1942 DC-3 / C-47 on eBay

[Michael 182]

For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
C-47 that saw combat in WWII. Of course, the maintenance and fuel prices
might be a little steep - not to mention finding a hanger big enough to hold
the plane. Still, wouldn't it be cool to land at some out of the way airport
for a $1,000 hamburger...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1472160C


"Douglas C-47, left downwind..."

Michael

[Chris G.]

If only I my name was "West" and I lived in Jacksonville, Oregon.... (or
instead, I had just been the owner of that winning powerball ticket)

chris g......drooling

Morgans wrote:
> "Michael 182" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
>>C-47 that saw combat in WWII. Of course, the maintenance and fuel prices
>>might be a little steep - not to mention finding a hanger big enough to
>
> hold
>
>>the plane. Still, wouldn't it be cool to land at some out of the way
>
> airport
>
>>for a $1,000 hamburger...
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1472160C
>>
>>
>>"Douglas C-47, left downwind..."
>
>
> Who knows what condition the logs and engines are in, but the old gal looks
> pretty good, in the pictures. I would have to say that the "buy it now"
> price is probably a real deal.

[Morgans]

"Michael 182" > wrote in message
...
> For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
> C-47 that saw combat in WWII. Of course, the maintenance and fuel prices
> might be a little steep - not to mention finding a hanger big enough to
hold
> the plane. Still, wouldn't it be cool to land at some out of the way
airport
> for a $1,000 hamburger...
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1472160C
>
>
> "Douglas C-47, left downwind..."

Who knows what condition the logs and engines are in, but the old gal looks
pretty good, in the pictures. I would have to say that the "buy it now"
price is probably a real deal.
--
Jim in NC

[George Patterson]

Michael 182 wrote:

> For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
> C-47 that saw combat in WWII.

A new Skylane costs $500,000?

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Bob Chilcoat]

Total airframe time: 48,718 hours TTSN. Lessee, @ 150 mph average speed
(cruise is 175 mph) that'd be circa 7 million miles. 7 million/24,000 miles
= 291 times around the world. Quite the old war horse.
--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Michael 182" > wrote in message
...
> For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
> C-47 that saw combat in WWII. Of course, the maintenance and fuel prices
> might be a little steep - not to mention finding a hanger big enough to
> hold the plane. Still, wouldn't it be cool to land at some out of the way
> airport for a $1,000 hamburger...
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1472160C
>
>
> "Douglas C-47, left downwind..."
>
> Michael
>
>

[WRE]

I have about 200 hours or so in that plane (right seat). It used to belong
to Saber Air Cargo based at Charlotte(NC) Douglas Airport in NC which ceased
operation shortly after 911. One of my last trips with them was flying on 1
of 2 DC-3s full of HAZ MAT suits and petrie dishes for the CDC (Center for
Disease Control) near Atlanta and taking it up to NYC shortly after 911.
Mostly we moved auto parts around the country for the big auto makers...911
put an end to that. First Flight Out took over Saber but I guess they
couldn't make it either.

Was surprisingly an easy bird to fly. Not fast but once trimmed flew
straight and level. It drew a crowd where ever we went!
Oil is added by the gallons :)

Bob E.
ATP
Currently fly Hawker 700 out of UZA
Fort Mill, SC


"Michael 182" > wrote in message
...
> For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
> C-47 that saw combat in WWII. Of course, the maintenance and fuel prices
> might be a little steep - not to mention finding a hanger big enough to
> hold the plane. Still, wouldn't it be cool to land at some out of the way
> airport for a $1,000 hamburger...
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1472160C
>
>
> "Douglas C-47, left downwind..."
>
> Michael
>
>

[Montblack]

("WRE" wrote)
[snip]
> Was surprisingly an easy bird to fly. Not fast but once trimmed flew
> straight and level. It drew a crowd where ever we went!
> Oil is added by the gallons :)


Do you recall the fuel burn? Average cruising speeds? Average altitude? Etc.

Any more DC-3 flying info/stories would be great. Thanks.


Montblack

[Micheal 182]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:33:57 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Michael 182 wrote:
>
>> For about 25% of the cost of a new Skylane or Cirrus you can have a 1942
>> C-47 that saw combat in WWII.
>
>A new Skylane costs $500,000?
>
>George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.


It's an auction. No one pays the buy it now price.

[JohnH]

Montblack wrote:
> ("WRE" wrote)
> [snip]
>> Was surprisingly an easy bird to fly. Not fast but once trimmed flew
>> straight and level. It drew a crowd where ever we went!
>> Oil is added by the gallons :)
>
>
> Do you recall the fuel burn? Average cruising speeds? Average
> altitude? Etc.
> Any more DC-3 flying info/stories would be great. Thanks.

Yes, would love to hear them!

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

WRE wrote:
> I have about 200 hours or so in that plane (right seat). It used to belong
> to Saber Air Cargo based at Charlotte(NC) Douglas Airport in NC which ceased
> operation shortly after 911.


One of many times they ceased operations. Back in 1990, they went belly up
right after I took the ground school for the DC-3 but before I got a chance to
actually fly it. I still have the manual for it: N74589 along with several of
those Richey Lengel cheat sheets. I was flying one of their C-402s at the time.


> Bob E.
> ATP
> Currently fly Hawker 700 out of UZA


Funny you should mention UZA; I learned how to fly down there and even flew part
135 for them back in the days when Col Goddammit was the chief pilot.... back
when it was still called 29J. I still fly there out of Rock Hill Aviation when
I can afford it.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Montblack wrote:
> Do you recall the fuel burn? Average cruising speeds? Average altitude? Etc.
>
> Any more DC-3 flying info/stories would be great. Thanks.


I've got them if he doesn't... straight from the Saber cheat sheets. They had
two C-47s (N115SA and N74589):

Flight plan 100 gallons/hr @ 28" and 2050 RPM. It held 202 gallons of LL each
in the mains and 200 each in the aux tanks along with 29 gallons of oil each
(fill to 25 gallons). There was a 3 gallon reserve for prop feathering.

Power Settings: 45-48" @2700 for take off; 42" @2550 for METO, 36" @2350 for
climb and 28" @2050 for cruise.

Max gross T.O. weight was 26,900.

Speeds:

V1/V2/Vr 84 knots
Vx 84
Vy105
Normal Climb 110-120
Vxse 84
Vyse 94
Vmc 79
Vne 190
Vno 159
Va 122
Vs1 67 (clean)
Vso 64 (dirty)
Max Crosswind 10-13

As for flying stories, you'll have to ask Bob. I never got a chance beyond the
ground school. My dad has 1000+ hours in them though....



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[George Patterson]

Micheal 182 wrote:

> It's an auction. No one pays the buy it now price.

I've paid that in the past if I wanted the item. I notice that the reserve price
is something over $55,000. I'd bet it's a *lot* more than that; in fact, I'd bet
the reserve is very close to the "buy it now" price. Nobody's likely to get that
plane for 25% of the price of a new Skylane.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[WRE]

Seems someone already posted the particulars...speeds and such....but I
think the best ground speed I saw was 150kts or so.

Because we were part 135 we never went above 10,000 feet when carrying
cargo...sometimes higher if we weren't.
and it gets a bit cold up there even though the plane has heat.

The best story I have about flying in N58NA?

One of my first flights was taking what to me looked like a leading edge
slat for one of US Air's airplanes from Charlotte to the maintenance hanger
for US Air down in Tampa.
Upon landing ,the tower cleared us to taxi to the maintenance hanger. So we
pulled right up in front of the hanger and as we shut the engines down I
looked out at the hanger and everyone of the mechanics who was working had
dropped what they were doing and were making there way over to the DC-3. It
gave me goose bumps as about 20-30 guys all walked towards us....in unison
like they had seen the second coming. After about 10 minutes someone made
an announcement over the PA system for "everyone get back to work"

The best flying story...

Again this was rather early in my flying the DC-3 but we were somewhere over
the midwest and the ATC controller came over the radio and told us that
there were level 5 thunderstorms directly ahead of us and what did we want
to do. The captain asked if there was anyway around it and was told only if
we deviated about 150 miles to the east or west. Well, that would have
taken us close to 2 hours to deviate that far so the captain made the
decision to fly through them. It was one of the roughest rides I have ever
experienced and I just kept telling myself that this bird has been flying
for over 60 years.... The ride was so rough we had to request a 2000 foot
block of altitude (which we got) because we were unable to hold altitude. I
clearly remember looking over at the captain, he had the yoke pushed almost
fully forward, yet we were still gaining altitude....got to love lifting
action in a thunderstorm! Needless to say we made it out the
otherside....but it was one hell of a ride!

Have a few more if your interested

Bob E.
ATP
Currently fly Hawker 700 (N412DP) out of UZA
Fort Mill, SC



"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("WRE" wrote)
> [snip]
>> Was surprisingly an easy bird to fly. Not fast but once trimmed flew
>> straight and level. It drew a crowd where ever we went!
>> Oil is added by the gallons :)
>
>
> Do you recall the fuel burn? Average cruising speeds? Average altitude?
> Etc.
>
> Any more DC-3 flying info/stories would be great. Thanks.
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Casey Wilson]

>
> Have a few more if your interested
>
> Bob E.
> ATP
> Currently fly Hawker 700 (N412DP) out of UZA
> Fort Mill, SC

Can't speak for the rest, but I want more....

Encore! Encore!

[John Gaquin]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
>
>
> Do you recall the fuel burn? Average cruising speeds? Average altitude?
> Etc.
>
> Any more DC-3 flying info/stories would be great. Thanks.

I flew '3s for a short while for a Massachusetts commuter about 25 years
ago. 100 gal/hr, gross at 26600 w/ 32 pax, cruise about 130 or 135, iirc,
land on a 3000' runway and make the turnoff. absolutely the best landing
you'll ever get, if you trust her.

[tom pettit]

My neighbor owns the Flying Tom airstrip and flies a DC3 in and out of his
strip. It is only 1600 X 40 feet. I bet he doesn't do it at full gross!
The airstrip can be seen here: http://www.airnav.com/airport/OR39

tom


> I flew '3s for a short while for a Massachusetts commuter about 25 years
> ago. 100 gal/hr, gross at 26600 w/ 32 pax, cruise about 130 or 135, iirc,
> land on a 3000' runway and make the turnoff. absolutely the best landing
> you'll ever get, if you trust her.
>

[aviatoratelstree]

Hi Bob
I am one of the mechanics that helped rebuild N74589 at Covington and flew it up to Oshkosh
Do you still have the Manuals, it would be cool to get them back
Thanks
Regards Dave