Landing on Freeway

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Here is a link to story about landing on the freeway
http://www.ecmpostreview.com/2005/October/26cessna.html
My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

[Larry Dighera]

On 27 Oct 2005 05:14:03 -0700, wrote in
. com>::

>Here is a link to story about landing on the freeway
>http://www.ecmpostreview.com/2005/October/26cessna.html
>My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

In the Los Angeles area the freeways are almost always too crowded to
provide a successful landing site. There are always the issues of
roadside poles and power lines when considering a landing on a road,
which can be more problematic than automobile traffic.

Given the scenario of the story you cite, freeways in Minnesota at
night may be a reasonable choice. A forced night landing is not a
happy prospect even with night-vision goggles.

An old pilot once told me, when forced to land at night, turn on the
landing light, and when you get close to the ground if you don't like
what you see, turn it off. :-(

[Stefan]

wrote:

> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

Why do you assume that anybody in this newsgroup knows what most people
think?

Stefan

[sfb]

Damn it, Mabel, I told you that you needed new glasses. We're driving on
the airport.

> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

[Jay Honeck]

> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

Depends on what else is in the area.

At night I'd land on I-80 or I-380 (our two "local" interstate highways)
without a second thought. During the day, I'd aim for a field, presuming
there was one nearby.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gary Drescher]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Here is a link to story about landing on the freeway
> http://www.ecmpostreview.com/2005/October/26cessna.html
> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?

It's a reasonable option if traffic is sparse and if you can veer to an
adjoining unpopulated area if obstacles become apparent when you get close
to the road.

--Gary

[Greg Farris]

In article . com>,
says...

>My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>

One more abuse of Federal funding by General Aviation!

[Nathan Young]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:08:13 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>
>Depends on what else is in the area.
>
>At night I'd land on I-80 or I-380 (our two "local" interstate highways)
>without a second thought. During the day, I'd aim for a field, presuming
>there was one nearby.

As an FYI, I did a quick search on interstate width requirements and
found the following document...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards

So a two-lane interstate like I-80 in rural areas would be:
12 ft (lane #1)
12 ft (lane #2)
10 ft (shoulder #1)
4 ft (shoulder #2)
--------------------------------
38ft

So it would be possible to put a light single down on in the center
and not even hit a mile marker or reflector post on the sides...

-Nathan

[sfb]

Except the center between the roadways is where the drainage stuff
lives.

"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:08:13 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
>>> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>>
>>Depends on what else is in the area.
>>
>>At night I'd land on I-80 or I-380 (our two "local" interstate
>>highways)
>>without a second thought. During the day, I'd aim for a field,
>>presuming
>>there was one nearby.
>
> As an FYI, I did a quick search on interstate width requirements and
> found the following document...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards
>
> So a two-lane interstate like I-80 in rural areas would be:
> 12 ft (lane #1)
> 12 ft (lane #2)
> 10 ft (shoulder #1)
> 4 ft (shoulder #2)
> --------------------------------
> 38ft
>
> So it would be possible to put a light single down on in the center
> and not even hit a mile marker or reflector post on the sides...
>
> -Nathan
>
>
>

[Paul kgyy]

It's a question of alternatives, as always. Daytime, busy freeway,
open field, use the field. Night, can't see anything on the ground,
use the freeway unless you know exactly where you are and that there is
a safer alternative.

My takeoff area is surrounded by petroleum tank farms. I'd take even a
busy freeway over that.

[John Theune]

sfb wrote:
> Except the center between the roadways is where the drainage stuff
> lives.
>
> "Nathan Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:08:13 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>>>
>>>Depends on what else is in the area.
>>>
>>>At night I'd land on I-80 or I-380 (our two "local" interstate
>>>highways)
>>>without a second thought. During the day, I'd aim for a field,
>>>presuming
>>>there was one nearby.
>>
>>As an FYI, I did a quick search on interstate width requirements and
>>found the following document...
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards
>>
>>So a two-lane interstate like I-80 in rural areas would be:
>>12 ft (lane #1)
>>12 ft (lane #2)
>>10 ft (shoulder #1)
>>4 ft (shoulder #2)
>>--------------------------------
>>38ft
>>
>>So it would be possible to put a light single down on in the center
>>and not even hit a mile marker or reflector post on the sides...
>>
>>-Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Except what the standard said was "At least two Lanes in each direction"
to be a interstate. So the median where the drainage ditch runs would
be to the left of Shoulder # 1 or Right of Shoulder #2 depending on your
orientation. I would guess when Nathan said landing on the center he
meant between the 2 lanes not in the median.

John

[Steve Foley]

I know what everybody thinks. I just keep quiet about it.


"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
> > My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>
> Why do you assume that anybody in this newsgroup knows what most people
> think?
>
> Stefan

[Dave Stadt]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...
> Greg Farris wrote:
>
> > In article . com>,
> > says...
> >
> >>My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
> >
> > One more abuse of Federal funding by General Aviation!
>
> OK, let's say you use auto gas in your plane and your state allows you
> to get a rebate of the highway tax for the gas you put in your plane.
> If you land your plane on the highway, do you have to return the rebate?

Wouldn't that be rebate the rebate. :-)

>
>
> -m
> --
> ## Mark T. Dame >
> ## VP, Product Development
> ## MFM Software, Inc. (http://www.mfm.com/)
> "A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory."

[Dave Stadt]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:Ow88f.24137$U2.22239@trndny04...
> I know what everybody thinks. I just keep quiet about it.

I knew you knew that.

[John Ousterhout]

wrote:
> Here is a link to story about landing on the freeway
> http://www.ecmpostreview.com/2005/October/26cessna.html
> My question is what do most people think about landing on a freeway?
>


http://ousterhout.net/funny/closemyflightplan.jpg

- J.O.-

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:47:16 GMT, John Ousterhout
> wrote in
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>http://ousterhout.net/funny/closemyflightplan.jpg

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[AJ]

Stefan -- I knew you were going to say that!

[George Patterson]

Nathan Young wrote:

> So it would be possible to put a light single down on in the center
> and not even hit a mile marker or reflector post on the sides...

It would be possible, but the wind kicked up by even an SUV would make things
very difficult.

"Cessna 60288, you're cleared to land. Beware wake turbulence departing semi."

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Ben Hallert]

Oblig:

Breaking news, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley plans to carve giant "X's"
into the I-35 Freeway at midnight tonight.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

[Morgans]

"Stefan" > wrote

> Why do you assume that anybody in this newsgroup knows what most people
> think?

I know what most people think. They are all out to get me! (twitch -
twitch)
--
Jim in NC

[W P Dixon]

During my last visit driving in Chicago i thought he'd already done that to
all the freeways there ;)

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Ben Hallert" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Oblig:
>
> Breaking news, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley plans to carve giant "X's"
> into the I-35 Freeway at midnight tonight.
>
> Ben Hallert
> PP-ASEL
>

[Skywise]

"Ben Hallert" > wrote in news:1130446604.902097.250800
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Oblig:
>
> Breaking news, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley plans to carve giant "X's"
> into the I-35 Freeway at midnight tonight.
>
> Ben Hallert
> PP-ASEL

Good one!!!! But according to the news article in the link, it
was 'Chisago'. Is the mayor of Chisago also named Daley?

I know, I'm picking on spelling. But it was done more than once.
I'm beginning to wonder if many of the stories posted on news
sites aren't scanned from print and the OCR software screws up,
and of course, no one proofreads the article. I see such silly
stupid mispellings every day. Another piece of evidence for
scanning is I see a lot of double quotes " turned into two single
quotes ''.

BTW, that's was one cool and collected student pilot. Cudos to
him!

Brian
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[Gary Drescher]

"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> But according to the news article in the link, it
> was 'Chisago'. Is the mayor of Chisago also named Daley?
>
> I know, I'm picking on spelling. But it was done more than once.
> I'm beginning to wonder if many of the stories posted on news
> sites aren't scanned from print and the OCR software screws up,
> and of course, no one proofreads the article.

No, they spelled it correctly. They're talking about Chisago, not Chicago.
Chicago would be quite a distance from which to send tow trucks to Rush
City, Minnesota. ("The plane, which had experienced an engine failure, was
towed to the Rush City Airport by Chisago County Sheriff's deputies.")
http://www.co.chisago.mn.us/

--Gary

[Jim Logajan]

Skywise > wrote:
> "Ben Hallert" > wrote in
> news:1130446604.902097.250800 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Oblig:
>>
>> Breaking news, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley plans to carve giant "X's"
>> into the I-35 Freeway at midnight tonight.
>>
>> Ben Hallert
>> PP-ASEL
>
> Good one!!!! But according to the news article in the link, it
> was 'Chisago'. Is the mayor of Chisago also named Daley?

There is no spelling error - the incident happened in Chisago county,
Minnesota. There is also a town of Chisago in Minnesota.

Note that if you follow I-35 south from Duluth you don't get anywhere near
Chicago Illinois.

[Nathan Young]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:56:14 GMT, John Theune >
wrote:

>sfb wrote:
>> Except the center between the roadways is where the drainage stuff
>> lives.

>Except what the standard said was "At least two Lanes in each direction"
>to be a interstate. So the median where the drainage ditch runs would
>be to the left of Shoulder # 1 or Right of Shoulder #2 depending on your
>orientation. I would guess when Nathan said landing on the center he
>meant between the 2 lanes not in the median.

Exactly.

One caveat to all of this: Since most interstates exhibit asymetric
shoulder widths - it would be tough to judge the actual center of the
pavement. You can't just land in the center of the two traffic lanes.

-Nathan

[john smith]

> As an FYI, I did a quick search on interstate width requirements and
> found the following document...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards
> So a two-lane interstate like I-80 in rural areas would be:
> 12 ft (lane #1)
> 12 ft (lane #2)
> 10 ft (shoulder #1)
> 4 ft (shoulder #2)
> --------------------------------
> 38ft
> So it would be possible to put a light single down on in the center
> and not even hit a mile marker or reflector post on the sides...

And if you fly a high wing airplane, you don't even need that much
width! ;_)

[Jose]

> One caveat to all of this: Since most interstates exhibit asymetric
> shoulder widths - it would be tough to judge the actual center of the
> pavement. You can't just land in the center of the two traffic lanes.

While true, it's not a big deal (IMHO, who has never landed on an
interstate). The difference in shoulder width is just a few feet (I
have driven them), and half that is all you need to stay left of the center.

Jose

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[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:

> I know what most people think. They are all out to get me! (twitch -
> twitch)

Calm yourself, Jim. There are some pretty competent people in this menagerie. If
we were all out to get you, ........

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[George Patterson]

Skywise wrote:

> Good one!!!! But according to the news article in the link, it
> was 'Chisago'.

http://www.ci.chisago.mn.us/

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Skywise]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in news:9cWdndJdrrvJ1fzeRVn-
:

> "Skywise" > wrote in message
> ...
>> But according to the news article in the link, it
>> was 'Chisago'. Is the mayor of Chisago also named Daley?
>>
>> I know, I'm picking on spelling. But it was done more than once.
>> I'm beginning to wonder if many of the stories posted on news
>> sites aren't scanned from print and the OCR software screws up,
>> and of course, no one proofreads the article.
>
> No, they spelled it correctly. They're talking about Chisago, not Chicago.
<Snipola>

Thanks for the info, guys. And here I thought I was good in geography!

Brian
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[gatt]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message

> It's a reasonable option if traffic is sparse and if you can veer to an
> adjoining unpopulated area if obstacles become apparent when you get close
> to the road.

Watch out for highway patrol. BillyBubba's Redneck Flight School exam
question #65:

Q: "What's a reason to hold the aircraft in ground effect as long as
possible in off-runway landings?"

A: "To avoid a speeding ticket."

-c