Tried to Call it "Runway 7" today...

[Jay Honeck]

After all the talk about not using "leading zeros" when making radio calls
referring to runways, I tried my darndest to omit those offending zeros
today.

To my surprise and dismay, my mouth has apparently developed an "autopilot"
mode that seemed to prohibit even the simplest changes to my rote radio
procedures. It literally took me FOUR TRIES to be able to refer to our
Runway 7 as "Runway SEVEN" -- not "Runway ZERO SEVEN."

Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to change, but
after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times, I just couldn't seem to
get the words out straight!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to change, but
> after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion hours
logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately? :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Bill]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:17:16 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>After all the talk about not using "leading zeros" when making radio calls
>referring to runways, I tried my darndest to omit those offending zeros
>today.
>
>To my surprise and dismay, my mouth has apparently developed an "autopilot"
>mode that seemed to prohibit even the simplest changes to my rote radio
>procedures. It literally took me FOUR TRIES to be able to refer to our
>Runway 7 as "Runway SEVEN" -- not "Runway ZERO SEVEN."
>
>Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to change, but
>after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times, I just couldn't seem to
>get the words out straight!
>
>:-)

I know about verbal autopilot.

I flew for about a week in Mexico, and some controllers were saying
"Roger Roger" instead of "Roger" and we started playing with them.

What I found was the controllers in this area (Campecehe,
Villahermosa, Veracruz) would say either one or two "Rogers" all the
time. So we started doubling up on our "Rogers"

Then we started seeing how far it would go. We started saying Triple
Rogers to everything we could answer affirmatively.

"6030L confirm 20 DME from Campeche"

"Ah, 6030L, Roger Roger Roger"

And the controllers started replying with triple rogers! All was well
and good until we finally came back to the U.S., and after clearing
customs in Brownsville, we were making our way up the cost and Corpus
Christi calls with "30L, verify straight and level at 3000 feet."

Yep, without even thinking I keyed the mike and replied "30L Roger
Roger Roger"

There was a long silence, and just as it was sinking in what I had
done, the controller said "30L....say again?"

It was at least two weeks before I could get rid of the Rogers in my
head while dealing with ATC.


Bill Strahan
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[Jay Beckman]

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to change,
>> but after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
> Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion hours
> logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately? :-)
>
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL-IA Student

Jack,

If I've told you once I've told you a billion times: DON'T EXAGERATE!!

;O)

Jay B

[Scott Skylane]

Jack Allison wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to
>> change, but after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
>
> Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion hours
> logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately? :-)
>
>
Maybe even a Brazilian!!! ;)

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Jim Logajan]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote:
> "Jack Allison" > wrote in
> message ...
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to
>>> change, but after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
>> Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion
>> hours logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately?
>> :-)
> Jack,
>
> If I've told you once I've told you a billion times: DON'T EXAGERATE!!
>
> ;O)

There is a wonderful website where umpteen definitions of indeterminate
numbers are provided. The URL is:

http://www.incompetech.com/gallimaufry/numbers.html

Here are some examples:

"eleventeen
I'm not sure how large this number is, but I'm pretty sure it is
between 11 and 21 inclusive. Nominally used to mean any absurd use of
a specific number. e.g. "I had to enter a product activation code of
'A ampersand g g L P 7 eleventeen something...'"

umpteen
This number is relatively small (usually under 30). It is used in
conjunction with a specific task (or task iteration). e.g. "I told you
for the umpteenth time - 'No swimming with the sharks!'"

zillion
Any incomprehensibly large number. For a five-year-old $100 is about
equal to "a zillion dollars". For an average adult, this number is
certainly greater than 100,000... but it depends on context. e.g.
"That company charges zillions if you want them to consult."

bazillion
More than a zillion... possibly as small as 2 zillion.
(can also be spelled bizillion or bahzillion [rare].)"

(And so on - the web site has oodles more.)

[Steve Foley]

There are a finite number of words, but an infinite number of numbers,
therefore one of the numbers MUST be named "bazillion"


"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote:
> > "Jack Allison" > wrote in
> > message ...
> >> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >>> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to
> >>> change, but after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
> >> Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion
> >> hours logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately?
> >> :-)
> > Jack,
> >
> > If I've told you once I've told you a billion times: DON'T EXAGERATE!!
> >
> > ;O)
>
> There is a wonderful website where umpteen definitions of indeterminate
> numbers are provided. The URL is:
>
> http://www.incompetech.com/gallimaufry/numbers.html
>
> Here are some examples:
>
> "eleventeen
> I'm not sure how large this number is, but I'm pretty sure it is
> between 11 and 21 inclusive. Nominally used to mean any absurd use of
> a specific number. e.g. "I had to enter a product activation code of
> 'A ampersand g g L P 7 eleventeen something...'"
>
> umpteen
> This number is relatively small (usually under 30). It is used in
> conjunction with a specific task (or task iteration). e.g. "I told you
> for the umpteenth time - 'No swimming with the sharks!'"
>
> zillion
> Any incomprehensibly large number. For a five-year-old $100 is about
> equal to "a zillion dollars". For an average adult, this number is
> certainly greater than 100,000... but it depends on context. e.g.
> "That company charges zillions if you want them to consult."
>
> bazillion
> More than a zillion... possibly as small as 2 zillion.
> (can also be spelled bizillion or bahzillion [rare].)"
>
> (And so on - the web site has oodles more.)

[Stubby]

Steve Foley wrote:
> There are a finite number of words, but an infinite number of numbers,
> therefore one of the numbers MUST be named "bazillion"
>
"Brazillion" is the number of illegal aliens working under-the-table in
the US.

[Doug]

My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-) (Probably
has something to do with the fact thats what I told her). She has since
grown up not believing everything I tell her.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Doug" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-)
>

Some are.

[150flivver]

>we were making our way up the cost and Corpus
>Christi calls with "30L, verify straight and level at 3000 feet."

>Yep, without even thinking I keyed the mike and replied "30L Roger
>Roger Roger"

Shouldn't it have been "affirmative, affirmative, affirmative, 30L" or
"Wilco, Wilco, Wilco, 30L"?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Doug" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-) (Probably
> has something to do with the fact thats what I told her). She has since
> grown up not believing everything I tell her.
>

Which is a piece of parenting ALL of us should duplicate.

[George Patterson]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Doug" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-) (Probably
>>has something to do with the fact thats what I told her). She has since
>>grown up not believing everything I tell her.
>
> Which is a piece of parenting ALL of us should duplicate.

What? Lieing to your kids?

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[[email protected]]

In article >, Jim Logajan > writes:
>
> There is a wonderful website where umpteen definitions of indeterminate
> numbers are provided. The URL is:
>
> http://www.incompetech.com/gallimaufry/numbers.html
>
> Here are some examples:
>
>
They had some good ones, but left out the biggest one - a godzillion.
Named after the giant lizard, a godzillion is the biggest possible
number - if you add one to it, it reaches a critical mass, and explodes
into a bunch of smaller numbers.

Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
COntrl-G Consultants

[Bill]

On 20 Oct 2005 06:44:01 -0700, "150flivver" >
wrote:

>>we were making our way up the cost and Corpus
>>Christi calls with "30L, verify straight and level at 3000 feet."
>
>>Yep, without even thinking I keyed the mike and replied "30L Roger
>>Roger Roger"
>
>Shouldn't it have been "affirmative, affirmative, affirmative, 30L" or
>"Wilco, Wilco, Wilco, 30L"?

Well it definitely shouldn't have been "Wilco" since I wasn't telling
him I "Will comply" with anything! :)

Yes, my typical response would have been "Affirmative, 30L" or more
likely "Affirmative, 30L straight and level at 3000"

But I had been playing in Mexico for too long, and for some reason
they used "Roger" a lot. And they pronounced it more like "Royer",
except there was a slightly different sound than a Y in there. It
just wasn't a G like we would say it. So, when in Rome...

And when I got back, I just did it without thinking that one time.
"Royer, royer, royer" said with a very jovial voice. I'm sure the
Corpus Christi controller thought we had been smoking or drinking
something.

In fact, just before I departed his airspace he asked me where 30L was
based. He wanted to know specifically which airport. I told him, but
never asked why he wanted to know, and I wasn't met by anyone when I
got home. Who knows what that was for?


Bill Strahan
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[Gig 601XL Builder]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:6BN5f.26111$p_.21635@trndny05...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> "Doug" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>>My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-) (Probably
>>>has something to do with the fact thats what I told her). She has since
>>>grown up not believing everything I tell her.
>>
>> Which is a piece of parenting ALL of us should duplicate.
>
> What? Lieing to your kids?
>

If that's what it takes to make them not to believe everything you say is
gospel. Think of it this way. Do you want Skylune's or ZZZZooms children to
think for the rest of their lives that every thing their father tell them is
true?

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:17:16 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<gTE5f.497537$xm3.148457@attbi_s21>::

>Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to change, but
>after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times, I just couldn't seem to
>get the words out straight!

After flying a Piper for years, see what happens when you find
yourself flying a Cessna for the first time.

[Bill]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:39:23 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>"Jay Beckman" > wrote:
>> "Jack Allison" > wrote in
>> message ...
>>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>> Dang, you wouldn't think such a minor thing would be so hard to
>>>> change, but after saying it one way 5.6 zillion-billion times
>>> Wow, that's a lot of takeoffs/landing...you must have a gazillion
>>> hours logged by now...and you were saying I'm flying a lot lately?
>>> :-)
>> Jack,
>>
>> If I've told you once I've told you a billion times: DON'T EXAGERATE!!
>>
>> ;O)
>
>There is a wonderful website where umpteen definitions of indeterminate
>numbers are provided. The URL is:
>
>http://www.incompetech.com/gallimaufry/numbers.html
>
>Here are some examples:
>
>"eleventeen
> I'm not sure how large this number is, but I'm pretty sure it is
> between 11 and 21 inclusive. Nominally used to mean any absurd use of
> a specific number. e.g. "I had to enter a product activation code of
> 'A ampersand g g L P 7 eleventeen something...'"
>
>umpteen
> This number is relatively small (usually under 30). It is used in
> conjunction with a specific task (or task iteration). e.g. "I told you
> for the umpteenth time - 'No swimming with the sharks!'"
>
>zillion
> Any incomprehensibly large number. For a five-year-old $100 is about
> equal to "a zillion dollars". For an average adult, this number is
> certainly greater than 100,000... but it depends on context. e.g.
> "That company charges zillions if you want them to consult."
>
>bazillion
> More than a zillion... possibly as small as 2 zillion.
> (can also be spelled bizillion or bahzillion [rare].)"
>
>(And so on - the web site has oodles more.)

Here in Texas, you hear the term "buttload" a lot.

As in "I've got a buttload of things to do today."

I sometimes joke that I know how big a buttload is: It's 128 gallons.

No one gets it, but the old English system of gallons, bushels,
barrels, etc. had "butt" in there as 128 gallons, so it must be
equivalent to a buttload.

I wonder if it originated with "boatload" and got *******ized to
"buttload"


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[[email protected]]

Bill > wrote:
> In fact, just before I departed his airspace he
> asked me where 30L was based. He wanted
> to know specifically which airport. I told him,
> but never asked why he wanted to know, and
> I wasn't met by anyone when I got home. Who
> knows what that was for?

I wish they'd explain questions like that. Recently, when I returned to
my home airport after being gone for about 1.5 hrs, Ground control asked
us what time we had taxied out earlier that morning. Never explained why
either. ??

[George Patterson]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> If that's what it takes to make them not to believe everything you say is
> gospel. Think of it this way. Do you want Skylune's or ZZZZooms children to
> think for the rest of their lives that every thing their father tell them is
> true?

Point and match.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:%gR5f.6121$9N.2212@trndny07...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
>> If that's what it takes to make them not to believe everything you say is
>> gospel. Think of it this way. Do you want Skylune's or ZZZZooms children
>> to think for the rest of their lives that every thing their father tell
>> them is true?
>
> Point and match.


I thought you'd agree if I put it that way. ;)

[Skylune]

Hey. Who the heck is this ZZZZooom person?

(I will continue to tell my kids not to fly in private planes (or drive)
with strangers.)

[Montblack]

("Skylune" wrote)
> Hey. Who the heck is this ZZZZooom person?


It's like playing baseball in the street when we were kids - using a tennis
ball instead of a baseball. It's your turn at the plate. You pick up the
green 'oversized' plastic Wiffle-ball bat and make your way to the manhole
cover, and eagerly await that first underhand pitch ...so you can park that
old tennis ball, two doors down, over the neighbor's pine tree.

"Holy cow."


Montblack
Some days it's just too easy! <g>

[Skylune]

LMAO. What the...? (there are manhole covers in Minnesota?)

[Morgans]

"Doug" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My 6 year old thought the guy in the tower is NAMED Roger :-) (Probably
> has something to do with the fact thats what I told her). She has since
> grown up not believing everything I tell her.

My daughter grew up believing almost anything someone told her, and
therefore was at times, very gullible.

I sat off on a mission of curing that problem, and working on a sense of
humor, too. For the longest time, I NEVER gave her the right answer the
first time. When pressed, I would tell the truth, but not until she asked.

It took a period of time for her to start to catch on, and then, I would
only lie to her on the first try, sometimes. She then would have to listen
and question what she was hearing, and decide if it was the truth, or not.

It was a lot of fun, and led to some very humorous situations, but as a
result, she is a quick thinker, and very astute judge of the truth, and of
character. I highly advise a try of your own on this, if you have an
unquestioning youngster.
--
Jim in NC

[Jim Burns]

> It was a lot of fun, and led to some very humorous situations, but as a
> result, she is a quick thinker, and very astute judge of the truth, and of
> character. I highly advise a try of your own on this, if you have an
> unquestioning youngster.
> --
> Jim in NC

I do that with my kids also, they've come to expect the wrong answer first,
but I mix it up so I'm not so predictable. What they've learned is to think
for themselves first, then ask if they still aren't sure. It makes them
THINK and use their heads rather than just depending on someone to give them
the answer. It also teaches them to evaluate the answer that is given to
them rather than just blindly accepting it.

Jim in WI

[Matt Whiting]

Skylune wrote:

> Hey. Who the heck is this ZZZZooom person?
>
> (I will continue to tell my kids not to fly in private planes (or drive)
> with strangers.)
>

He is the only person who posted in this forum that was less connected
to reality than you. Fortunately, he quit posting some time ago.

Matt

[Peter Duniho]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> There are a finite number of words, but an infinite number of numbers,
> therefore one of the numbers MUST be named "bazillion"

That only follows if for every word, there is a number that word describes.

Which, of course, is not the case.

[John Swarey]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:11:17 -0400, "Skylune"
> wrote:

>LMAO. What the...? (there are manhole covers in Minnesota?)

I always cover my manhole, no matter where I am.

[Icebound]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:gTE5f.497537$xm3.148457@attbi_s21...
> After all the talk about not using "leading zeros" when making radio calls
> referring to runways, I tried my darndest to omit those offending zeros
> today.
>
> To my surprise and dismay, my mouth has apparently developed an
> "autopilot" mode that seemed to prohibit even the simplest changes to my
> rote radio procedures. It literally took me FOUR TRIES to be able to
> refer to our Runway 7 as "Runway SEVEN" -- not "Runway ZERO SEVEN."
>


Don't let some dyslexic bureaucrat's influence on the misguided youth in
this ng destroy all your years of *proper* usage. :-)

Avoiding the leading zero on a direction-based entity is unnatural and only
leads to confusion. FAA's own NACO chart-selection web site INCLUDES the
leading zero in the INDEX, when selecting your IAP plate, but then the
actual plate has the runway WITHOUT the leading zero.

When our dyslexic bureaucrat read the FAA's description: "Runways are
normally numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest 10 degrees", he just assumed that 10 divided by 10 is "1"; seventy
divided by 10 was "7" (quite correctly, I suppose). So that's what he went
out and painted.

For some of the rest of us, "magnetic direction" implied, quite
understandably "magnetic direction as in:
magnetic-direction-as-used-for-navigation".

Zero-seven-zero divided by ten is still zero-seven, whether the zero is
painted there or not.

[Wizard of Draws]

On 10/20/05 5:50 PM, in article ,
"Jim Burns" > wrote:

>> It was a lot of fun, and led to some very humorous situations, but as a
>> result, she is a quick thinker, and very astute judge of the truth, and of
>> character. I highly advise a try of your own on this, if you have an
>> unquestioning youngster.
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>
> I do that with my kids also, they've come to expect the wrong answer first,
> but I mix it up so I'm not so predictable. What they've learned is to think
> for themselves first, then ask if they still aren't sure. It makes them
> THINK and use their heads rather than just depending on someone to give them
> the answer. It also teaches them to evaluate the answer that is given to
> them rather than just blindly accepting it.
>
> Jim in WI
>
>
I thought I was the only one to do this with my kids. Of course, if I was to
tell them that I wasn't, they wouldn't believe me. And if I told them
otherwise, they'd know I was telling the truth, unless I had a silly grin on
my face when I said it, then they'd think I was lying.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

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[Brien K. Meehan]

I do that is newsgroups.

(... or do I?)

[Brien K. Meehan]

I do that in newsgroups.

(... or do I?)

[Brien K. Meehan]

You mean, besides finally feeling like a real man?

[Jay Honeck]

> You mean, besides finally feeling like a real man?

Phhhht.

I experienced the dainty "C" line of high-wing aircraft as a young
pilot, and decided that manly low-wings were the only way to go...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"