Electrical system considerations

[ELIPPSE]

First, I have seen several installations where the ammeter was
connected between the alternator/generator and the main bus. When
connected this way, only the total of charge plus load will be shown,
and never discharge. Connecting the ammeter between the battery and the
bus will show any charge going into the battery over and above the
load, and also discharge when the alternator/generator is not supplying
sufficient charge.
Second, and this applies only if you have a regulator separate from
your alternator/generator and you have a circuit breaker between the
alternator/generator and the bus. With the regulator connected to the
main bus, if the CB from the A/G to the bus were to open for some
reason, the regulator, sensing the lower bus voltage without the A/G
supplying charging voltage, will supply maximum current to the field.
With maximum field current and the high rpm at which we spin our A/G's,
its output could rise to 50V-150V depending on rpm and no load. If you
were to reset the A/G CB at this time, to could put a substantial
voltage/current transient on the bus, which could fry your electronics.
This transient could last for the regulator's filter time-constant and
the A/G field time constant, which could be many milliseconds. The
battery does not supply a good clamp on this transient due to its
internal resistance, along with the inductance of the battery to bus
leads. Electrically the way you can protect this from happening is to
connect the regulator's battery connection to the A/G side of the A/G
CB. In this way, even if the A/G CB opens, the regulator is still
connected to the A/G output and will maintain a regulated output. Of
course, the alternative is never reset the A/G CB with the engine
running!

[GeorgeB]

On 30 Jan 2005 11:09:48 -0800, "ELIPPSE" > wrote:

>First, I have seen several installations where the ammeter was
>connected between the alternator/generator and the main bus. When
>connected this way, only the total of charge plus load will be shown,
>and never discharge.

Or otherwise stated, the alternator output.

>Connecting the ammeter between the battery and the
>bus will show any charge going into the battery over and above the
>load, and also discharge when the alternator/generator is not supplying
>sufficient charge.

Yes, and it will try to show starting current, which may (or may not?)
be witin the range of the meter.

One comment here; a common practice is to use a shunt to develop a
voltage drop, either intentionally added (if accuracy is important,
and the loss can be tolerated), or using the inherent drop in a wire
and a sensitive voltmeter. It is relatively easy to protect the meter
from overvoltage using series R and a clipping diode. (This assumes
that the meter ca handle 0.3V or so)

>Second, and this applies only if you have a regulator separate from
>your alternator/generator and you have a circuit breaker between the
>alternator/generator and the bus. With the regulator connected to the
>main bus, if the CB from the A/G to the bus were to open for some
>reason, the regulator, sensing the lower bus voltage without the A/G
>supplying charging voltage, will supply maximum current to the field.
>With maximum field current and the high rpm at which we spin our A/G's,
>its output could rise to 50V-150V depending on rpm and no load. If you
>were to reset the A/G CB at this time, to could put a substantial
>voltage/current transient on the bus, which could fry your electronics.
>This transient could last for the regulator's filter time-constant and
>the A/G field time constant, which could be many milliseconds. The
>battery does not supply a good clamp on this transient due to its
>internal resistance, along with the inductance of the battery to bus
>leads. Electrically the way you can protect this from happening is to
>connect the regulator's battery connection to the A/G side of the A/G
>CB. In this way, even if the A/G CB opens, the regulator is still
>connected to the A/G output and will maintain a regulated output. Of
>course, the alternative is never reset the A/G CB with the engine
>running!

When I was involved with electronics installed in trucks and cars, one
of the standard tests was to operate the engine at relatively high
speed into a weak battery, then disconnect the batery. If the unit
failed, we had a problem. IT was not easy to resolve this.

[ELIPPSE]

Hi, George!
It's true you don't want to install the ammeter or transducer in the
line going to the starter; just in the line from the battery to the
main bus. Best of everything! Paul