FAA slowly coming unglued

[NotPoliticallyCorrect]

*Ah, and the big one comes even closer. When you run off experienced
people and keep idiot managers this is what happens. As the FAA
concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
together. The FAA is crumbling bit by bit while the "feel good" programs
flourish. FAA Management screwing over their dedicated union members is
not helpful toward good workforce morale either.

Sadly it appears it will take a huge tragedy and massive loss of human
life similar to the Hurricane chaos in New Orleans (Female and Black
Incompetent City and State and Federal Management) before the
politically correct but out of control FAA will revert back to technical
qualifications rather than skin color and sex for their critical NAS
jobs. I wonder how long the FAA will be able to hide their massive
hiring and promotion screw ups that have occurred over the last few
years? As the FAA celebrates Gay Pride and hires that manager or
technician because she is black and female regardless of experience or
qualifications(And LIES about it) aircraft get closer. I wonder how much
closer will the aircraft get until WHAM? The items below are not an
anomaly but a systemic indication of a crisis in know how and experience
and management within a TECHNICALLY COMPLEX Government AIR safety
function that is slowly coming unglued.


*1. DALLAS — Air traffic controllers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area
routinely covered up errors and their supervisors failed to investigate
cases that included airplanes flying too close to each other, federal
officials said.

2. LAS VEGAS — A veteran air traffic controller was stripped of tower
duty at McCarran International Airport (search
<javascript:siteSearch('McCarran International Airport');>) while
authorities investigated how two commercial airliners nearly collided on
a runway, officials said Thursday.No one was hurt in the Sept. 22
incident, and more than 100 feet separated the planes in what a Federal
Aviation Administration (search <javascript:siteSearch('Federal Aviation
Administration');>) spokesman characterized as a minor runway incursion
but the airport director, Randall Walker, called a "near-miss.""They
admitted there was a controller error," Walker said. "One plane was
allowed to land where another plane had just crossed."

3. LOS ANGELES — Terror in the skies Tuesday September 27th over
California: Five dangerous passes and at least two near-mid-air
collisions, according to air traffic controllers.One involved a UPS
flight en route to Orange County, Calif., from Louisville, Ky. --
another a Boeing 757 (search
<http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Boeing%20757>
) passenger jet headed to San Diego from Detroit.The incidents occurred
shortly after controllers lost radio contact with 400 aircraft coming in
and out of airports across the West -- when a computer unexpectedly shut
down because technicians forgot to service the computer as required
every 30 days. Because they did not dump the hard drive, the computer
overloaded.The backup system also failed, stopping radio transmissions
to pilots in mid-sentence. Controllers describe the next 13 minutes as
"chaos," as some planes began to converge.So close was one incident, the
onboard collision avoidance alarm sounded, forcing the UPS pilot to go
into an abrupt climb to avoid a private jet below.

4. LOS ANGELES — A communications failure at a Federal Aviation
Administration (search
<http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Federal%20Aviation%20Administration>)
control facility forced some airports in the West to hold flights on the
ground Tuesday afternoon, authorities said.The radio outage occurred at
the Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, in the
desert north of Los Angeles, which controls airspace in California and
parts of Nevada, FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said. She said planes were
grounded at airports in the Los Angeles region, including those in
Orange and San Diego counties, as well as in Las Vegas (search
<http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Las%20Vegas>).Air
traffic controllers could monitor the planes on radar but were not able
to communicate with them, Brown said. Pilots were forced to switch to a
different radio frequency to communicate with other control facilities,
she said.

( I will be sending this to all 100 Senators and most Congressman and
the Media)

[Capt.Doug]

>"NotPoliticallyCorrect" wrote in message As the FAA
> concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
> homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
> celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
> minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
> together.

Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when they read this
passage. It invokes an image of a hate monger. Women and minorities can and
do provide excellent experience levels at numerous FSDOs. Instead, why not
focus on the real problem. With the FAA's contrained budget, its employees
are overloaded in a mountain of work and the experienced people get fed up
and go back to the private sector.

D.

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "CD" == Capt Doug <Capt.Doug> writes:

CD> Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when
CD> they read this passage. It invokes an image of a hate
CD> monger. Women and minorities can and do provide excellent
CD> experience levels at numerous FSDOs. Instead, why not focus on
CD> the real problem. With the FAA's contrained budget, its
CD> employees are overloaded in a mountain of work and the
CD> experienced people get fed up and go back to the private
CD> sector.

I agree with your comment that the take-home message from the OP is
one of racism and bigotry, instead of a constructive message. I
can't speak about the FAA, but the state agency I work for has enough
money; it's paralyzed by too many weak and timid managers, and since
the salaries aren't competitive good, experienced people go elsewhere.

[cjcampbell]

Capt.Doug wrote:
> >"NotPoliticallyCorrect" wrote in message As the FAA
> > concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
> > homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
> > celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
> > minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
> > together.
>
> Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when they read this
> passage. It invokes an image of a hate monger. Women and minorities can and
> do provide excellent experience levels at numerous FSDOs. Instead, why not
> focus on the real problem. With the FAA's contrained budget, its employees
> are overloaded in a mountain of work and the experienced people get fed up
> and go back to the private sector.

I think the OP is complaining that hiring and advancement in the FAA
too often are based on things other than experience, ability and
performance, and that the FAA, like other government agencies, too
often wastes money on things that are not central to its mission.

The OP appears to misplace blame for this situation onto women and
minorities. In fact, lower technical standards and wasted money are
really the symptom, not the cause of the problems there. The real
problem is bad management.

[Morgans]

Remember boys and girls, that this is a troll who monthly (or there-abouts)
posts this message. Let's not make his day by responding every time.
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

It's in the same league as the "Big Bertha Thing blogs" by Tony Lance - set
your clock by it, that's all it's good for.


Montblack

[Gary Drescher]

"Capt.Doug" > wrote in message
...
> >"NotPoliticallyCorrect" wrote in message As the FAA
>> concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
>> homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
>> celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
>> minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
>> together.
>
> Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when they read
> this
> passage. It invokes an image of a hate monger.

Unfortunately, that *is* his intended message. He is not interested in any
real problems with the FAA.

"NotPoliticallyCorrect" > wrote in message
...
> Sadly it appears it will take a huge tragedy and massive loss of human
> life similar to the Hurricane chaos in New Orleans (Female and Black
> Incompetent City and State and Federal Management)

Yeah right. We obviously need a return to the good ole days when straight
white men like Michael Brown were hired strictly on the basis of their
outstanding qualifications.

[NotPoliticallyCorrect]

cjcampbell wrote:

>Capt.Doug wrote:
>
>
>>>"NotPoliticallyCorrect" wrote in message As the FAA
>>>concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
>>>homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
>>>celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
>>>minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
>>>together.
>>>
>>>
>>Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when they read this
>>passage. It invokes an image of a hate monger. Women and minorities can and
>>do provide excellent experience levels at numerous FSDOs. Instead, why not
>>focus on the real problem. With the FAA's contrained budget, its employees
>>are overloaded in a mountain of work and the experienced people get fed up
>>and go back to the private sector.
>>
>>
>
>I think the OP is complaining that hiring and advancement in the FAA
>too often are based on things other than experience, ability and
>performance, and that the FAA, like other government agencies, too
>often wastes money on things that are not central to its mission.
>
>The OP appears to misplace blame for this situation onto women and
>minorities. In fact, lower technical standards and wasted money are
>really the symptom, not the cause of the problems there. The real
>problem is bad management.
>
>
>
You are correct sir. While people focus on ignoring the "race" and "sex"
the facts and shooting the messenger
or labeling them "racist" etc. the facts are this.

Most of the management now in the FAA is something other than
"hetrosexual white males"
The FAA is in crisis precisely for the reason you mention. Loss of
mission focus and bad incompetent management.
Politically Correct hiring is more important than air safety in the new
FAA. I know personally
of a high level FAA manager in the Atlanta area who is black that can't
spell. A man that is
making over 6 figures on your TAX DIME who is unable to spell or write.
You know the chaos in New Orleans with the "Black" mayor?
The FAA is just like that on a bigger scale. Most of the experienced
white males have left or are so ****ed and demoralized
that the mission is slowly degrading. It is a crisis that will manifest
in tragedy if not corrected soon.

Read this again and study it. Get used to it. It will get worse

Terror in the skies Tuesday September 27th over California: Five
dangerous passes and at least two near-mid-air collisions, according to
air traffic controllers.One involved a UPS flight en route to Orange
County, Calif., from Louisville, Ky. -- another a Boeing 757 (search er
jet headed to San Diego from Detroit.The incidents occurred shortly
after controllers lost radio contact with 400 aircraft coming in and out
of airports across the West -- when a computer unexpectedly shut down
because technicians forgot to service the computer as required every 30
days. Because they did not dump the hard drive, the computer
overloaded.The backup system also failed, stopping radio transmissions
to pilots in mid-sentence. Controllers describe the next 13 minutes as
"chaos," as some planes began to converge.So close was one incident, the
onboard collision avoidance alarm sounded, forcing the UPS pilot to go
into an abrupt climb to avoid a private jet below.

[Steve Foley]

Most of the population of the planet is something other than "hetrosexual
white males"

You forgot to mention the race of the technician who forgot to service the
computer. Why? In fact, your story doesn't seem to support your position at
all.

"NotPoliticallyCorrect" > wrote in message
...

> Most of the management now in the FAA is something other than "hetrosexual
white males"

[NotPoliticallyCorrect]

Steve Foley wrote:

>Most of the population of the planet is something other than "hetrosexual
>white males"
>
>You forgot to mention the race of the technician who forgot to service the
>computer. Why? In fact, your story doesn't seem to support your position at
>all.
>
>"NotPoliticallyCorrect" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
>>Most of the management now in the FAA is something other than "hetrosexual
>>
>>
>white males"
>
>
>
>
You are completely missing the point. You are hiding behind the race
card and shooting the messenger.

1. The FAA was formed in 1958 by primarily white technical males from
engineering colleges and the military.
The FAA operates the National Airspace System. The FAA is a highly
complex 24/7 function. During the Clinton
administration, a massive push to hire anything but white males came
along. Since Clinton took office, most white males have been
belittled and run off. In other words over night a politically correct
edict came out to get rid of white males. The FAA was BUILT
by white males. White males have traditionally been the backbone of our
technical organizations. You can't change that overnight.

2. Diversity and different ideas is a good thing when APPLIED PROPERLY.
You don't fill a job based on sex or race in a critical safety
of flight job you hire the best. If the FAA "wanted the best" why do
they refuse to use a NUMBERED BID SYSTEM?????

3. A NUMBERED BID SYSTEM would make sure (And this applies to NASA, FBI
etc. also) that only the BEST are hired. There is no bias.
There is no social engineering or favoritism. The person doing the
hiring has no idea of the sex, age, race of the applicant.

4. Why not? Because it would upset "Diversity" goals. And that goal is
to hire women and blacks at all cost REGARDLESS of the safety or
work impact with a LEFT OVER OUTDATED CLINTON Administration edict. If
the FAA is so adamant about hiring the best as stated in public
and in writing, why are they afraid of a NUMBERED BID SYSTEM???

I am not racist or sexist. I have a daughter and a wife and black
friends. My family doctor is BLACK. However, when I am flying in a metal
tube
going 600 miles an hour or my family, the person up front and the people
on the ground need to be THE BEST

Affirmative Action and Diversity is destroying America, NASA, the FBI,
the FAA and our Government. IT IS WRONG

If 10 jobs come open on a NUMBERED BID SYSTEM and they are filled by all
black females, so be it.
They are qualified. But when you hire JUST to meet a QUOTA you DO NOT
get the best.

Example. When the edict came down back in the early 90's during the Al
Gore re-inventing Government, blacks and women
continued to flunk out of the FAA Academy. Some of the schools I
attended in the FAA Academy were similar to high level college
engineering and physics courses. What was the solution?? LOWER THE STANDARDS

I personally witnessed 2 people flunk out of the FAA Academy. One was
Black (Female) and one was White (Male)
The white male was fired. The Black Female was not only "Accommodated"
in a lesser technical job, she continued on to management
and a high paying job.

Is that right? Do you promote fairness in an organization like that?

IF?? the FAA is serious about SAFETY, they will go to a NUMBERED BID
SYSTEM for all their critical safety functions
It WILL take public pressure for that to happen however. It WILL NOT
come from within the FAA because the mediocrity is firmly entrenched

I have no idea what the sex or race of the recent incidents were.
However, I know what the FAA is now. I spent
27 years with them. It is serious and a dangerous situation. A numbered
bid system is the only fix. As long as diversity
and affirmative action poisons critical Government jobs, the chaos like
New Orleans and the near disaster in LA and Las Vegas
will continue. Until one day WHAM. Lot's of DEAD people.

[Steve Foley]

"NotPoliticallyCorrect" > wrote in message
...
> You are hiding behind the race
> card and shooting the messenger.

Because the messenger is a racist!


> I am not racist

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.............

[john smith]

> 4. Why not? Because it would upset "Diversity" goals. And that goal is
> to hire women and blacks at all cost REGARDLESS of the safety or
> work impact with a LEFT OVER OUTDATED CLINTON Administration edict. If
> the FAA is so adamant about hiring the best as stated in public
> and in writing, why are they afraid of a NUMBERED BID SYSTEM???

You suppose this is the background reason the Bush administration is
trying to contract out all the government services?
What kind of organizations do you suppose have the resources to win the
contracts?

:-))

[Pesky Irritant]

NotPoliticallyCorrect > wrote:
> As the FAA
> concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
> homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
> celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
> minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
> together. The FAA is crumbling bit by bit while the "feel good"
> programs flourish.

Look, nitwit troll, if you wanted to start a genuine debate, you wouldn't
revel in misogynistic and racist tripe to intro your posts. But you
wouldn't know how to engage in genuine honest debate if it bit you on your
fat white hairy ass.

Now attend carefully idiot: statistics show a general DECLINE in accidents
- but you're clearly a troll, racist, misogynist, or some combination of
those, so of course you'll vomit garbage. Hell, following your screwed up
reasoning, it looks like the "feel good" politics are resulting in a
decline in aircraft accidents! How's them apples bubba?

> FAA Management screwing over their dedicated union
> members is not helpful toward good workforce morale either.

Unions are for morons, like you, who can't hold their jobs without
coercion.

> *1. DALLAS — Air traffic controllers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area
> routinely covered up errors and their supervisors failed to
> investigate cases that included airplanes flying too close to each
> other, federal officials said.

Race and gender not specified. Connection to "feel good politics": non
sequitor. Anecdotal evidence.

> 2. LAS VEGAS — A veteran air traffic controller was stripped of tower

Blah blah blah. Same nonsense as in first anecdote, repeated ad nauseum.
Your point, bozo?

> ( I will be sending this to all 100 Senators and most Congressman and
> the Media)

I'm sure they need a good laugh now and then from bozos like you.
So have you stopped wearing the big red nose?

[cjcampbell]

NotPoliticallyCorrect wrote:
> cjcampbell wrote:
>
> >Capt.Doug wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>"NotPoliticallyCorrect" wrote in message As the FAA
> >>>concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
> >>>homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
> >>>celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
> >>>minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
> >>>together.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Unfortunately, your message will be lost on most people when they read this
> >>passage. It invokes an image of a hate monger. Women and minorities can and
> >>do provide excellent experience levels at numerous FSDOs. Instead, why not
> >>focus on the real problem. With the FAA's contrained budget, its employees
> >>are overloaded in a mountain of work and the experienced people get fed up
> >>and go back to the private sector.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I think the OP is complaining that hiring and advancement in the FAA
> >too often are based on things other than experience, ability and
> >performance, and that the FAA, like other government agencies, too
> >often wastes money on things that are not central to its mission.
> >
> >The OP appears to misplace blame for this situation onto women and
> >minorities. In fact, lower technical standards and wasted money are
> >really the symptom, not the cause of the problems there. The real
> >problem is bad management.
> >
> >
> >
> You are correct sir. While people focus on ignoring the "race" and "sex"
> the facts and shooting the messenger
> or labeling them "racist" etc. the facts are this.
>
> Most of the management now in the FAA is something other than
> "hetrosexual white males"
> The FAA is in crisis precisely for the reason you mention. Loss of
> mission focus and bad incompetent management.

Unfortunately for your argument, it appears that you also are
interested in focusing on things other than ability, performance and
experience.

[Morgans]

"Pesky Irritant" > wrote
>
> I'm sure they need a good laugh now and then from bozos like you.
> So have you stopped wearing the big red nose?

The laugh is on you, for responding. That is what trolls live for.

[Matt Barrow]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
>> 4. Why not? Because it would upset "Diversity" goals. And that goal is
>> to hire women and blacks at all cost REGARDLESS of the safety or
>> work impact with a LEFT OVER OUTDATED CLINTON Administration edict. If
>> the FAA is so adamant about hiring the best as stated in public
>> and in writing, why are they afraid of a NUMBERED BID SYSTEM???
>
> You suppose this is the background reason the Bush administration is
> trying to contract out all the government services?
> What kind of organizations do you suppose have the resources to win the
> contracts?
>
> :-))

Any company that won a government (FAA) contract would have to have the same
Affirmative Action rules in place that the FAA has.

The US has given up being a meritocracy (a very distinguishing American
characteristic) LONG ago.

When government fails, the cry is not to scrap it and build anew, it's to
give even more money and resources. In the present form of cronyism, the
same status afflicts the world of commerce (HP being a most obvious
example).


--
Matt

---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Matt Barrow]

"Pesky Irritant" > wrote in message
...
> NotPoliticallyCorrect > wrote:
>> As the FAA
>> concentrates on feel good politics and women and minorities and
>> homosexuals and GLOBE meetings and TWO conferences and Gay Pride
>> celebrations and lowering standards at the FAA Academy so women and
>> minorities can pass TECHNICAL courses aircraft come closer and closer
>> together. The FAA is crumbling bit by bit while the "feel good"
>> programs flourish.
>
> Look, nitwit troll, if you wanted to start a genuine debate, you wouldn't
> revel in misogynistic and racist tripe to intro your posts. But you
> wouldn't know how to engage in genuine honest debate if it bit you on your
> fat white hairy ass.

Hmmm...for all the faults in his terminology, you show even less capacity
for anything beyond adolescent name calling.

One who phrases poorly and a response from a brick-brain engaging in
childish rationalizing.

Now wonder America is so ****ed up!!!

[Gary Drescher]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> Any company that won a government (FAA) contract would have to have the
> same Affirmative Action rules in place that the FAA has.
>
> The US has given up being a meritocracy (a very distinguishing American
> characteristic) LONG ago.

America went from slavery to segregation to affirmative action. At which
point along that path did we "give up" on meritocracy, in your surreal
opinion?

[john smith]

> Hmmm...for all the faults in his terminology, you show even less capacity
> for anything beyond adolescent name calling.
> One who phrases poorly and a response from a brick-brain engaging in
> childish rationalizing.
> Now wonder America is so ****ed up!!!

How did we get to the Department of Education?
I thought this thread was about the FAA?

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:04:26 -0400, NotPoliticallyCorrect
> wrote in
>::

>( I will be sending this to all 100 Senators and most Congressman and
>the Media)

Don't forget to include this:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22anne+whiteman%22+%2Bfaa&ei=UTF-8&n=10&fl=0&xargs=0&pstart=1&fr=fp-top&b=11

What prevents Anne Whiteman from filing a grievance with the
controllers' union? Doesn't the union police its ranks?

[Bret Ludwig]

The point is simple.

There are nonwhites, and females, who are competent and qualified, and
they should have an equal shot at the positions available. If they
should not have a LESSER, or NONEXISTENT, chance they should not have a
GREATER, or EXCLUSIVE chance either.

People should be chosen strictly with regard to ability, experience,
qualifications, competence and good character.

In most technical positions that will result in an overwhelming
percentage of males and most of those will be white, with some Asians,
Indians (India Indians, not American Indians), and so forth. American
Blacks will be underrepresented, because the reality is what it is: a
disproportionate share of Black males have felony or drug convictions,
making them ineligible for federal employment.

If that's racist (I don't think it is), then reality is racist. Ditto
with sexism. Most women are just not inclined towards being mechanics
-some are, and of those some do quite well, but numbers are numbers.