How many Javelin Ford V6s actually flew/are flying?

[Bret Ludwig]

A pretty self-explanatory question....

[Ron Wanttaja]

There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which about 40
are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes listed
with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and "*JAV*" as
search terms).

There are about 14 airplanes registered with variations of "V6" and
"STOL"...some of which are included above, but a bit less than half are listed
merely with an experimental engine.

There are about 3600 total homebuilts that are listed with an experimental
engine, but the aircraft types mostly preclude their being powered by the V-6
engine (e.g., lots of Avids, Kitfoxes, etc.). There are also about 275
homebuilts with no listing of engine type (mostly ultralight-type designs).

This was from the January 2005 FAA aircraft registration database.

Ron Wanttaja

[Bret Ludwig]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which about 40
> are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes listed
> with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and "*JAV*" as
> search terms).
Just out of curiosity...and now that Dave has passed on ;-)...how many
with Chevy power? (He had a pathological resentment of General Motors,
as you may know.)

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 3 Oct 2005 18:47:16 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" > wrote:

>
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> > There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which about 40
> > are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes listed
> > with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and "*JAV*" as
> > search terms).
> Just out of curiosity...and now that Dave has passed on ;-)...how many
> with Chevy power? (He had a pathological resentment of General Motors,
> as you may know.)

Strangely enough, I don't find any registered with Chevrolet engines. Those
that are flying are probably listed with just an experimental engines or have
the field blank.

I do see six listed with Oldsmobiles.

Ron Wanttaja

[[email protected]]

On 3 Oct 2005 13:48:20 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" >
wrote:

> A pretty self-explanatory question....

Bruce Frank would have the mostly definative answer, since he
published the Ford V6 STOL newsletter and has been in touch with many
who were using the engine.

I thought I saw it in writing somewhere in something he told me that
the number was over 3 or 4 hundred but I think it will be very
difficult to nail down an accurate figure.

I sold my Ford to a guy in Detroit who is planning to put it in his
Bearhawk.

Guess I'll be listing the frame and wings in ebay soon.

Corky Scott

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:32:48 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:

>On 3 Oct 2005 18:47:16 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" > wrote:
>
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> > There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which about 40
>> > are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes listed
>> > with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and "*JAV*" as
>> > search terms).
>> Just out of curiosity...and now that Dave has passed on ;-)...how many
>> with Chevy power? (He had a pathological resentment of General Motors,
>> as you may know.)
>
>Strangely enough, I don't find any registered with Chevrolet engines. Those
>that are flying are probably listed with just an experimental engines or have
>the field blank.


Don't forget - Numerous Chevy CORVAIR engines flying
>
>I do see six listed with Oldsmobiles.
>
>Ron Wanttaja

[stol]

When I sent in my paperwork to the FAA in Okla it was printed very
clear that there was a Ford V-8 in my plane. They somehow registered
the motor used in it as " UNKNOWN". I don't know if this was a
mistake on their part or the way they wanted to show it in the
database.There is no way in hell I will try to correct the info cause
that will screw up the works for sure. Kinda makes one wonder how many
other things are not listed properly......

Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com




Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which about 40
> are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes listed
> with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and "*JAV*" as
> search terms).
>
> There are about 14 airplanes registered with variations of "V6" and
> "STOL"...some of which are included above, but a bit less than half are listed
> merely with an experimental engine.
>
> There are about 3600 total homebuilts that are listed with an experimental
> engine, but the aircraft types mostly preclude their being powered by the V-6
> engine (e.g., lots of Avids, Kitfoxes, etc.). There are also about 275
> homebuilts with no listing of engine type (mostly ultralight-type designs).
>
> This was from the January 2005 FAA aircraft registration database.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

[Cy Galley]

How about a 3 place CUB? The FAA data base is full of errors. It is getting
better because of internet accessibility.
-
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot

"stol" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> When I sent in my paperwork to the FAA in Okla it was printed very
> clear that there was a Ford V-8 in my plane. They somehow registered
> the motor used in it as " UNKNOWN". I don't know if this was a
> mistake on their part or the way they wanted to show it in the
> database.There is no way in hell I will try to correct the info cause
> that will screw up the works for sure. Kinda makes one wonder how many
> other things are not listed properly......
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
>
>
>
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> There are about 110 US airplanes registered with Ford engines, of which
>> about 40
>> are Pietenpols that probably carry a Model A. A search for airplanes
>> listed
>> with "Blanton" or "Javelin" engines came up blank (with "*BLAN*" and
>> "*JAV*" as
>> search terms).
>>
>> There are about 14 airplanes registered with variations of "V6" and
>> "STOL"...some of which are included above, but a bit less than half are
>> listed
>> merely with an experimental engine.
>>
>> There are about 3600 total homebuilts that are listed with an
>> experimental
>> engine, but the aircraft types mostly preclude their being powered by the
>> V-6
>> engine (e.g., lots of Avids, Kitfoxes, etc.). There are also about 275
>> homebuilts with no listing of engine type (mostly ultralight-type
>> designs).
>>
>> This was from the January 2005 FAA aircraft registration database.
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:04:04 -0400, wrote:

> >Strangely enough, I don't find any registered with Chevrolet engines. Those
> >that are flying are probably listed with just an experimental engines or have
> >the field blank.
>
> Don't forget - Numerous Chevy CORVAIR engines flying

No argument. I'm only summarizing what the FAA registration database says.
Even William Wynne's Corvair-powered Zenith is listed as having an "unknown"
engine, in the FAA database.

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 4 Oct 2005 17:36:24 -0700, "stol" > wrote:

> When I sent in my paperwork to the FAA in Okla it was printed very
> clear that there was a Ford V-8 in my plane. They somehow registered
> the motor used in it as " UNKNOWN". I don't know if this was a
> mistake on their part or the way they wanted to show it in the
> database.There is no way in hell I will try to correct the info cause
> that will screw up the works for sure. Kinda makes one wonder how many
> other things are not listed properly......

In my experience, lots. There's a B-17 listed as amateur-built, there are
planes like Avid Flyers listed as standard category. There are planes listed as
not having received their airworthiness certificates that have been flying
(legally) for ten years, and there are planes listed as HAVING them that haven't
flown yet.

Still, in aggregate, it's probably not too bad. People make mistakes, and the
only time it really matters is when you're trying to chase down what is a small
subset of aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja

[RST Engineering]

Or when it is YOUR aircraft ... and The Man is standing there with a nasty
look on his face.

{;-)


Jim



>
> Still, in aggregate, it's probably not too bad. People make mistakes, and
> the
> only time it really matters is when you're trying to chase down what is a
> small
> subset of aircraft.

[Jonathan Lowe]

> On 3 Oct 2005 13:48:20 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" >
> wrote:
>
> > A pretty self-explanatory question....
>
> Bruce Frank would have the mostly definative answer, since he
> published the Ford V6 STOL newsletter and has been in touch with many
>
> I sold my Ford to a guy in Detroit who is planning to put it in his
> Bearhawk.
>
> Guess I'll be listing the frame and wings in ebay soon.

Well having followed some of the progress in the development of your engine
I sorry to hear that it mooved on.:-(
--
..
..
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe,
Rallye 100
EI-BFR

>
> Corky Scott

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:06:24 +0100, "Jonathan Lowe"
> wrote:

>Well having followed some of the progress in the development of your engine
>I sorry to hear that it mooved on.:-(

I appreciate the sentiment Jonathan but it's found a good home. The
fuselage and wings have now been sold and hopefully will get finished
and the airplane flown. It's been a really nice ride and I've learned
a lot of stuff that I will not forget. Plus, now that the shop will
have the fuselage removed, I get to buy neat woodworking machinery,
the kind of stuff I've drooled about for years.

Corky Scott