2002 ASW 27B

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2002,#27177. CAI 302 w/303, Sage CVA, B-40 vario, ASI, Altimeter, PAI
compass, FGS 71G radio, LCD clock, Ipaq 3650 w/Winpilot, Aero O2
system, 2 batteries w/charger. Large Nixon dump valves with factory
double wing vents for water tanks. Wings profiled by Appleby. 2002
Cobra trailer, fiberglass top w/solar vent, tow out gear, new tires.
Contest ID #711. $85,000.00 1-505-434-1175.

[Eric Greenwell]

wrote:
> 2002,#27177. CAI 302 w/303, Sage CVA, B-40 vario

Three varios? Which one do you listen to, look at, connect to the Ipaq?

And I'm curious about how you use the 303 and Winpilot, since there is
some overlap there.


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Well Eric, the Sage doesn't have a GPS or a audio. the B-40 does have
a audio, but no GPS and the CAI 302 does have a GPS and a audio. The
B-40 and CAI 302 have a adjustment nob for audio volume. The CAI 302
and the B-40 do have different audio outputs, so it is very simple to
hear the difference. My right ear is trained to hear the B-40, and the
left ear is trained to hear the CAI 302. The 303 displays alot of
useful information which is used with the read out of the CAI 302 (if
you go to the CAI website you can study this information and maybe
increase your x-country speed) but the CAI 303 doesn't have a moving
map display, as does the Winpilot. Winpilot does require a IPAQ to use
and needs a GPS, which in my case is the CAI 302. WinPilot is useful
for TAT's, MAT's and for contest flying and tid bits of information,
such as making a task before you go fly, FAI triangles, and other
kinda neat stuff, such as using See You to make a task at home, then
send it to Winpilot, so you can then send it to the CAI 302 when its
time to go fly. You can go to WinPilot's website, and check it out
there. Winpilot gives the user alot of information inwhich they can
choose what they wish to see/use. I have found the B-40 is great for
working weak lift, the Sage CVA is great for when I see 14-20 kt
climbs in places like Ely, Parowan, or Alamogordo. The CAI 302 is also
used as a speed to fly instrument, and that's alot more detailed than
I want to go into at this time. BUT Eric, the most important thing is
...its what I like. # 711.

[BTIZ]

why 3 varios... taking a sample average and deciding from there?
and why would the wings have to be "profiled " in 3 years since new?
BT

> wrote in message
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> 2002,#27177. CAI 302 w/303, Sage CVA, B-40 vario, ASI, Altimeter, PAI
> compass, FGS 71G radio, LCD clock, Ipaq 3650 w/Winpilot, Aero O2
> system, 2 batteries w/charger. Large Nixon dump valves with factory
> double wing vents for water tanks. Wings profiled by Appleby. 2002
> Cobra trailer, fiberglass top w/solar vent, tow out gear, new tires.
> Contest ID #711. $85,000.00 1-505-434-1175.
>

[Andy Blackburn]

At 01:12 25 October 2005, Btiz wrote:
>why 3 varios... taking a sample average and deciding
>from there?

I fly with a 302 driving WinPilot, an LX 7000 and a
Winter vario. The 302/Winpilot is for primary vario
and task management, the LX 7000 is for alternates,
a second opinion on winds/final glides, and a full
GPS/logger/computer/vario backup and the Winter is
in case my electrics go kaput. Why do I do it? Because
I can.

>and why would the wings have to be 'profiled ' in 3
>years since new?

Ooooh, that's a sore point for Schleicher owners -
thanks for poking at it. My -27 goes in for sanding
this winter. Spar shrinkage was starting to hurt performance.

9B

[Andy Blackburn]

At 21:48 24 October 2005, wrote:
>2002,#27177. >Contest ID #711. $85,000.00 1-505-434-1175.

Tom, you better have a new glider on the way man.

9B

[Andy Blackburn]

At 21:48 24 October 2005, wrote:
>2002,#27177. >Contest ID #711. $85,000.00 1-505-434-1175.

Tom, you better have a new glider on the way man.

9B

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Yes Andy, is right, and Bears do sh-t in the woods...... Hell, I
haven't even looked at the vario's for along time, I just listen to em
sing that majic song..........I am going to be at Pauls on the evening
of the 29th. You going to be around? # 711.

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Eric,

I also use several redundant systems in my ventus. Sage, B50, B2000 &
WinPilot PRO. I used WinPilot PRO for Tasking , climb maximizer and
navigation, marking lift (lift dots), wind, final glide etc, the B50
for speed to fly (sound etc.) climb. Sage as a back up. ( I haven't
need it, but is does match the B50.) I set the B2000 for alternate
airports & landing fields in the area that I am flying and a check on
the Wind Calcs and final glide.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[BTIZ]

>>and why would the wings have to be 'profiled ' in 3
>>years since new?
>
> Ooooh, that's a sore point for Schleicher owners -
> thanks for poking at it. My -27 goes in for sanding
> this winter. Spar shrinkage was starting to hurt performance.
>
> 9B

Sorry Andy... remind me to look for that if I every buy a used ASW.
I can understand the mechanical backup for no batteries on the GPS loggers..
N52AB (Original 9B) is well past time for sanding and painting on the wings.
But it serves fine as a club "transition to glass" ship and initial cross
country flying.
BT

[BTIZ]

I should have added.. LS4 9B made the cross country across Death Valley from
Jean NV to Lone Pine CA twice now on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend.
BT

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:3cB7f.14004$MN6.1738@fed1read04...
>>>and why would the wings have to be 'profiled ' in 3
>>>years since new?
>>
>> Ooooh, that's a sore point for Schleicher owners -
>> thanks for poking at it. My -27 goes in for sanding
>> this winter. Spar shrinkage was starting to hurt performance.
>>
>> 9B
>
> Sorry Andy... remind me to look for that if I every buy a used ASW.
> I can understand the mechanical backup for no batteries on the GPS
> loggers..
> N52AB (Original 9B) is well past time for sanding and painting on the
> wings.
> But it serves fine as a club "transition to glass" ship and initial cross
> country flying.
> BT
>

[Eric Greenwell]

wrote:

> Well Eric, the Sage doesn't have a GPS or a audio. the B-40 does have
> a audio, but no GPS and the CAI 302 does have a GPS and a audio.

One of the reasons I like my 302 is it does it all (KISS principle for
me). No redundancy, however, but I can fire up the motor and get home
(the ultimate redundancy).

> The
> B-40 and CAI 302 have a adjustment nob for audio volume. The CAI 302
> and the B-40 do have different audio outputs, so it is very simple to
> hear the difference. My right ear is trained to hear the B-40, and the
> left ear is trained to hear the CAI 302.

What differences do you hear? Is one set for faster response than the
other, or it is a matter of different responses to gusts? I set the
audio on my 302 for a faster response than it's needle, so I do get two
"types" of information.

> The 303 displays alot of
> useful information which is used with the read out of the CAI 302 (if
> you go to the CAI website you can study this information and maybe
> increase your x-country speed) but the CAI 303 doesn't have a moving
> map display, as does the Winpilot.

I use SeeYou Mobile, which is similar to Winpilot. I looked at the 303
info on the CAI website, and it had nothing that wasn't available on the
302 itself, or on Mobile. I've not used Winpilot in flight, just the
simulator. What does the 303 show you that lets you increase your XC
speed that you can't see on the 302 itself, or in Winpilot? Or is it a
matter of displaying different info on each instrument, to avoid
pressing buttons, and if so, what's on the 303, what's on Winpilot? I
bet I'm not the only pilot that's interested!

> I have found the B-40 is great for
> working weak lift,

Is it the audio or the needle that help the most?

> the Sage CVA is great for when I see 14-20 kt
> climbs in places like Ely, Parowan, or Alamogordo.

Haven't had that "problem"! Ely - maybe next year!

> The CAI 302 is also
> used as a speed to fly instrument, and that's alot more detailed than
> I want to go into at this time. BUT Eric, the most important thing is
> ..its what I like. # 711.

I assumed that - just trying to learn what other pilots use, and why, so
I can make better choices. Two varios is common, three isn't.

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[Andy Blackburn]

At 00:42 28 October 2005, Btiz wrote:
>I should have added.. LS4 9B made the cross country
>across Death Valley from
>Jean NV to Lone Pine CA twice now on the Friday before
>Memorial Day weekend.
>BT

Glad to see the old girl is still putting in the XC
miles - many happy memories in that cockpit for me.
Does it still have the Blumenauer vario? Now there's
an artifact!

9B

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Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
displays alot more information than the 302 shows. Read the manual on
it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
27 is for sale, not as a training topic. Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
believe that? My God. # 711.

[Eric Greenwell]

wrote:
> Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
> displays alot more information than the 302 shows.

I know that, but in combination with Winpilot that you use (or SeeYou
Mobile that I use), how is it an asset? Doesn't the 302/winpilot show
you everything that the 303 does? The 303 seems redundant, so I'm trying
to determine if it's the redundancy you value, dual displays showing
different sets of information, or some other reason.

Read the manual on
> it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
> that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
> keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
> 27 is for sale, not as a training topic.

I'm not looking for training (though I might benefit from some...), but
mostly for exposure to new ideas. If I just talk to guys that do stuff
exactly like I do, I'm not going to learn much. Better to talk to the
guy (or guys, if there is more than one out there) with three varios!

> Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
> email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
> believe that? My God. # 711.

Is he the guy with nine batteries to charge?


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[Tim Ward]

> wrote in message
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> Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
> displays alot more information than the 302 shows. Read the manual on
> it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
> that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
> keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
> 27 is for sale, not as a training topic. Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
> email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
> believe that? My God. # 711.
>

A man with one vario knows how fast he's climbing. A man with two is never
sure.

Tim Ward

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He who knows that he knows not is far wiser than he who knows not that
he knows not.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[g l i d e r s t u d]

I have 2 varios. I use 2 seperate flight computer running off of their
own GPS each on their own electrical system that are not connected. So
if my main system with 2 batteries go out. I will always have my
volkslogger and PDA to use to get home and more importantly score my
flight because it has its own battery. Plus that one has 2 flight
computer software's on it, so depending on my mood I can pick which one
I want.

Yes I charge all 3 batteries every night at contests.

If I was a big guy I would use the tail battery and have 4 batteries.

Redundancy is good when your trying to win.

[bumper]

> wrote in message
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> He who knows that he knows not is far wiser than he who knows not that
> he knows not.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>

Huh?

bumper

[Eric Greenwell]

g l i d e r s t u d wrote:
> I have 2 varios. I use 2 seperate flight computer running off of their
> own GPS each on their own electrical system that are not connected.

Are you using both varios during a normal flight, or just switch between
them if one has a problem? Same question for the flight computers.

> So
> if my main system with 2 batteries go out. I will always have my
> volkslogger and PDA to use to get home and more importantly score my
> flight because it has its own battery. Plus that one has 2 flight
> computer software's on it, so depending on my mood I can pick which one
> I want.

Which two programs do you use, and what would make you choose one or the
other?


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[BTIZ]

> At 00:42 28 October 2005, Btiz wrote:
>>I should have added.. LS4 9B made the cross country
>>across Death Valley from
>>Jean NV to Lone Pine CA twice now on the Friday before
>>Memorial Day weekend.
>>BT
>
> Glad to see the old girl is still putting in the XC
> miles - many happy memories in that cockpit for me.
> Does it still have the Blumenauer vario? Now there's
> an artifact!
>
> 9B

yes it does.. and working Great!!
BT (9B)

[BTIZ]

> Glad to see the old girl is still putting in the XC
> miles - many happy memories in that cockpit for me.
> Does it still have the Blumenauer vario? Now there's
> an artifact!
>
> 9B

I should add that a newly minted pilot.. checked out in her today..
first flight in the LS... he'll be doing cross country next summer after
getting used to her this winter.
BT

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Yah. Just keeping Tommy's thread going.

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I encourage all you guys to add still more systems !
It keeps you confused and I can beat you more easily.
Personally, I'll stick with an ILEC SN10 and a mechanical backup;
anybody wanna race ? Or just type on RAS ?
See ya, Dave

[01-- Zero One]

I'll race you, Dave! Bet you I can beat you to the Mexican Cantina in
Batesville! In fact, I will bet you a Dos Equis that they serve my food
before yours too! :-)



Larry

"01" USA

" > wrote in message
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> I encourage all you guys to add still more systems !
> It keeps you confused and I can beat you more easily.
> Personally, I'll stick with an ILEC SN10 and a mechanical backup;
> anybody wanna race ? Or just type on RAS ?
> See ya, Dave

[Andy Blackburn]

At 02:54 02 November 2005, wrote:
>I encourage all you guys to add still more systems
>!
>It keeps you confused and I can beat you more easily.
>Personally, I'll stick with an ILEC SN10 and a mechanical
>backup;
>anybody wanna race ? Or just type on RAS ?
>See ya, Dave

I agree, the SN-10 packs in the confusion of any three
other instruments.

I'll race - do you want a handicap for your V2 or are
you getting a Schleicher?

;-)

9B

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Ha ! Uvalde at dawn then !