Flying to Maryland Shore

[Viperdoc]

Does anyone have any experience flying across the Washingon ADIZ?

I'm coming from the Midwest to the Eastern shore of Maryland next week,
which requires crossing Washington's ADIZ and B airspace.

I'll be under IFR, but I was wondering whether they sent IFR traffic around
the big ADIZ or through? If I have to go around, it'll most likely mean a
gas stop.

TIA.

[Denny]

If you are IFR you will be routed by ATC when you get near Washington,
likely right through the ADIZ... Sit back and enjoy the ride...

denny

[Peter Clark]

On 30 Sep 2005 08:55:21 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:

>If you are IFR you will be routed by ATC when you get near Washington,
>likely right through the ADIZ... Sit back and enjoy the ride...

Just cuz I'm curious (haven't read the NOTAMs so don't know), I know
you have to call a specific FSS and file an "adiz plan" if you're VFR
and going through the area, but if you're coming in IFR do you just
file a normal IFR plan and the airspace is transparent, just like any
other IFR plan automatically deals with going through non-E airspace?

[John T]

Viperdoc wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience flying across the Washingon ADIZ?

Quite a bit. :)

> I'll be under IFR, but I was wondering whether they sent IFR traffic
> around the big ADIZ or through? If I have to go around, it'll most
> likely mean a gas stop.

The ADIZ is mostly transparent to IFR pilots since the ADIZ requirements
(two-way comms with ATC, unique transponder code, flight plan) already
apply. There is the smaller FRZ (~15 mile radius) inside the ADIZ which you
will not be allowed into (unless you know the secret handshake), but that's
a much smaller detour than swinging around the ADIZ.

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[Ron Natalie]

Peter Clark wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2005 08:55:21 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:
>
>
>>If you are IFR you will be routed by ATC when you get near Washington,
>>likely right through the ADIZ... Sit back and enjoy the ride...
>
>
> Just cuz I'm curious (haven't read the NOTAMs so don't know), I know
> you have to call a specific FSS and file an "adiz plan" if you're VFR]

You don't have to call any particular FSS. However, the further away
from DC your ADIZ is, the less likely they are to know how to do it
right.

[Ron Natalie]

John T wrote:
> Viperdoc wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have any experience flying across the Washingon ADIZ?
>
>
> Quite a bit. :)
>
>
>>I'll be under IFR, but I was wondering whether they sent IFR traffic
>>around the big ADIZ or through? If I have to go around, it'll most
>>likely mean a gas stop.
>
>
> The ADIZ is mostly transparent to IFR pilots since the ADIZ requirements
> (two-way comms with ATC, unique transponder code, flight plan) already
> apply.

The one thing that applies is that you MUST file your IFR plan with the
FSS. DUATS is not technically permitted IFR or VFR for ADIZ travel.

[Michelle P]

Weather you have to fly around or through will depend more on the time
of day or day of week not the the type of plan. It will depend of on the
controllers load of "big iron".
You only have to file with specific FSS if you are going to penetrate
the FRZ. You only need to file an IFR plan with an FSS.
Michelle

Viperdoc wrote:

>Does anyone have any experience flying across the Washingon ADIZ?
>
>I'm coming from the Midwest to the Eastern shore of Maryland next week,
>which requires crossing Washington's ADIZ and B airspace.
>
>I'll be under IFR, but I was wondering whether they sent IFR traffic around
>the big ADIZ or through? If I have to go around, it'll most likely mean a
>gas stop.
>
>TIA.
>
>
>
>

[john smith]

In article t>,
Michelle P > wrote:

> Weather you have to fly around or through will depend more on the time
> of day or day of week not the the type of plan.

That is true. I have flown around weather, I have flown through weather,
but never was I aware that "weather" followed any man made schedule?

[[email protected]]

Ron Natalie wrote:

>
> The one thing that applies is that you MUST file your IFR plan with the
> FSS. DUATS is not technically permitted IFR or VFR for ADIZ travel.

Never had that problem. I always file IFR plans that terminate or
transit through the ADIZ on DUATS. Never been a problem. I believe
you have to use FSS for flights originating in the ADIZ.

[Ron Natalie]

wrote:
> Ron Natalie wrote:
>
>
>>The one thing that applies is that you MUST file your IFR plan with the
>>FSS. DUATS is not technically permitted IFR or VFR for ADIZ travel.
>
>
> Never had that problem. I always file IFR plans that terminate or
> transit through the ADIZ on DUATS. Never been a problem. I believe
> you have to use FSS for flights originating in the ADIZ.
>
It's not an issue of whether you have had a problem. The "so-called"
rules say it must be filed with the FSS. Sure, chances are you're
not going to have a problem unless SOMETHING ELSE goes wrong and then
they decide to string you up for not following the stated procedure.

[Viperdoc]

Well, finally made the trip to the Eastern shore of Maryland- it was 3.8
hours out, all IMC on the way there, and nearly 4 hours of solid IMC on the
way back. I was sent over Baltimore and then to the final destination, so
the routing was nowhere near DCA or Andrews. Potomac approach was very
courteous and helpful, despite being busy with approaches into Reagan and
the low weather.

The return trip had low ceilings everywhere on the East coast all the way
into Ohio, and it was reassuring having nexrad, onboard radar, and the
second engine. Even picked up some ice on the way into Wisconsin, so it was
a pretty good learning experience.

Thanks to all for the advice.


"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> Does anyone have any experience flying across the Washingon ADIZ?
>
> I'm coming from the Midwest to the Eastern shore of Maryland next week,
> which requires crossing Washington's ADIZ and B airspace.
>
> I'll be under IFR, but I was wondering whether they sent IFR traffic
> around the big ADIZ or through? If I have to go around, it'll most likely
> mean a gas stop.
>
> TIA.
>