FAA approves O'Hare expansion plan

[Hilton]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/09/30/ohare.expansion.ap/index.html

"The plan drew intense criticism from some, largely because the 440-acre
expansion requires the city to buy and raze more than 500 homes, displacing
about 2,600 residents, and move nearly 200 businesses and a cemetery with
1,300 tombs dating back to the 1800s.

Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis by
the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion over
nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.

Critics say the city has exaggerated the project's benefits and
underestimated its cost. In July, the Transportation Department also said
the cost estimate was low."

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
> that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.

You need to look both those terms up. He is clearly neither.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Jay Honeck]

>> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
>> that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>
> You need to look both those terms up. He is clearly neither.

You don't think that a guy who believes that he needs a permanent ADIZ
around Chicago isn't paranoid?

You don't think that a guy who both bulldozes *and* expands airports is
schizophrenic?

You need to find another dictionary.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> You don't think that a guy who believes that he needs a permanent ADIZ
> around Chicago isn't paranoid?

Paranoia is defined as an unreasonable fear of persecution, usually because of
an unjustifiably high estimate of his own importance. Daley has exhibited neither.

> You don't think that a guy who both bulldozes *and* expands airports is
> schizophrenic?

Schizophrenia is an inability to deal with the real world. The most common
symptom is withdrawal, but that's not usually how a paranoid schizophrenic
reacts. Paranoid Schizophrenics usually exhibit unfocussed anxiety, anger,
argumentativeness, and violence. Often a stilted, formal quality or extreme
intensity in interpersonal interaction is noted. Daley does none of this. Daley
has given plenty of evidence that he can deal with the world just fine. If
anything, it is the world that has problems dealing with Daley.

> You need to find another dictionary.

You need to buy your first one. Or perhaps learn to read it.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Matt Whiting]

George Patterson wrote:

> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to
>> say that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>
>
> You need to look both those terms up. He is clearly neither.

True, he's more of a psychopath.


Matt

[Dave Stadt]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> George Patterson wrote:
>
> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> >
> >> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to
> >> say that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
> >
> >
> > You need to look both those terms up. He is clearly neither.
>
> True, he's more of a psychopath.
>
>
> Matt

He's just a little short guy on a power trip. If they ever lose the platform
that gets carried around so he can see over the podium he will be powerless.

[Dave Stadt]

"Hilton" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/09/30/ohare.expansion.ap/index.html
>
> "The plan drew intense criticism from some, largely because the 440-acre
> expansion requires the city to buy and raze more than 500 homes,
displacing
> about 2,600 residents, and move nearly 200 businesses and a cemetery with
> 1,300 tombs dating back to the 1800s.
>
> Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
> speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis
by
> the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion over
> nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.
>
> Critics say the city has exaggerated the project's benefits and
> underestimated its cost. In July, the Transportation Department also said
> the cost estimate was low."

The project was shut down a couple of hours after it was begun when
surrounding communities took their concerns to federal court. They have
managed to kill 4 previous expansion projects and are going for number 5.

[Nathan Young]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:10:02 GMT, "Hilton" > wrote:

>http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/09/30/ohare.expansion.ap/index.html
>
>"The plan drew intense criticism from some, largely because the 440-acre
>expansion requires the city to buy and raze more than 500 homes, displacing
>about 2,600 residents, and move nearly 200 businesses and a cemetery with
>1,300 tombs dating back to the 1800s.
>
>Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
>speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis by
>the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion over
>nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.

I am absolutely astonished over the pricetag for this expansion.
There has to be a better way for the City of Chicago to spend $15B.

Having said that - as a Chicago area resident - I would love to see a
Western vehicle/passenger entrance to the airport, and more gates.
Nearly every delay I encounter at ORD is related to lack of gates, and
planes getting sent to the penalty box as a result.

[Dave Stadt]

"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:10:02 GMT, "Hilton" > wrote:
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/09/30/ohare.expansion.ap/index.html
> >
> >"The plan drew intense criticism from some, largely because the 440-acre
> >expansion requires the city to buy and raze more than 500 homes,
displacing
> >about 2,600 residents, and move nearly 200 businesses and a cemetery with
> >1,300 tombs dating back to the 1800s.
> >
> >Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
> >speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis
by
> >the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion over
> >nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.
>
> I am absolutely astonished over the pricetag for this expansion.
> There has to be a better way for the City of Chicago to spend $15B.
>
> Having said that - as a Chicago area resident - I would love to see a
> Western vehicle/passenger entrance to the airport, and more gates.
> Nearly every delay I encounter at ORD is related to lack of gates, and
> planes getting sent to the penalty box as a result.

I thought a west entrance was part of the plan. How they will get you to
the east side I don't know.

[r. mutt]

Well, maybe "paranoid schizophrenic" is a bit strong but certainly he is
drunk with power and on the make.


"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:WDm%e.370$Wb3.186@trndny04...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
>> that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>
> You need to look both those terms up. He is clearly neither.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
> neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[[email protected]]

>>>"The plan drew intense criticism from some, largely because....and move a cemetery with 1,300 tombs dating back to the 1800s.<<<

Ooooh. Anybody remember the movie Poltergeist? I see an opportunity
here for a sequel <grin>

[John Larson]

Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone or anything Honeck?

John


On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:50:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
>> speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis
>> by the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion
>> over nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.
>
>In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
>that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>
>And that's on a *good* day.

[George Patterson]

John Larson wrote:

> Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone or anything Honeck?

Sure. Take a look at his posts about flying and anyone who likes it. For
example, check out the thread entitled "Airport Cafe."

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Capt.Doug]

>Dave Stadt" wrote in message
> The project was shut down a couple of hours after it was begun when
> surrounding communities took their concerns to federal court. They have
> managed to kill 4 previous expansion projects and are going for number 5.

It hope they win again. F**K Daley!

D.

[Capt.Doug]

>"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
> I thought a west entrance was part of the plan. How they will get you to
> the east side I don't know.

The plan also includes 4 parallel runways with 2 perpendicular runways.
Howling crosswinds with icy runways just got more fun......

D.

[Jay Honeck]

> Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone or anything Honeck?

Um, sure.

Why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Nathan Young]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:02:49 GMT, "Dave Stadt" >
wrote:


>> Having said that - as a Chicago area resident - I would love to see a
>> Western vehicle/passenger entrance to the airport, and more gates.
>> Nearly every delay I encounter at ORD is related to lack of gates, and
>> planes getting sent to the penalty box as a result.
>
>I thought a west entrance was part of the plan. How they will get you to
>the east side I don't know.

As long as it doesn't involved the stupid shuttle thingys that Dulles
uses, I will be happy.

[[email protected]]

Nathan Young wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:02:49 GMT, "Dave Stadt" >
> wrote:
>
>
> >> Having said that - as a Chicago area resident - I would love to see a
> >> Western vehicle/passenger entrance to the airport, and more gates.
> >> Nearly every delay I encounter at ORD is related to lack of gates, and
> >> planes getting sent to the penalty box as a result.
> >
> >I thought a west entrance was part of the plan. How they will get you to
> >the east side I don't know.
>
> As long as it doesn't involved the stupid shuttle thingys that Dulles
> uses, I will be happy.

Talk of extending the People Mover, or shuttle buses. But first its
the lawyers turn to get rich. I expect most of the parallel runways to
be built, and maybe the southern most rr will be dropped. That one
would eat up parts of Bensenville.

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> > Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it would
> > speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit analysis
> > by the city projected that the project would save more than $12 billion
> > over nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.
>
> In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
> that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.

Nothing schizo at all. 99.999 percent of the residents fly commercial,
and
the flight numbers grow each year. Even with no growth, the benefit
from
reduced weather delays is nation-wide.

JG

[Dave Stadt]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> > > Mayor Richard M. Daley has long pushed to expand O'Hare, saying it
would
> > > speed up air travel throughout the United States. A cost-benefit
analysis
> > > by the city projected that the project would save more than $12
billion
> > > over nearly two decades by reducing passenger and aircraft delays.
> >
> > In light of what he's done with/to airports in Chicago, it's safe to say
> > that Daley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>
> Nothing schizo at all. 99.999 percent of the residents fly commercial,
> and
> the flight numbers grow each year. Even with no growth, the benefit
> from
> reduced weather delays is nation-wide.
>
> JG

If you want to reduce weather delays don't use O'Hare as the major hub in
the country. Whoever came up with that idea should have to spend the rest
of their life with Daley.