AOPA propaganda

[Skylune]

In bitching about recent news coverage about saftey at a local airport (the
media don't get it right, they aren't experts, they create hysteria....),
AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:

"Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for a
decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count we
might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."


AOPA's standards of journalism and objectivity are the model for all
media!!!

[Skylune]

Not to be outdone by his underling, the President of the AOPA embarks on
his own bit of "objective" journalism:

"The airline association actually stated that it believes that $3 billion
annually should shift to other system users; in other words, general
aviation. Their way to shift the financial burden is to implement user
fees for operations in the ATC system. Easy for the airlines to accept
this method since, as I recently pointed out to Congress, it is the
airline passengers who would pay the fees. However, GA pilots and owners
pay an efficiently collected fuel tax that comes from our own pockets."

OK, sure Phil, the airlines don't actually pay a cent in user fees, only
the passengers do. Right, got it. But then, later in the article he says,


"This is not some benign project because the accompanying spreadsheets of
numbers suggest GA is a major user of the IFR system. Excuse me, but
wasn't and isn't this system designed for the airlines, and GA is a very
incremental user?"

Excuse me indeed. Then wouldn't the user fees be nominal?

I hope he got this part right:
" In a newly introduced topic, the FAA has a question about actually
releasing airports from the important guarantees that accompany federal
funding so federally funded airports will remain open and be available to
all users."

[Skylune]

Cool. A private forum.

OK guys, you can sneak a peak. Here is the questionaire that the
honorable president of the AOPA is commenting on (wondering how many times
that clown will use the word "actually" to imply that something is simply
outrageous to AOPA).

Note that the questionaire also mentions increased AVGAS taxes as an
alternative. Boyer doesn't mention this in his most recent diatribe. He
had better "take on" the FAA about this too!

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/aep/aatf/media/Questions%20for%20Stakeholders.pdf

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> In bitching about recent news coverage about saftey at a local airport
> (the
> media don't get it right, they aren't experts, they create hysteria....),
> AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:
>
> "Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
> medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
> talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for a
> decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
> activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count we
> might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
> anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."
>
> AOPA's standards of journalism and objectivity are the model for all
> media!!!

Huh? AOPA lobbyists don't purport to be journalists. Regardless, though, the
argument put forth in that quote is indeed unfortunate; it's like saying
that Russian Roulette is an activity with negligible risk, since there are
very few participants and consequently very few fatalities.

But you fail to mention where this quote appears. Can you provide a link,
please?

--Gary

[Skylune]

Gary: Here's the link. Pretty much anything that that clown Boyer says is
totally irrational, sometimes even (like this example) what a professor
used to call "internally contradictory." Yup, he said it, in AOPA
President's message.


http://www.aopa.org/prez/prespos.html

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Gary: Here's the link. Pretty much anything that that clown Boyer says
> is
> totally irrational, sometimes even (like this example) what a professor
> used to call "internally contradictory." Yup, he said it, in AOPA
> President's message.
>
> http://www.aopa.org/prez/prespos.html

No, that's not a link to the quote I was asking about.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
>> AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:
>>
>> "Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
>> medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
>> talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for
>> a
>> decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
>> activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count
>> we
>> might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
>> anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."
>>
>> AOPA's standards of journalism and objectivity are the model for all
>> media!!!
>
> Huh? AOPA lobbyists don't purport to be journalists. Regardless, though,
> the
> argument put forth in that quote is indeed unfortunate; it's like saying
> that Russian Roulette is an activity with negligible risk, since there are
> very few participants and consequently very few fatalities.
>
> But you fail to mention where this quote appears. Can you provide a link,
> please?
>
> --Gary

[Tom Conner]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Gary: Here's the link. Pretty much anything that that clown Boyer says
is
> totally irrational, sometimes even (like this example) what a professor
> used to call "internally contradictory." Yup, he said it, in AOPA
> President's message.
>
>
> http://www.aopa.org/prez/prespos.html
>
>

Will you learn how to post. Quote the text to which you are replying.

[Skylune]

Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So it
was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
(spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats; Boyer wrote his
stupidity about the user fee issue.

[Skylune]

"Skylune" <longislandsurfer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:13b989e940e7437e586f9ca1b7e75d86@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gary: Here's the link. Pretty much anything that that clown Boyer
says
is
> totally irrational, sometimes even (like this example) what a
professor
> used to call "internally contradictory." Yup, he said it, in AOPA
> President's message.
>
>
> http://www.aopa.org/prez/prespos.html
>
>

>Will you learn how to post. Quote the text to >which you are replying.


Trolls have difficulty with authority figures and taking orders.

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So it
> was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
> (spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats;

I was suspicious of the quote to begin with because it is so poorly written;
AOPA's copy is usually competently edited. If you can't find a link to the
statement, I'll assume it was not in fact issued by AOPA.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
>> AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:
>>
>> "Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
>> medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
>> talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for
>> a
>> decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
>> activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count
>> we
>> might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
>> anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."
> ...
> But you fail to mention where this quote appears. Can you provide a link,
> please?
>
> --Gary

[Tom Conner]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
>
>
> "Skylune" <longislandsurfer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote in message
> news:13b989e940e7437e586f9ca1b7e75d86@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Gary: Here's the link. Pretty much anything that that clown Boyer
> says
> is
> > totally irrational, sometimes even (like this example) what a
> professor
> > used to call "internally contradictory." Yup, he said it, in AOPA
> > President's message.
> >
> >
> > http://www.aopa.org/prez/prespos.html
> >
> >
>
> >Will you learn how to post. Quote the text to which you are replying.
>
>
> Trolls have difficulty with authority figures and taking orders.

Good post. However, if you want to consider yourself above everyone and not
bother with basic etiquette then that is your right. Just because someone
doesn't reply to a message does not mean that it isn't being read. Since
you never know who is reading your message, it is to your advantage to make
your posts readable and understandable. When you just post answers out of
context then it comes across as gibberish.

[Skylune]

Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So
it
> was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
> (spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats;

I was suspicious of the quote to begin with because it is so poorly
written;
AOPA's copy is usually competently edited. If you can't find a link to
the

statement, I'll assume it was not in fact issued by AOPA.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
>
lkaboutaviation.com...
>> AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:
>>
>> "Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
>> medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life.
We're
>> talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses
for
>> a
>> decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other
common
>> activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip
count

>> we
>> might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
>> anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in
automobiles."
> ...
> But you fail to mention where this quote appears. Can you provide a
link,
> please?
>


Sheesh. Even though i posted the links to the other two site, you don't
believe me. Ok. I will find it, especially now that you've gone on the
record stating how poorly worded it is. I agree.

[Skylune]

Gary wrote:
by "Gary Drescher" > Oct 24, 2005 at 05:38 PM


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So
it
> was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
> (spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats;

>I was suspicious of the quote to begin with >because it is so poorly
>written;
>AOPA's copy is usually competently edited. If >you can't find a link to
the

>statement, I'll assume it was not in fact >issued by AOPA.


Well, you know the old saying about assuming, right Gary. Here is the
link to the article, in its entirety. (And, "competently edited" you say?
I assume you are joking.)

by "Gary Drescher" > Oct 24, 2005 at 05:38 PM


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So
it
> was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
> (spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats;

I was suspicious of the quote to begin with because it is so poorly
written;
AOPA's copy is usually competently edited. If you can't find a link to
the

statement, I'll assume it was not in fact issued by AOPA.


by "Gary Drescher" > Oct 24, 2005 at 05:38 PM


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Damn. I can't find it. It came up on a Google News alert this AM. So
it
> was just published. But it is in AOPA somewhere. The guy named Cerula
> (spelling??) wrote (inanely) about the accident stats;

I was suspicious of the quote to begin with because it is so poorly
written;
AOPA's copy is usually competently edited. If you can't find a link to
the

statement, I'll assume it was not in fact issued by AOPA.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2005/sp0511.html

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> by "Gary Drescher" > Oct 24, 2005 at 05:38 PM
>>I was suspicious of the quote to begin with
>>because it is so poorly written; AOPA's copy is usually competently
>>edited.
>>If you can't find a link to the statement, I'll assume it was not in fact
>>issued by AOPA.
>
> Well, you know the old saying about assuming, right Gary. Here is the
> link to the article, in its entirety.
> http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2005/sp0511.html

Oh well. I guess I need to revise my expectations about AOPA's articles.
Thanks for the link.

--Gary

[Skylune]

Anytime. The funny thing is that if the regular media had stated the very
same things in exactly the same way(e.g. "an inept instrument pilot
attempting to land," or " "Another accident cited the pilot of a
single-engine Cessna who had obtained a weather briefing the day before
the flight but "forgot" to get an update when fog covered the airport, and
the aircraft crashed somewhere in the county") the article would have been
ridiculed.

IMO, this AOPA article is a total hatchet job itself. Not only is it
poorly written, but the "statistical" paragraph is absolutely laughable.

[John T]

Gary Drescher wrote:
>
> Oh well. I guess I need to revise my expectations about AOPA's
> articles.

What article? That was an opinion piece.

--
John T
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[George Patterson]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

>"Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
>medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
>talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for a
>decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
>activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count we
>might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
>anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."

The "this" referred to in the first sentence is the fact that five people had
died in 19 years at that airport and none had died during the last 13 years.
You're the one slanting things here, not Landsberg.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Gary Drescher]

"John T" > wrote in message
m...
> Gary Drescher wrote:
>>
>> Oh well. I guess I need to revise my expectations about AOPA's
>> articles.
>
> What article? That was an opinion piece.

Huh? Of course it's an opinion piece. Perhaps you're thinking of the
distinction between opinion articles and news articles (AOPA does not
purport to be a news publication), but both kinds are certainly articles.

--Gary

[John T]

Gary Drescher wrote:
>
> Perhaps you're thinking of the
> distinction between opinion articles and news articles (AOPA does not
> purport to be a news publication), but both kinds are certainly
> articles.

I was dinstinguishing between a typical "article" which is a news story
rather than an opinion piece (usually classified as a "column", but is still
an article of the publication).

As an opinion column, it didn't disappoint me the way it seemed to
dissapoint you (even though I wouldn't have used the "exposure argument").

--
John T
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[Skylune]

You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a series
in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
slanted?

I'm surprised you would think that.

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a series
> in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
> slanted?
>
> I'm surprised you would think that.

I can't tell whom you're addressing here.

[Dave Stadt]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
> > You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a
series
> > in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
> > slanted?
> >
> > I'm surprised you would think that.
>
> I can't tell whom you're addressing here.

Skylune can't even learn how to make an intelligible post yet thinks he can
learn to pilot an aircraft.

[Skylune]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a
series
> in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
> slanted?
>
>> I'm surprised you would think that.

>I can't tell whom you're addressing here.


I was addressing John T, who said the AOPA article was not an article.

[Gary Drescher]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
>> You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a
> series
>> in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
>> slanted?
>>
>>> I'm surprised you would think that.
>
>>I can't tell whom you're addressing here.
>
> I was addressing John T, who said the AOPA article was not an article.

Your post shows up as a reply to my message rather than John's. That's
another good reason you should always quote what you're replying to, as
others have suggested.

--Gary

[Skylune]

Re: AOPA propaganda
by "Dave Stadt" > Oct 25, 2005 at 06:16 PM


"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
>
lkaboutaviation.com...
> > You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a
series
> > in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
> > slanted?
> >
> > I'm surprised you would think that.
>
> I can't tell whom you're addressing here.

>Skylune can't even learn how to make an >intelligible post yet thinks he
>can
>learn to pilot an aircraft.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are great, wonderful, and an uberpilot. I am a mere
mortal.

You have no clue as to my capabilities. If I want to learn to fly, I
will. (BTW, i usually just hit the "reply to post" button.)

[Skylune]

OK. Gary wrote:

Your post shows up as a reply to my message rather than John's. That's
another good reason you should always quote what you're replying to, as
others have suggested.

--Gary

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
>
lkaboutaviation.com...
>> You think that article (yes article: "A given section or item of a
> series
>> in a written document" American Heritage College Dictionary) is not
>> slanted?
>>
>>> I'm surprised you would think that.
>
>>I can't tell whom you're addressing here.
>
> I was addressing John T, who said the AOPA article was not an article.

OK. OK?

[Skylune]

Don't forget, I am Skylune, a big fat turd.



"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> In bitching about recent news coverage about saftey at a local airport
> (the
> media don't get it right, they aren't experts, they create hysteria....),
> AOPA posted this gem on accident statistics:
>
> "Now put this into perspective with car crashes, household accidents,
> medical mishaps, and the innumerable other risks of everyday life. We're
> talking losses on a monthly basis that likely exceed aviation losses for a
> decade. The risk in aviation is negligible compared to some other common
> activities when exposure is considered. On a per-mile or per-trip count we
> might not fare as well as we'd like, but most of us aren't aloft with
> anywhere near the same frequency compared to traveling in automobiles."
>
>
> AOPA's standards of journalism and objectivity are the model for all
> media!!!
>
>

[Cecil Chapman]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
...
> Don't forget, I am Skylune, a big fat turd.
>

Ah, I understand now! Fee Fi Fo Fum!

Back under the bridge you go! ;)

Thank goodness for that 'block' button! :)

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=-----
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Cecil E. Chapman
CP-ASEL-IA

Student - C.F.I.

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
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- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

[Skylune]

You are Skylune's impostor, and a very weak one at that.