Just when I thought I'd heard it all:-)

[Dudley Henriques]

It isn't really the fact that a lady passenger decided to open the door of a
737 in flight so she could have a smoke that bothers me.
It's the fact she got far enough into actually doing it to get a panel
warning light up front while the stews were shouting at her and apparently
doing little else!
Don't really know what the answer is for this one, as that door IS
accessible, but one thing's for sure.
They better start sending the stews back to security school for some
remedial education :-)))
Dudley Henriques

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Dudley Henriques" > said:
>Don't really know what the answer is for this one, as that door IS
>accessible, but one thing's for sure.
>They better start sending the stews back to security school for some
>remedial education :-)))

Aren't those plug doors, and as such un-openable when the plane is
pressurized unless you're stronger than Superman?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
If I have to deal with another salesweasel, I shall scream, if only to
cover the sound caused by me ripping his head from his body to use the
carcass as a footstool. -- MC Langston

[Steve Foley]

Here's the solution:

mms://68.178.174.134/BigMan/BatDay.WMV




"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> It isn't really the fact that a lady passenger decided to open the door of
a
> 737 in flight so she could have a smoke that bothers me.
> It's the fact she got far enough into actually doing it to get a panel
> warning light up front while the stews were shouting at her and apparently
> doing little else!
> Don't really know what the answer is for this one, as that door IS
> accessible, but one thing's for sure.
> They better start sending the stews back to security school for some
> remedial education :-)))
> Dudley Henriques
>
>

[Dudley Henriques]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Dudley Henriques" > said:
>>Don't really know what the answer is for this one, as that door IS
>>accessible, but one thing's for sure.
>>They better start sending the stews back to security school for some
>>remedial education :-)))
>
> Aren't those plug doors, and as such un-openable when the plane is
> pressurized unless you're stronger than Superman?

From what I caught as the tape flew through the news screen, she just
managed to crack the handle; just enough to trigger the warning light up
front.
DH

[Peter Duniho]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> Aren't those plug doors, and as such un-openable when the plane is
> pressurized unless you're stronger than Superman?

That's certainly the theory. Assuming a 5'x2' door (I know that's not the
actual measurement, but it's a nice conservative estimate), that's 1440
square inches. Assuming a 5 psi pressure differential, that's 7200 pounds
of force, much greater than any human can provide.

That assumes no mechanical leverage, of course. I don't know the details,
but just from watching the door mechanism in use, it appears that there's
*some* leverage available. But enough to allow a single human to overcome
the force required? Seems unlikely.

Even so, it doesn't seem as though it'd be a good policy to allow passengers
to go around messing with the aircraft doors. :)

I'm curious though...did this happen again? Or are we just rehashing the
event that happens months ago?

Pete

[Dudley Henriques]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
k.net...

> From what I caught as the tape flew through the news screen, she just
> managed to crack the handle; just enough to trigger the warning light up
> front.
> DH

Just to clear a bit..........this event seems to have occured in August. The
news tape seen today (while leaving the room actually) was an update on the
August event.
DH

[Joe Feise]

Dudley Henriques wrote on 11/22/05 13:43:

> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>
>> From what I caught as the tape flew through the news screen, she just
>> managed to crack the handle; just enough to trigger the warning light up
>> front.
>> DH
>
> Just to clear a bit..........this event seems to have occured in August. The
> news tape seen today (while leaving the room actually) was an update on the
> August event.


She was sentenced yesterday, hence the news bit.

-Joe

[.Blueskies.]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message ...
> In a previous article, "Dudley Henriques" > said:
>>Don't really know what the answer is for this one, as that door IS
>>accessible, but one thing's for sure.
>>They better start sending the stews back to security school for some
>>remedial education :-)))
>
> Aren't those plug doors, and as such un-openable when the plane is
> pressurized unless you're stronger than Superman?
>
>


Yes, "unopenable" in flight, and if the fuselage holds even a little pressure after landing, unopenable after landing.
However, the handles can be moved and I'm sure that the cockpit would know when someone unlatched them...

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, ".Blueskies." > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> Aren't those plug doors, and as such un-openable when the plane is
>> pressurized unless you're stronger than Superman?
>Yes, "unopenable" in flight, and if the fuselage holds even a little
>pressure after landing, unopenable after landing.
>However, the handles can be moved and I'm sure that the cockpit would
>know when someone unlatched them...

That's my point:
Chance that someone grabbing the handle could do any damage: 0
Chance that they'd be discovered doing so: 100%
Danger to everybody else: 0

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Stay calm, be brave, and wait for the signs!"
- Jasper Friendlybear and Gracie Heavyhand.

[Dale]

In article >,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:


> That's my point:
> Chance that someone grabbing the handle could do any damage: 0
> Chance that they'd be discovered doing so: 100%
> Danger to everybody else: 0

In a pressurized airplane. Back in the '80s an intoxicated male decided
he wanted out of a Twin Otter. He managed to get the door open but
people inside kept him from getting out. I heard that he did complain
later and wanted compensation for the shoe he lost.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[[email protected]]

Years ago, on a flight from Tenerife to Madrid I sat next to an old
lady - who just happened to be from the same town as me.
We talked for awhile, then the plane hit some CAT. It felt like the
bottom dropped out - a gasp went up from everyone at once.
The turbulence was soon behind us, and my seat mate was quiet
afterwards. Soon she got up and headed for the rear of the
cabin - and I didn't see her again. After we landed, someone told me
that she had gone to the rear door and tried to open it.

Later that same day I experienced the worst CAT I have ever seen - in a
747 crossing the Atlantic. Nobody tried to get out of that one.

David Johnson

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

wrote:
> Later that same day I experienced the worst CAT I have ever seen - in a
> 747 crossing the Atlantic. Nobody tried to get out of that one.



I remember flying from CLT to RDU one very crisp fall day immediately after cold
front passage. Beautiful day... you could see for 50 miles. It was so rough
*I* wanted to get out.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Jim Logajan]

Dale > wrote:
> In a pressurized airplane. Back in the '80s an intoxicated male
> decided he wanted out of a Twin Otter. He managed to get the door
> open but people inside kept him from getting out. I heard that he did
> complain later and wanted compensation for the shoe he lost.

I remember when the following story happened back in 2000, where a woman
managed to exit a Twin Otter while in flight:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/16/smn.13.html

"MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: That's something they don't teach you in
pilot school. Police in California still not sure whether it was an
accident or a suicide that led to the death of a woman who plunged to
her death from a plane.

We get more on the story from CNN's Rusty Dornin.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There was a routine
charter flight for five Hewlett-Packard employees who boarded this
DeHaviland twin Otter aircraft in Sacramento Wednesday afternoon. One
woman boarded last and sat in the rear of the plane.

It's a short flight to San Jose, a commuter flight. After takeoff, the
pilot noticed the emergency door light was on so the plane made an
unscheduled landing here, at Executive Airport, about 10 miles south of
Sacramento. The door was fixed, the plane took off again.

Then about three minutes after it resumed the flight, passengers heard a
whooshing sound.

ANDREW BLACK, FBI: The male passenger seated directly in front of the
female passenger turned around and observed that the female passenger
was now halfway outside of the plane. He made a very valiant effort and
took extraordinary measures in an attempt to rescue her. He lunged over
his own seat, grabbed a hold of her shoulder and arm while she was
partially outside of the plane and attempted to pull her back in.

Unfortunately, due to the wind, the motion of the plane and his position
in attempting to rescue her, he was unsuccessful.

DORNIN (on camera): Apparently it was so loud inside the aircraft the
distraught passengers said they couldn't explain to the pilot or
co-pilot what had happened. It was 45 minutes after the plane had landed
in San Jose that someone made the 911 call to report the woman missing.

(voice-over): Within hours of the Sacramento Sheriff's Department
launching aerial and ground searches, residents in a neighborhood three
miles south of the airport discovered the body of a woman in a community
garden. LT. SAM SOMERS, SACRAMENTO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: They had
found a female white who appeared to be dead and called the Sacramento
Police Department, at which point police units and also fire units were
dispatched to the area out here to check on the body. At which point
because of the similarities in the body that they located and that of
the person who was, who had departed the plane, we came out here as
follow-up.

DORNIN: The woman was a purchasing agent for Hewlett-Packard. No strange
behavior was noticed on the plane. No foul play is suspected. The
unanswered question -- did the woman commit suicide or did the door
malfunction?

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Sacramento, California."

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:00:54 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote in
et>::

>Don't really know what the answer is for this one

Perhaps the cabin attendants should limit the number of alcoholic
beverages passengers consume while airborne. Anything less is
irresponsible, and grounds for a reckless endangerment suit by the
rest of those on the flight.

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:11:12 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote in
>::

>
>Here's the solution:
>
>mms://68.178.174.134/BigMan/BatDay.WMV

Is that 'The Big Man' or the 'Pig Man'?