seeking first hand Jabiru 3300 opinions

[Russell Duffy]

Greetings,

The subject pretty much says it all. I'm looking to hear from those who are
flying a 3300 Jabiru engine. I've heard that there were some problems in
the early days, but I was told that since about 2002, the engines have been
working very well, with no problems. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Again, I'm most interested in first hand info, from people who are actually
flying the engine.

Thanks,
Rusty

[Bret Ludwig]

I don't know, but what does it do a Corvair doesn't, at a far more
rational price? If it were ATC'd and STC'd to replace say an O-200 or
similar it would be worth looking at....

[Russell Duffy]

Let's please stick to the original question.
Rusty



"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
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> I don't know, but what does it do a Corvair doesn't, at a far more
> rational price? If it were ATC'd and STC'd to replace say an O-200 or
> similar it would be worth looking at....
>

[Morgans]

"Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
. ..
> Let's please stick to the original question.

Getting an attitude is sure to get you more answers. Not.
--
Jim in NC

[abripl]

> Getting an attitude is sure to get you more answers. Not.

Obviously you don't have any relevant info.

[[email protected]]

Not first hand........But one of the local guys converted his Q-2 from
the VW to the Jabiru 3300 and just loves it. Had a problem with one of
the exhaust valves at around 50 hours - IIRC - fixed under warranty and
reported to be nearing 500 hours.

I think they look a bit fragile, but "cute". His results seem to be
proving my impression wrong.

His reported performance numbers are better than some O-200 powered
versions.
==============
Leon McAtee

[Kyle Boatright]

"Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
.. .
> Greetings,
>
> The subject pretty much says it all. I'm looking to hear from those who
> are flying a 3300 Jabiru engine. I've heard that there were some problems
> in the early days, but I was told that since about 2002, the engines have
> been working very well, with no problems. Can anyone confirm or deny
> this? Again, I'm most interested in first hand info, from people who are
> actually flying the engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty

I have an acquaintance who has the 3300 on his Sonex. He has approximately
100 trouble-free hours on it. On the other hand, he installed an Aero-Carb
on it, and had lots 'o problems with it before he repaced it with the stock
carb...

You might try googling the Sonex board. I'd guess it probably has the
easiest to corral group of 3300 flyers. You may have to join to browse the
messages.

KB

[Rob Turk]

"Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
.. .
> Greetings,
>
> The subject pretty much says it all. I'm looking to hear from those who
> are flying a 3300 Jabiru engine. I've heard that there were some problems
> in the early days, but I was told that since about 2002, the engines have
> been working very well, with no problems. Can anyone confirm or deny
> this? Again, I'm most interested in first hand info, from people who are
> actually flying the engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty

Not yet flying, it will take another half year or so to complete our Rans
S6S. But we did run the engine and taxied around the block a few times. So
far no problems with 0.5 hours runtime ;-)

Check out the jabiruengines group on Yahoo, I'm sure you can find all
experiences (good and bad) on it. Most common issues have to do with
installation. Getting the cooling right on all cylinders can be a bit
tricky, but once you have that figured out the Jab3300 is a very reliable
and pleasant engine to fly with.

Rob

[Russell Duffy]

Hi Leon,

Not first hand, but full credit nevertheless :-) To have 500 hours, it's
likely to be one of the older engines. I never heard what the problems used
to be, but knew were were some. Great to hear it's working well now.

Rusty



> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Not first hand........But one of the local guys converted his Q-2 from
> the VW to the Jabiru 3300 and just loves it. Had a problem with one of
> the exhaust valves at around 50 hours - IIRC - fixed under warranty and
> reported to be nearing 500 hours.
>
> I think they look a bit fragile, but "cute". His results seem to be
> proving my impression wrong.
>
> His reported performance numbers are better than some O-200 powered
> versions.
> ==============
> Leon McAtee
>

[Russell Duffy]

Hi Kyle,

I've looked all through the Sonex archives, and just can't find anyone
complaining. By all accounts, the more recent engines are just dandy, but I
wanted to ask here to see if there was something I was missing. I actually
like the AeroCarb, but know they had some sticking problems with them.

Thanks,
Rusty



"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...

> I have an acquaintance who has the 3300 on his Sonex. He has
> approximately 100 trouble-free hours on it. On the other hand, he
> installed an Aero-Carb on it, and had lots 'o problems with it before he
> repaced it with the stock carb...
>
> You might try googling the Sonex board. I'd guess it probably has the
> easiest to corral group of 3300 flyers. You may have to join to browse the
> messages.
>
> KB
>
>

[Russell Duffy]

Thanks Rob. If I use a Jabiru 3300, it will be on a Sonex, and the beauty
of that is that they have the installation package pretty well sorted out.
The engine is really a good match for the Sonex.

Cheers,
Rusty


"Rob Turk" > wrote in message
news:B5%8f.144$zc1.54@amstwist00...
> Not yet flying, it will take another half year or so to complete our Rans
> S6S. But we did run the engine and taxied around the block a few times. So
> far no problems with 0.5 hours runtime ;-)
>
> Check out the jabiruengines group on Yahoo, I'm sure you can find all
> experiences (good and bad) on it. Most common issues have to do with
> installation. Getting the cooling right on all cylinders can be a bit
> tricky, but once you have that figured out the Jab3300 is a very reliable
> and pleasant engine to fly with.
>
> Rob
>
>

[Kyle Boatright]

"Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hi Kyle,
>
> I've looked all through the Sonex archives, and just can't find anyone
> complaining. By all accounts, the more recent engines are just dandy, but
> I wanted to ask here to see if there was something I was missing. I
> actually like the AeroCarb, but know they had some sticking problems with
> them.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty

Yep, there is a sticking problem. My buddy, who worked in aerospace, and
presumably knows what he's doing, couldn't get it to work reliably.
Reliability is the name of the game in aviation, so the AeroCarb became a
doorstop.

KB

[Jim Carriere]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Hi Kyle,
>>
>>I've looked all through the Sonex archives, and just can't find anyone
>>complaining. By all accounts, the more recent engines are just dandy, but
>>I wanted to ask here to see if there was something I was missing. I
>>actually like the AeroCarb, but know they had some sticking problems with
>>them.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rusty
>
>
> Yep, there is a sticking problem. My buddy, who worked in aerospace, and
> presumably knows what he's doing, couldn't get it to work reliably.
> Reliability is the name of the game in aviation, so the AeroCarb became a
> doorstop.

That's a shame. The Bing carb they come with doesn't have mixture
control. That is possibly its only disadvantage.

I have a Rotec radial with a Bing 64 (40mm throttle). I believe is
the exactly the same carburettor as the Jabiru 3300, and I have been
giving serious thought to changing the Bing for an AeroCarb. For
four hundred bucks I want to be sure. Then again I should give
serious thought to working on the airplane more and being online less :)

I know there is a kludge fix (involving the float chamber vent) to
control the mixture on Bings, it supposedly works fairly well...

[Rob Turk]

"karel" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rob Turk" > wrote in message
> news:B5%8f.144$zc1.54@amstwist00...
>> "Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>
>
>> Not yet flying, it will take another half year or so to complete our Rans
>> S6S. But we did run the engine and taxied around the block a few times.
>> So far no problems with 0.5 hours runtime ;-)
>
> A 3300 on an S6S? Isn't that a bit of overkill?
> I thought Coyotes can make do with a Rotax 582 (60 HP or so?)
> and are very happy with a 80 HP Rotax 912
> So if Jabiru it must be I would rather expect a 2200?
>
> PS if I may be a bit curious:
> Where are you building?
> Or more precisely where will the bird fly from?
> Are you using the standard wing or the smaller 'speed' wing?
>
> KA from just South...

The 3300 is about as much as the airframe will allow. RANS gave their
blessing thought.. They want pictures of the install for later reference.
Jabiru built the mount for us.

We are building the plane in Amersfoort, just 150 Km or so north from you.
About 95% done, still need to finish the cowl (needs a bit of modification
for the 3300 to fit ;-), the doors and the windshield. We will be flying out
of EHLE, or maybe EHHV or EHTE. It all depends on availability and price of
hangar space and landing fees ;-)

If you're ever in the neighbourhood, feel free to stop by. Send me a direct
e-mail (watch the spam trap) for direction.

Take care!
Rob

[Jim Carriere]

Morgans wrote:
> "Jim Carriere" > wrote
>>That's a shame. The Bing carb they come with doesn't have mixture
>>control. That is possibly its only disadvantage.
>
> I thought Bing carbs were automatic altitude adjusting, by design. True, or
> no?

True. What I meant is you can't deliberately run lean-of-peak.

[Morgans]

"Jim Carriere" > wrote

> That's a shame. The Bing carb they come with doesn't have mixture
> control. That is possibly its only disadvantage.

I thought Bing carbs were automatic altitude adjusting, by design. True, or
no?
--
Jim in NC

[OtisWinslow]

Rusty ..

Go here and you'll get all the first hand experience you want:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/

Here there's people like Bret that have no first hand experience
but for one reason or another just dislike the engine.

I don't have a 3300 but do have a 2200 waiting to be installed. Since
I haven't ran it yet I can't give you a first hand report. However since
I did my homework and bought one you can say I felt confident.

OW



"Russell Duffy" > wrote in message
.. .
> Greetings,
>
> The subject pretty much says it all. I'm looking to hear from those who
> are flying a 3300 Jabiru engine. I've heard that there were some problems
> in the early days, but I was told that since about 2002, the engines have
> been working very well, with no problems. Can anyone confirm or deny
> this? Again, I'm most interested in first hand info, from people who are
> actually flying the engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>

[[email protected]]

Do you think it would be worth it to pay the extra money for an Ellison
( if you wanted to go the throttle body route? ) I don't know of many
people putting Ellisons on Jabirus, I guess because of the price, but I
haven't heard much bad about them.

Neal


Russell Duffy wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
> I've looked all through the Sonex archives, and just can't find anyone
> complaining. By all accounts, the more recent engines are just dandy, but I
> wanted to ask here to see if there was something I was missing. I actually
> like the AeroCarb, but know they had some sticking problems with them.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I have an acquaintance who has the 3300 on his Sonex. He has
> > approximately 100 trouble-free hours on it. On the other hand, he
> > installed an Aero-Carb on it, and had lots 'o problems with it before he
> > repaced it with the stock carb...
> >
> > You might try googling the Sonex board. I'd guess it probably has the
> > easiest to corral group of 3300 flyers. You may have to join to browse the
> > messages.
> >
> > KB
> >
> >

[Stealth Pilot]

On 2 Nov 2005 07:30:20 -0800, wrote:

>Do you think it would be worth it to pay the extra money for an Ellison
>( if you wanted to go the throttle body route? ) I don't know of many
>people putting Ellisons on Jabirus, I guess because of the price, but I
>haven't heard much bad about them.
>

when I checked them out they didnt have an idle cutout.

Stealth Pilot