to
>> map the curve of the earth on a flat sheet of paper.
>>
>> I'm trying to do something similiar with VFR sectionals on one my living
>> room walls, more or less centered on the area I fly. Covers a good
>> section of the upper midwest.
>
> Yeah, I've done one on my wall that is JUST Arizona, and I love it. But
> this one at the airport is the whole U.S., and they aren't full-size
> sectionals or, as you said, it would never fit. I see you can buy a
> "full set" of sectionals, 38 of them, for $200+ dollars, but again, they
> would have to be reduced to fit all on one wall. We tried making one of
> our area and some of CA and the surrounding area with one of those chart
> *books*, but the pieces are only about 12 x 14, and the further out you
> get, the less they match up. Just thought maybe there was a full U.S.
> sectional mural available for purchase. Kind of surprised there isn't
> ... would seem it would sell.
>
> Thanks to all for responding. I'm going to keep digging for a little
> while anyway.

[Bob Moore]

wrote
> Thanks to all for responding. I'm going to keep digging for a little
> while anyway.

I'll bet that they are World Aeronautical Charts (WACs). I've done
whole wall WAC paste-ups before.

Bob Moore

[George Patterson]

wrote:
> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
> find it?

http://www.airsharesmgmt.com/what.htm

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

wrote:
>
> But
> this one at the airport is the whole U.S., and they aren't full-size
> sectionals or, as you said, it would never fit.

Then it may be made of of WACs instead of sectionals. A full set for the
continental U.S. costs about $88.

http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/chart/FAA_World_Aeronautical_Charts.asp

Next time you see this mural, look for Unicom frequencies. WACs don't have those.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[John T]

(wacking self on forehead) THATS what I was thinking of when I described
how my local FBO did theirs...WAC charts, not "IFR charts". right
thinking, wrong term. :)

John

[Ron Natalie]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> http://www.pilotsbooks.com/wallcharts.htm
>
> This might work. They have 3 chart sets that cover the entire US
>
> VFR/IFR Planning charts
> large JNC-A charts
> larger JNC charts
> largest
> east on one side/ west on the other
> 40" x 36" each side
> (full USA - 72" x 40")
> scale - 1:3.4 million

I have these...buy them while they can... I think NGA is going to stop
making these available in paper form.

The best chart was the old IFR/VFR wall charts that NOAA used to make,
but they stopped producing them some time ago. These were neat because
they came in two sections so you could hang up either the entire country
IFR, the entire country VFR, or IFR and VFR together for half the country.

There was a guy at Oshkosh who mosaics sectionals together and prints
them on large format (HP) printers. I could do this at work (I have
the printer and the software to do this is what I do for a living).

[John A. Landry]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:31:46 GMT, in rec.aviation.piloting, sfb said:

>It is a shame that everybody at the airport died...

Yeah... I just hate it when that happens... especially all the skeletons
laying around the pilot lounge. :)

John L.

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George Patterson > wrote:

> http://www.airsharesmgmt.com/what.htm

Thanks, George. Cool site. I hadn't seen that one.

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Thanks again to all who responded with tips and info. Much appreciated!

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:47:55 -0700, wrote
in >::

>Thanks again to all who responded with tips and info. Much appreciated!

Here's a thread that discusses the subject I believe:
http://tinyurl.com/88r74

[Kyler Laird]

Larry Dighera > writes:

>Kyler Laird has a web site that contains hi-res scans of sectional
>charts and the software to stitch them together. You can do a Google
>Groups search, or perhaps he'll respond to this message thread.

Here's what I've got.
https://aviationtoolbox.org/Members/kyler/tools/map_explorer
For printing...well, you'd want to do some "special stuff".

Note that my DVD sectionals subscription lapsed. I'm working with
another subscriber to share data.

--kyler

[Matt Barrow]

"John A. Landry" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:31:46 GMT, in rec.aviation.piloting, sfb said:
>
>>It is a shame that everybody at the airport died...
>
> Yeah... I just hate it when that happens... especially all the skeletons
> laying around the pilot lounge. :)
>
No fun, just a bunch of stiffs.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
...
>
> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
> find it?
>

That's quite a mural. Just the 48 contiguous states would make it about 19
feet high and 28 feet wide.

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"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:
> That's quite a mural. Just the 48 contiguous states would make it about 19
> feet high and 28 feet wide.

:-) The wall is probably 10' high and 15' long. It's not full-size
sectionals, I know. Just wondered if you could purchase it as a mural or
if someone painstakingly put it together ... it's actually glued to the
wall like wallpaper, if you used charts, would seem the backside would
come through.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
...
>
> :-) The wall is probably 10' high and 15' long. It's not full-size
> sectionals, I know.
>

Yeah, I was pretty sure it wasn't made from sectionals, but Sectional
Aeronautical Charts come in only one size, 1:500,000. Your dimensions
indicate the mural is made from World Aeronautical Charts, which are
1:1,000,000 scale.


>
> Just wondered if you could purchase it as a mural or
> if someone painstakingly put it together ... it's actually glued to the
> wall like wallpaper, if you used charts, would seem the backside would
> come through.
>

Sectionals are also available with the backside blank. They come in a
rolled tube, the north and south halves of the common folded sectional are
printed on the same side one above the other. You might consider using a
few of those to make a detailed regional mural along with a JNCA-5 Planning
Chart that shows the 48 contiguous states. The planning chart is
1:3,000,000 scale, about 3 1/2 by 6 feet.

[N93332]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Sectionals are also available with the backside blank. They come in a
> rolled tube, the north and south halves of the common folded sectional are
> printed on the same side one above the other.

Where are these available?

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> Our airport terminal has a VFR Sectional Mural of the United States,
> taking up one entire wall of the pilot lounge. I've searched online, but
> can't find such a product. Does anyone know if it exists or where to
> find it?

Dont know about that but they have such a mural at Midlleton, Wi (c29)
which I think was done with actual sectionals.

Its only about 6 months old and looks teriffic.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"N93332" > wrote in message
...
>
> Where are these available?
>

I may have given you false hope, they may not be available to the general
public. FAA Order 1720.23C, dated 9/26/1984, describes the charts and how
FAA users can obtain them. To my knowledge that's the most recent version
of the order. I'll post some portions of it below, the charts I'm referring
to are described as "translucent" in the order.



Sectional Charts (SEC) provide topographic and aeronautical information for
VFR navigation by slow-to-medium-speed aircraft. Flat charts are available.
Also, a special printing on one side of translucent, untrimmed paper is
available at the time a sectional chart is printed. No shelf stock of the
translucent charts is maintained. Scale 1:500,000 (1 inch = 6.86 nmi).


g. If flat (nonfolded) copies of individual charts are wanted, type or print
"FLAT" directly on the form adjacent to the appropriate product/s.


h. If translucent copies of Sectional Charts are wanted, type or print
"TRANSLUCENT" directly on the form adjacent to the appropriate product.


National Ocean Service (NOS)
Distribution Branch (N/CG33)
Riverdale, Maryland 20737

Telephone: 301-436-6993

[Ron Natalie]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

>
>
> National Ocean Service (NOS)
> Distribution Branch (N/CG33)
> Riverdale, Maryland 20737

That's not a timely piece of information.

NOS discontinued many of the more interesting charts and rendition
of charts about ten years ago. I found that out when I went to
get my wall charts replaced after the @*&$% painters damaged the
one that was hanging on my office wall.

I now have the JNC 43, 44, and 45 mosaiced together on my office wall.
Of course, the NGA is going to stop printing these charts as well
supposedly to fight terrorism. Obviously terrorists can't use a
computer or get by with older charts.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
>
> That's not a timely piece of information.
>

I believe I said that.


>
> NOS discontinued many of the more interesting charts and rendition
> of charts about ten years ago.

But not the cart we're discussing.