Troll of the year award

[Skylune]

As 2005, a very eventful year for GA, nears an end, I'd like to ask all the
pilots here to consider having a Troll of the Year award.

Judging criteria might include the troll's:
- persistance
- ability to annoy large groups of GA pilots on a variety of topics
- understanding of the problems that GA is experiencing, and using them
to advantage
- lack of personal attacks
- being impervious to threats made by certain pilots
- sense of humour
- etc.

I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.

[JohnH]

> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.

Kind of like winning first place at the special olympics.

[Chris]

"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>
>> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.
>
> Kind of like winning first place at the special olympics.

As weird as winning the SuperBowl and claiming to be world champions.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Chris" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.
>>
>> Kind of like winning first place at the special olympics.
>
> As weird as winning the SuperBowl and claiming to be world champions.
>

Do you think there is another US rules football team that could beat the
Superbowl winner any given year. If the worst team in the NFL were matched
against the best team any other league or nation could field I'd lay my
money on the NFL team.

The same goes for the NBA and Major League Baseball.

[[email protected]]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
> The same goes for the NBA

Judging from the past couple of Olympics I'm not sure a really good
European team couldn't beat our hothouse orchids.

> and Major League Baseball.

Cuba, though in baseball terms that's pretty much the United States ;)

-cwk.

[[email protected]]

Skylune wrote:
>
> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.

No, no no. A troll would be posting about abortion or the Jews or the
war in Iraq. You're just a crank with an axe to grind.

-cwk.

[Dave Stadt]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> >
> > The same goes for the NBA
>
> Judging from the past couple of Olympics I'm not sure a really good
> European team couldn't beat our hothouse orchids.
>
> > and Major League Baseball.
>
> Cuba, though in baseball terms that's pretty much the United States ;)

And Japan.

> -cwk.
>

[Skylune]

Nah. I compete in real sports, and don't need to get my adrenaline kicks
by flying little planes in search of $150 hamburgers while wondering why
I'm so obese......

[JohnH]

Skylune wrote:
> Nah. I compete in real sports, and don't need to get my adrenaline
> kicks by flying little planes in search of $150 hamburgers while
> wondering why I'm so obese......

Run, Forrest, run!

[Gig 601XL Builder]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>
>> The same goes for the NBA
>
> Judging from the past couple of Olympics I'm not sure a really good
> European team couldn't beat our hothouse orchids.

Look back at the year we sent our really GOOD NBA players. And that was
basicly a pick-up team. Take one of the teams any any of the big three
sports that has been playing an practicing together all year and many the
foreign ass will be waxed.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
news:j1h_e.87530$7f5.74212@okepread01...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>>
>>> The same goes for the NBA
>>
>> Judging from the past couple of Olympics I'm not sure a really good
>> European team couldn't beat our hothouse orchids.
>
> Look back at the year we sent our really GOOD NBA players. And that was
> basicly a pick-up team. Take one of the teams any any of the big three
> sports that has been playing an practicing together all year and many the
> foreign ass will be waxed.
>
>

And before anyone says anything it isn't because the US is better. We just
put a lot of money into the programs.

[Skylune]

Cute.

For some reason i seem to recall many pilots moaning about all the little
carts driving porky pilots around Oshkosh this summer. Maybe there s/b an
award for that too!

[Steve Foley]

I got the "can't get the buttons on my button fly jeans buttoned blues"


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Cute.
>
> For some reason i seem to recall many pilots moaning about all the little
> carts driving porky pilots around Oshkosh this summer. Maybe there s/b an
> award for that too!
>

[Skylune]

But some of the Euro-trash squads receive government subsidies!

[JohnH]

>
> And before anyone says anything it isn't because the US is better. We
> just put a lot of money into the programs.

Which is not exactly something to be proud of IMHO.

[Ice blonde]

>Nah. I compete in real sports, and don't need to get my adrenaline kicks
>by flying little planes in search of $150 hamburgers while wondering why
>I'm so obese......

Blimey, your a charmer aren't you, what sports would they be?

[Skylune]

I take it i have your vote??!

( A little time on the treadmill instead of the yoke might help a little.)

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
>
>As 2005, a very eventful year for GA, nears an end, I'd like to ask all the
> pilots here to consider having a Troll of the Year award.
>
> Judging criteria might include the troll's:
> - persistance
> - ability to annoy large groups of GA pilots on a variety of topics
> - understanding of the problems that GA is experiencing, and using them
> to advantage
> - lack of personal attacks
> - being impervious to threats made by certain pilots
> - sense of humour
> - etc.
>
> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.
>

You're disqualified by the third criterion.

[Skylune]

Hi Ice. I noticed the wonderful reception you got here when you talked
about starting training. Best of luck!! But, decide first if you really
have the time to devote -- flying just isn't for amateurs -- and what u
wanna do with your ticket. If its just to fly around looking for spots to
eat and refuel, I think its weird, but to each her own! Just please don't
wake up the whole damned neighborhood while your getting your kicks.

My sports: amateur mogul skiing comps, some NASTAR, tennis, mountain
biking. (I wonder why anyone who has had the experience of carving a
perfect turn, or cutting the line thru the bumps right down the fall line,
wouldn't immediately decide that nothing else in the world could possibly
top this, especially something passive that requires use of an engine.
Ski areas bring enormous economnic benefits to areas in which they are
located. I believe my season passes s/b govt. subsidized. ;-) )

[Skylune]

OK then. how 'bout the guy who posted the concert schedule at the former
Megis Field? I think he is a contender.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
> >
>> And before anyone says anything it isn't because the US is better. We
>> just put a lot of money into the programs.
>
> Which is not exactly something to be proud of IMHO.
>

Let me rephrase "We put a lot of money into them because they make a lot of
money"

Which isn't a bad thing unless making money is bad.

[Ice blonde]

Hi Skylune

You are a scream, why on earth would I pay =A3=A3=A3 if I just wanted to
find spots to eat, I'd walk in my nearest town, we have probably the
largest % of restaurants of anywhere I know.

I want to try flying because I know I will either be terrified or enjoy
the buzz of being that far off the ground and possibly in control.

Why not for amateurs, we all have to start somewhere, or if your not a
'serious' pilot are you not allowed to play?

>Just please don't wake up the whole damned neighborhood while your
> getting your kicks

Now whick kicks are you talking about, somethings just aren't that loud
;-)

I happen to live under one of the flight paths for the airfield I
mentioned, and we don't have problems with noise.

My choice of sport is obvious, and in MHO is far better than skiing
could ever be, and yes I've been skiing.

now please forgive the language barrier again, but NASTAR?

Regards

Quote of the week is 'try in on something with a mind of it own!'

[Sylvain]

Skylune wrote:
> Ski areas bring enormous economnic benefits to areas in which they are
> located.

except for being one of the worst environmental disaster you
could bring on a mountain area (erosion, pollution, noise
and human activity which impacts local wild life permanently,
unlike overflying aircraft that the local critters just
ignore, etc.) -- and which is a business which often
enough doesn't even break even and require significan
contribution from the tax payer (you should hear these
guys winning about not enough snow falling at the wrong time
of the year, etc.)

and let me guess: do you actually climb back up the mountain
under your own power, or do you use one of these noisy,
polluting, lifts/cable cars that permanently scar the
landscape?

--Sylvain

[Sylvain]

Ice blonde wrote:
> Hi Skylune
>
> You are a scream,

I think you are describing our local troll quite nicely;
the kind of guy who get his kicks posting anti-GA drivel
on aviation related sites (you find the same kind of folks
advocating cruelty to animals on pet related groups, or
racist rants on some well targeted soc.culture.* newsgroups,
etc.)

from previous posts it seems that skylune was an ex-wannabe
pilot who failed miserably at it and dropped out, hence his
sour puss rants. Best ignored.


> why on earth would I pay £££ if I just wanted to
> find spots to eat,

that however will eventually make perfect sense to you once
you get hooked; google for '100$ hamburger' advices :-)

> I happen to live under one of the flight paths for the airfield I
> mentioned, and we don't have problems with noise.

that's something you'll notice amongst a specific (and vocal)
crowd; they don't mind the noise of their own much louder
lawn mower, but complain at the slightest aircraft noise;
actually I even witness one of these people going nuts complaining
about the noise of a glider port (equipped for winch launch, i.e.,
zero noise could be heard from the neighborhood); same kind of
jealousy that drives our pet troll...

--Sylvain

[Hilton]

JohnH wrote:
>
>> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.
>
> Kind of like winning first place at the special olympics.

Even participating in the Special Olympics should be viewed as a victory of
sorts for the child, the parents, the teachers, and all others involved with
the kid's life. As the father of two georgously healthy little girls, I am
eternally grateful that I don't have a participant.

Having said that, Football World Champs and Baseball World Series reminds me
of the Shrek character Farquaad. ;)

Hilton

[George Patterson]

wrote:

>>and Major League Baseball.
>
> Cuba, though in baseball terms that's pretty much the United States ;)

Or Japan, from what I've read.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

Sylvain wrote:

> and let me guess: do you actually climb back up the mountain
> under your own power, or do you use one of these noisy,
> polluting, lifts/cable cars that permanently scar the
> landscape?

Give them a break, Silvain. They make great landmarks for pilotage! :-)

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Patterson]

Ice blonde wrote:

> You are a scream, why on earth would I pay £££ if I just wanted to
> find spots to eat, I'd walk in my nearest town, we have probably the
> largest % of restaurants of anywhere I know.

The term $100 hamburger simply applies to pilots trying to find some excuse for
flying somewhere. Aviation addicts can manage to convince their family members
that a restaurant several hundred miles away is just the place for brunch.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[[email protected]]

Skylune wrote:
> OK then. how 'bout the guy who posted the concert schedule at the former
> Megis Field? I think he is a contender.

Thanks much! Oh, that McHenry County private airport did a hurricane
benefit concert, with local cover bands. Copy Cat!

"The benefit, organized by Sam Leach, the band American English, Onesti
Entertainment, and Michael and Joeleen Stanard, will happen at a new
concert venue that can hold 12,000. It is connected to the Galt
Airport, 5112 Greenwood Road, which is owned by the Stanards.

The Friday bill includes American English, Elevation, The New Invaders,
Hot Rocks, Instant Karma, Problem Child, The Midway Ramblers, Strange
Days, Metermaid and The Neverly Brothers. A special guest will be
Thaddeus Richard, a musician and Hurricane Katrina survivor from the
New Orleans area. Richard was the clarinet soloist on the Wings' hit
Listen To What the Man Said.

Saturday is jammed with jam bands, with Madvine, Malfunktion, Sweet
Pick, Tall Grass Magicians, Venetian Red, Rob Webster and Friends, and
Dag Juhlin of Poi Dog Pondering set to noodle. Mark Staycer, Mighty
Blue Kings, G-Man Blues and the Amazing Kappa are yet to be slated.

Ticket prices for a two-day pass will be $20 at the gate ($10 for 12
and under). Parking will be $5. Guests are invited to stay the night by
camping under the stars or in their vehicles as no tents - or
campfires - will be allowed."

JG

[Tom Conner]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:Ppl_e.21640$Fh4.15969@trndny03...
> Ice blonde wrote:
>
> > You are a scream, why on earth would I pay £££ if I just wanted to
> > find spots to eat, I'd walk in my nearest town, we have probably the
> > largest % of restaurants of anywhere I know.
>
> The term $100 hamburger simply applies to pilots trying to find some
> excuse for flying somewhere. Aviation addicts can manage to convince
> their family members that a restaurant several hundred miles away is
> just the place for brunch.
>

Maybe its time to start referring to it as the $200-$300 dollar hamburger.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Sylvain >
wrote:


> that's something you'll notice amongst a specific (and vocal)
> crowd; they don't mind the noise of their own much louder
> lawn mower, but complain at the slightest aircraft noise;

heck, some of the idiots even complain about noise from
aircraft that didn't even fly (KBED reportedly received noise
complaints following the scheduled take-off time of a 707, but
the airplane didn't actually fly that day).

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

[[email protected]]

Skylune wrote:
> OK then. how 'bout the guy who posted the concert schedule at the former
> Megis Field? I think he is a contender.

Nah, Jay Honeck and Larry Dighera's political ruminations have set off
bigger ****ing matches than Oktoberfest in Munich. You guys are
lightweights.

-cwk.

[[email protected]]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> >>
> >> The same goes for the NBA
> >
> > Judging from the past couple of Olympics I'm not sure a really good
> > European team couldn't beat our hothouse orchids.
>
> Look back at the year we sent our really GOOD NBA players. And that was
> basicly a pick-up team. Take one of the teams any any of the big three
> sports that has been playing an practicing together all year and many the
> foreign ass will be waxed.

What year was that, 1992? The quality of the game has gone down a lot
and the ferners are doing a much better job of finding big guys so it's
not like we could depend on overpowering them.

As for baseball, we could smash Japan like Godzilla for the most part,
but Cuba and the DR already account for what, 1/4 of our MLB players?
They could definitely field excellent teams if they weren't all playing
here. Just wait until Fidel croaks and we have an MLB franchise in
Havana.

Football is a bad example because it's really only played here. It will
be interesting to see whether US soccer really starts to crank
internationally as it becomes the sport more and more people grew up
with. Now that will be some great jingoistic mayhem when that happens.

-cwk.

[Morgans]

"George Patterson" > wrote
>
> Or Japan, from what I've read.

If Japan's baseball was that good, there would be more than a few Japanese
players here.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

> wrote
>
You're just a crank with an axe to grind.

No, that is an "ass" with an ax to grind.
--
Jim in NC

[Seth Masia]

You're giving skiers a bad name, skylune.

People become expert pilots for the same reasons they become expert skiers:
for the sense of accomplishment, mastery, and thrill.

Come find me at the Beav and I'll show you the way down Ripsaw.

Anyway, you make too much noise.

Seth
PSIA Level III, Vail/Beaver Creek Ski School
PP SEL, SES, Instrument
Comanche N8100R

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Hi Ice. I noticed the wonderful reception you got here when you talked
> about starting training. Best of luck!! But, decide first if you really
> have the time to devote -- flying just isn't for amateurs -- and what u
> wanna do with your ticket. If its just to fly around looking for spots to
> eat and refuel, I think its weird, but to each her own! Just please don't
> wake up the whole damned neighborhood while your getting your kicks.
>
> My sports: amateur mogul skiing comps, some NASTAR, tennis, mountain
> biking. (I wonder why anyone who has had the experience of carving a
> perfect turn, or cutting the line thru the bumps right down the fall line,
> wouldn't immediately decide that nothing else in the world could possibly
> top this, especially something passive that requires use of an engine.
> Ski areas bring enormous economnic benefits to areas in which they are
> located. I believe my season passes s/b govt. subsidized. ;-) )
>

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article m>,
"Ice blonde" > wrote:

> >Nah. I compete in real sports, and don't need to get my adrenaline kicks
> >by flying little planes in search of $150 hamburgers while wondering why
> >I'm so obese......
>
> Blimey, your a charmer aren't you, what sports would they be?

I would not nominate "Skyloon" for "Troll of the Year."

I would, however, nominate him for Chief Fig plucker. He is, after all,
the Fig Plucker's son, and, he has been plucking figs ever since the Fig
Plucker left town.

I would nominate some of the raghead apologists in other newsgroups for
"Troll of the Year."

[tony roberts]

You have a problem with the Special Olympics?

Just hope that you are never a competitor.

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article >,
"JohnH" > wrote:

> > I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.
>
> Kind of like winning first place at the special olympics.

[Montblack]

("Morgans" wrote)
> You're just a crank with an axe to grind.
>
> No, that is an "ass" with an ax to grind.


In 'street talk' ...Would that be an "ask" to grind? <g>


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
> Do you think there is another US rules football team that could beat the
> Superbowl winner any given year. If the worst team in the NFL were
> matched against the best team any other league or nation could field I'd
> lay my money on the NFL team.


College All-Stars game played in Chicago, to start the season, up until 1976
(today it's the Hall of Fame pre-season game)

All-Stars won 9 of those games (1 in 4 ...CAS get the tie) against the past
year's NFL Champs. <g>

(From the web)
Arch Ward - 1975 - Arch Ward, a promoter and Chicago Tribune editor, won the
award for coming up with the annual College All-Star game, an event that
matched the previous year's NFL Champs with the previous year's college
all-stars. The first CASG was played in 1934, and ended in a 0-0 tie with
the Chicago Bears. This series lasted until 1976 with the Pittsburgh
Steelers defeated the all-stars 24-0. All told, the college kids did not
fare well against the NFL Champion squads as they went a combined 9-32-1.

(Also from the web)
College All-Star Football Game
Initiated in 1934 by Arch Ward of the Chicago Tribune, the College All-Star
Game football series was played annually in Chicago through 1976. Soon
achieving status as the official opening of each football season, the game
placed Chicago in the national sporting limelight each year as hundreds of
newspaper writers from around the country attended.

Matching a team of graduated All-American players from the previous season
against the defending National Football League professional champion, the
games were all played at Soldier Field—except for two games held at
Northwestern. During its lifetime the series raised approximately $4 million
for various Chicago-area charities. --Raymond Schmidt


Montblack
BTW, I used to love that game!!

[Steve Foley]

#1) You don't get my vote.

#2) You spent more time in your boat than I spent in my plane the weekend
after Labor Day.

#3) Button Fly Blues is a song by a local artist that I enjoy.

#4) I hate treadmills. I prefer biking. Even bought a tandem so I can bring
my wife.


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> I take it i have your vote??!
>
> ( A little time on the treadmill instead of the yoke might help a little.)
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

> wrote in message >
> Football is a bad example because it's really only played here. It will
> be interesting to see whether US soccer really starts to crank
> internationally as it becomes the sport more and more people grew up
> with. Now that will be some great jingoistic mayhem when that happens.
>
Your right it is a horrible example but it is the one the OP used to start
this sub thread.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
>> Do you think there is another US rules football team that could beat the
>> Superbowl winner any given year. If the worst team in the NFL were
>> matched against the best team any other league or nation could field I'd
>> lay my money on the NFL team.
>
>
> College All-Stars game played in Chicago, to start the season, up until
> 1976 (today it's the Hall of Fame pre-season game)
>
> All-Stars won 9 of those games (1 in 4 ...CAS get the tie) against the
> past year's NFL Champs. <g>
>

That was almost 30 years ago. I doubt the outcome would be the same today.
Plus I wonder how it would have turned out if the NFL team had something to
loose and it was held a week or two before or after the Super Bowl?

[Longworth]

Skylune wrote:
> As 2005, a very eventful year for GA, nears an end, I'd like to ask all the
> pilots here to consider having a Troll of the Year award.
> ....
> I humbly nominate myself, and I thank you for your consideration.

Skylune,
I only came across few of your postings including this one. IMHO,
you are just a self-aggrandizing aviation gnat. I will nominate you
for the hot cowpie award. BTW, I don't think buzzing about in the
rec.aviation sandbox is considered a 'real' sport ;-)

Hai Longworth

[Skylune]

;-). Are you one of the "impacted pilots" that Boyer is talking about??
WTF is an "impacted pilot?" I assume, one who survived a crash. AOPA
provides no insight.

[Skylune]

West coast wimp. Come out to NE and ski the Outer Limits, or the front
four at Stowe. You westies need perfect conditions, and then sit back on
your tails (never having had to actually edge), causing you to crash and
burn in the bumps.

[Skylune]

Vote for JGRAVE!!!!

[Skylune]

More self aggrandizing than some of the pilots here?? Wow, that is tough
to accomplish. Thanx.

[Skylune]

Jay is way to nice a guy to win any troll award, despite his obvious
addiction to VFR flying and thinking nothing else in this universe can
compare to the thrill of flying around in a piper. Dighera is an
ill-tempered crank: I'd vote for him, after Jgrove.

[Ice blonde]

> I think you are describing our local troll quite nicely;

Damn, don't tell me Troll baiting not allowed here?

I see what you mean about 100$ hamburger :-)

But, I do think Skyluney is OTT about the whole fat flying to fit
skiier ratio, I seen some large skiiers, and you want to get out the
way when they are coming down the mountain after you, gravity has
attitude!

[Darkwing \(Badass\)]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
news:89j_e.87547$7f5.42930@okepread01...
>
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
>> >
>>> And before anyone says anything it isn't because the US is better. We
>>> just put a lot of money into the programs.
>>
>> Which is not exactly something to be proud of IMHO.
>>
>
> Let me rephrase "We put a lot of money into them because they make a lot
> of money"
>
> Which isn't a bad thing unless making money is bad.


Making money is only bad when your not the one making the money.

---------------------------------------------
DW

[Skylune]

Those porkies would be mainly on the green slopes (or out in the perfect
powder conditions in the West). Not an issue.

NASTAR-- not sure what the entire acronym means: North American Ski
(something) Amateur Racing.

Clever, how you've lured the fliers in. They will typically bite when
they think an attractive female is interested in their "sport." Good
work.

[Skylune]

..."the worst environmental disaster..." OK. I suppose airports are
environmentally friendly, as is the leaded gas you burn and the oil you
constantly need to add.

Ski areas of course do adversely affect the environment. That is why they
are closely regulated and virtually no new ones are being built. But I
think that strip mining a mountain, or clear cutting a forest, are worse
for the environment than building a ski area. They certainly do not
create a noise nuisance (unless you hang with the boarders who like to
pump rap music into their half pipes.)

[Steve Foley]

But it's low-lead gas! (That's what it says on my filler cap)

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> .."the worst environmental disaster..." OK. I suppose airports are
> environmentally friendly, as is the leaded gas you burn and the oil you
> constantly need to add.

[Ice blonde]

>Clever, how you've lured the fliers in. They will typically bite when
>they think an attractive female is interested in their "sport." Good
>work.

I didn't think it required intelligence to post a question on a NG, so
many trolls have proved that.

How come you think I'm an attractive female, I haven't stated I'm
either! But thanks darling!

I AM interested in flying, my question was genuine, but tell me whats
your reason for posting?

Regards

[Ice blonde]

>You're giving skiers a bad name, skylune.
>
>People become expert pilots for the same reasons they become expert >skiers:
>for the sense of accomplishment, mastery, and thrill.

Hi Seth

True, my brother in law is an expert skiier, (started skiing at 2yrs
old, and has been trained by world class teacher) and has 'lowered'
himself to try horse riding too ;-) I think your list works for that
addiction too.

Regards

[Tom Conner]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:2wA_e.12676$L15.4639@trndny01...
> But it's low-lead gas! (That's what it says on my filler cap)
>

True, it is "low lead". However, that is in relation to what it replaced.
100LL contains 2 grams of lead per gallon, which 4 times the lead that was
in automative fuel.

> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
> > .."the worst environmental disaster..." OK. I suppose airports are
> > environmentally friendly, as is the leaded gas you burn and the oil you
> > constantly need to add.
>
>

[Steve Foley]

Actually, I'm pretty sure they call it low lead because you end up picking
the lead balls out of the lower plugs.


"Tom Conner" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:2wA_e.12676$L15.4639@trndny01...
> > But it's low-lead gas! (That's what it says on my filler cap)
> >
>
> True, it is "low lead". However, that is in relation to what it replaced.
> 100LL contains 2 grams of lead per gallon, which 4 times the lead that was
> in automative fuel.
>
> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > lkaboutaviation.com...
> > > .."the worst environmental disaster..." OK. I suppose airports are
> > > environmentally friendly, as is the leaded gas you burn and the oil
you
> > > constantly need to add.
> >
> >
>
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Ice blonde" > wrote in message >
> How come you think I'm an attractive female, I haven't stated I'm
> either! But thanks darling!
>


I didn't post the message that assumed your sex but the words blonde and
blond are barrowed from French and the one that ends with e is feminine and
the one without is masculine.

As this is USENET I wouldn't assume you were female if you said you were.

[Skylune]

Public service.

[Skylune]

Oh, on the attractive female assumption: I don't necessarily think you are
even interested in flying, a female, or anything....

But, I think that's what the pilots. "Ice Blonde" conjures up images,
although I may be thinking about skiiers.

[Ice blonde]

>Oh, on the attractive female assumption: I don't necessarily think you are
>even interested in flying, a female, or anything....
>But, I think that's what the pilots. "Ice Blonde" conjures up images,
>although I may be thinking about skiiers.

Yawn! this is getting boring now, as trolls often do.

Which bit of "I AM interested in flying, my question was genuine" did
you misunderstand?

For those who do fly and replied to my post, many thanks. As it happens
I am female, as for attractive, that is a matter of personal opinion.

But I can tell you there is nothing less attractive than a troll, why
the h*ll aren't you out skiing rather than bugging these guys.

Regards

[Seth Masia]

I skied the Front Four at Stowe for ten years. I was there again last March
and cleaned Nosedive on water ice. Ice or no, Chute 75 at Squaw is tougher.

BTW I surfed Maui this summer. Where were you?

Low elevation wimp.

Seth

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> West coast wimp. Come out to NE and ski the Outer Limits, or the front
> four at Stowe. You westies need perfect conditions, and then sit back on
> your tails (never having had to actually edge), causing you to crash and
> burn in the bumps.
>

[Skylune]

Misunderstand?: I said to each her own. Good luck. BTW, check out the
thread on AOPA forum/Never Again/VFR pilot into IMC. Many CFIs there
agree with my assertion that it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to easy in the USA to
get a ticket. I flew for about 15 hours, and realized quickly that it is
not for the average person who cannot devote considerable (and I mean at
least several hours per week) to this endeavor. There are many, many
unqualified pilots flying around out there.

Reason I'm not skiing is because there is no snow in New England in
September.

Yawn.

[Skylune]

Congrats. You are the rare exception to the west coast skier rule then!
And you surely know what I'm talking about. Some west coasters that I
talk to have never even sharpened their edges!!

Two years ago, while in the Canyons in Utah, there was a snow drought.
East coast conditions. We were tearing thru the ice, around the rocks,
and the westies were sitting back, and falling all over their tushies.
When I taught in the east when in my 20s, the worst skiers were those from
the west coast. Nothing but moaning about the cold, the ice (even though
conditions were awesome) etc.

I've seen the surf on the north side of Oahu. Not for me. Just like
flying. I prefer the more gentle surf off of the Cocoa Beach pier, or
locally, off of Montauk or the Hamptons.

[Ice blonde]

To quote Skylune:

>Clever, how you've lured the fliers in. They will typically bite when
>they think an attractive female is interested in their "sport." Good
>work.

>Oh, on the attractive female assumption: I don't necessarily think you are
>even interested in flying, a female, or anything....

>Misunderstand?: I said to each her own. Good luck

Well I'm glad we have got that sorted. If thats the case, why do you
feel the need to tell me about the perils of all these terrible US
pilots, particularly when I've stated I'm going to be flying in the
UK??????

So you quit after 15 hours and now your an expert in why nobody should
fly????? Sounds like very sour grapes to me!

>Reason I'm not skiing is because there is no snow in New England in
>September.

Oh, I'm sorry. Is this just another assumption of yours that New
England is the only place in the world you can ski, or do you object to
flying that much you won't venture further from home?

[Seth Masia]

You're one provincial guy, skylune.

Colorado is not the West Coast. We're 1200 miles from salt water, which is
why our snow is so dry.

The West Coast produces some of this country's best skiers: Jimmie Heuga.
Phil and Steve Mahre. The McKinney family. Deb Armstrong. Eva Twardokens.
Daron Rahlves. Jonna Mendes. I can recall years when 50% of the US Ski Team
came from Squaw Valley alone. And yes, they could ski ice, if that's your
definition of good skiing. I happen to think it's trivial -- it's something
you learn before you move on to more interesting challenges, sort of like
landing a taildragger.

That's just the racers, of course.

This thread has gone completely OT, and so I'll end it.

If you wanna ski with me, Vail charges $550 a day for my time.

Seth

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Congrats. You are the rare exception to the west coast skier rule then!
> And you surely know what I'm talking about. Some west coasters that I
> talk to have never even sharpened their edges!!
>
> Two years ago, while in the Canyons in Utah, there was a snow drought.
> East coast conditions. We were tearing thru the ice, around the rocks,
> and the westies were sitting back, and falling all over their tushies.
> When I taught in the east when in my 20s, the worst skiers were those from
> the west coast. Nothing but moaning about the cold, the ice (even though
> conditions were awesome) etc.
>
> I've seen the surf on the north side of Oahu. Not for me. Just like
> flying. I prefer the more gentle surf off of the Cocoa Beach pier, or
> locally, off of Montauk or the Hamptons.
>

[BDS]

"Ice blonde" > wrote

> So you quit after 15 hours and now your an expert in why nobody should
> fly????? Sounds like very sour grapes to me!

Not only did he quit, but now he feels like he has to attack GA and those of
us who enjoy flying every chance he gets in order to make himself feel
better about his own inadequacies.

It's simple - if he can get himself to believe that most GA pilots don't
have the skills necessary to fly safely, then he can feel good about the
fact that he wasn't able to overcome his own personal fears and inabilities.

Skylune, you shouldn't feel too bad about failing at becoming a pilot - not
everyone is cut out for it.

[[email protected]]

On 27 Sep 2005 19:26:14 -0700, wrote:

>Football is a bad example because it's really only played here. It will
>be interesting to see whether US soccer really starts to crank
>internationally as it becomes the sport more and more people grew up
>with. Now that will be some great jingoistic mayhem when that happens.
>
>-cwk.

The US soccer team is currently ranked 6th in the world which puts
them ahead of such world futball powers as Germany, England, France,
Spain and Portugal. The rankings encompass 50 nations.

I'd say that's doing pretty darn good considering soccer is a world
sport. Also, you don't have to be a freak of nature to play it well.

Corky Scott

[Skylune]

LOL. Virtually anyone can fly if they have the time and $5K. Its a skill
that takes some time to learn, thats all.

[Skylune]

Well, I am somewhat provincial, but I have skiied many western (ok - not
west coast) areas such as vail, Ajax, Canyons, Alta, Jackson Hole, etc.
My wife and I were amazed how incredibly easy it is to ski in perfect
powder, with 6 inches of kick around fluff. I just prefer the more
challenging conditions of the east. Ever tried Mad River Glen: motto is
"Ski it if you can." And they mean it: no grooming, no significant
snowmaking. Nothing in the west can match it.

I can also name names: New Hampshires very own Bode Miller, NJ's Donna
Weinbrecht, spring to mind.

As far as learning to ski on the hard shiny stuff before the perfect 6
inch powder, you of course know that most west-coasters (including
colorado) have never had to master it. Obviously the pros have-- they
prefer icy runs for speed.

$550?? Do I get a new pair of Volkls with that? ;-) Three years ago, we
skiied with Johnny Mosely at Sunday River (one of the finest resorts in
North America) for free. That was a good time, and a chance to see a true
athlete (and really nice kid) up close. He is the greatest bump skier of
all time.

[Skylune]

...and just $49 bucks to start.

http://www.beapilot.com/register.html

Not exactly rocket science. They are (desperately) advertising for new
students. If you have time to train and fly at least once a week, why
not? If not, well, u can still get your ticket easily enough and join the
NTSB stat list, like JFK Jr.

[Steve Foley]

Well,

You could always take up skiing:
Adult Ages 19-64
Lift Ticket
Rental
Lessons**
Learn to
Ski/Ride

1-Day
$69
$36
$45
$85



Sounds a little more expensive than flying, so probably more difficult to
stay current. I guess you could follow Michael Kennedy instead of John Jr.


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> ..and just $49 bucks to start.
>
> http://www.beapilot.com/register.html
>
> Not exactly rocket science. They are (desperately) advertising for new
> students. If you have time to train and fly at least once a week, why
> not? If not, well, u can still get your ticket easily enough and join the
> NTSB stat list, like JFK Jr.
>

[Skylune]

Yeah. Michael Kennedy won a Darwin award too. I wonder if JFK Jr. was
tossing a football around the cabin while flying over the bay, in haze, at
night, using his newly minted VFR skills.

[skylunelives]

We are many!


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Skylune wrote:
> OK then. how 'bout the guy who posted the concert schedule at the former
> Megis Field? I think he is a contender.

My vote for favorite GA spin is:

> a post by your friends of NORTHERLY ISLAND:

> > Meigs provides huge economic benefits to the downtown
> > business district of Chicago. Calculations based on a
> > 1993 City of Chicago study indicate that--using extremely
> > conservative assumptions--Meigs contributes a minimum of
> > 1,500 jobs and $57.3 million annually to the local economy,
> > and perhaps 10 or more times those numbers.

> A "calculation" thats "perhaps" wrong by a factor of TEN.

Hopefully, your cockpit instruments are better calibrated than this
"economic study".

ATC: "Desend to 500 feet"
Pilot: "Roger, 500 feet, Oops climbing to 5000 feet". "No, desending to
50
feet." SPLAT

JG

[Skylune]

Yes, the studies are a joke, and are rigged. Generally performed by
consultants paid for by the industry. Its similar to when Boyer calls for
the AOPA do do an unbiased study of user fees. LOL.

The "studies" mostly look just a gross payroll at the airport (some even
include the businesses that located on or near airport property -- as if
these would not exist w/o the airport) and then spinoff spending (the
hamburgers and such consumed by the fliers and their hapless passengers).
For small GA airports in areas already accessible by rail or roadway, the
economic benefits are negligible to negative.

None of the studies looks at the opportunity cost of the foregone land,
the external costs of pollution (air, water and noise), etc. If these
damned things were such economic engines, why on earth do they need annual
operating subsidies from the FAA?

[Skylune]

Hey, in reality, I am a big fat TURD and I love to jerk all the chains
out here in rec.aviation.piloting land.

[Skylune]

Ah, the impostor. Hi!