Pilot walks away from crash near Manchester, NH airport

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Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT. The pilot walked out of the
wreckage moments before it exploded. Local news reported that the plane
took off and immediately requested an emergency landing. Witnesses
report one engine was out. One fellow (claiming some knowledge about
aircraft) said he noted that one prop was not spinning, and he said it
sounded like he was full throttle at that point. He also said the
plane was one wing low on a 45 degree angle. The plane crashed at
7:20am, five minutes after declaring the emergency.

Winds were reported calm at the time, but were NW yesterday and are NW
now. I'm guessing (?) he took off from RWY 35, and was attempting to
return to RWY 17. One witness hypothesized that the pilot may have
attempted to set down in the Walmart parking lot where he crashed.

http://portsmouthherald.com/news/special/11_8special.htm

Mike

[Steve Foley]

If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
> crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT.

[Skylune]

by "Steve Foley" > Nov 8, 2005 at 05:56 PM


If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
> crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT."

Me too!

Did you notice it was the second crash in NH involving this same freight
carrier this year? The guy that got killed in January was operating IFR
in really soupy conditions and ran into a mountain a little north of this
incident. Weird.

[John Doe]

Great. More good press for GA.

[Bushleague]

I'm not familiar with the Emb-100 although I did fly the 110 20 years
ago. At 13007 lbs it was a two pilot aircraft under 135 with no
autopilot due to autotrim runaways in earlier years. Grossly
underpowered at 750 shp per side, you needed to pitch down
to the blue line during v-1 cuts looking at the treetops, and this
was during training weights.

Bush

On 8 Nov 2005 08:08:29 -0800, wrote:

>Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
>crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT. The pilot walked out of the
>wreckage moments before it exploded. Local news reported that the plane
>took off and immediately requested an emergency landing. Witnesses
>report one engine was out. One fellow (claiming some knowledge about
>aircraft) said he noted that one prop was not spinning, and he said it
>sounded like he was full throttle at that point. He also said the
>plane was one wing low on a 45 degree angle. The plane crashed at
>7:20am, five minutes after declaring the emergency.
>
>Winds were reported calm at the time, but were NW yesterday and are NW
>now. I'm guessing (?) he took off from RWY 35, and was attempting to
>return to RWY 17. One witness hypothesized that the pilot may have
>attempted to set down in the Walmart parking lot where he crashed.
>
>http://portsmouthherald.com/news/special/11_8special.htm
>
>Mike

[Kyle Boatright]

"John Doe" > wrote in message
news:e77cf.1608$om5.190@dukeread04...
> Great. More good press for GA.

To be shrugged off as "Yep, a plane crashed into a store. Certainly
something to be avoided, but not necessarily a catastrophic situation."

KB

[Bushleague]

Heck, half of all pilots shop at Walmart. In fact, half of
America shops at Walmart.

Bush

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:56:15 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:

>If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.
>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
>> crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT.
>

[Bushleague]

Is this GA, or Far Part 135? AirNow used to be named Business Air. We
flew a bunch of UPS contracts for them in the 80's after they trashed
a couple of airplanes. "Robin Ou****er is a nice looking milf" says
Jim Hill in another interview, at the bar.

Bush

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:36:56 -0500, "John Doe" >
wrote:

>Great. More good press for GA.
>

[W P Dixon]

Yeah,
And we will all be working there before it's over! Only jobs left in the
USA...WalMart !!!! ;)

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Bushleague" > wrote in message
...
> Heck, half of all pilots shop at Walmart. In fact, half of
> America shops at Walmart.
>
> Bush
>
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:56:15 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> > wrote:
>
>>If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.
>>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>>> Turned on the TV this morning and caught breaking news of Embraer 100
>>> crash near (1 mile north) of KMHT.
>>
>

[Tom Conner]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah,
> And we will all be working there before it's over! Only jobs left in the
> USA...WalMart !!!! ;)
>

No, congress will expand the H-1B program to allow highly trained foreign
workers to be bought into this country for the WalMart jobs, since the CEO
will complain there are not enough American workers for the jobs.

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Is this GA, or Far Part 135? AirNow used to be named Business Air. We
>flew a bunch of UPS contracts for them in the 80's after they trashed
>a couple of airplanes. "Robin Ou****er is a nice looking milf" says
>Jim Hill in another interview, at the bar.
>

Is that a compliment, for a middle aged man?

GF

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>I'm not familiar with the Emb-100 although I did fly the 110 20 years
>ago. At 13007 lbs it was a two pilot aircraft under 135 with no
>autopilot due to autotrim runaways in earlier years. Grossly
>underpowered at 750 shp per side, you needed to pitch down
>to the blue line during v-1 cuts looking at the treetops, and this
>was during training weights.
>

Out of curiosity, do you not consider Part135 to be GA?

I know the AirNow operation. Nice folks.
Before the Embraers, Business Air used to operate a couple of DC-3's out
of DDH.

GF

[Cub Driver]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:19:48 -0500, "Skylune"
> wrote:

>If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.
>
>Me too!

Absolutely! What right do those poor people have to buy mittens for
their kids, after all?

Let them go to L.L. Bean!



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[Steve Foley]

"Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:19:48 -0500, "Skylune"
> > wrote:
>
> >If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.
> >
> >Me too!
>
> Absolutely! What right do those poor people have to buy mittens for
> their kids, after all?
>

My checkbook was stolen in December. I immediately closed the account.
Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when it
bounced. I said I would fax them a copy of the police report. They said that
I *MUST* send them a notorized affidavit from my bank or they would turn it
over for prosecution.

Let the kids buy their mittens at Target. They were polite.



> Let them go to L.L. Bean!
>
>
>
> -- all the best, Dan Ford
>
> email: usenet AT danford DOT net
>
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[Matt Barrow]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:9Tlcf.6308$41.5603@trndny04...
> "Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
>>
>> Absolutely! What right do those poor people have to buy mittens for
>> their kids, after all?
>>
>
> My checkbook was stolen in December. I immediately closed the account.
> Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when it
> bounced. I said I would fax them a copy of the police report. They said
> that
> I *MUST* send them a notorized affidavit from my bank or they would turn
> it
> over for prosecution.
>
> Let the kids buy their mittens at Target. They were polite.
>

Did someone try to pass one of your checks at Target as well?

[Cub Driver]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:23:33 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:

>Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when it
>bounced.

Criminal!

How could anyone be so dastardly as to try to collect on a bounced
check?


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[Allen]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:9Tlcf.6308$41.5603@trndny04...
> "Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:19:48 -0500, "Skylune"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >If it had to hit a store, I'm glad it was Wal-Mart.
> > >
> > >Me too!
> >
> > Absolutely! What right do those poor people have to buy mittens for
> > their kids, after all?
> >
>
> My checkbook was stolen in December. I immediately closed the account.
> Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when it
> bounced.

All the Wally-Marts around here run your check through as an electronic
debit, it would not have been accepted at all on a closed account.

Allen

[Dylan Smith]

On 2005-11-10, Cub Driver <usenet> wrote:
> How could anyone be so dastardly as to try to collect on a bounced
> check?

A *decent* banking system prevents this from happening to the customer
at all. Checks - which really are deprecated these days - (for some reason,
spelled 'cheques' here) must be covered by a 'cheque guarantee card' here.

If not, the retailer probably won't accept them.

A cheque guarantee card basically guarantees the bank will pay the
retailer no matter what - so the retailer isn't on the hook to chase bad
cheques. If it's stolen (rather than just the customer didn't have the
money), it becomes the bank's problem. However, these days, with
electronic checks, that's unlikely to actually happen. In any case, no
one seriously uses cheques here any more for store payments. They are
only kept because they are convenient for settling payments with other
individuals or small traders - and the cheque guarantee card protects
them, too. For everything else, I don't know anyone who doesn't use a
debit or credit card.

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[Steve Foley]

Yup. Got a similar call from Target. I faxed them a copy of the police
report, and they thanked me for helping them.

The guy had a license made up with my name and address, with his picture.


"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:9Tlcf.6308$41.5603@trndny04...
> > "Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Absolutely! What right do those poor people have to buy mittens for
> >> their kids, after all?
> >>
> >
> > My checkbook was stolen in December. I immediately closed the account.
> > Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when
it
> > bounced. I said I would fax them a copy of the police report. They said
> > that
> > I *MUST* send them a notorized affidavit from my bank or they would turn
> > it
> > over for prosecution.
> >
> > Let the kids buy their mittens at Target. They were polite.
> >
>
> Did someone try to pass one of your checks at Target as well?
>
>

[Steve Foley]

I've got no problem with them trying to collect. I have a problem with their
rude behavior and threats. The check was not returned for insufficient funds
(NSF) it was returned because the account was closed.

I politely explained that the checkbook had been stolen, and that I had
closed the account. They told me that if I didn't provide a notorized
affidavit from the bank, they would press charges.

It's not my fault they accepted a stolen check. If they had bothered
checking, they would have found the account was closed before giving the
thief the merchandise. That's simply a risk they take when they accept
checks.

I'm not taking time off from work to go get paperwork from a bank because
they say so.

BTW, my wife is in court today testifying.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/05/man_arraigned_in_court_escape/






"Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:23:33 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> > wrote:
>
> >Wal-Mart accepted a check for $500 a month later and went after me when
it
> >bounced.
>
> Criminal!
>
> How could anyone be so dastardly as to try to collect on a bounced
> check?
>
>
> -- all the best, Dan Ford
>
> email: usenet AT danford DOT net
>
> Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
> Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
> the blog: www.danford.net
> In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com

[Montblack]

("Steve Foley" wrote)
> The guy had a license made up with my name and address, with his picture.


PIN numbers for EVERYTHING. Won't stop crime but it will take a bite out of
it. Your PIN number, even if it was the correct one, would have come back
"account closed".

All checks, debit cards, credit cards ...PIN numbers.

Sophisticated theft will still occur, but crimes of opportunity (look, a
wallet) will be less profitable.


Montblack

[Michael Ware]

That's ' Sprawl*Mart '

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Walmart is trying to expand around these
> parts:

[Steve Foley]

I don't think I'd be covered because I initiated the phone call. When they
first called and I said the checkbook had been stolen they told me to call
888-799-3059. I called them, ready to provide the name of the detective
handling the case, and whatever else I could think of. The notes I took
state: "Per Pearl on 1-27-05 failure to provide affividavid and police
report may result in prosecution"

I called the detective handling the case. He called the Reading police
(where the store was that took the stolen check). The Reading police had no
report on file from Wal-Mart. the detective called back and told me not to
worry about it.

The best part is that yesterday, my wife was summoned in the case (it was
her handbag that had been stolen). Wal-Mart wasn't there. They never
reported it, so they were not notified that an arrest had been made. The guy
got 2 1/2 years, concurrent with other time for escaping custody. They told
my wife she could pursue the stolen cash, but it wasn't that much cash, and
would have involved multiple court appearances.

I did send them a note on their website letting them know that an arrest had
been made, and I was still waiting for my apology. They responded with an
automated response that they could not assist me.

Their loss. they are out several thousand dollars, between all their
locations with checks and credit cards.



"Skylune" > wrote in message
> Steve: That sucks! I would check Mass statutes on consumer protection.
> Some states have laws prohibiting this kind of harassment.
>
> I would also write a letter to the Worcester Telgram and the Boston papers
> telling them about the treatment you are receiving by Walmart (or their
> hired gun bill collectors.) Walmart is trying to expand around these
> parts: the LAST thing they want is (more) bad publicity.