question about homebuild gliders

[HVC]

hello,

I'm new here in the forum so I want to say hello all first!

I would like to know if anyone can help me with one question:

I,m a airplane pilot and lately I am fliying gliders, some old gliders models so I am want to build my own glider, a simple model and I would like to know any advice that you can give about it, as well gliders websites or any other related that you think that could be usefull to made this.


regards



HVC

[Mal]

DG-Flugzeugbau GmbH
LAK
Mdm1Fox - high performance aerobatic glider
PW-5 Smyk
Schempp-Hirth

Some links to glider manufactures.

http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/MnfList.cfm?MnfID=all

[Bela]

Lots of homebuilt experience at the US Vintage Sailplane organization,
see URL below.

Bela

http://www.vintagesailplane.org/

[Capt. Geoffry Thorpe]

"HVC" > wrote in message
...
>
> hello,
>
> I'm new here in the forum so I want to say hello all first!
>
> I would like to know if anyone can help me with one question:
>
> I,m a airplane pilot and lately I am fliying gliders, some old gliders
> models so I am want to build my own glider, a simple model and I would
> like to know any advice that you can give about it, as well gliders
> websites or any other related that you think that could be usefull to
> made this.
>

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/

Is one spot to look at. Homebuilding doesn't seem to be as popular with
glider drivers.

Some like the Woodstock and Cherokee are pretty low performance. Schreader's
designs are a bit dated, but have moderate performance. Trying to build a
"High performance" glider with composit materials would require a real love
for sanding and filling and sanding and filling and...

There are a few ultralight homebuilt designs out there too.

--
Geoff
the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.

[Vaughn]

"Capt. Geoffry Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in message
...

> There are a few ultralight homebuilt designs out there too.

and the occasional kit.

Vaughn

[Eric Greenwell]

HVC wrote:

> hello,
>
> I'm new here in the forum so I want to say hello all first!
>
> I would like to know if anyone can help me with one question:
>
> I,m a airplane pilot and lately I am fliying gliders, some old gliders
> models so I am want to build my own glider, a simple model and I would
> like to know any advice that you can give about it, as well gliders
> websites or any other related that you think that could be usefull to
> made this.

Some production gliders, like the Apis, are available in kit form. I
think this would be a better option than trying to build an older glider
from drawings: it would be a lot quicker, you'd have factory support,
and the glider would likely have a much better resale value (meaning:
you'd get a bigger fraction of your money out of it).


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Bob C]

The Silent gliders by Alisport are available as kits
or as factory-built. Check out www.alisport.com or
contact their US rep, Leo Benetti-Longhini at .
Leo's a great guy and would be happy to answer any
questions.

Bob C.

At 01:30 18 October 2005, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>HVC wrote:
>
>> hello,
>>
>> I'm new here in the forum so I want to say hello all
>>first!
>>
>> I would like to know if anyone can help me with one
>>question:
>>
>> I,m a airplane pilot and lately I am fliying gliders,
>>some old gliders
>> models so I am want to build my own glider, a simple
>>model and I would
>> like to know any advice that you can give about it,
>>as well gliders
>> websites or any other related that you think that
>>could be usefull to
>> made this.
>
>Some production gliders, like the Apis, are available
>in kit form. I
>think this would be a better option than trying to
>build an older glider
>from drawings: it would be a lot quicker, you'd have
>factory support,
>and the glider would likely have a much better resale
>value (meaning:
>you'd get a bigger fraction of your money out of it).
>
>
>--
>Change 'netto' to 'net' to email me directly
>
>Eric Greenwell
>Washington State
>USA
>

[Wayne Paul]

Judah Milgram's HP-11 has got to be the best performance for the dollar, and
its' ready to fly! (http://www.tux.org/~milgram/hp11/)

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F'
http://www.soaridaho.com/

"Capt. Geoffry Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in message
...

>
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/
>
> Is one spot to look at. Homebuilding doesn't seem to be as popular with
> glider drivers.
>
> Some like the Woodstock and Cherokee are pretty low performance.
Schreader's
> designs are a bit dated, but have moderate performance. Trying to build a
> "High performance" glider with composit materials would require a real
love
> for sanding and filling and sanding and filling and...
>
> There are a few ultralight homebuilt designs out there too.
>
> --
> Geoff
> the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.
>
>

[An Empty Pocket]

imho, you should try http://esoaring.com/

and talking about the glider you dream to build, please consider if would be
easier, cheaper and WITH THE SAME PERFORMANCE to make an ugly* 20 meters
glider than a pretty* 15 meters one.

*pretty glider.- intensive desing, expensive materials, complicated
construction, skillfull labour, many hours ...

*ugly glider.- metal, wood, fabric, plastic or whatever sanded with a hammer
....

well, of course take lightly my descriptions, even the 15 and 20 meter
sizes, but i think they explain quite good my idea.

good luck!

> At 01:30 18 October 2005, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>HVC wrote:
>>
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> I'm new here in the forum so I want to say hello all
>>>first!
>>>
>>> I would like to know if anyone can help me with one
>>>question:
>>>
>>> I,m a airplane pilot and lately I am fliying gliders,
>>>some old gliders
>>> models so I am want to build my own glider, a simple
>>>model and I would
>>> like to know any advice that you can give about it,
>>>as well gliders
>>> websites or any other related that you think that
>>>could be usefull to
>>> made this.
>>
>>Some production gliders, like the Apis, are available
>>in kit form. I
>>think this would be a better option than trying to
>>build an older glider
>>from drawings: it would be a lot quicker, you'd have
>>factory support,
>>and the glider would likely have a much better resale
>>value (meaning:
>>you'd get a bigger fraction of your money out of it).
>>
>>
>>--
>>Change 'netto' to 'net' to email me directly
>>
>>Eric Greenwell
>>Washington State
>>USA
>>
>
>
>

[Eric Greenwell]

An Empty Pocket wrote:
> imho, you should try http://esoaring.com/
>
> and talking about the glider you dream to build, please consider if would be
> easier, cheaper and WITH THE SAME PERFORMANCE to make an ugly* 20 meters
> glider than a pretty* 15 meters one.
>
> *pretty glider.- intensive desing, expensive materials, complicated
> construction, skillfull labour, many hours ...
>
> *ugly glider.- metal, wood, fabric, plastic or whatever sanded with a hammer
> ...
>
> well, of course take lightly my descriptions, even the 15 and 20 meter
> sizes, but i think they explain quite good my idea.

If you buy a kit, there is no design, and the kits for fiberglass
sailplanes are not complicated because it's mostly gluing pre-molded
pieces together. The skill involved is not greater than that required by
a metal or a wood and fabric glider. Smaller is easier to work on than
bigger, given the work space most people have. And finally, when you
eventually sell your glider produced from an glider that was also
factory produced, you will recover a greater percentage of your time and
money.

--
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Birdy]

I agree that a kit of a current production glider should have a good resale
value. But there is one big problem, liability. Would you be willing to risk
selling a glider that has your name on the airworthiness cert. as the
manufacture? If you are thinking about resale, it might be better to buy a
completed glider and avoid this problem. Also, if you don't own much and
don't anticipate becoming wealthy some day, you don't have to worry about
liability because no lawyer is going to waste his time suing some one with
no money. This is a big problem with homebuilding, I've got two airplanes in
the hanger now that I would like to sell but don't want the risk.


"Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
...
> An Empty Pocket wrote:
>> imho, you should try http://esoaring.com/
>>
>> and talking about the glider you dream to build, please consider if would
>> be easier, cheaper and WITH THE SAME PERFORMANCE to make an ugly* 20
>> meters glider than a pretty* 15 meters one.
>>
>> *pretty glider.- intensive desing, expensive materials, complicated
>> construction, skillfull labour, many hours ...
>>
>> *ugly glider.- metal, wood, fabric, plastic or whatever sanded with a
>> hammer ...
>>
>> well, of course take lightly my descriptions, even the 15 and 20 meter
>> sizes, but i think they explain quite good my idea.
>
> If you buy a kit, there is no design, and the kits for fiberglass
> sailplanes are not complicated because it's mostly gluing pre-molded
> pieces together. The skill involved is not greater than that required by a
> metal or a wood and fabric glider. Smaller is easier to work on than
> bigger, given the work space most people have. And finally, when you
> eventually sell your glider produced from an glider that was also factory
> produced, you will recover a greater percentage of your time and money.
>
> --
> Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> Eric Greenwell
> Washington State
> USA
>



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[Bill Daniels]

There are a lot of first and second generation glass gliders on the used
market that need only re-finishing to be really nice ships. It would be
great if there were model specific 're-finish kits' that came with excellent
DIY instructions. Learning to re-finish a glider is easier to learn than
how to build an entire glider from a kit. Even with a kit, you'd still have
to learn finishing.

With certified gliders, you'd have to find an AI who would supervise your
work and ultimately sign it off but the end product would be marketable.

Bill Daniels

"Birdy" > wrote in message
...
> I agree that a kit of a current production glider should have a good
resale
> value. But there is one big problem, liability. Would you be willing to
risk
> selling a glider that has your name on the airworthiness cert. as the
> manufacture? If you are thinking about resale, it might be better to buy a
> completed glider and avoid this problem. Also, if you don't own much and
> don't anticipate becoming wealthy some day, you don't have to worry about
> liability because no lawyer is going to waste his time suing some one with
> no money. This is a big problem with homebuilding, I've got two airplanes
in
> the hanger now that I would like to sell but don't want the risk.
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > An Empty Pocket wrote:
> >> imho, you should try http://esoaring.com/
> >>
> >> and talking about the glider you dream to build, please consider if
would
> >> be easier, cheaper and WITH THE SAME PERFORMANCE to make an ugly* 20
> >> meters glider than a pretty* 15 meters one.
> >>
> >> *pretty glider.- intensive desing, expensive materials, complicated
> >> construction, skillfull labour, many hours ...
> >>
> >> *ugly glider.- metal, wood, fabric, plastic or whatever sanded with a
> >> hammer ...
> >>
> >> well, of course take lightly my descriptions, even the 15 and 20 meter
> >> sizes, but i think they explain quite good my idea.
> >
> > If you buy a kit, there is no design, and the kits for fiberglass
> > sailplanes are not complicated because it's mostly gluing pre-molded
> > pieces together. The skill involved is not greater than that required by
a
> > metal or a wood and fabric glider. Smaller is easier to work on than
> > bigger, given the work space most people have. And finally, when you
> > eventually sell your glider produced from an glider that was also
factory
> > produced, you will recover a greater percentage of your time and money.
> >
> > --
> > Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> >
> > Eric Greenwell
> > Washington State
> > USA
> >
>
>
>
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