Fastest 100hp homebuilt or kit?

[tom pettit]

Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want to
go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?

tom

[John Ammeter]

tom pettit <tompet<at>peak wrote:
> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want to
> go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
> tom
>
>

Most will easily go over 200 mph..... straight down...

John

[Jim Carriere]

John Ammeter wrote:
>
>
> tom pettit <tompet<at>peak wrote:
>> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do
>> want to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>>
>> tom
>>
>
> Most will easily go over 200 mph..... straight down...

LOL :)

Serious answer, Vari Eze comes close, probably not too many others.

[GTH]

Jim Carriere a écrit :
> John Ammeter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> tom pettit <tompet<at>peak wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do
>>> want to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>>>
>>> tom
>>>
>>
>> Most will easily go over 200 mph..... straight down...
>
>
> LOL :)
>
> Serious answer, Vari Eze comes close, probably not too many others.

Hi all,

I'm not aware of any homebuilt flying that fast straight and level on
100 hp.
In my hangar there are two LongEze, and they are not capable of doing
more than 165-175 mph at full throttle. It is no surprise when we
consider the large wing and small pusher propeller.

The fastest 100 hp kitplane I know of is the Dyn Aero MCR 01, reaching
190-195 mph with a Rotax 912S.

I've just built a four seater version with a Rotax 914 100 hp turbo, and
we recorded 181 mph at 100 % power. I'm using the 3 GPS method.

More info in English at
http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/index.html

You'll see a short takeoff video on my website.

Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr

[Adetokunbo Desalu]

Very funny!

On serious matter...
200mph on 100 horsepower? Rare! In this category, you will have to look at
single seat aircraft. On top of my head, Midget Mustang from Mustang
Aeronautics is a good example. AR-5 from www.ar-5.com is another example
but I'm not sure if you can get your hand on them. I can't think of others
but it is a start.


--
Toks Desalu
PP-ASEL
Dyin' to Soar
"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
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>
>
> tom pettit <tompet<at>peak wrote:
> > Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
to
> > go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
> >
> > tom
> >
> >
>
> Most will easily go over 200 mph..... straight down...
>
> John

[Montblack]

("tom pettit peak org")
> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?


http://www.mustangaero.com/
Midget Mustang
Aluminum, single-place, aerobatic speed machine!
200 mph with a 100hp Continental O-200

<http://www.mustangaero.com/Midget%20Mustang/Midget%20Mustang.html>
With a 100hp Continental it will have a top speed close to 200mph and can
cruise over 175mph burning only 6gal/hr.


Montblack

[Robert Little]

Lightning Bug is a glass 100 hp canoe that cruised over 200 mph with a 6'4"
x 240 lb pilot. Simply, a single place White Lightning. It flies with a
inline 3-cylinder AMW (?).

"tom pettit peak org>" <tompet<atdot> wrote in message
...
> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
> tom
>

[Kyle Boatright]

A Cassuit or other F-1 racing design would come close, depending on how much
attention you paid to building a straight, clean airframe.


"tom pettit peak org>" <tompet<atdot> wrote in message
...
> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
> tom
>

[ric]

It's actually "Cassutt", and they claim 200-230mph.
See http://cassutt.lornet.com/

Ric

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
> A Cassuit or other F-1 racing design would come close, depending on how
much
> attention you paid to building a straight, clean airframe.
>
>
> "tom pettit peak org>" <tompet<atdot> wrote in message
> ...
> > Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> > to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
> >
> > tom
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

One that is rarely mentioned is the mini-IMP http://www.mini-imp.com/

100hp
200+ mph max speed
180+ mph cruise speed
45-50 mph stall speed
5 gph consumption
Full specs at http://www.mini-imp.com/news.htm

[THEByleDuct]

One that is rarely mentioned is the mini-IMP http://www.mini-imp.com/

100hp
200+ mph max speed
180+ mph cruise speed
45-50 mph stall speed
5 gph consumption
Full specs at http://www.mini-imp.com/news.htm

[Philippe Vessaire]

"tom pettit" <tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:

> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?


http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/mcr.htm
http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/vla.htm

not yet 200mph, performances are for Rotax 912.

You can't, to day, see fastest 80HP two seater. You don't realy get a lot
more speed with 100HP (only 7% more).
VNE is 199mph....

by
--
Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

[firstflight]

How about 200kts on 80hp engine? 2 seats.
http://www.lhaviation.com/site_frame/bases_marges/index.htm

LH-10 Ellipse. Might have to wait a few years, but I know I want one!

JF

"Philippe Vessaire" > wrote in message
...
> "tom pettit" <tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
>> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
>
> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/mcr.htm
> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/vla.htm
>
> not yet 200mph, performances are for Rotax 912.
>
> You can't, to day, see fastest 80HP two seater. You don't realy get a lot
> more speed with 100HP (only 7% more).
> VNE is 199mph....
>
> by
> --
> Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
> Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬
>

[Robert Little]

So that is where the BD-12 went?
"firstflight" > wrote in message
...
> How about 200kts on 80hp engine? 2 seats.
> http://www.lhaviation.com/site_frame/bases_marges/index.htm
>
> LH-10 Ellipse. Might have to wait a few years, but I know I want one!
>
> JF
>
> "Philippe Vessaire" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "tom pettit" <tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
>>> to go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>>
>>
>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/mcr.htm
>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/vla.htm
>>
>> not yet 200mph, performances are for Rotax 912.
>>
>> You can't, to day, see fastest 80HP two seater. You don't realy get a lot
>> more speed with 100HP (only 7% more).
>> VNE is 199mph....
>>
>> by
>> --
>> Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
>> Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬
>>
>
>

[[email protected]]

Klaus's O-200 makes much more than 100 HP. Probably more like 150.

He manufactures, uses, and sells high-compression pistons for the
O-200. Plus, when he's racing it's probably turning 4k rpm or better.

Book rpm for the 100 HP O-200 is 2750 at takeoff, much less at cruise.

Mike Arman didn't have to "trick" the Rotax 582 for power to get over
200 mph in the AR-5. He did trick the airframe, however. Read all
the books and articles in his bibliography and you can build his
airplane too. He doesn't sell plans but you could still figure it all
out and come close, especially if you're as sharp and as talented as
Arman. Of course, I'm addressing the original poster here, only.

[Philippe Vessaire]

firstflight wrote:

> How about 200kts on 80hp engine? 2 seats.
> http://www.lhaviation.com/site_frame/bases_marges/index.htm
>
> LH-10 Ellipse. Might have to wait a few years, but I know I want one!
>

>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/mcr.htm
>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/lts/pages/vla.htm
MCR01

vapor plane vs 20 years flying...


by
--
Pub: http://www.slowfood.fr/france
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

[GTH]

firstflight a écrit :
> How about 200kts on 80hp engine? 2 seats.
> http://www.lhaviation.com/site_frame/bases_marges/index.htm
>
> LH-10 Ellipse. Might have to wait a few years, but I know I want one!
>
>
You bet !

A magnificent example of vapor technology ;-)
Unobtanium wings with Gossamer skin on helium-cell Futurium foam,
Not-Yet-Invented engine and No-Drag01 airfoil, the lot...

I saw the mockup at the Blois Show (France) last September.
IMHO, a very good add-on to MS Flight Simulator.

Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr

[GTH]

a écrit :
> One that is rarely mentioned is the mini-IMP http://www.mini-imp.com/
>
> 100hp
> 200+ mph max speed
> 180+ mph cruise speed
> 45-50 mph stall speed
> 5 gph consumption
> Full specs at http://www.mini-imp.com/news.htm
>

This is a single-seater. Besides, the mini-Imps I know of are much, much
slower than that.
And the takeoff performance and handling are reported to be, ahem...abysmal.

On the other hand, the MCR 01 are very well behaved, conventional
airplanes, with brilliant takeoff and landing performance. And they are
flying by the hundred in this country.
See
http://contrails.free.fr/temp/MOV00659.MPG

Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr

[Darrel Toepfer]

GTH wrote:

> On the other hand, the MCR 01 are very well behaved, conventional
> airplanes, with brilliant takeoff and landing performance. And they are
> flying by the hundred in this country.
> See
> http://contrails.free.fr/temp/MOV00659.MPG
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr

How much do you have invested in your 4 seater? Thanks, looks nice...

[keepitrunning]

"Jim Carriere" > wrote :
> Serious answer, Vari Eze comes close, probably not too many others.

I wonder what the horse power is in Klaus Savier's Vari Eze? Reno Race
results show
he goes 250mph:
http://www.sportclass.com/race_results_2004.html


Here is his site:
http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/Technicalities/Articles.htm

Gary

[UltraJohn]

Rand Robinson KR-2 but only if you resist the temptation to Modify (ie add
weighty accessories) supposedly does it on 75 hp but I think it's a bit
exaggerated!
John



"tom pettit" <tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:

> Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want
> to
> go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
> tom

[Stealth Pilot]

On 12 Nov 2005 06:47:01 -0800, wrote:

>Klaus's O-200 makes much more than 100 HP. Probably more like 150.
>
>He manufactures, uses, and sells high-compression pistons for the
>O-200. Plus, when he's racing it's probably turning 4k rpm or better.
>
>Book rpm for the 100 HP O-200 is 2750 at takeoff, much less at cruise.
>
>Mike Arman didn't have to "trick" the Rotax 582 for power to get over
>200 mph in the AR-5. He did trick the airframe, however. Read all
>the books and articles in his bibliography and you can build his
>airplane too. He doesn't sell plans but you could still figure it all
>out and come close, especially if you're as sharp and as talented as
>Arman. Of course, I'm addressing the original poster here, only.

mike arnold

[Nathan Young]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:37:51 -0800, "tom pettit"
<tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:

>Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want to
>go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?

Super Pulsar 100
http://www.pulsaraircraft.com/

[Jim]

I don't see a 200 mph cruise on 100 HP on the Pulsar website. They list the
O200 as a possible powerplant for the Super 100 but don't provide any
performance numbers for it. I wish the AR5 would go into kit production.
It is a neat airplane and goes like stink on a miserly fuel burn.

[Jerry Springer]

Jim wrote:
> I don't see a 200 mph cruise on 100 HP on the Pulsar website. They list the
> O200 as a possible powerplant for the Super 100 but don't provide any
> performance numbers for it. I wish the AR5 would go into kit production.
> It is a neat airplane and goes like stink on a miserly fuel burn.
>
>

True Jim but you and I would not fit in it. :-)

Jerry

[Jim]

I met the guy that built it (I think you were there) - he wasn't real small
and with a serious diet I think we could fit.

:-)

jim

[Nathan Young]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "Jim" > wrote:

>I met the guy that built it (I think you were there) - he wasn't real small
>and with a serious diet I think we could fit.

Not sure if you mean height or weight, but the Pulsar website shows
photos of a a 6'7" guy who flew it. The seats must be on a hell of
recline to fit someone that large.

[Nathan Young]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:06:48 GMT, "Jim" > wrote:

>I don't see a 200 mph cruise on 100 HP on the Pulsar website. They list the
>O200 as a possible powerplant for the Super 100 but don't provide any
>performance numbers for it. I wish the AR5 would go into kit production.
>It is a neat airplane and goes like stink on a miserly fuel burn.

Good point on the SP100. They list O-200, IO-240, O-235, Rotax and
Jabiru as engine options. These range from 80-125hp, so it is not
clear which engine is being used.

The AR5 was a single seat, right?

Another possibility would be the Q200. It is supposed to go 200mph
using an O-200, but I believe most are around 180mph.

[Jim]

Evidently they are pushing the auto engines. The performance numbers are
there for all but the O200.

Yes the AR5 is a single seat and IIRC the designer/builder was tall but not
too big around.

If I was going to build a small go-fast it would probably be the VariEze.
As for the Q200: 180 mph cruise is nothing to sneeze at on 5 gph.

jim

'05 HR2
looking for an RV3 kit or a single seat O200 250 mph homebuilt (NO F1's)
:-)

jim

Nathan Young wrote:

Good point on the SP100. They list O-200, IO-240, O-235, Rotax and
Jabiru as engine options. These range from 80-125hp, so it is not
clear which engine is being used.

The AR5 was a single seat, right?

Another possibility would be the Q200. It is supposed to go 200mph
using an O-200, but I believe most are around 180mph.

[abripl]

Shucks. BD-5 will do it with less than 100 hp. You can pick one up
cheap. But you need 3000+ hrs to finish one.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SQ2000 canard: http://www.abri.com/sq2000

[Richard Lamb]

I'm nearly 6' 3 and 300 pounds and found the Pulsar to be quite
comfortable.
Snug, yes, but no problem...

Yes, it does have a seriously reclined seat.

Richard

[Richard Lamb]

Ok, I went on a quick diet and lost 100 pounds in the last minute or
so...

Richard

[tom pettit]

Thanks all, for the suggestions. This will keep me busy looking things
over. Your help saved lots of searching.

tom

[Mark Hickey]

"Richard Lamb" > wrote:

>Ok, I went on a quick diet and lost 100 pounds in the last minute or
>so...

I know people who post here semi-regularly who lose that with one good
enema...

Mark "no names" Hickey

[[email protected]]

GTH wrote:
> firstflight a écrit :
> > How about 200kts on 80hp engine? 2 seats.
> > http://www.lhaviation.com/site_frame/bases_marges/index.htm
> >
> > LH-10 Ellipse. Might have to wait a few years, but I know I want one!
> >
> >
> You bet !
>
> A magnificent example of vapor technology ;-)
> Unobtanium wings with Gossamer skin on helium-cell Futurium foam,
> Not-Yet-Invented engine and No-Drag01 airfoil, the lot...
>
> I saw the mockup at the Blois Show (France) last September.
> IMHO, a very good add-on to MS Flight Simulator.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr

Not sure about the plane yet, but you'll notice on their website that
they no longer tout their " in-development " engine. They now list the
Jabiru 2200 as their powerplant.

Neal

[ELIPPSE]

Hi! Klaus probably has more like about 125hp at the rated 2750 rpm and
sea-level, and turns only around or slightly above 3000 rpm in a race
at Reno's 7000' density altitude. His forte is that he's reduced his
EZE's drag incredibly!
I recently tested my Lancair 235 with an O-235 at 210 mph TAS at 4500'
dalt, 2910 rpm.I typically cruise 198 mph TAS at 2750 rpm at 14,500
dalt, 5.8 gph.
Jim Patillo's Q200 will do about 200 mph at 5000' dalt at 3000 rpm. I
tested his plane at the Livermore Quickie fly-in this past summer with
my three-blade prop, and NO spinner. He did 189 mph TAS at 5300' dalt,
2550 rpm. Correcting his TAS for my spinner on-spinner off ratio-test
in my Lancair, and estimating what his results would be with a similar
efficiency prop turning 3000 rpm yields 203 mph TAS. A well-built
Quickie with a good prop is a good machine!

[ELIPPSE]

Hi! It's very important when discussing speeds that you designate TAS,
density altitude and rpm. Typically your speed will decrease about
0.6%/1000' increase in altitude. Thus a plane with a normally-aspirated
engine that goes 200 mph TAS at sea-level and 2750 rpm will be down to
about 189 mph TAS at 10,000' density altitude and about 2600 rpm.
Indicated airspeeds, without a calibrated and properly-located static
port and OAT sensor, are pretty meaningless. Also, due to dynamic (RAM)
pressure effect on engine power at 200 mph TAS, you have to be at about
9500' density altitude to obtain 75% power at rated rpm, not
7500'-8000' as usually assumed. At that density altitude and TAS, IAS
is 173 mph. Sea-level power at 200 mph TAS will be about 105% due to
RAM.

[[email protected]]

Maybe the answer the original poster is looking for is to be able to
make power up high where the air is thin, so something like a Europa
with a Rotax 914. Otherwise I don't see 2 seats going 200mph on 100hp.

[[email protected]]

Taylor Mini-IMP

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:37:51 -0800, "tom pettit"
<tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:

>Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want to
>go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
>
>tom
>

[Lou]

wrote:
> Taylor Mini-IMP
>
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:37:51 -0800, "tom pettit"
> <tompet<at>peak<dot>org> wrote:
>
> >Okay, I don't want to pay the fuel bill on a monster engine. I do want to
> >go fast. What kit or plans homebuilt will go 200 mph on 100 hp?
> >
> >tom
> >

The numbers look similar to the pulsar 100.
The more I look at this one, the more I like it.