An ACE goes down in flames.

[PoBoy]

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm

[Jim]

PoBoy wrote:
> http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm

Sad when a man with such a glorious background succumbs to the trappings
of politics.

[sfb]

Trappings of bribery. Sadly, the guy was for sale. There may be more
opportunities in politics, but this was being on the take plain and
simply.

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> PoBoy wrote:
>> http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm
>
> Sad when a man with such a glorious background succumbs to the
> trappings of politics.

[Joe Delphi]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> PoBoy wrote:
> > http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm
>
> Sad when a man with such a glorious background succumbs to the trappings
> of politics.

Yes. Even sadder still when he goes down in flames alone and the crooked
companies that bribed him are allowed to continue to do work with the
Federal Government. I've never heard of MZM Inc. - went to their website
and it made some vague reference to doing "Homeland Security" work but no
specifics. Does anyone know if they build anything related to Naval
Aviation?

JD

[Keith W]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> PoBoy wrote:
>> http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm
>
> Sad when a man with such a glorious background succumbs to the trappings
> of politics.

Even sadder when he takes $2.4 million in bribes.

Keith



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[Mike Weeks]

Joe Delphi wrote:
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > PoBoy wrote:
> > > http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13275604.htm
> >
> > Sad when a man with such a glorious background succumbs to the trappings
> > of politics.
>
> Yes. Even sadder still when he goes down in flames alone and the crooked
> companies that bribed him are allowed to continue to do work with the
> Federal Government.

Current news reports indicate there's more to come, including other
so-called defense contractors.

> I've never heard of MZM Inc. - went to their website
> and it made some vague reference to doing "Homeland Security" work but no
> specifics. Does anyone know if they build anything related to Naval
> Aviation?

Again based on news reports, nothing specific mentioned dealing with
naval aviation.

MW

[Dudley Henriques]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Again based on news reports, nothing specific mentioned dealing with
> naval aviation.

Not on the level you're discussing Mike, but I can assure you, there will be
an unwritten and fairly silent but brutal ramification within the naval
fighter community.
Cunningham was the top dog in VN..number 1....the bragging rights if you
will. Ritchie has always been merely the good natured runner up at any O
club bar on any naval fighter base since the Viet Nam War. You know fighter
pilots. It's all in fun and very friendly, but deadly serious at the same
time. This kind of reversal doesn't go down well at Squadron level.
Cunningham did it for the navy in VN, and they have been enjoying that and
engaging in friendly harassment with their AF counterparts ever since the
war.
Now Cunningham has handed these guys the ultimate wet towel and from what I
know of the fighter community, the navy fighter community will NEVER forgive
him, even if it's just for that last round at the bar the Air Force would
normally have paid for.
Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less than
Randy.
Dudley Henriques

[Mike Kanze]

Dudley,

Well-put.

--
Mike Kanze

"The day that members of Congress will send their kids to the public schools of Washington, D.C., is the day I'll know we've fixed education in America."

- SEN John McCain, Wall Street Journal (11/27/05)

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message ink.net...

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Again based on news reports, nothing specific mentioned dealing with
> naval aviation.

Not on the level you're discussing Mike, but I can assure you, there will be
an unwritten and fairly silent but brutal ramification within the naval
fighter community.
Cunningham was the top dog in VN..number 1....the bragging rights if you
will. Ritchie has always been merely the good natured runner up at any O
club bar on any naval fighter base since the Viet Nam War. You know fighter
pilots. It's all in fun and very friendly, but deadly serious at the same
time. This kind of reversal doesn't go down well at Squadron level.
Cunningham did it for the navy in VN, and they have been enjoying that and
engaging in friendly harassment with their AF counterparts ever since the
war.
Now Cunningham has handed these guys the ultimate wet towel and from what I
know of the fighter community, the navy fighter community will NEVER forgive
him, even if it's just for that last round at the bar the Air Force would
normally have paid for.
Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less than
Randy.
Dudley Henriques

[Mike Weeks]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > Again based on news reports, nothing specific mentioned dealing with
> > naval aviation.
>
> Not on the level you're discussing Mike, but I can assure you, there willbe
> an unwritten and fairly silent but brutal ramification within the naval
> fighter community.

Excuse me? Here was the question: "Does anyone know if they build
anything related to Naval Aviation?"

I have no idea whatsoever as to what you _think_ I was claiming with my
response above.

> Cunningham was the top dog in VN..number 1....the bragging rights if you
> will. Ritchie has always been merely the good natured runner up at any O
> club bar on any naval fighter base since the Viet Nam War. You know fighter
> pilots. It's all in fun and very friendly, but deadly serious at the same
> time. This kind of reversal doesn't go down well at Squadron level.

And this has what to do with what was asked, and the resulting
response?

> Cunningham did it for the navy in VN, and they have been enjoying that and
> engaging in friendly harassment with their AF counterparts ever since the
> war.
> Now Cunningham has handed these guys the ultimate wet towel and from whatI
> know of the fighter community, the navy fighter community will NEVER forgive
> him, even if it's just for that last round at the bar the Air Force would
> normally have paid for.

This may come somewhat as a shock, but it's going to be more than the
"navy fighter community" which isn't going to foregive him for what
he's done.

But more to the point; what does it have to do with what was asked, and
the response?

> Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
> anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less than
> Randy.

And he has nobody to blame but himself, which I assume there will be no
argument. And as before, this has what to do with the question asked,
and what I posted?

MW

[Dudley Henriques]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
ups.com...

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > Again based on news reports, nothing specific mentioned dealing with
> > naval aviation.
>
> Not on the level you're discussing Mike, but I can assure you, there will
> be
> an unwritten and fairly silent but brutal ramification within the naval
> fighter community.

Excuse me? Here was the question: "?Does anyone know if they build
anything related to Naval Aviation?"

I have no idea whatsoever as to what you _think_ I was claiming with my
response above.

> Cunningham was the top dog in VN..number 1....the bragging rights if you
> will. Ritchie has always been merely the good natured runner up at any O
> club bar on any naval fighter base since the Viet Nam War. You know
> fighter
> pilots. It's all in fun and very friendly, but deadly serious at the same
> time. This kind of reversal doesn't go down well at Squadron level.

And this has what to do with what was asked, and the resulting
response?

> Cunningham did it for the navy in VN, and they have been enjoying that and
> engaging in friendly harassment with their AF counterparts ever since the
> war.
> Now Cunningham has handed these guys the ultimate wet towel and from what
> I
> know of the fighter community, the navy fighter community will NEVER
> forgive
> him, even if it's just for that last round at the bar the Air Force would
> normally have paid for.

This may come somewhat as a shock, but it's going to be more than the
"navy fighter community" which isn't going to foregive him for what
he's done.

But more to the point; what does it have to do with what was asked, and
the response?

> Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
> anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less
> than
> Randy.

And he has nobody to blame but himself, which I assume there will be no
argument. And as before, this has what to do with the question asked,
and what I posted?

MW

Get a ****ing life Weeks, and don't take yourself so ****ing seriously!
DH

[Mike Weeks]

my-oh-my, now that was so very "profound" ... geez ....

[Dudley Henriques]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> my-oh-my, now that was so very "profound" ... geez ....

Not interested in being profound. This is Usenet, not a class on Fermat's
Last Theorem.
You had already answered the posters question with a statement that didn't
need further amplification. Rather than open a new thread with a simple
comment about additional ramifications that might be happening within the
naval fighter community, I simply used your post to segway into that
additional comment by prefacing my post with a comment saying in effect that
I was doing this. That opening sentence was in part,
" Not on the level you're discussing Mike............but..........".
Your answering post to me was argumentative, overly aggressive, and
unnecessarily confrontational.
I take it you didn't like the thread creep.
If you had posted to me and simply said you objected to the creep, I would
have answered you and apologized to you.
For the way you posted to me however..........at the risk of seeming
unprofound, it's a simple "go **** yourself" and always will be when dealing
with me.
Dudley Henriques

[Mike Weeks]

Apologize for not apparently having the vision to see you were only
"creeping" ...

As to your last profound statement; well, glad I didn't respond in kind
....

[Dudley Henriques]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Apologize for not apparently having the vision to see you were only
> "creeping" ...
>
> As to your last profound statement; well, glad I didn't respond in kind

Tell you what Weeks. It just isn't worth our time and the newsgroup
bandwidth to continue this or any other communication. Let's just call it a
day and I'll refrain from posting to you again.
I'd appreciate it if you will show me the same courtesy and all will be well
in the valley .
DH

[Gord Beaman]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

>
>Get a ****ing life Weeks, and don't take yourself so ****ing seriously!
>DH
>

Temper temper dudster...


-Gord.

"You are completely focused on RPM as the
single factor producing rotational velocity"

-Dude Henrickles

[Mike Weeks]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Apologize for not apparently having the vision to see you were only
> > "creeping" ...
> >
> > As to your last profound statement; well, glad I didn't respond in kind
>
> Tell you what Weeks. It just isn't worth our time and the newsgroup
> bandwidth to continue this or any other communication. Let's just call it a
> day and I'll refrain from posting to you again.
> I'd appreciate it if you will show me the same courtesy and all will be well
> in the valley .

Tell you what Henriques, it'll depend on the subject - nothing more,
nothing less; since after all this is the net and an open NG.

MW

[Vox Populi]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote >
.. I didn't
> see any fighter pilots offering up roses.
> I think I can assure you, there will be
> an unwritten and fairly silent but brutal ramification within the naval
> fighter community.
This kind of reversal doesn't go down well at Squadron level.
from what I
> know of the fighter community, the navy fighter community will NEVER
> forgive
> him, > Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't
> think of
> anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less
> than
> Randy.
> Dudley Henriques

Cunningham, after 10 years in the slammer will come out with an asshole
almost as big as he turned out to be!
2.4 Million in bribes and he believed it would never come to light!
Too bad he wasn't a Democrat in the House.
Disgraced the uniform and his Oath of Office.
>
>

[Schlomo Lipchitz]

There is something missing here. I talked to a guy who was in his
squadrod or knew him very well. A great pilot, but not so great an
Naval officer. He was in the process of being rifted after he got
turned down twice for a regular commission. After he got the 5th Mig,
he got a call from the CNO who told him that a special augmentation
board had just been held and he was happy to tell him that he had been
selected to the Regular Navy.

[Yofuri]

Schlomo Lipchitz wrote:
> There is something missing here. I talked to a guy who was in his
> squadrod or knew him very well. A great pilot, but not so great an
> Naval officer. He was in the process of being rifted after he got
> turned down twice for a regular commission. After he got the 5th Mig,
> he got a call from the CNO who told him that a special augmentation
> board had just been held and he was happy to tell him that he had been
> selected to the Regular Navy.

You have the correct story. The same facts apply to Driscoll, his RIO.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Yofuri > wrote:

> Schlomo Lipchitz wrote:
> > There is something missing here. I talked to a guy who was in his
> > squadrod or knew him very well. A great pilot, but not so great an
> > Naval officer. He was in the process of being rifted after he got
> > turned down twice for a regular commission. After he got the 5th Mig,
> > he got a call from the CNO who told him that a special augmentation
> > board had just been held and he was happy to tell him that he had been
> > selected to the Regular Navy.
>
> You have the correct story. The same facts apply to Driscoll, his RIO.

I have a friend who writes books about Naval fighter aviation and get a
similar feedback. In fact, one of the characters in one of his books is
"loosely" patterned after Duke Cunningham.

--
Remve "_" from email to reply to me personally.

[[email protected]]

Hey...would Mike Weeks pretend to be something he's not???

I'll show you that AND ALSO that he is a traitor to his fellow
servicemen... Mikey! What happened pal? Did you wear your flight jacket
in a San Diego Bar frequented by realll jet jocks and ended up getting
disrespected??? Now they're "arrogant jet jocks" for laughing at you
and collectively throwing you out of the bar on your tail????

Come on Mikey...tell the people on the rec.naval thread about your
exploits.

Ohhhh! I love the TOPIC of this thread, folks!!!!

Now folks, ....

1)Mikey has conducted meetings at the San Diego ARI on the USS
Liberty...

2)....he was listed in the credits of A. Jay Cristol's fraud entitled
,"The Liberty Incident"

3)...he has over a thousand posts on the Google threads where he
discusses the Liberty Attack...

....yet he flees now that the GOI has been caught forging documentation
on the USS Liberty murders of 34 of his fellow American servicemen...

See for yourselves...what he has fled from...and see now how he, A. Jay
Cristol and Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League are AFRAID to
tell Senator John McCain that they have associated THE SENATOR'S
endorsement of that book of lies WITH forged documentationnnnnnnnn!!!!

Bwaaaahaaa!


OBSERVE:


Did Mike Weeks ever get caught bull****ting about being a "jet fighter
jock"?


YOUR "JET JOCK" QUALIFICATIONS, MIKE WEEKS...
CAN Y'POINT US TO THE HYPERLINK WHERE YOU'VE finally EXPLAINED WHAT
YOUR "QUALIFICATIONS" were that Kevin Brooks was talking about....



>kevin brooks said this:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF...
> "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
> tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
> since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
> called upon his own "qualifications"."
> Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!


....yesss, it izz oddddd....purrrhaps a bit too odd, Mr Spock...I think
we need to utilize the Vulcan Mind Meld!!!

Folks on this thread.....Mike Weeks is a ...ahem...computer
operatorrrrrrr....Wing Commander of the Data Entry Squadron("Break
Right!!! Break Right at 600 keystrokes per minute,damn it!)


Bwaaaahaaa!!!!! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!


Mikey...tell these good people on this thread about how Federal
Bankruptcy Judge, A. Jay Cristol thanks you and lists you in the
credits to his fraud attempting to cover up the murder of 34 young
American sailor boys on the USS Liberty by the Government of Israel.


34 of your fellow servicemen murdered Mikey and these people here on
this thread know of your active involvement in helping the murderers
evade justice.....


....and you had both Senator John McCain and ex-Senator Bob Graham
endorse the book.... Mikey, have you and Abraham Foxman told Senator
McCain about how his treason and that of his father is going to be
exposed to the American public and trash his candidacy for President of

the United States...


Yes, folks.... old Mikey herehas some mighty good connections within
the GOI... Mikey was strung along with William Green's, "World Guide to

Combat Planes" and Mikey took the bait...


....y'see the GOI had attempted to divorce themselves from the use of
rockets in attacking the USS Liberty....so they came up with a
fictitious munition("30 mm cannon shell with proximity fusing") which
has NEVER been manufactured AND WHOSE VERY existence was a
technological IMPOSSIBILITY in 1967....


...a week later, the Jerusalem Post, changed the Israeli story to 30mm
with AP....unfortunately one doesn't confuse "rocket fire" with "30mm
with AP" fire("think fourth of july spectacular according to retired
USAF Fighter Pilot, Bruce Charles)


....impressed with Mikey's contacts in the GOI and Anti-Defamation
League???


I sure am;Senator McCain sure will be AND HE'll wonder why it has been
more than 3 days now that Mikey, A. Jay Cristol and Mr. Abraham Foxman
of the Anti-Defamation League have not.... pay attention, sports
fans...


....have not informed Senator McCain that they associated his
endorsement of the book in which Senator McCain's father, Admiral
McCain had participated in an act of treason AS HIS SON now has done
with forged documentation..


Mikey...Senator McCain is a real hothead...he's going to be furious
that you all exposed him as a traitor to the families of those 34
American Sailors and their families by posting doctored photos and
doctored IDF Ground controller transcripts...


Mikey,,,, its that IDF Photo, m'poor wee bairn....Here MIkey ...we'll
show this thread's readership the traitor that you are to the US
Flag.....


Here is what I asked Phil, Mikey help him oot,laddie AND AT THE SAME
TIME show Senator McCain how your all going to appear before the US
Attorney.


Folks, unless that mast was transparent...then a portion of the ship's
superstructure/wheelhouse/bridge should be exposed...the portion behind

the mast.... look at what these goofs have done to Senator McCain and
his presidential candidacy...


http://usslibertyinquiry.com/essays/guncameraparts.html


QUESTION #1


Did the USS Liberty have a transparent mast, Phil???... The Gun Camera
Photo produced by Israel does not show any area of the
superstructure/wheelhouse, bridge which would have been obscured by the



mast..


....or did the Israelis doctor a photo to help cover up their murder of
the crew of the USS Liberty....


QUESTION #2


Phil Matthews.... on what page of the CIA Director's book does Helm's
state
that in his opinion, the attack on the USS Liberty as pro-Zionist, A.
Jay Cristol
maintains????


It's NOT Helms's opinion that a CIA Board of Inquiry was convened...it
was EITHER convened or it was not...


Correct?


....and that CIA Board of Inquiry was possessed of a "FINDING"...one of
may "findings"...which stated the Israelis knew exactly what they were
doing when they attacked the USS Liberty


It was not Helms's OPINION that there was a "finding", Phil....


QUESTION #3
Phil....have Cristol and Weeks intentionally lied?


QUESTION #4
Phil Matthews...on what page of his memoirs does Helms state that his
opinions were not the official position of the CIA?


QUESTION "A"
.....do you think that any of those you mentioned above who are still
alive would be able to point out in the IDF History Report of 1982 Gun
Camera Photo where the obscured portion of the
superstructure/wheelhouse/bridge would be, Mikey???


That mast was or
was not transparent, Mikey


The only way that a portion of the superstructure would not be obscured



by the mast would be if the mast was transparent...correct?


Is that even a Victory-Hull type ship, Mikey ?????

[[email protected]]

Hey...would Mike Weeks pretend to be something he's not???

I'll show you that AND ALSO that he is a traitor to his fellow
servicemen... Mikey! What happened pal? Did you wear your flight jacket
in a San Diego Bar frequented by realll jet jocks and ended up getting
disrespected??? Now they're "arrogant jet jocks" for laughing at you
and collectively throwing you out of the bar on your tail????

Come on Mikey...tell the people on the rec.naval thread about your
exploits.

Ohhhh! I love the TOPIC of this thread, folks!!!!

Now folks, ....

1)Mikey has conducted meetings at the San Diego ARI on the USS
Liberty...

2)....he was listed in the credits of A. Jay Cristol's fraud entitled
,"The Liberty Incident"

3)...he has over a thousand posts on the Google threads where he
discusses the Liberty Attack...

....yet he flees now that the GOI has been caught forging documentation
on the USS Liberty murders of 34 of his fellow American servicemen...

See for yourselves...what he has fled from...and see now how he, A. Jay
Cristol and Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League are AFRAID to
tell Senator John McCain that they have associated THE SENATOR'S
endorsement of that book of lies WITH forged documentationnnnnnnnn!!!!

Bwaaaahaaa!


OBSERVE:


Did Mike Weeks ever get caught bull****ting about being a "jet fighter
jock"?


YOUR "JET JOCK" QUALIFICATIONS, MIKE WEEKS...
CAN Y'POINT US TO THE HYPERLINK WHERE YOU'VE finally EXPLAINED WHAT
YOUR "QUALIFICATIONS" were that Kevin Brooks was talking about....



>kevin brooks said this:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF...
> "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
> tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
> since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
> called upon his own "qualifications"."
> Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!


....yesss, it izz oddddd....purrrhaps a bit too odd, Mr Spock...I think
we need to utilize the Vulcan Mind Meld!!!

Folks on this thread.....Mike Weeks is a ...ahem...computer
operatorrrrrrr....Wing Commander of the Data Entry Squadron("Break
Right!!! Break Right at 600 keystrokes per minute,damn it!)


Bwaaaahaaa!!!!! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!


Mikey...tell these good people on this thread about how Federal
Bankruptcy Judge, A. Jay Cristol thanks you and lists you in the
credits to his fraud attempting to cover up the murder of 34 young
American sailor boys on the USS Liberty by the Government of Israel.


34 of your fellow servicemen murdered Mikey and these people here on
this thread know of your active involvement in helping the murderers
evade justice.....


....and you had both Senator John McCain and ex-Senator Bob Graham
endorse the book.... Mikey, have you and Abraham Foxman told Senator
McCain about how his treason and that of his father is going to be
exposed to the American public and trash his candidacy for President of

the United States...


Yes, folks.... old Mikey herehas some mighty good connections within
the GOI... Mikey was strung along with William Green's, "World Guide to

Combat Planes" and Mikey took the bait...


....y'see the GOI had attempted to divorce themselves from the use of
rockets in attacking the USS Liberty....so they came up with a
fictitious munition("30 mm cannon shell with proximity fusing") which
has NEVER been manufactured AND WHOSE VERY existence was a
technological IMPOSSIBILITY in 1967....


...a week later, the Jerusalem Post, changed the Israeli story to 30mm
with AP....unfortunately one doesn't confuse "rocket fire" with "30mm
with AP" fire("think fourth of july spectacular according to retired
USAF Fighter Pilot, Bruce Charles)


....impressed with Mikey's contacts in the GOI and Anti-Defamation
League???


I sure am;Senator McCain sure will be AND HE'll wonder why it has been
more than 3 days now that Mikey, A. Jay Cristol and Mr. Abraham Foxman
of the Anti-Defamation League have not.... pay attention, sports
fans...


....have not informed Senator McCain that they associated his
endorsement of the book in which Senator McCain's father, Admiral
McCain had participated in an act of treason AS HIS SON now has done
with forged documentation..


Mikey...Senator McCain is a real hothead...he's going to be furious
that you all exposed him as a traitor to the families of those 34
American Sailors and their families by posting doctored photos and
doctored IDF Ground controller transcripts...


Mikey,,,, its that IDF Photo, m'poor wee bairn....Here MIkey ...we'll
show this thread's readership the traitor that you are to the US
Flag.....


Here is what I asked Phil, Mikey help him oot,laddie AND AT THE SAME
TIME show Senator McCain how your all going to appear before the US
Attorney.


Folks, unless that mast was transparent...then a portion of the ship's
superstructure/wheelhouse/bridge should be exposed...the portion behind

the mast.... look at what these goofs have done to Senator McCain and
his presidential candidacy...


http://usslibertyinquiry.com/essays/guncameraparts.html


QUESTION #1


Did the USS Liberty have a transparent mast, Phil???... The Gun Camera
Photo produced by Israel does not show any area of the
superstructure/wheelhouse, bridge which would have been obscured by the



mast..


....or did the Israelis doctor a photo to help cover up their murder of
the crew of the USS Liberty....


QUESTION #2


Phil Matthews.... on what page of the CIA Director's book does Helm's
state
that in his opinion, the attack on the USS Liberty as pro-Zionist, A.
Jay Cristol
maintains????


It's NOT Helms's opinion that a CIA Board of Inquiry was convened...it
was EITHER convened or it was not...


Correct?


....and that CIA Board of Inquiry was possessed of a "FINDING"...one of
may "findings"...which stated the Israelis knew exactly what they were
doing when they attacked the USS Liberty


It was not Helms's OPINION that there was a "finding", Phil....


QUESTION #3
Phil....have Cristol and Weeks intentionally lied?


QUESTION #4
Phil Matthews...on what page of his memoirs does Helms state that his
opinions were not the official position of the CIA?


QUESTION "A"
.....do you think that any of those you mentioned above who are still
alive would be able to point out in the IDF History Report of 1982 Gun
Camera Photo where the obscured portion of the
superstructure/wheelhouse/bridge would be, Mikey???


That mast was or
was not transparent, Mikey


The only way that a portion of the superstructure would not be obscured



by the mast would be if the mast was transparent...correct?


Is that even a Victory-Hull type ship, Mikey ?????

[C.D.Damron]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
> anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less
than


From what I have heard, nobody thought Cunningham was too bright.

[Diamond Jim]

"C.D.Damron" > wrote in message
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>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
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> > Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think of
> > anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less
> than
>
>
> From what I have heard, nobody thought Cunningham was too bright.
>

Well you heard wrong. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to become a
Naval Aviator to start with. Dummies don't make it!

While he wasn't in any danger of receiving a noble prize, he didn't need
anyone to tie his shoes either. He was about average. He really was only
interested in flying, and had no desire to be CNO, and never wanted anything
other than duty in a squadron. There is nothing wrong with that.

[John Carrier]

"Diamond Jim" > wrote in message
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> "C.D.Damron" > wrote in message
> news:6DQlf.609975$_o.150180@attbi_s71...
>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>> > Cunningham is a classic example of a good man gone bad! I can't think
>> > of
>> > anyone in my lifetime who had more going for him and ended up with less
>> than
>>
>>
>> From what I have heard, nobody thought Cunningham was too bright.
>>
>
> Well you heard wrong. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to become
> a
> Naval Aviator to start with. Dummies don't make it!
>
> While he wasn't in any danger of receiving a noble prize, he didn't need
> anyone to tie his shoes either. He was about average. He really was only
> interested in flying, and had no desire to be CNO, and never wanted
> anything
> other than duty in a squadron. There is nothing wrong with that.

All true. Nobody would have accused Duke of being the consummate naval
officer. He was a mark-one, mod-zero aviator and nothing more. He wasn't
even necessarily the best Phantom driver, but he was quite possibly the best
PREPARED Phantom driver in Vietnam circa 1972. He was presented
opportunities quite by chance and capitalized on them to the tune of 5
kills. There were more than a few guys in theatre with equal skills and at
least some of the opportunities and came away with nothing (due to a failure
to reset the gunsight for A/A, failure to turn on missile cooling, etc etc).

R / John

[St. John Smythe]

John Carrier wrote:
> All true. Nobody would have accused Duke of being the consummate naval
> officer. He was a mark-one, mod-zero aviator and nothing more. He wasn't
> even necessarily the best Phantom driver, but he was quite possibly the best
> PREPARED Phantom driver in Vietnam circa 1972. He was presented
> opportunities quite by chance and capitalized on them to the tune of 5
> kills. There were more than a few guys in theatre with equal skills and at
> least some of the opportunities and came away with nothing (due to a failure
> to reset the gunsight for A/A, failure to turn on missile cooling, etc etc).

And with all due respect for you, Duke and the other theatre aviators,
I'm reminded of the old maxim that success requires no explanation, and
failure allows no excuses.

--
St. John
"Never complain, never explain"
-Some admiral