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[john smith]

Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
while flying?
(Just one of those things I think of while sitting in the lifeguard
chair protecting and empty pool.)

[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:33:51 GMT, john smith > wrote in
>::

>Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
>while flying?

If you consider Chess a sport, it might.

[Nathan Young]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:33:51 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
>while flying?
>(Just one of those things I think of while sitting in the lifeguard
>chair protecting and empty pool.)

I would think that any activity that promotes multitasking and
siutational awareness adds to the basic skills to make a good pilot.
However, in this case, the benefit is probably quite small.

[Skywise]

Nathan Young > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:33:51 GMT, john smith > wrote:
>
>>Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
>>while flying?
>>(Just one of those things I think of while sitting in the lifeguard
>>chair protecting and empty pool.)
>
> I would think that any activity that promotes multitasking and
> siutational awareness adds to the basic skills to make a good pilot.
> However, in this case, the benefit is probably quite small.

How about riding a motorcycle for 18 years in LA and Orange
counties? There's times I get where I'm going and have to
sit for a few minutes to let the adrenaline fade.

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[Peter R.]

john smith > wrote:

> Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
> while flying?

I suppose it depends on the sport. NASCAR driver? Probably. Curling?
Probably not.

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[Judah]

john smith > wrote in news:jsmith-74A58D.07335128102005
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> Does playing/having played sports increase ones situational awareness
> while flying?
> (Just one of those things I think of while sitting in the lifeguard
> chair protecting and empty pool.)

Golf for sure...

The search for the little ball in the air and/or in the grass is very
similar to the search for traffic that has just been called.

;)

[Jay Honeck]

> How about riding a motorcycle for 18 years in LA and Orange
> counties? There's times I get where I'm going and have to
> sit for a few minutes to let the adrenaline fade.

18 years? Man, you really are a glutton for punishment!

I've ridden in LA traffic twice. Don't want to do it again any time soon.
--
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Iowa City, IA
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"Your Aviation Destination"

[Skywise]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:aqi9f.289100$084.78299
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>> How about riding a motorcycle for 18 years in LA and Orange
>> counties? There's times I get where I'm going and have to
>> sit for a few minutes to let the adrenaline fade.
>
> 18 years? Man, you really are a glutton for punishment!
>
> I've ridden in LA traffic twice. Don't want to do it again any time soon.

Ok...minus one year that was in Washington state back in 91-92.

I learned to ride here and it's pretty much all I know. I have
a feeling if you can live for 18 years on a motorcycle in this
traffic (where I've actually had people TRY to run me off the
freeway because 80 wasn't fast enough*) then I must be doing
something right. As an aside, I've learned that if it's a choice
between my safety and obeying the law, the law get's thrown out
the window damned fast. Fortunately I've never had to argue that
in court.

*Funny how it's not considered assualt with a deadly weapon by
law enforcement. If you do the same to a cop it's assault. What
makes it happening to me any different? Just making a point, I'm
not expecting a discussion on it.

Back to lurking.....

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[Jay Honeck]

> I learned to ride here and it's pretty much all I know. I have
> a feeling if you can live for 18 years on a motorcycle in this
> traffic (where I've actually had people TRY to run me off the
> freeway because 80 wasn't fast enough*) then I must be doing
> something right.

LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at, and
(b) people actively tried to cut me off.

And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
"outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.

A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Skywise]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
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>> I learned to ride here and it's pretty much all I know. I have
>> a feeling if you can live for 18 years on a motorcycle in this
>> traffic (where I've actually had people TRY to run me off the
>> freeway because 80 wasn't fast enough*) then I must be doing
>> something right.
>
> LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at,
> and (b) people actively tried to cut me off.

Been there....done that....

I used to have lots of problems but I changed my riding style several
years ago and now it's rare for me to have 'issues'. There's several
ways I've found to sum it up,

I ride like everyone is trying to kill me.

I'm allergic to cars.

As a matter of fact, I DO own the road.

I pretend I'm in an F-16 flying low and out of ammo. All I
can do is outrun the enemy.

I'm sure I **** a few people off as I do what I do, but I'm only
doing what I've found is necessary to stay alive. I don't feel
as immortal as I did when I first started riding as a teenager.

I also don't take kindly to people telling me that what I do is
wrong or part of the problem, etc... When they've been riding
for as long as I have and been through what I've been through on
the road, then we'll talk.


> And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
> "outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.

hahahaha....maybe that's been helping me a bit!

I'm not 'outlaw'...but I would not get looked at funny if I walked
into a 'biker bar' (not that I drink). I have the Harley, I have the
leathers, I have the long hair and (short) beard...if your newsreader
can read X-Face...But the point is I'm not one of those new fangled
yuppy "biker for the weekend" types.

Most people seem to find me quite puzzling. A long haired Harley
riding loud music listening (and playing)....amateur scientist. :)


> A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...

You don't have to tell me!!! I am actually shocked, literally, when
someone goes out of their way to not be an ass. It's sad really, but
I think I've come to expect all humans to be that way. Perhaps I
need to get out of this area....I keep buying lottery tickets...

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[Ash Wyllie]

Jay Honeck opined

>> I learned to ride here and it's pretty much all I know. I have
>> a feeling if you can live for 18 years on a motorcycle in this
>> traffic (where I've actually had people TRY to run me off the
>> freeway because 80 wasn't fast enough*) then I must be doing
>> something right.

>LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at, and
>(b) people actively tried to cut me off.

>And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
>"outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.

Well, no wonder. The rules are inverted out there. For respect you need to be an
outlaw biker. Or maybe a cafe racer.

>A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...

Strange indeed.


-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

[Mark T. Dame]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at, and
> (b) people actively tried to cut me off.
>
> And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
> "outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.
>
> A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...

I lived in Long Beach for a couple of years. Although I got my drivers
license in Ohio when I was in High School, I learned how to drive in LA
after I graduated. I didn't ride a motorcycle back then, but it looked
pretty insane. I think the drivers out there get mad at bikers because
they're jealous: CA allows (or at least did back then) bikers to drive
between lanes so they're less confined by traffic. But when the traffic
is bumper to bumper at 80Mph and you see a biker whiz by at 150 between
cars... Well, Darwin will catch up eventually.


-m
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[W P Dixon]

And the funny part,
The guys splitting lanes would have flip flops , shorts and rarely more
than a tee-shirt, if that, on. But they would have a 400 buck Shoei helmet
on!!!! At least the CHP could identify the head rolling around on the 91 !!!
;)

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech


"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>> LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at,
>> and (b) people actively tried to cut me off.
>>
>> And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
>> "outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.
>>
>> A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...
>
> I lived in Long Beach for a couple of years. Although I got my drivers
> license in Ohio when I was in High School, I learned how to drive in LA
> after I graduated. I didn't ride a motorcycle back then, but it looked
> pretty insane. I think the drivers out there get mad at bikers because
> they're jealous: CA allows (or at least did back then) bikers to drive
> between lanes so they're less confined by traffic. But when the traffic
> is bumper to bumper at 80Mph and you see a biker whiz by at 150 between
> cars... Well, Darwin will catch up eventually.
>
>
> -m
> --
> ## Mark T. Dame >
> ## VP, Product Development
> ## MFM Software, Inc. (http://www.mfm.com/)
> "I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead."

[Skywise]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in
:

> And the funny part,
> The guys splitting lanes would have flip flops , shorts and rarely
> more
> than a tee-shirt, if that, on. But they would have a 400 buck Shoei
> helmet on!!!! At least the CHP could identify the head rolling around on
> the 91 !!! ;)
>
> Patrick
> student SP
> aircraft structural mech
<Snipola>

Oh yeah...I get a laugh every time I see one those 'organ donors'.

It get's uncomfortable in the summer, so I'll shed the chaps and
if really bad, the gloves. My helmet's not fullfaced so that's not
too bad. I might not zip the jacket all the way up for ventilation.
But I'd rather have my skin should I go down on the pavement.

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[Skywise]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in :

> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>> LA is the only place I've ever ridden where (a) I was actually spat at,
>> and (b) people actively tried to cut me off.
>>
>> And I was riding a Gold Wing, with Mary on the back. Not exactly the
>> "outlaw" biker you might expect would raise people's ire.
>>
>> A strange bunch, out there in La-la land...
>
> I lived in Long Beach for a couple of years. Although I got my drivers
> license in Ohio when I was in High School, I learned how to drive in LA
> after I graduated. I didn't ride a motorcycle back then, but it looked
> pretty insane. I think the drivers out there get mad at bikers because
> they're jealous: CA allows (or at least did back then) bikers to drive
> between lanes so they're less confined by traffic. But when the traffic
> is bumper to bumper at 80Mph and you see a biker whiz by at 150 between
> cars... Well, Darwin will catch up eventually.
>
>
> -m

Back when I was learning to ride in the late 80's, the law was
unclear about 'white lining'. The state itself didn't prohibit
it but some cities did. It was hard to know where it was legal
so the advise was not to do it. Well, after years of riding I
learned it actually has benefits if done with care.

My goal on surface streets is to be at the front of the traffic
at the red light. When it turns green, take off fast, and catch
up to the next block of traffic stopped at the next red light.
That way the only one moving is me.

My rule on the freeway is if I can hold 40-45 then I'll stay put
in traffic, otherwise I whiteline, and then not real fast. I try
to stay only about 10-15 faster than traffic. If something happens
I only have to loose 10-15 mph to avoid a collision.

But the above for me are general guidelines. The situation is
always fluid and I take the situation as it comes to me. Sometimes
I find myself near a driver or two that I feel unsafe being near,
like they're yacking on the cell phone and weaving back and forth,
and I'll take whatever measures to get away from them. Most
commonly it's to blow by them as fast as reasonably possible.

I've found from experience that speed on a motorcycle is your
friend. It is far easier to speed ahead of potentially dangerous
situations than it is to try stay behind them. I find that going
the speed of or slower than traffic only invites tailgater's and
people cutting you off.

I've also heard from multiple sources that motorcycle officers
are advised to whiteline at traffic lights as it's safer than
getting crushed between the stopped car in front and the car
behind that doesn't stop. It happens. People don't see what they
don't look for, and they don't look for motorcycles. I take active
control of my situation in traffic and if I don't like it, I do
something about it. I'm not a passive driver.

BTW, I don't recommend the above unless you are an experienced
rider. It works for me but may not work for someone else. I was
riding for 10 years before I changed to the above aggressive
tactics, and only because I was getting tired of nearly being hit
multple times a day. Now it's a rarity. In some instances I
actually feel safer on the bike than in a car because I have more
options for taking control of the situation.

But the last I heard was that 'lane sharing' was legal but if there
is an accident, it will likely be considered your fault.

BTW, in case anyone is curious...one accident (infamous opposing
left turn, no injuries) and one ticket (which in hindsight I could
have talked myself out of, I suspected the officer did not radar
me like he claimed, and I didn't ask to see the reading on the gun,
but I didn't know at the time that if they radar you and they can't
show you the reading, they can't give you a ticket)

Anyway...back to airplanes....

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[W P Dixon]

Yep,
You can get mighty darn toasty in leathers in the summer. I could only
manage them during the cooler months. Levi's never let me down though..slide
across Lakewood Blvd. one wet afternoon (blasted concrete roads!) Few
scratches on the Katana's cowling, but not on me ;)
I hated when Pete Wilson made the helmet law out there. I think the
other protective clothing does as much to save your butt than the helmet
does.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> "W P Dixon" > wrote in
> :
>
>> And the funny part,
>> The guys splitting lanes would have flip flops , shorts and rarely
>> more
>> than a tee-shirt, if that, on. But they would have a 400 buck Shoei
>> helmet on!!!! At least the CHP could identify the head rolling around on
>> the 91 !!! ;)
>>
>> Patrick
>> student SP
>> aircraft structural mech
> <Snipola>
>
> Oh yeah...I get a laugh every time I see one those 'organ donors'.
>
> It get's uncomfortable in the summer, so I'll shed the chaps and
> if really bad, the gloves. My helmet's not fullfaced so that's not
> too bad. I might not zip the jacket all the way up for ventilation.
> But I'd rather have my skin should I go down on the pavement.
>
> Brian
> --
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[George Patterson]

W P Dixon wrote:

> The guys splitting lanes would have flip flops , shorts and rarely more
> than a tee-shirt, if that, on. But they would have a 400 buck Shoei
> helmet on!!!! At least the CHP could identify the head rolling around on
> the 91 !!! ;)

I always wore boots, jeans, and a jacket with the helmet. Jean jacket in summer,
leather the rest of the time. Plus cold suits when needed. One of these days I
really need to get my bike running.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[W P Dixon]

Hee Hee,
I kinda got the itch again myself, find myself looking for a rat project
Triumph chopper, or a Sporty if I could find one cheap enough. Heck it never
hurts to dream ! ;)

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:wsfaf.1567$fF3.1530@trndny04...
>W P Dixon wrote:
>
>> The guys splitting lanes would have flip flops , shorts and rarely more
>> than a tee-shirt, if that, on. But they would have a 400 buck Shoei
>> helmet on!!!! At least the CHP could identify the head rolling around on
>> the 91 !!! ;)
>
> I always wore boots, jeans, and a jacket with the helmet. Jean jacket in
> summer, leather the rest of the time. Plus cold suits when needed. One of
> these days I really need to get my bike running.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
> neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Skywise]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in
:

> Yep,
> You can get mighty darn toasty in leathers in the summer. I could
> only
> manage them during the cooler months. Levi's never let me down
> though..slide across Lakewood Blvd. one wet afternoon (blasted concrete
> roads!) Few scratches on the Katana's cowling, but not on me ;)
> I hated when Pete Wilson made the helmet law out there. I think the
> other protective clothing does as much to save your butt than the helmet
> does.
>
> Patrick
> student SP
> aircraft structural mech
<Snipola>

I've always worn a helmet. Had no choice at first since I was still
a 'kid' when I started and Mom said so. But I got so used to it I
don't like to go without it. Before the law I tried riding without
it a few times and it's ok at lower speeds.

In fact, I'm now considering moving to a full face helmet to cut down
on wind noise. I started to notice my ears ringing after riding and I
think it's caused by the wind noise. Then I noticed a slight bit of
tinnitus. I wear earplugs now. I can hear sirens still just fine.

I have mixed feelings on mandatory helmet laws, though. I understand
they don't do much good in direct head impacts above 35 mph or so,
but it's better than nothing, and I think people should wear them.
But then I'm wary of governments deciding things for you "for your
own good". Reeks of communism.

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[W P Dixon]

I can agree with that! I always felt my vision was greatly reduced with the
full face,..and thus not very safe. Didn't make much sense to me to lose one
factor of safety that would affect others. If you don't see someone off to
your side and change lanes and hurt or kill someone versus not having the
thing on at all and the risk is more of "my own butt". Some folks like them
some don't, but we should be able to make up our own minds as adults. ;)

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

> But then I'm wary of governments deciding things for you "for your
> own good". Reeks of communism.
>
> Brian
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[Jay Honeck]

> I've always worn a helmet.

Me, too. Been riding for 29 years, been "down" just once -- and the very
first part of my anatomy that hit the ground was my head. Didn't even have
time to put an arm up, or anything.

After that, I bought a really good full-faced helmet, and I never, EVER ride
without it. Without that helmet, I'd be a veggie right now.

>> You can get mighty darn toasty in leathers in the summer. I could
>> only
>> manage them during the cooler months.

Heh. We crossed the Mojave desert, at noon -- TWICE -- wearing leathers.
Mary was sitting on the back, spraying my back with water...

It was hell, but our bags were so full, we had no place to pack 'em. (I
eventually sat on the coat, which helped.)

Two days later, we were riding in Yellowstone -- in the snow...

Ah, to be young again....NOT!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> After that, I bought a really good full-faced helmet, and I never, EVER
ride
> without it. Without that helmet, I'd be a veggie right now.

And you can tell the difference, how? <BFG> ducking and running!
--
Jim in NC

[George Patterson]

Skywise wrote:

> I've always worn a helmet.

Same here. For a few years, I had an old helmet in the garage with a bare spot
in the front where the paint had been rubbed off. Guess how that happened?

> In fact, I'm now considering moving to a full face helmet to cut down
> on wind noise.

I'm blind without my glasses and, until recently, wore ones with wrap-around ear
pieces. I was never able to get a full face helmet on without removing my
glasses and was never able to get my glasses on once the helmet was on. On the
other hand, the wind around my glasses would concentrate on my eyes and blind
me. Standard helmet with face shield was the only way to go for me. Recently,
I've seen a full face model with a hinged chin guard. That might be the way to go.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Don Tuite]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:32 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Skywise wrote:
>
>> I've always worn a helmet.
>
>Same here. For a few years, I had an old helmet in the garage with a bare spot
>in the front where the paint had been rubbed off. Guess how that happened?
>
>> In fact, I'm now considering moving to a full face helmet to cut down
>> on wind noise.
>
>I'm blind without my glasses and, until recently, wore ones with wrap-around ear
>pieces. I was never able to get a full face helmet on without removing my
>glasses and was never able to get my glasses on once the helmet was on. On the
>other hand, the wind around my glasses would concentrate on my eyes and blind
>me. Standard helmet with face shield was the only way to go for me. Recently,
>I've seen a full face model with a hinged chin guard. That might be the way to go.

I'm not sure my full-face Shoei cuts down on wind noise enough.

In the days before headsets, I used to fly with earplugs, which were a
great fatigue-reducer. The logic was that if anything I wanted to
hear was X dB louder than the engine noise without the plugs, it was X
dB louder with them in, and if it wasn't louder than the ambient
noise to start with, I wasn't going to hear it anyway.

So I figure it's the same way on a motorcycle, and I use earplugs
inside the helmet on long noisy rides.

Or I do now. When I had the '74 BMW with the full Vetta fairing, I
didn't have to worry about noise.

Don

[Blanche]

I've got a bright orange full face helmet. I put it on then put on
the glasses. No problems. It may just be the model of the helmet
that doesn't work with your glasses.

[Morgans]

> > In fact, I'm now considering moving to a full face helmet to cut down
> > on wind noise.

I used to wear an open helmet, but that was behind a full windshield. Now,
riding a sport bike, I have a full face, but really, I don't think the wind
noise is much better with the full helmet with the plexi face shield. I
still wear ear plugs, if I am going over a few miles.


> On the
> other hand, the wind around my glasses would concentrate on my eyes and
blind
> me. Standard helmet with face shield was the only way to go for me.

Really? I never had that problem, but that was with a windshield.

> Recently,
> I've seen a full face model with a hinged chin guard. That might be the
way to go.

Interesting. I wonder if it would stay in place when (if) you really need
it.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm blind without my glasses and, until recently, wore ones with
> wrap-around ear pieces. I was never able to get a full face helmet on
> without removing my glasses and was never able to get my glasses on once
> the helmet was on. On the other hand, the wind around my glasses would
> concentrate on my eyes and blind me. Standard helmet with face shield was
> the only way to go for me. Recently, I've seen a full face model with a
> hinged chin guard. That might be the way to go.

Mary and I have been riding with hinged BMW helmets since the mid '80s, when
I was still a smoker. We paid something absolutely insane -- like, $300
apiece -- for them, (what's that, in today's money -- probably $700?), but
they have been VERY durable.

I finally replaced mine two years ago with a hinged full-face Shoei. It is
LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Beemers, with a much easier (yet more positive)
locking system, a better vent system, and it is MUCH lighter. I think it
cost about the same, but in today's money.

That Beemer helmet was like a Dave Clark headset -- extremely durable, but
uncomfortable after a few hours. The Shoei, by contrast, can be worn
indefinitely.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> I finally replaced mine two years ago with a hinged full-face Shoei. It is
> LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Beemers, with a much easier (yet more positive)
> locking system, a better vent system, and it is MUCH lighter. I think it
> cost about the same, but in today's money.

When I looked into those flip-up helmets years ago, I remember you
couldn't get one that was Snell certified because the flip-up chin guard
wouldn't pass the impact tests that a real full face helmet could. So, at
the time, I figured I might as well just go for the comfort of an open
face helmet with face shield. I wonder if the flip-ups are being made
better, now.

--- Jay


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[Jay Honeck]

> When I looked into those flip-up helmets years ago, I remember you
> couldn't get one that was Snell certified because the flip-up chin guard
> wouldn't pass the impact tests that a real full face helmet could. So, at
> the time, I figured I might as well just go for the comfort of an open
> face helmet with face shield. I wonder if the flip-ups are being made
> better, now.

Yeah, now that you mention it, that *was* a problem for BMW back in the 80s.
I remember they just kind of shrugged when I brought it up. (This wasn't
mentioned with the Shoei purchase.)

Really, I guess you have to figure that *something* between your chin and
the curb is better than nothing -- Snell rated or not.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Masino wrote:

> When I looked into those flip-up helmets years ago, I remember you
> couldn't get one that was Snell certified because the flip-up chin guard
> wouldn't pass the impact tests that a real full face helmet could. So, at
> the time, I figured I might as well just go for the comfort of an open
> face helmet with face shield. I wonder if the flip-ups are being made
> better, now.

Dunno about Snell certification, but they're DOT approved.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:

> Do you have a specific brand, or web site that I could go to (or search to
> find) and see one of these beauties? I sure am interested!

Here's one. Not Jay's brand, though ...
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=116803

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Morgans]

"George Patterson" > wrote

> Dunno about Snell certification, but they're DOT approved.

Do you have a specific brand, or web site that I could go to (or search to
find) and see one of these beauties? I sure am interested!
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Masino]

George Patterson > wrote:
> Dunno about Snell certification, but they're DOT approved.

DOT approval is a lot easier to get (less stringent) than Snell. For
example, a lot of the small, half helmets are DOT approved.

--- Jay


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[George Patterson]

Jay Masino wrote:

> DOT approval is a lot easier to get (less stringent) than Snell.

That's what I was afraid of.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Jay Honeck]

> Do you have a specific brand, or web site that I could go to (or search to
> find) and see one of these beauties? I sure am interested!

Here's a good comparison article about flip-up helmets:

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/accessoriesandgear/fliphelmets/
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mark T. Dame]

Morgans wrote:

> "George Patterson" > wrote
>
>>Dunno about Snell certification, but they're DOT approved.
>
> Do you have a specific brand, or web site that I could go to (or search to
> find) and see one of these beauties? I sure am interested!

I wear an HJC Sy-Max:

http://www.hjchelmets.com/symax.htm

It's fairly comfortable, but I have a problem with fogging on cool
mornings. I haven't put any no-fog on the shield yet, however.


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[Darrel Toepfer]

Skywise wrote:

> BTW, in case anyone is curious...one accident (infamous opposing
> left turn, no injuries) and one ticket (which in hindsight I could
> have talked myself out of, I suspected the officer did not radar
> me like he claimed, and I didn't ask to see the reading on the gun,
> but I didn't know at the time that if they radar you and they can't
> show you the reading, they can't give you a ticket)

They just show you a reading, showed it to the last poor soul they
ripped off as well...

[Skywise]

Darrel Toepfer > wrote in news:RV9jf.38652$Y82.27551
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

> Skywise wrote:
>
>> BTW, in case anyone is curious...one accident (infamous opposing
>> left turn, no injuries) and one ticket (which in hindsight I could
>> have talked myself out of, I suspected the officer did not radar
>> me like he claimed, and I didn't ask to see the reading on the gun,
>> but I didn't know at the time that if they radar you and they can't
>> show you the reading, they can't give you a ticket)
>
> They just show you a reading, showed it to the last poor soul they
> ripped off as well...

Possible for other situations, but not mine.

The officer claimed to have been sitting at a particular street
corner yet I suspected he had just paced me. I had passed a
motorcycle cop about a mile back that was doing someone else
over. It just didn't click quick enough for my inexperienced
young mind that this guy was probably the same cop and that he
didn't radar me. If I'd had enough foresight to ask, he wouldn't
have been able to show me any reading at all.

Later, on my return trip I checked out the area. Turned out the
corner he claimed to be sitting on was one I specifically
remembered looking at because of the nice houses, and I didn't
recall seeing any motorcycle officer pointing a radar gun at me.

Now for the fun part. I noticed that the distance from the
corner to where I came to a stop seemed awfully short. Turned
out to be only about 2700 feet. So I did some calculations to
see how fast the officer would have had to accelerate and to
what speed in order to catch up to me going the alleged 68 mph
and then for me to pull over in only 2700 feet. I seem to
recall he would have had to get well over 100 and back down to
0 in that short distance.

I tried arguing this to the judge, trying to show the officer
could not have in fact been there to radar me. His response
was "I happen to know for a fact that police bikes can go that
fast." Silly me, I should have said something like "what's your
evidence?"

Looking back on it now it's all so silly, but I learned several
things. Cops lie and judges lie. Yes, I was in fact speeding,
but the point is how I was caught was not the truth. Also, I
learned that one cannot defend themselves without first paying
the penalty of your alleged crime (guilty until proven innocent).
That is, you have to pay the fine BEFORE you're allowed to
dispute the ticket. Hey, I was just a young lad when this
happened, naive and full of optimism. Now I'm older, smarter,
and pessimistic.

Since then I've had a few other encounters with police officers
and in every case have successfully argued myself out of any
ticket. In all those cases I wasn't speeding. Sheesh, I actually
had one cop argue with me about calibration of speedometers! His
logic was flawed and I caught him with it. I later checked my
speedometer just for S&G and it reads 1.5% high.

It's been well over 5 years now since I've had any such problems.
Even though my driving style on the bike could technically earn
me several tickets, I've just not been pulled over. I guess
that's a good thing as I'd hate to have to argue that my driving
style is a direct result of the need for me to keep my skin alive
with all the nuts on the road. In a choice between my safety and
obeying the law, my safety wins every time. I really hope I never
have to argue this. I have a short temper when it comes to idiots.

And in a lame attempt to put this on topic, I sometimes liken
riding a motorcyle in LA as combat flying at zero agl, you're
out of ammo, and the other guy is a kamikaze!

Sheesh! You should have seen what happened to me on the 22 fwy
the other night! I really have to wonder about the statistics
that GA is slightly less safe than riding a motorcycle.

Brian
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[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:24:50 -0000, Skywise
> wrote in
>::

>I noticed that the distance from the
>corner to where I came to a stop seemed awfully short. Turned
>out to be only about 2700 feet. So I did some calculations to
>see how fast the officer would have had to accelerate and to
>what speed in order to catch up to me going the alleged 68 mph
>and then for me to pull over in only 2700 feet. I seem to
>recall he would have had to get well over 100 and back down to
>0 in that short distance.

Accelerating to 100 mph in a half mile is easily doable; My 3,800 lb
Corvette will go from 60 to 0 in 158 feet.

>I tried arguing this to the judge, trying to show the officer
>could not have in fact been there to radar me. His response
>was "I happen to know for a fact that police bikes can go that
>fast." Silly me, I should have said something like "what's your
>evidence?"

You should have provided some evidence of your own if you could find
any to support your argument.

Incidentally, it's *bail* you post before arraignment, as you haven't
yet been sentenced/fined at that point in the process.

Don't ever wave time when posting bail or appearing for arraignment;
that's how you can prevail. In California, the law mandates that you
receive a _speedy_trial_. The Court will try to tell you that the
21-day time begins at the time of arraignment, but if your trial date
is set more than 21-days from your arrest (citation date), it's
possible to successfully file a motion for dismissal.

[Skywise]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:24:50 -0000, Skywise
> > wrote in
> >::
>
>>I noticed that the distance from the
>>corner to where I came to a stop seemed awfully short. Turned
>>out to be only about 2700 feet. So I did some calculations to
>>see how fast the officer would have had to accelerate and to
>>what speed in order to catch up to me going the alleged 68 mph
>>and then for me to pull over in only 2700 feet. I seem to
>>recall he would have had to get well over 100 and back down to
>>0 in that short distance.
>
> Accelerating to 100 mph in a half mile is easily doable; My 3,800 lb
> Corvette will go from 60 to 0 in 158 feet.

Yes, it's POSSIBLE, if you floor it, and then slam on the brakes.
The officer may have been "flooring" it on the bike to catch
up to me, but when he pulled me over, I didn't slam on my brakes.
I slowed down gently.


>>I tried arguing this to the judge, trying to show the officer
>>could not have in fact been there to radar me. His response
>>was "I happen to know for a fact that police bikes can go that
>>fast." Silly me, I should have said something like "what's your
>>evidence?"
>
> You should have provided some evidence of your own if you could find
> any to support your argument.

I had the calculations in my hand, but neve even got to show
them. The arse-hole judge slammed me mid-sentence as I started
to make my case.

Well, that's something else I learned that if it happens again,
I won't take that form the judge. I'll be polite, of course.


> Incidentally, it's *bail* you post before arraignment, as you haven't
> yet been sentenced/fined at that point in the process.

Yes, and the bail ALWAYS equals the fine.


> Don't ever wave time when posting bail or appearing for arraignment;
> that's how you can prevail. In California, the law mandates that you
> receive a _speedy_trial_. The Court will try to tell you that the
> 21-day time begins at the time of arraignment, but if your trial date
> is set more than 21-days from your arrest (citation date), it's
> possible to successfully file a motion for dismissal.

Thanks for the hints. I've heard similar stuff since. Like I said,
this happened long ago when I was young and didn't know much.

I've also heard that if you go down to the courthouse immediately,
preferably the same day and demand your day in court, odds are that
you will be scheduled on a day the arresting officer can't make it
- other than the day on the ticket - and the case is dropped, unless
the guy actually wants to take time off his scheduled work to defend
a ticket.

But anyway, enough of my whining. I'm not worried about it anymore
as I just don't get caught anymore. :)

BTW, that's been my only ticket on the bike.

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[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:55:02 -0000, Skywise
> wrote in
>::

>
>> Incidentally, it's *bail* you post before arraignment, as you haven't
>> yet been sentenced/fined at that point in the process.
>
>Yes, and the bail ALWAYS equals the fine.

While the values are customarily equal, bail may be refunded unlike a
fine. So if your case is dismissed, the laws below apply:


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=43286726010+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

42201.6. (a) A deposit of bail received with respect to an
infraction violation of this code, or any local ordinance adopted
pursuant to this code, including, but not limited to, a violation
involving the standing or parking of a vehicle, shall be refunded
by the agency which issued the notice of violation or the court
within 30 days of a cancellation, dismissal, or finding of not
guilty of the offense charged.
(b) Multiple or duplicate deposits of bail or parking penalty
shall be identified by the court or agency and refunded within 30
days of identification.
(c) Any amount to be refunded in accordance with subdivision
(a) or (b) shall accrue interest, at the rate specified in Section
3289* of the Civil Code, on and after the 60th day of a
cancellation, dismissal, or finding of not guilty or
identification of multiple or duplicate deposits, and shall be
refunded as soon as possible thereafter along with accrued
interest.


42202. Failure, refusal, or neglect on the part of any judicial
or other officer or employee receiving or having custody of any
fine or forfeiture mentioned in this article either before or
after deposit in the respective fund to comply with the foregoing
provisions of this article is misconduct in office and ground for
removal therefrom.

*

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=43414026669+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve


However, it seems The Orange County Superior Court is unaware of those
laws mandating refund with interest within thirty days:

http://www.occourts.org/traffic/

If the fine is suspended or if you are found not guilty, your bail
is refunded by mail within sixty days and is returned to the
depositor at the address listed on the case


This provides some insight into lack of competence of the court which
can often be exploited to advantage.

>> Don't ever wave time when posting bail or appearing for arraignment;
>> that's how you can prevail. In California, the law mandates that you
>> receive a _speedy_trial_. The Court will try to tell you that the
>> 21-day time begins at the time of arraignment, but if your trial date
>> is set more than 21-days from your arrest (citation date), it's
>> possible to successfully file a motion for dismissal.
>
>Thanks for the hints. I've heard similar stuff since. Like I said,
>this happened long ago when I was young and didn't know much.
>
>I've also heard that if you go down to the courthouse immediately,
>preferably the same day and demand your day in court, odds are that
>you will be scheduled on a day the arresting officer can't make it
>- other than the day on the ticket - and the case is dropped, unless
>the guy actually wants to take time off his scheduled work to defend
>a ticket.

Thanks for that nugget.