Citation Crashes in Houston

[Darkwing]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051105/ap_on_re_us/small_jet_crash

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DW

[Bushleague]

Weird why didn't they wait to watch the SWA 737 make a safe landing.
Never, ever let anyone (particularly a controller) rush your takeoff.

Have a great one!

Bush

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:55:01 -0500, "Darkwing"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051105/ap_on_re_us/small_jet_crash
>
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>DW
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[Peter R.]

Bushleague > wrote:

> Weird why didn't they wait to watch the SWA 737 make a safe landing.
> Never, ever let anyone (particularly a controller) rush your takeoff.

Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.

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Peter
























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[Bushleague]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:04:20 -0500, "Peter R." >
wrote:

>Bushleague > wrote:
>
>> Weird why didn't they wait to watch the SWA 737 make a safe landing.
>> Never, ever let anyone (particularly a controller) rush your takeoff.
>
>Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
>understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.

All of the more reason to wait, don't you think?

Have a great one!

Bush

[Peter R.]

Bushleague > wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:04:20 -0500, "Peter R." >
> wrote:
>
>>Bushleague > wrote:
>>
>>> Weird why didn't they wait to watch the SWA 737 make a safe landing.
>>> Never, ever let anyone (particularly a controller) rush your takeoff.
>>
>>Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
>>understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.
>
> All of the more reason to wait, don't you think?

Definitely. My point was that, in this particular crash, had the pilots
elected to decline the takeoff clearance and slow everything down, the
outcome still may have been a fatal crash, assuming the cause of this is
found to be catastrophic engine failure a few hundred feet in the air.


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[Morgans]

> Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
> understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.

My thought exactly. I don't see anywhere, that rushing a takeoff had any
part to play, contributing to the crash.

Let us hope that rushing is not found to be a "contributing factor."
--
Jim in NC

[.Blueskies.]

"Peter R." > wrote in message ...
> Bushleague > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:04:20 -0500, "Peter R." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Bushleague > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Weird why didn't they wait to watch the SWA 737 make a safe landing.
>>>> Never, ever let anyone (particularly a controller) rush your takeoff.
>>>
>>>Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
>>>understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.
>>
>> All of the more reason to wait, don't you think?
>
> Definitely. My point was that, in this particular crash, had the pilots
> elected to decline the takeoff clearance and slow everything down, the
> outcome still may have been a fatal crash, assuming the cause of this is
> found to be catastrophic engine failure a few hundred feet in the air.
>
>
> --
> Peter
>
>
>

Maybe, if it was an engine failure, after the wait it would have failed on the ground or even during the takeoff run...

[Maule Driver]

Morgans wrote:
>>Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
>>understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.
>
>
> My thought exactly. I don't see anywhere, that rushing a takeoff had any
> part to play, contributing to the crash.
>
> Let us hope that rushing is not found to be a "contributing factor."

Independent of what actually happened, it reminds me that rushing is
never good. That's just the personal opinion of a non-professional FWIW.

Sometimes, some pilots sound more like lawyers than flyers to me.

[Peter R.]

Maule Driver > wrote:

> Sometimes, some pilots sound more like lawyers than flyers to me.

Had this been directed at me, then in my defense my comments were actually
in response to what appeared to be typical news media aircraft accident
sensationalism.

In other words, the news media once again sensationalized an accident by
reporting that the aircraft was rushed to take off, yet that may not even
have been a factor.

Sometimes, some pilots sound more like CFIs than flyers to me. ;-)

--
Peter
Not a lawyer























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[Skylune]

by Maule Driver > Nov 10, 2005 at 07:53 PM


Morgans wrote:
>>Would waiting and not rushing the takeoff have changed the outcome? My
>>understanding was that this aircraft was on a maintenance check flight.
>
>
> My thought exactly. I don't see anywhere, that rushing a takeoff had
any
> part to play, contributing to the crash.
>
> Let us hope that rushing is not found to be a "contributing factor."

Independent of what actually happened, it reminds me that rushing is
never good. That's just the personal opinion of a non-professional FWIW.

Sometimes, some pilots sound more like lawyers than flyers to me.<<

The commentary on the below video contains plain talk ("I can't believe
it.), no legalese.

[Skylune]

http://home.comcast.net/~s35pilot/DH4planecrash.wmv