Moller Skycar for $3.5 Million

[Russian Taildragger]

Neiman Marcus has the Skycar prototype on sale for $3.5M.

http://snipurl.com/i0eh

If only Moller offered it with the Zoch Diesel....

Maybe Zzzzz or his Toadie will test fly the thing. Look for a flight
report on Aero-nut network.

[[email protected]]

"Certain regulatory requirements must be met for purchase of the
prototype, including International Traffic in Arms
Regulations........."

What kid of weapons has Moller developed that we don't know about?
Does this mean that I need to register my Quickie project with the BATF
as a class III and pay the $200 stamp?
==============
Leon McAtee

[Don Hammer]

Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?

[Kyle Boatright]

"Don Hammer" > wrote in message
...
> Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
> ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
> other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?

Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.

I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to
time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.

PT Barnum would be so proud...

[Anthony W]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Don Hammer" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>
>
> Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.
>
> I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to
> time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
> Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.
>
> PT Barnum would be so proud...

I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now...

Tony

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Russian Taildragger wrote:
> Neiman Marcus has the Skycar prototype on sale for $3.5M.
>
> http://snipurl.com/i0eh
>
> If only Moller offered it with the Zoch Diesel....
>
> Maybe Zzzzz or his Toadie will test fly the thing. Look for a flight
> report on Aero-nut network.
>
For the sweet love of humanity I hope no one buys it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Don Hammer wrote:

> Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
> ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
> other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?

In 2003 he actually hovered the thing. Well, on a tether and only in
ground effect, but he did hover it. Not bad for 35 years of fleecing
suckers.

Personally I think it would be nice if moller were to take the
money, assuming it sells, pay off some investors then do a swan dive
into oblivion.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[wmbjk]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W >
wrote:

>Kyle Boatright wrote:
>> "Don Hammer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>
>>
>> Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.
>>
>> I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to
>> time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
>> Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.
>>
>> PT Barnum would be so proud...
>
>I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now...
>
>Tony

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm What surprises
me is that even though it only takes seconds to find evidence of his
decades of hucksterism, people apparently still send him money and
dream of flying his creation. Then again, this is his second attempt
to sell the prototype, so maybe he's finally running out of suckers.

Wayne

[[email protected]]

>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for >his pie-in-the-sky
>ideas.

Well, not quite that bad. Jim Bede's airplanes actually flew,
some rather successfully. The many Grumman singles, the BD-4, and so
on. The BD-5 and the later stuff might have been hyped, alright.
Moller still has to come up with ONE thing that' actually
capable of useful flight.

Dan

[Ken Chaddock]

Don Hammer wrote:

> Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
> ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
> other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?

After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion
reactors ? Some things take time...

....Ken

[Kyle Boatright]

"Ken Chaddock" > wrote in message
news:MSZ_e.253696$9A2.72113@edtnps89...
> Don Hammer wrote:
>
>> Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>> ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>> other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>
> After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion reactors
> ? Some things take time...
>
> ...Ken

There is a difference between fusion reactors, which are beyond the cutting
edge research projects.

Moler's project is a bit different. First, the technology exists to do what
he says he intends to do. He still hasn't gotten there. Beyond that, he's
promising performance figures that can't be achieved with the type craft
he's projecting. Check out his range/fuel mileage claims. Completely
impossible.

So, what we have in one instance is people trying to develop new technology
which may or may not achievable, ever.

And then, there is Moler, who has a 30+ year of failure at creating a flying
machine which should be doable with today's technology, although it'll never
meet the claimed performance. So, he's more or less a failure and a fraud
at the same time.

KB

[Montblack]

("Ken Chaddock" wrote)
> After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion
> reactors ?


93 million miles away.


Montblack

[Anthony W]

wmbjk wrote:

> http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm What surprises
> me is that even though it only takes seconds to find evidence of his
> decades of hucksterism, people apparently still send him money and
> dream of flying his creation. Then again, this is his second attempt
> to sell the prototype, so maybe he's finally running out of suckers.
>
> Wayne

Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some years
ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3 wheeled
car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more than a
mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo
eventually went to jail over it.

Tony

[Richard Isakson]

"Richard Riley" wrote ...
> (My favorite is the "Fascination"
> http://www.popcultmag.com/oddglimpses/ephemera/spacecar/spacecar.html

Oh yeh, just great:
"First, let's look under the hood (presuming it has one, somewhere). While
the Fascination's standard engine is an aluminum, fuel-injected
four-cylinder, a new type of energy source is touted as the vehicle's
soon-to-come power drive: the Nobel Gas Plasma Engine. "This engine is a
closed two-cycle reciprocating engine that has no intake, uses no air,
emitting no exhaust at all. The fuel is self-contained and hermetically
sealed in the cylinders which are initially charged at the time of
manufacturing, carrying their own power supply that will last approximately
60 to 75 thousand miles with no fall of efficiency." An environmentally safe
engine that doesn't need refueling for 60,000 miles-why haven't we heard of
this miracle power source? (GM or Ford obviously must have sent out their
minions to squelch such a potentially damaging competitor.)"

Where's that "Flavored Coffee" idiot?

Rich

[Anthony W]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:27:33 GMT, Anthony W >
> wrote:
>
> :
> :Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some years
> :ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3 wheeled
> :car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more than a
> :mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo
> :eventually went to jail over it.
>
> That would be the "Dale"
>
> http://www.3wheelers.com/dale.html

I didn't want to say so and give them any more publicity but, yes. The
Skycar should go the way of the dale. On their best day neither of them
will ever be a Tucker and he went down in flames but at least Tucker had
a sellable product...

Tony

[Flyingmonk]

He hasn't made anything that flew w/o tether, but he did make decent
motorcycle mufflers (SuperTrap) and was successful at selling them.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Anthony W]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> He hasn't made anything that flew w/o tether, but he did make decent
> motorcycle mufflers (SuperTrap) and was successful at selling them.
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

I didn't know that was him. He should have stuck with that, suppertrap
exhaust systems were about the best available...

Tony

[Flyingmonk]

Tony wrote:
>I didn't know that was him. He should have stuck with that, suppertrap
>exhaust systems were about the best available...

Yep, that be him.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Roger]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W >
wrote:

>Kyle Boatright wrote:
>> "Don Hammer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>
>>
>> Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.
>>
>> I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to
>> time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
>> Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.
>>
>> PT Barnum would be so proud...
>
>I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now...

Are you kidding? The feds and NASA think the basic idea is great and
actually have a program to develop something along those lines. Can
you imagine the air traffic if even one percent of the drives had
something like that?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>Tony

[Kyle Boatright]

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W >
> wrote:
>
>>Kyle Boatright wrote:
>>> "Don Hammer" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>>
>>>
>>> Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.
>>>
>>> I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time
>>> to
>>> time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
>>> Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.
>>>
>>> PT Barnum would be so proud...
>>
>>I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now...
>
> Are you kidding? The feds and NASA think the basic idea is great and
> actually have a program to develop something along those lines. Can
> you imagine the air traffic if even one percent of the drives had
> something like that?
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
>>

I wonder if the Feds and NASA really think that? I seem to remember that
Moler has gotten federal grants for some of his work, but all that takes is
a friendly congressman to bury an appropriation in a spending bill. Trust
me, if you know the right people, it ain't hard to do.

In my professional career, the company I work for entered into a partnership
of sorts with a developer of alternate energy sources. After a while, we
ended the relationship because it became apparent that they didn't have a
useful product to offer. Instead, the President of the company had enough
REALLY GOOD political contacts to get Federal Grants which would have kept
his phoney baloney project well funded until he retired, even though the
product (essentially vaporware) didn't have a leg to stand on once you
dissected the thermodynamics and the ratios of energy consumed versus energy
produced...

KB

[Ken Chaddock]

Kyle Boatright wrote:

> "Ken Chaddock" > wrote in message
> news:MSZ_e.253696$9A2.72113@edtnps89...
>
>>Don Hammer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>
>>After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion reactors
>>? Some things take time...
>>
>>...Ken
>
>
> There is a difference between fusion reactors, which are beyond the cutting
> edge research projects.
>
> Moler's project is a bit different. First, the technology exists to do what
> he says he intends to do. He still hasn't gotten there. Beyond that, he's
> promising performance figures that can't be achieved with the type craft
> he's projecting. Check out his range/fuel mileage claims. Completely
> impossible.
>
> So, what we have in one instance is people trying to develop new technology
> which may or may not achievable, ever.
>
> And then, there is Moler, who has a 30+ year of failure at creating a flying
> machine which should be doable with today's technology, although it'll never
> meet the claimed performance. So, he's more or less a failure and a fraud
> at the same time.

Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the
cost of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or
thousands, maybe even millions of them so there is considerable
insentive to do so so I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable
with current technology...why hasn't someone done it ?

....Ken

[Ken Chaddock]

Anthony W wrote:

> wmbjk wrote:
>
>> http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm What surprises
>> me is that even though it only takes seconds to find evidence of his
>> decades of hucksterism, people apparently still send him money and
>> dream of flying his creation. Then again, this is his second attempt
>> to sell the prototype, so maybe he's finally running out of suckers.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>
> Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some years
> ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3 wheeled
> car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more than a
> mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo
> eventually went to jail over it.

Did the cross dresser put $$$ millions $$$ of his own money into the
project ?

....Ken

[Ken Chaddock]

Roger wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Kyle Boatright wrote:
>>
>>>"Don Hammer" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>>
>>>
>>>Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million.
>>>
>>>I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to
>>>time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has
>>>Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job.
>>>
>>>PT Barnum would be so proud...
>>
>>I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now...
>
>
> Are you kidding? The feds and NASA think the basic idea is great and
> actually have a program to develop something along those lines. Can
> you imagine the air traffic if even one percent of the drives had
> something like that?

If certainly would be "busy" over crowded cities...think "The 13th
Element"...but otherwise it would be much better. Consider that all
those cars and trucks have to move along asphalt ribbons that constitute
a very small fraction of available airspace...

....Ken

[wright1902glider]

Ken Chaddock wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Kyle Boatright wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Don Hammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
> >>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
> >>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
> >>>
> >>>
What's the difference between a prototype and a mock-up?

A mock-up is pretty and shows everyone what the finished product will
look like.

A prototype looks like crap, but shows everyone how the finished
product will work by actually working.

Anyone remember the Bell model 47 helicopter? Everything a helicopter
needs to fly, and nothing it doesn't.

[Morgans]

"Ken Chaddock" > wrote

> If certainly would be "busy" over crowded cities...think "The 13th
> Element"...

<chuckle> Good try, and right idea, but the movie you are thinking of is
"The 5th Element"
--
Jim in NC

[Flyingmonk]

Richard wrote:
>He's got a point there.

Moller got five million dollars from Uncle Sam for R&D only a few years
ago.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Anthony W]

Ken Chaddock wrote:
> Anthony W wrote:
>
>> Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some
>> years ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3
>> wheeled car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more
>> than a mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo
>> eventually went to jail over it.
>
>
> Did the cross dresser put $$$ millions $$$ of his own money into the
> project ?
>
> ...Ken

It couldnt' have cost more than hundreds for that crappy mockup... It
didn't have an engine or steering. It was pretty ugly too, jut like the
creator.

Tony

[Kyle Boatright]

"Ken Chaddock" > wrote in message
news:rWl%e.1708$z26.253@edtnps84...
> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
>> "Ken Chaddock" > wrote in message
>> news:MSZ_e.253696$9A2.72113@edtnps89...
>>
>>>Don Hammer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky
>>>>ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something
>>>>other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef?
>>>
>>>After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion reactors
>>>? Some things take time...
>>>
>>>...Ken
>>
>>
>> There is a difference between fusion reactors, which are beyond the
>> cutting edge research projects.
>>
>> Moler's project is a bit different. First, the technology exists to do
>> what he says he intends to do. He still hasn't gotten there. Beyond
>> that, he's promising performance figures that can't be achieved with the
>> type craft he's projecting. Check out his range/fuel mileage claims.
>> Completely impossible.
>>
>> So, what we have in one instance is people trying to develop new
>> technology which may or may not achievable, ever.
>>
>> And then, there is Moler, who has a 30+ year of failure at creating a
>> flying machine which should be doable with today's technology, although
>> it'll never meet the claimed performance. So, he's more or less a
>> failure and a fraud at the same time.
>
> Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the cost
> of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or thousands,
> maybe even millions of them so there is considerable insentive to do so so
> I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable with current
> technology...why hasn't someone done it ?
>
> ...Ken

I think it is doable (though it still isn't easy) with today's technology.
Four problems that make it hard to commercialize (and therefore make it
unattractive to major investors) are:

1) Cost. It ain't gonna be cheap. This limits the commercial applications
since everyman won't be able to afford one.
2) Fuel efficiency. You think your SUV gets bad mileage? Wait 'till you
see our flying car!
3) Reliability. Anything that transitions from vertical to horizontal
flight is complicated, which doesn't help reliability.
4) Regulation. This would be a new type of vehicle. Who's allowed to use
it, what are the rules, etc? Under today's rules, it would probably be
treated like a unique helicopter. Everyman doesn't have a helicopter rating,
and most commercial enterprises don't want helicopters landing in their
parking lots.

KB

[Ernest Christley]

Ken Chaddock wrote:

> Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the
> cost of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or
> thousands, maybe even millions of them so there is considerable
> insentive to do so so I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable
> with current technology...why hasn't someone done it ?
>
> ...Ken

I counter that anyone who can make an "air car" for a reasonalbe price
will be considered an oddity and ignored. Reference the "air cars" that
have been flying for years with absolutely no commercial interest.

John Dyke was attempting to develope an "air car" with his JD-2 model.
It still has a steering wheel in the plans. The final straw for him was
the regulation that required windshield wipers. He decided to just make
a towable plane instead. Today, it is even worse. The amount of
emission controls required on a standard auto would kill the
airworthiness of most airplanes.

The truth of the matter is that it is doable, it is just:

1)impossible to get both the performance of a sports car and a fighter
jet into the same package. Unfortunately, the Sci-Fi channel has
painted a picture, and no one will accept anything less.

2)impossible to meet all the auto regulations and still have a viable
airplane.

--
This is by far the hardest lesson about freedom. It goes against
instinct, and morality, to just sit back and watch people make
mistakes. We want to help them, which means control them and their
decisions, but in doing so we actually hurt them (and ourselves)."

[[email protected]]

Ken Chaddock wrote:
> ...
> Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the
> cost of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or
> thousands, maybe even millions of them so there is considerable
> insentive to do so so I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable
> with current technology...why hasn't someone done it ?
>

I daresay that anyone who could afford one of those could also afford
a real airplane and a real car, each which would outperform the
mechanical chimera, as well as the hanger space in which to park
on while using the other.

--

FF

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 2 Oct 2005 10:33:55 -0700, wrote:

> > Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the
> > cost of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or
> > thousands, maybe even millions of them so there is considerable
> > insentive to do so so I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable
> > with current technology...why hasn't someone done it ?
>
> I daresay that anyone who could afford one of those could also afford
> a real airplane and a real car, each which would outperform the
> mechanical chimera, as well as the hanger space in which to park
> on while using the other.

Or hay-ell, they could just buy a real car and a used Shorts Skyvan, and carry
the car with them....

Ron Wanttaja

[Frank van der Hulst]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

> Or hay-ell, they could just buy a real car and a used Shorts Skyvan, and carry
> the car with them....

Ah yes, but remember that Moller's Skycar has never flown... it's brand-new!

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ken Chaddock" > wrote
>
>> If certainly would be "busy" over crowded cities...think "The 13th
>> Element"...
>
> <chuckle> Good try, and right idea, but the movie you are thinking of is
> "The 5th Element"
> --
> Jim in NC
>

At least he didn't try "5 Monkeys."

[Montblack]

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
>>> If certainly would be "busy" over crowded cities...think "The 13th
>>> Element"...

>> <chuckle> Good try, and right idea, but the movie you are thinking of is
>> "The 5th Element"

> At least he didn't try "5 Monkeys."


The 39 Steps.


Montblack

[Rich S.]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
>>>> If certainly would be "busy" over crowded cities...think "The 13th
>>>> Element"...
>
>>> <chuckle> Good try, and right idea, but the movie you are thinking of
>>> is
>>> "The 5th Element"
>
>> At least he didn't try "5 Monkeys."
>
>
> The 39 Steps.

"50 Million Miles to Earth" ?

Rich S.

[Rich S.]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rich S." > wrote
>
>> "50 Million Miles to Earth" ?
>
> HUH????
>
> I'm really lost, now! <G?>

It's just a numbers game. <bfg>

Rich S.

"The 13th. Warrior"???

[Morgans]

"Montblack" > wrote

> The 39 Steps.

Huh?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Rich S." > wrote

> "50 Million Miles to Earth" ?

HUH????

I'm really lost, now! <G?>
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

("Morgans" wrote)
>> The 39 Steps.
>
> Huh?


Did you even read my post! :-)

Moller Skycar - only way you'll get up in the air is by climbing ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026029/
....The 39 Steps (1935)


Montblack
[laughing hysterically]...It works on so many levels! [laughs more] Roll it
again.
-- Hans Moleman hits Homer's funny bone, "A Star is Burns"

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:05:55 -0700, "Rich S." >
wrote:

> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Rich S." > wrote
> >
> >> "50 Million Miles to Earth" ?
> >
> > HUH????
> >
> > I'm really lost, now! <G?>
>
> It's just a numbers game. <bfg>

He was probably thrown off 'cause you had both the magnitude and the units
wrong. The correct title is "Five Million *Years* to Earth."

Please, make a note of it.

Ron Wanttaja

"80 Steps to Jonah"

(When you consider that a "jonah" to a sailor is bad luck, that fits the Skycar
even better....)

[Rich S.]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
>
> He was probably thrown off 'cause you had both the magnitude and the units
> wrong. The correct title is "Five Million *Years* to Earth."
>
> Please, make a note of it.

Maybe there were two different films?

http://tinyurl.com/cs59o

At least they weren't Japanese monster movies, like "Samurai Night Fever".
:)

Rich "Where is this thread headed?" S.

[Robert Yoder]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2005 10:33:55 -0700, wrote:
>
>
>>> Anyone who can produce an "air car" for a reasonable price (say the
>>>cost of a large luxury automobile) will be able to sell hundreds or
>>>thousands, maybe even millions of them so there is considerable
>>>insentive to do so so I have to ask...If this is so easily achievable
>>>with current technology...why hasn't someone done it ?
>>
>>I daresay that anyone who could afford one of those could also afford
>>a real airplane and a real car, each which would outperform the
>>mechanical chimera, as well as the hanger space in which to park
>>on while using the other.
>
>
> Or hay-ell, they could just buy a real car and a used Shorts Skyvan, and carry
> the car with them....


Air car: http://www.joejennings.com/slide4.htm


ry
--

[Montblack]

("Richard Riley" wrote)
> There's "Quatermass and the Pit" from 1967, which was released in the
> US as "Five Million Years to Earth" and "The Mind Benders"
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062168/
>
> But there's also "20 Million Miles to Earth" from 1957. Totally
> different movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050084/


One Million Years (B)efore (C)ertification


Montblack
You can look at the movie poster, but no touching.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:20:47 -0700, Richard Riley >
wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:19:02 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
> > wrote:
>
> :He was probably thrown off 'cause you had both the magnitude and the units
> :wrong. The correct title is "Five Million *Years* to Earth."
>
> Kind of.
>
> There's "Quatermass and the Pit" from 1967, which was released in the
> US as "Five Million Years to Earth" and "The Mind Benders"
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062168/
>
> But there's also "20 Million Miles to Earth" from 1957. Totally
> different movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050084/

How *did* I miss that one? I Netflix'ed it, just a month or so ago.

Ron "Where's Tom Servo when you need him?" Wanttaja

[Rich S.]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>
> But there's also "20 Million Miles to Earth" from 1957. Totally
> different movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050084/

That's the one! So, I was only 30 million miles off. But I looped, rolled
an. . . never mind.

Thanks, Mr. Riley.

Rich "Whoever watched the movies at the El Rancho drive-in anyway?" S.

[wmbjk]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:51:57 -0500, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>One Million Years (B)efore (C)ertification

Only one million? Check your email, there should be a job offer from
Popular Science any minute now. ;-)

Wayne

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:16:29 -0700, Richard Riley >
wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:54:15 -0700, "Rich S."
> > wrote:
>
> :"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> .. .
> :>
> :> But there's also "20 Million Miles to Earth" from 1957. Totally
> :> different movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050084/
> :
> :That's the one! So, I was only 30 million miles off. But I looped, rolled
> :an. . . never mind.
> :
> :Thanks, Mr. Riley.
>
> My pleasure, Mr. S.
>
> Richard "Never go in against a film major when movie trivia is on the
> line!" Riley

What about land wars in Asia?

Ron Of Unusual Size Wanttaja

[Montblack]

("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>> Richard "Never go in against a film major when movie trivia is on the
>> line!" Riley

> What about land wars in Asia?
>
> Ron Of Unusual Size Wanttaja


"And you: friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to send
you back to where you were? Unemployed in Greenland!"


Montblack
Relevant movie quote AND a linking reference to RISK. 3 points!

[Rich S.]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>> Richard "Never go in against a film major when movie trivia is on the
>>> line!" Riley
>
>> What about land wars in Asia?
>>
>> Ron Of Unusual Size Wanttaja
>
>
> "And you: friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to
> send you back to where you were? Unemployed in Greenland!"
>
>
> Montblack
> Relevant movie quote AND a linking reference to RISK. 3 points!

Mr. Secretary, a follow up question if you please:

"Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse
trader's mule, radio's gone; and we're leakin' fuel; and if wese flyin' any
lower, why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing. . ."

Rich "Eeehhhawww" S.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:16:18 -0700, "Rich S." >
wrote:

>
> Mr. Secretary, a follow up question if you please:
>
> "Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse
> trader's mule, radio's gone; and we're leakin' fuel; and if wese flyin' any
> lower, why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing. . ."

"...One hunnert dollars in rubles, one hunnert dollars in gold, five packs a'
chewin' gum, one issue pro-phyl-actics, three lipsticks, three pair a' nylon
stockings ... Shoo-it, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with
all that stuff."

Ron "You can't fight in here, this is the war room" Wanttaja

[John Ousterhout]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:16:18 -0700, "Rich S." >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Mr. Secretary, a follow up question if you please:
>>
>>"Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse
>>trader's mule, radio's gone; and we're leakin' fuel; and if wese flyin' any
>>lower, why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing. . ."
>
>
> "...One hunnert dollars in rubles, one hunnert dollars in gold, five packs a'
> chewin' gum, one issue pro-phyl-actics, three lipsticks, three pair a' nylon
> stockings ... Shoo-it, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with
> all that stuff."
>
> Ron "You can't fight in here, this is the war room" Wanttaja



Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaw !


- John (slim) Ousterhout -

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Ron Wanttaja > wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:16:18 -0700, "Rich S." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mr. Secretary, a follow up question if you please:
> >
> > "Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse
> > trader's mule, radio's gone; and we're leakin' fuel; and if wese flyin' any
> > lower, why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing. . ."
>
> "...One hunnert dollars in rubles, one hunnert dollars in gold, five packs a'
> chewin' gum, one issue pro-phyl-actics, three lipsticks, three pair a' nylon
> stockings ... Shoo-it, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with
> all that stuff."
>
> Ron "You can't fight in here, this is the war room" Wanttaja

Capt. "King" Kong, in "Dr. Stranfelove."

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

John Ousterhout wrote:
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:16:18 -0700, "Rich S."
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mr. Secretary, a follow up question if you please:
>>>
>>> "Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a
>>> horse trader's mule, radio's gone; and we're leakin' fuel; and if
>>> wese flyin' any lower, why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing. . ."
>>
>>
>>
>> "...One hunnert dollars in rubles, one hunnert dollars in gold, five
>> packs a'
>> chewin' gum, one issue pro-phyl-actics, three lipsticks, three pair a'
>> nylon
>> stockings ... Shoo-it, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in
>> Vegas with
>> all that stuff."
>>
>> Ron "You can't fight in here, this is the war room" Wanttaja
>
>
>
>
> Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaw !
>
>
> - John (slim) Ousterhout -

Mr. President, we must not have a mine shaft gap.

Dan "but he'll see the big board", U.S. Air Force, retired

[Montblack]

("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
> "...One hunnert dollars in rubles, one hunnert dollars in gold, five packs
> a'
> chewin' gum, one issue pro-phyl-actics, three lipsticks, three pair a'
> nylon
> stockings ... Shoo-it, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas
> with
> all that stuff."
>
> Ron "You can't fight in here, this is the war room" Wanttaja


"Listen, Christian, after the game, I'll be The Man. I'll be the best there
is. People will sit down at the table with you, just so they can say they
played with The Man. And that's what I'm gonna be, Christian."

Christian: "I know."


Montblackid

[Rich S.]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...

> "Listen, Christian, after the game, I'll be The Man. I'll be the best
> there is. People will sit down at the table with you, just so they can say
> they played with The Man. And that's what I'm gonna be, Christian."
>
> Christian: "I know."
>
>
> Montblackid

Are you from Ohio? :)

Rich "I'll draw two" S.