Maule has no performance?

[Robert M. Gary]

After spending a frustrated hour out at the CAP plane trying to finish
my questionnaire I finally called the aircraft manager asking where the
performance section to the POH went. Amazingly the Maule has none,
nothing nada. Not even expected cruise speed or fuel burn info. This
isn't some J-3 classic aircraft, this plane is a youngster but the FAA
apparently didn't ask them for any performance information. I guess
that makes the written CAP exam easier. :)

-Robert

[Michael]

> This
> isn't some J-3 classic aircraft, this plane is a youngster but the FAA
> apparently didn't ask them for any performance information.

Check out your POH. Note that it has sections that are FAA approved,
and sections that are not. Performance is not. If it's not FAA
approved, it's not FAA required. I hear Maule does it that way to keep
lawsuits down.

Michael

[Maule Driver]

That's what Ray Maule told me when I was down flying with him. If it's
not required, it's not there. Limit liability where you can seems to be
the motto.

Never missed it either.

Michael wrote:
>>This
>>isn't some J-3 classic aircraft, this plane is a youngster but the FAA
>>apparently didn't ask them for any performance information.
>
>
> Check out your POH. Note that it has sections that are FAA approved,
> and sections that are not. Performance is not. If it's not FAA
> approved, it's not FAA required. I hear Maule does it that way to keep
> lawsuits down.
>
> Michael
>

[Robert M. Gary]

I guess as a Maule driver you haven't missed it but as a CAP pilot who
seems the Maule as one of a number of planes on the ramp, it would be
good to know how speed/fuel burn to expect when you hop in. :)

-Robert

[Maule Driver]

I guess it would.

FWIW, In my 180HP fixed pitch MX7180a I flight plan 10gph (conservative,
I can do anything with that assumption). I get 9 GPH with 1 hour or
greater leg and 1 TO and 1 Landing. I can get 8.1 by aggressive
leaning, flying over 7000feet on a 4 hour+ leg. All assume 2500rpm.

I guess with the CAP setup, a chief pilot will have to put together a
performance sheet for use by the group. Of course the liability for the
figures would lie with .....

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I guess as a Maule driver you haven't missed it but as a CAP pilot who
> seems the Maule as one of a number of planes on the ramp, it would be
> good to know how speed/fuel burn to expect when you hop in. :)
>
> -Robert
>

[Michelle P]

For a 235 Hp Maule (M-7-235B 80 gallons on board) you can figure 12
Gal/Tach hour or 15 Gal/flight hour. This gives me 7 tach hours or 5
flight hours till dry tanks. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
without stopping with a favorable tail wind. I lean to about 12.6 to
13.0 depending on the CHTs.
Michelle

Maule Driver wrote:

> I guess it would.
>
> FWIW, In my 180HP fixed pitch MX7180a I flight plan 10gph
> (conservative, I can do anything with that assumption). I get 9 GPH
> with 1 hour or greater leg and 1 TO and 1 Landing. I can get 8.1 by
> aggressive leaning, flying over 7000feet on a 4 hour+ leg. All assume
> 2500rpm.
>
> I guess with the CAP setup, a chief pilot will have to put together a
> performance sheet for use by the group. Of course the liability for
> the figures would lie with .....
>
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>
>> I guess as a Maule driver you haven't missed it but as a CAP pilot who
>> seems the Maule as one of a number of planes on the ramp, it would be
>> good to know how speed/fuel burn to expect when you hop in. :)
>>
>> -Robert
>>

[George Patterson]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> After spending a frustrated hour out at the CAP plane trying to finish
> my questionnaire I finally called the aircraft manager asking where the
> performance section to the POH went. Amazingly the Maule has none,
> nothing nada. Not even expected cruise speed or fuel burn info. This
> isn't some J-3 classic aircraft, this plane is a youngster but the FAA
> apparently didn't ask them for any performance information. I guess
> that makes the written CAP exam easier. :)

You can find a limited amount of performance data at the Maule Air web site.
http://www.mauleairinc.com/Our_Planes

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Brad Salai]

"Michelle P" > wrote in message
ink.net...

....
.. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
> without stopping with a favorable tail wind.

I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get it.
You better brace yourself!

Brad

[Mike Weller]

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:24:14 GMT, "Brad Salai"
> wrote:

>
>"Michelle P" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
>...
>. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
>> without stopping with a favorable tail wind.
>
>I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get it.
>You better brace yourself!
>
>Brad
>

I've lost the attributes, but I think Michelle is not a boy.

To answer the original question, a Maule flys like a Aeronica on
steriods. It has no real mean traits, it just is what it looks like.

Of course, if you run out of gas, that's not the airplane's fault.

Mike Weller

[Michelle P]

Brad,
I have done it because it can. I plan for 15 Gal/hour and it flies about
12.5 gal/hour according to the Shadin Fuel Flow. I still had 10 gallons
left upon landing. about 45 minutes. I like to have an hour in the tank
when I land. I have pushed it to 45 minutes if necessary.
Michelle ( girl)


Brad Salai wrote:

>"Michelle P" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
>...
>. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
>
>
>>without stopping with a favorable tail wind.
>>
>>
>
>I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get it.
>You better brace yourself!
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>

[Brad Salai]

Michelle,

I was trying to be funny. What I was kidding you about is that the tailwind
probably didn't help you get to 6 hours. Maybe helped you go further in that
time, but as far as I know, the engine doesn't know if it is flying in a
tailwind or a headwind.

Brad
"Michelle P" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Brad,
> I have done it because it can. I plan for 15 Gal/hour and it flies about
> 12.5 gal/hour according to the Shadin Fuel Flow. I still had 10 gallons
> left upon landing. about 45 minutes. I like to have an hour in the tank
> when I land. I have pushed it to 45 minutes if necessary.
> Michelle ( girl)
>
>
> Brad Salai wrote:
>
> >"Michelle P" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> >...
> >. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
> >
> >
> >>without stopping with a favorable tail wind.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get
it.
> >You better brace yourself!
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >

[Michelle P]

Brad,
I was not sure. The tailwind help me go from St. Louis to Moultrie GA
without stopping. I had been stuck in St. Louis for several days. I
watched the weather all day and noticed a pattern forming. If was not
on the ground by 1 PM I was not going to make it. I left at 6 AM and
landed just around noon 90% IMC. This would have been about 7.5 hours
without the tailwind. I would have had to stop for fuel then would have
been trapped by the weather.
Michelle

Brad Salai wrote:

>Michelle,
>
>I was trying to be funny. What I was kidding you about is that the tailwind
>probably didn't help you get to 6 hours. Maybe helped you go further in that
>time, but as far as I know, the engine doesn't know if it is flying in a
>tailwind or a headwind.
>
>Brad
>"Michelle P" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
>
>>Brad,
>>I have done it because it can. I plan for 15 Gal/hour and it flies about
>>12.5 gal/hour according to the Shadin Fuel Flow. I still had 10 gallons
>>left upon landing. about 45 minutes. I like to have an hour in the tank
>>when I land. I have pushed it to 45 minutes if necessary.
>>Michelle ( girl)
>>
>>
>>Brad Salai wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Michelle P" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>>>
>>>...
>>>. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>without stopping with a favorable tail wind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get
>>>
>>>
>it.
>
>
>>>You better brace yourself!
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

[Jose]

> What I was kidding you about is that the tailwind
> probably didn't help you get to 6 hours. Maybe helped you go further in that
> time, but as far as I know, the engine doesn't know if it is flying in a
> tailwind or a headwind.

Well, the engine can be told what it's flying in. Maybe Michelle
throttled back, allowing the tailwind to carry her the distance while
she got more time.

Jose (boy)
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Michelle P]

Jose,
I started with eighty gallons of fuel. I was flying at six or eight
thousand feet. Between 75% and 65% power. This puts fuel consumption is
about 11.5 GPH. This gives me seven (6.95) hours endurance. I went six.
With still nearly an hour of fuel left.
Michelle

Jose wrote:

>> What I was kidding you about is that the tailwind
>> probably didn't help you get to 6 hours. Maybe helped you go further
>> in that
>> time, but as far as I know, the engine doesn't know if it is flying in a
>> tailwind or a headwind.
>
>
> Well, the engine can be told what it's flying in. Maybe Michelle
> throttled back, allowing the tailwind to carry her the distance while
> she got more time.
>
> Jose (boy)

[Jose]

> Jose,
> I started with eighty gallons of fuel.

Wow... and I thought the cutlass with long range tanks had endurance.
I'm going to have to look into this Maule thing. :)

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[john smith]

In article . net>,
Michelle P > wrote:

> I started with eighty gallons of fuel. I was flying at six or eight
> thousand feet. Between 75% and 65% power. This puts fuel consumption is
> about 11.5 GPH. This gives me seven (6.95) hours endurance. I went six.
> With still nearly an hour of fuel left.

But you didn't mention how many piddle packs you went through?

[Michelle P]

two.

john smith wrote:

>In article . net>,
> Michelle P > wrote:
>
>
>
>>I started with eighty gallons of fuel. I was flying at six or eight
>>thousand feet. Between 75% and 65% power. This puts fuel consumption is
>>about 11.5 GPH. This gives me seven (6.95) hours endurance. I went six.
>>With still nearly an hour of fuel left.
>>
>>
>
>But you didn't mention how many piddle packs you went through?
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> >But you didn't mention how many piddle packs you went through?

> two.

Okay, I hereby invoke the Usenet "TMI Clause" here.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Michelle P wrote:

> Jose,
> I started with eighty gallons of fuel. I was flying at six or eight
> thousand feet. Between 75% and 65% power. This puts fuel consumption is
> about 11.5 GPH. This gives me seven (6.95) hours endurance. I went six.
> With still nearly an hour of fuel left.

You must have the long range bladder option as well. :-) I've found
4.5 hours to be about my limit.


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>But you didn't mention how many piddle packs you went through?
>
>
>>two.
>
>
> Okay, I hereby invoke the Usenet "TMI Clause" here.

OK, I confess that I don't know what TMI is. Can you enlighten me?

Michelle, aren't those piddle packs a pain to use in a small airplane?
I remember that one of the aviation magazines some years ago had a
"test" done on several ways to obtain inflight relief. I can't remember
which mag now or who the author was, but it was a hilarious article. He
talked about the difficulties he had convincing some of his female
friends to help him test the female products. I believe the tried
bottles, piddle packs up to adult diapers and found they all had their
problems. I wish I could find that article now, it was great
entertainment and even a little bit useful!


Matt

[Jim Logajan]

Matt Whiting > wrote:
> OK, I confess that I don't know what TMI is. Can you enlighten me?

TMI appears to be: Too much information.

Looks to be yet another TLA.

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Logajan wrote:

> Matt Whiting > wrote:
>
>>OK, I confess that I don't know what TMI is. Can you enlighten me?
>
>
> TMI appears to be: Too much information.
>
> Looks to be yet another TLA.

OK, that makes sense and fits the context. Yes, TLAs can be a pain if
you aren't familiar with them.

Then again, I rarely feel I have too much information. :-)


Matt

[Michelle P]

My observers have said the same thing. I am fine at the end of a 3-3.5
hour run and they are dying. The key is pacing one's liquid intake.
Michelle

Matt Whiting wrote:

> Michelle P wrote:
>
>> Jose,
>> I started with eighty gallons of fuel. I was flying at six or eight
>> thousand feet. Between 75% and 65% power. This puts fuel consumption
>> is about 11.5 GPH. This gives me seven (6.95) hours endurance. I went
>> six. With still nearly an hour of fuel left.
>
>
> You must have the long range bladder option as well. :-) I've found
> 4.5 hours to be about my limit.
>
>
> Matt

[Cub Driver]

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:28:37 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

>I remember that one of the aviation magazines some years ago had a
>"test" done on several ways to obtain inflight relief.

Did they test the gas sampler?


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Michelle:

I also have a M-7-235B, 2005. I get about 15gph with 2300/23 typically around 3,000' mostly short trips. This gives me an IAS of 125k with -7degrees flaps.

Of course, I'm looking at waysd to try and get better than 15gph. What settings are you typically using?

Thanks, Garry


On Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-4, Michelle P wrote:
> Brad,
> I have done it because it can. I plan for 15 Gal/hour and it flies about
> 12.5 gal/hour according to the Shadin Fuel Flow. I still had 10 gallons
> left upon landing. about 45 minutes. I like to have an hour in the tank
> when I land. I have pushed it to 45 minutes if necessary.
> Michelle ( girl)
>
>
> Brad Salai wrote:
>
> >"Michelle P" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> >...
> >. I have run the aircraft for 6 hours strait
> >
> >
> >>without stopping with a favorable tail wind.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I'm glad I didn't say that. And in THIS group, boy are you going to get it.
> >You better brace yourself!
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >

[Dave Doe]

In article >,
, says...
>
> Michelle:
>
> I also have a M-7-235B, 2005. I get about 15gph with 2300/23 typically around 3,000' mostly short trips. This gives me an IAS of 125k with -7degrees flaps.
>
> Of course, I'm looking at waysd to try and get better than 15gph. What settings are you typically using?
>
> Thanks, Garry
>
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-4, Michelle P wrote:

Not sure if you expect a reply, you're responding to a post made in
2005!

--
Duncan.