GPS Approach Equipment Suffix

[Marco Leon]

I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing /G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going to
Bangor, ME this weekend.

Apologies for the cross post.

Thanks,

Marco Leon



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[Mike Rapoport]

I have been given GPS approaches when filed /G

Mike
MU-2


"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
> I'd try here.
>
> Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
> /G or /R?
>
> Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
> could
> find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
> "Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
> initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
> filing
> /R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
> RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
> /G?
>
> The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
> Preferred
> Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
> routes
> can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
> file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
> to
> Bangor, ME this weekend.
>
> Apologies for the cross post.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marco Leon
>
>
>
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[Newps]

Marco Leon wrote:
> I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
> I'd try here.
>
> Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
> /G or /R?
>
> Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I could
> find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
> "Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
> initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be filing
> /R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
> RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing /G?

It's a failing of the FAA. You are a /G.

>
> The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the Preferred
> Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways routes
> can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY."


WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
shocked.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>
> Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
> /G or /R?
>
> Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
> could
> find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
> "Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
> initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
> filing
> /R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
> RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
> /G?
>
> The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
> Preferred
> Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
> routes
> can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
> file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
> to
> Bangor, ME this weekend.
>

/G and /R are both for advanced RNAV with transponder and Mode C encoder.
/G is for GPS with en route and terminal capability. /R is for aircraft
that meet the prescribed Required Navigational Performance for the route or
area concerned. If your aircraft met /R standards I'm pretty sure you'd be
aware of it. /G was formerly used for GPS with en route, terminal, and
approach capability but the approach distinction was dropped a few years
ago. File /G.

[Allen]

"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
> I'd try here.
>
> Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
> /G or /R?
>
> Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
> could
> find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
> "Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
> initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
> filing
> /R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
> RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
> /G?
>
> The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
> Preferred
> Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
> routes
> can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
> file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
> to
> Bangor, ME this weekend.
>
I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
of it :), filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").

Allen

[Marco Leon]

Hey Allen. Thanks to you and to the others for replying. I'll file /G like I
normally do as per everyone's response.

P.S. I found my datacard between the cushions of my couch about 2 weeks
after I bought yours. :( Oh well.

Marco Leon

"Allen" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> >I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
> > I'd try here.
> >
> > Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to
file
> > /G or /R?
> >
> > Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
> > could
> > find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not
mention
> > "Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
> > initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
> > filing
> > /R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS
or
> > RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> > anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
> > /G?
> >
> > The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
> > Preferred
> > Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
> > routes
> > can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant
to
> > file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes
going
> > to
> > Bangor, ME this weekend.
> >
> I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
> of it :), filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
> controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").
>
> Allen
>
>

[Newps]

Allen wrote:


>
> I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
> of it :), filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
> controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").

Your sentence makes no sense.

[Marco Leon]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
> shocked.

Uh oh, here we go again... :)

Marco Leon

[Allen]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Allen wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards
>> out of it :), filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe
>> a controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").
>
> Your sentence makes no sense.

Which sentence?

Allen

[Peter R.]

Marco Leon <mmleonyahoo.com> wrote:

> When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
> RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
> anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing /G?

Typically, I will always request the approach I prefer rather than rely on
ATC to assign an approach. When flying to airports with only GPS
approaches (twice weekly over this past year), I have never encountered any
resistance as a /G requesting a specific GPS approach.



--
Peter
























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[Ron Lee]

Why bother buying a GNS 430 when you can just input the waypoints into
a Garmin Etrex and fly that way?

Ron Lee

[Marco Leon]

Because it's a risky...oh forget it!!!!
:)

Marco Leon

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
> Why bother buying a GNS 430 when you can just input the waypoints into
> a Garmin Etrex and fly that way?
>
> Ron Lee

[Newps]

Ron Lee wrote:

> Why bother buying a GNS 430 when you can just input the waypoints into
> a Garmin Etrex and fly that way?


Not legal.

[Morgans]

"Newps" > wrote

> WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
> shocked.

I wasn't aware that Garmin was making a handheld version of the Garmin
GNS430.
--
Jim in NC

[Ron Lee]

Newps > wrote:

>Ron Lee wrote:
>
>> Why bother buying a GNS 430 when you can just input the waypoints into
>> a Garmin Etrex and fly that way?
>
>
>Not legal.
>

I should have put a smiley so you knew I was kidding...refrring to
another thread about risks of using a non-IFR GPS for IFR flight.

Ron

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Why bother buying a GNS 430 when you can just input the waypoints into
>> a Garmin Etrex and fly that way?
>>
>
> Not legal.
>

No? What law would it violate?

[Marco Leon]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Newps" > wrote
>
> > WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
> > shocked.
>
> I wasn't aware that Garmin was making a handheld version of the Garmin
> GNS430.

Jim, go to the rec.aviation.ifr group and check out the thread titled "IFR
with a VFR GPS" posted on 11/08/05. You'll quickly realize it was a
tongue-in-cheek post. :)

Marco Leon


> --
> Jim in NC
>



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