Pilot/Mech Organizations

[W P Dixon]

Hi group,
I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas? Seems you can find tons
of places that help everything from battered women to HIV help..but not
really any aviation groups.
My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old mech
sport pilot in the process person ! ; )

--
Patrick Dixon
student SP
aircraft structural mech

[zatatime]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:55:05 -0500, "W P Dixon"
> wrote:

>Hi group,
> I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
>pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas? Seems you can find tons
>of places that help everything from battered women to HIV help..but not
>really any aviation groups.
> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
>speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old mech
>sport pilot in the process person ! ; )


Sorry to hear your bad news. I don't know of any pilot support
groups, but I would think at this point you would find at least some
of what you're looking for within any divorcee' help forum. These
groups would probably have different names in different areas since I
don't think there's a national group for it. If I were you I'd
probably call around to a few different churches, and possibly a
hospital or two. Not that you want to find god, or need therapy from
the hospital, but these are places who would have info on the who,
what, where and when of the group you'd be looking for.

It isn't much, but hopefully it leads you to something positive. I
hope you find strength to heal and laugh again.

Good Luck.
z

[Jay Honeck]

> I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
> pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas? Seems you can find
> tons of places that help everything from battered women to HIV help..but
> not really any aviation groups.
> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old
> mech sport pilot in the process person ! ; )

Sorry to hear it. If it makes you feel any better (and it probably won't),
I know two guys going through the exact scenario, right now. Must be a
phase of the moon, or something.

Pilots are an odd bunch. Fiercely independent, they're mostly non-emotional
(until you start talking about NORDO traffic, or Cessna-vs-Piper), and are
apparently willing to die of a heart attack before they'll take a drug that
might disqualify them for a medical. Looking for a self-help group in a
lot like this might be a far stretch, IMHO.

Unless you consider the hangar bums at the airport every Sunday morning to
be a self-help group. In many ways, they qualify -- and you'll probably
have more fun with them, too. :-)

Re: Relationships. Even the best have their moments. Mary and I broke up
for nearly a year, many moons ago -- and we're the most compatible couple
I've ever known. Sometimes crap like this just happens, and it sucks. But
remember -- things always, always, ALWAYS work out for the best in the end.

Good luck!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Hey Pat!

Sorry to hear you're all bummed out. I get that way all the time too!
Looks like Z and Jay have given you very good advices, more than I
could but I just wanted you to know that I'm here too and I feel your
pain.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
P.S. Work on yourself, concentrate on improving yourself (knowledge and
career). Things have always have a way of working themselves out.
Don't worry, be happy. It is always darkest before dawn. Feel free to
email me any time.

If al else fails... I can always take you to a very very enjoyable two
weeks in Thailand, if time and money allows of course. Hehehe... Chin
up! Buddy!

[W P Dixon]

Thanks Guys,
Well it only took my mind off it for alittle while but my buddy down here
let me fly his 1942 Aeronca L3 in all it's WWII colors and glory last
Sunday. Said he thought I may need a flying fix! ; )
Thanks for the thoughts. Things do look pretty bad. Things will be bad
fund wise as well, but I do hope to keep on trying to fly. Just may take
even longer now!
Not sure as of now if I am staying in TN or going home to GA. I love it
here, but sometimes things can't be as we hoped. Heck I sure wish I had a
travel trailer! I'd be set then wouldn't I! ; )

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey Pat!
>
> Sorry to hear you're all bummed out. I get that way all the time too!
> Looks like Z and Jay have given you very good advices, more than I
> could but I just wanted you to know that I'm here too and I feel your
> pain.
>
> Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
> P.S. Work on yourself, concentrate on improving yourself (knowledge and
> career). Things have always have a way of working themselves out.
> Don't worry, be happy. It is always darkest before dawn. Feel free to
> email me any time.
>
> If al else fails... I can always take you to a very very enjoyable two
> weeks in Thailand, if time and money allows of course. Hehehe... Chin
> up! Buddy!
>

[George Patterson]

W P Dixon wrote:

> I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
> pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas?

Not pilot-centric, but here are a couple of links to organizations that may help
you.
http://www.watauga.org/mental_health.htm
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G2B135C3C

FWIW, I've been there. Made it through with the help of friends.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Private]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in message
...
> Hi group,
> I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
> pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas? Seems you can find
> tons of places that help everything from battered women to HIV help..but
> not really any aviation groups.
> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old
> mech sport pilot in the process person ! ; )
>
> --
> Patrick Dixon
> student SP
> aircraft structural mech
>

CAUTION: turbulence ahead.

Now may be a good time for some human factors training and application. You
WILL be distracted and it may be wise to ground yourself or restrict
yourself to dual. Academic study, visualization and flight sims may allow
you to continue your training without compromising safety, and I would guess
that your finances may be taking a hit.

I agree with the other comments and condolences here and wish to extend my
best wishes for a quick resolution. I know it provides little consolation
but remember, "That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger". Things will
get better and you can survive.

Happy landings,

[Montblack]

("W P Dixon" wrote)
[snip]
> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old
> mech sport pilot in the process person ! ; )


[Longish babbling]

Not to get too personal but ... are there children involved here?

The advice is different for kids vs. no kids.

Court dates never end.
Don't say anything on the phone you don't want recorded.
Don't get divorced in the 80's --- The man hater decade.

Someone else stated - do something fresh, new:

Learn Spanish at the local community college, sign up for the YMCA - then
pound the weights, join a biking club, buy a $45K auction house and work on
it, etc. Stay super super super busy!!!

I would avoid the divorce groups - just me.
I would avoid dating for a spell, too. Work on *you* throughout the winter.

I would avoid the radio for a month or two, also. The radio is not your
friend right now - it took two months before my car radio came back on,
often times it would get switched back off after only a couple of songs.

I would limit phone conversations with "her" to 3 minutes TOPS. Do not screw
with the 3 minute rule!! More than two calls a week and you might as well be
pounding shots in a seedy bar - same good it will do you.

You are injured and bleeding. Do not reopen, then put more maggots in the
wound. Heal ...but disinfect first. <g>

Women call out to the herd for healing. They talk, the herd reassures them,
etc. Men need to build something. There, that'll save you 20 sessions of
silly talk therapy. Now, go build something. Your muscles, your education,
an auctioned 1974 Dodge Dart, a salvaged 152. Anything!!

On this point - do for you. Do not be eagerly "available" for others'
projects. That's too easy to fall into where you're at right now. It's all
about you - let friends help with YOUR projects. Seriously, this is all
about YOU regaining YOUR equilibrium. You can't do that building a friend's
deck, or another friend's retaining wall, or painting another friend's
house. All of that keeps you busy but gets you nowhere. You need to get
yourself somewhere other than where you are today.

Work is a 10 hour interruption in your day until you can get back to YOUR
project. No radio in the shop for now :-)

In conclusion, if it is over, you need to actually, turn, and walk away. DO
NOT stand on the dock waiting for her to wave as she sails away on your
boat.

BTDT ...and more.


Mont
I can eat fifty eggs.
Nobody can eat fifty eggs!

[Peter R.]

W P Dixon > wrote:

> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old mech
> sport pilot in the process person ! ; )

Hey, Patrick, I have no advice but I do offer you my sincerest condolences.

--
Peter

[Longworth]

Patrick,

Having witnessed the painful divorces of a sister and a brother,
I can understand that you are going through a terrible time.

Others have offered you some great advices especially the part
about staying busy. I just want to tell you my reaction in reading
your post which may give some insights. My thought was that why the
heck that you want to find an aviation support group for personal
problems unless it was an AIDS (Aviation Induced Divorced Symdrome)
case? Sometimes people grow apart in their marriages developing
separate interests to the point that they have nothing in common. This
could lead to separation or even divorces but probably no worse off
than staying together. I have witnessed happily married couples with
totally different hobbies but they usually share some other interests
be it in their children/grand children or home improvements.

If there are no chance of reconcilattion, getting back together
for a fresh start with both sides trying, One just have accept the
situation, doing the best to cope with it then move on. Time is the
best healer. Do try to watch your mental health and don't sink into a
depression. Seek medical help if needed.

Good luck with your recovery.

Hai Longworth

[W P Dixon]

Hai,
Nope not AIDS this time, it's much worse . I guess I will head to GA when
we get the ball rolling good and the lawyer says I can leave. Why an
aviation group...I think Jay had the ticket there. Aviation people tend to
talk aviation...and most time talking about something other than your
problem relaxes your mind for just awhile. Man oh man does mind need
relaxing! HAHA

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Longworth" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Patrick,
>
> Having witnessed the painful divorces of a sister and a brother,
> I can understand that you are going through a terrible time.
>
> Others have offered you some great advices especially the part
> about staying busy. I just want to tell you my reaction in reading
> your post which may give some insights. My thought was that why the
> heck that you want to find an aviation support group for personal
> problems unless it was an AIDS (Aviation Induced Divorced Symdrome)
> case? Sometimes people grow apart in their marriages developing
> separate interests to the point that they have nothing in common. This
> could lead to separation or even divorces but probably no worse off
> than staying together. I have witnessed happily married couples with
> totally different hobbies but they usually share some other interests
> be it in their children/grand children or home improvements.
>
> If there are no chance of reconcilattion, getting back together
> for a fresh start with both sides trying, One just have accept the
> situation, doing the best to cope with it then move on. Time is the
> best healer. Do try to watch your mental health and don't sink into a
> depression. Seek medical help if needed.
>
> Good luck with your recovery.
>
> Hai Longworth
>

[Matt Barrow]

W P Dixon > wrote:

> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old
> mech
> sport pilot in the process person ! ; )

Been there and eventually it worked out fabulously; hope it does likewise
for you.


--
Matt

---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Capt.Doug]

>"W P Dixon" wrote in message
> I was curious if anyone knows of any groups that try to help out
> pilots/mechs with divorce , homeless or other areas?

That group would be ... other pilots and mechanics. Hanging at the
airport talking with like-minded ilk would be my therapy of choice. Then I
would go fishing.

> My wife left a week ago Saturday and my world has crashed upon me so to
> speak. Just wondering what kind of help is out there for a crippled old
mech
> sport pilot in the process person ! ; )

F**k her!!!! You don't need anyone but yourself to be happy. Don't let her
control your life.

D.

PS- Some divorce lawyers will play on your emotions, and hers, to run up
their bill. Pay a good lawyer what s/he is worth but keep emotions out of
it.

[Gene Seibel]

Not sure about you, but I, like many other pilots am not really a
"group" person. Many groups end up rehashing over and over the details
of their individual experiences. Essentially wallowing in their
collective misery. The fact is that two people in a relationship are
individuals who each have a free will to make decisions. As long as
both have the relationship as a priority, it will survive. If one no
longer values the relationship, it can not continue, no matter how
badly the other wants it to. That's one of those hard facts of life
that's so frustrating. We only have the ability to change our half of
the equation. If the relationship is beyond salvaging, it's time to
decide if we want to be defeated or strengthened by the experience. It
wasn't easy for me. A few years later there are still ocassional stabs
of frustration at what happened, but I'm a better person and I
appreciate what I have a lot more.
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Gene Seibel wrote:
> Not sure about you, but I, like many other pilots am not really a
> "group" person. Many groups end up rehashing over and over the details
> of their individual experiences. Essentially wallowing in their
> collective misery. The fact is that two people in a relationship are
> individuals who each have a free will to make decisions. As long as
> both have the relationship as a priority, it will survive. If one no
> longer values the relationship, it can not continue, no matter how
> badly the other wants it to.


I'll tell you what I know about marriage, straight out of Sociology 101: men
and women approach marriage and relationships differently. A man will assume
that everything is hunky dory unless he's actively being bitched at. He only
thinks about the relationship when there are obvious problems. A woman, on the
other hand, reexamines the relationship *every* day, whether things are good or
not. Every day. So what happens? The woman is unhappy but keeps it to herself
until she's sure she wants out. Then she says she wants a divorce and the guy
is left scratching his head wondering what the hell happened.

Been there, done that. My own marriage went that way. I was clueless when it
happened. When I sat in class and listened to the instructor describing this
scenario, I thought he was talking about me. And he was... and every other poor
schmuck who gets dumped. The pain is worse because it comes from nowhere like a
bolt from the blue, at least for men.

As an aside, I ended up later taking Marriage and the Family as an easy
elective. Only those students who had been married got As. More to the point,
all of us who got As also were divorced.

One other thing worth noting about relationships: if you reduce it to a power
struggle, the partner who cares the least wields the most power. Think about
it.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Matt Whiting]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> As an aside, I ended up later taking Marriage and the Family as an easy
> elective. Only those students who had been married got As. More to the point,
> all of us who got As also were divorced.

So why is the success rate of second and subsequent marriages even lower
than first marriages?

Matt

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>
>> As an aside, I ended up later taking Marriage and the Family as an easy
>> elective. Only those students who had been married got As. More to the
>> point, all of us who got As also were divorced.
>
> So why is the success rate of second and subsequent marriages even lower
> than first marriages?


Because women are involved? Personally, I decided I'd rather be alone and have
learned to thrive on it. I don't have to compromise: everything is on *my*
schedule and to my taste. I buy toys when *I* want them (and as I can afford
them. There's a lot to be said for being a selfish *******.

As for sleeping alone, I got a dog. She doesn't mind if I fart in bed.

I can absolutely guarantee if I were remarried, money wouldn't be available for
me to fly.

Men and women go into marriages looking for different things. With men, it's
sex and companionship. With women, it's primarily for security (financial and
otherwise). I used to be shocked listening to my female coworkers describing
their husbands but no longer. I love women; I enjoy working with them and I
enjoy talking to them. I just wouldn't want to be tied to one. YMMV. We are
what we are and they are what they are. Don't be surprised when a marriage
fails; be surprised when one succeeds.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[George Patterson]

Matt Whiting wrote:

> So why is the success rate of second and subsequent marriages even lower
> than first marriages?

The pool of people that can enter into second marraiges have a track record of
failure. They blew it once, it's not surprising that most of them can blow it again.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Montblack]

("Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote)
[snip]
> Men and women go into marriages looking for different things. With men,
> it's sex and companionship. With women, it's primarily for security
> (financial and otherwise). I used to be shocked listening to my female
> coworkers describing their husbands but no longer. I love women; I enjoy
> working with them and I enjoy talking to them. I just wouldn't want to be
> tied to one. YMMV. We are what we are and they are what they are. Don't
> be surprised when a marriage fails; be surprised when one succeeds.


There are times when I want my gal to be a buddy, and treat her as such -
with poor results, while she's waiting for me to act like her girlfriend -
and is "hurt" when I don't do or say the right thing. This is when things
usually go south.


Montblack

[Matt Whiting]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As an aside, I ended up later taking Marriage and the Family as an easy
>>>elective. Only those students who had been married got As. More to the
>>>point, all of us who got As also were divorced.
>>
>>So why is the success rate of second and subsequent marriages even lower
>>than first marriages?
>
>
>
> Because women are involved? Personally, I decided I'd rather be alone and have
> learned to thrive on it. I don't have to compromise: everything is on *my*
> schedule and to my taste. I buy toys when *I* want them (and as I can afford
> them. There's a lot to be said for being a selfish *******.
>
> As for sleeping alone, I got a dog. She doesn't mind if I fart in bed.
>
> I can absolutely guarantee if I were remarried, money wouldn't be available for
> me to fly.
>
> Men and women go into marriages looking for different things. With men, it's
> sex and companionship. With women, it's primarily for security (financial and
> otherwise). I used to be shocked listening to my female coworkers describing
> their husbands but no longer. I love women; I enjoy working with them and I
> enjoy talking to them. I just wouldn't want to be tied to one. YMMV. We are
> what we are and they are what they are. Don't be surprised when a marriage
> fails; be surprised when one succeeds.

Well, mine is 23 years strong and I expect it to be my only one. My
family has a long history of 50+ year marriages, mostly terminated by
death. You have made the right choice for you, because, as you
indicate, selfishness and marriage don't mix. If only everyone would
understand that and make the choice before they get married the first
time. :-)

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

George Patterson wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> So why is the success rate of second and subsequent marriages even
>> lower than first marriages?
>
>
> The pool of people that can enter into second marraiges have a track
> record of failure. They blew it once, it's not surprising that most of
> them can blow it again.

True, I was just responding to the comment about divorced folks doing so
much better on a test in a course about marriage. You'd think if they
learned that much, the success rate would be higher the second time
around. I'm guessing the test was flawed.


Matt

[Gene Seibel]

That's good. Just don't take it for granted. I expected mine to the my
one and only for the first 29 years.
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> True, I was just responding to the comment about divorced folks doing so
> much better on a test in a course about marriage. You'd think if they
> learned that much, the success rate would be higher the second time
> around. I'm guessing the test was flawed.


It wasn't a test; it was the course itself. Only the divorced folks made an A
in the course. Of course, that would suggest we made As on all the tests as
well. And the paper.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Darrel Toepfer]

Montblack wrote:

> There are times when I want my gal to be a buddy, and treat her as such
> - with poor results, while she's waiting for me to act like her
> girlfriend - and is "hurt" when I don't do or say the right thing. This
> is when things usually go south.

As in migration? ;)

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Well, mine is 23 years strong and I expect it to be my only one. My
> family has a long history of 50+ year marriages, mostly terminated by
> death. You have made the right choice for you, because, as you
> indicate, selfishness and marriage don't mix. If only everyone would
> understand that and make the choice before they get married the first
> time. :-)


Good for you. Once upon a time there was shame attached to divorce and so
people did whatever it took to stick things out when all wasn't golden. Now
divorce is so easy and there is so little stigma attached to it, the first thing
that goes through people's minds when things get tough is "divorce".

I wasn't always a selfish *******. My wife and I didn't fight. I didn't cheat,
beat, or maltreat. I handed over my paycheck in its entirety (she was an
accountant and it made sense at the time that she handle the money). My sin? I
didn't make enough money. She left me; not the other way around.

So now everything is the way *I* want it and I'm no longer willing to
compromise. I'm quite content with my life as it is now. And my dog loves me
unconditionally.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[LWG]

My relationship, exclusive dating and marriage, was 26 years. I was the
first in my family to get divorced. My parents, grandparents, aunts, and
uncles, cousins and brother married for life.

Four fraudulent domestic violence petitions, three manufactured felony sex
charges, two feigned misdemeanor sex charges (yeah, I know it sounds like I
should add "and a partridge in a pear tree...") and one hundred thousand
dollars later -- and counting -- I have the house, my two sons, the
airplane, and I get a token child support payment once per month.

I found out about a relationship my then-wife was having by checking email.
I am convinced that if I had not discovered it when I did, I would be dead
or in prison this very moment.

There were lots of times when I went to our pastor and asked him whether
Mrs. Job was a borderline, because if she wasn't, I'm not *that*
impressed.... If you have never heard of borderline personality disorder,
count yourself blessed. To quote Toby, "I wish somehow I didn't know now,
what I didn't know then."

You cannot believe the agony I went through. My ex tried to destroy me, my
professional life, my reputation, literally everything in my life. I didn't
see my children. The police were constant visitors. I lost my retirement
savings and my practice.

The point is you can never tell with women. Earlier in my life, I gave
women credit for being fundamentally stable. They have a lot going against
them, like the hormone thing, menopause and the *incredible* ease with which
they can game the legal system. Unless you have experienced first hand how
women are treated in domestic cases, you will never know how breathtaking it
is. Even though I am a white, middle-aged, middle-class professional, the
minute she walked into the court building, I instantly knew what it was like
to be a slave in the antebellum South.

I had the great good fortune to have a female judge in my trial. A lot of
the unfairness in the legal system stems from male judges and domestic
equity masters who fall for the sniffles and batting eyes. Women know that
men will do anything, absolutely anything, if there is the remotest possible
chance they will get laid.

Now my attitude with women and insanity is like pilots and
gear-ups --there's them that has, and them that will.



> Well, mine is 23 years strong and I expect it to be my only one. My
> family has a long history of 50+ year marriages, mostly terminated by
> death. You have made the right choice for you, because, as you indicate,
> selfishness and marriage don't mix. If only everyone would understand
> that and make the choice before they get married the first time. :-)
>
> Matt

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

LWG wrote:
> Four fraudulent domestic violence petitions, three manufactured felony sex
> charges, two feigned misdemeanor sex charges (yeah, I know it sounds like I
> should add "and a partridge in a pear tree...") and one hundred thousand
> dollars later -- and counting -- I have the house, my two sons, the
> airplane, and I get a token child support payment once per month.



Reading your story made me damned glad I married the woman I did. True, our
marriage fell apart... but nobody tried to destroy the other. Since there were
no kids involved, we basically took out what we'd brought in and split the stuff
acquired during the marriage between us. No lawyers were involved up until the
time I actually filed for divorce and at that point it was just for the purpose
of filing papers.

My parents "gave" me the divorce for Christmas. I guess there's a message there
but I was grateful that they paid for the lawyer.

I haven't seen nor heard from my ex-wife since 1991. Life goes on.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Flyingmonk]

>>Thanks Guys,
Well it only took my mind off it for alittle while but my buddy down
here
let me fly his 1942 Aeronca L3 in all it's WWII colors and glory last
Sunday. Said he thought I may need a flying fix! ; )
Thanks for the thoughts. Things do look pretty bad. Things will be
bad
fund wise as well, but I do hope to keep on trying to fly. Just may
take
even longer now!
Not sure as of now if I am staying in TN or going home to GA. I love it

here, but sometimes things can't be as we hoped. Heck I sure wish I had
a
travel trailer! I'd be set then wouldn't I! ; )

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
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- Show quoted text -
>>

Quoted from a Thai/Farang Forum:
> Not only Americans seem to die in inordinately large numbers.
> IIRC Germans have the worst mortality rate there, but Pattaya City can
> hardly be blamed for the self destructive actions of many Farangs who
> go there.

Exactly. It's not surprising that so many die. Take a 50 year old man
who decides his 48 year old wife just isn't cutting it any more so he
goes to Pattaya and gets a case of whiskey and a bottle of Viagra and a

19 year old bar girl and a week later his heart gives out. Damn that
Thailand!!

Reply

Above is just an example of having too much fun in Thailand. Hehehe...
Chin Up Mate!

[Flyingmonk]

Sorry about the above messy post guys and gals... I'm not very good at
trimming yet, but working on it.

[LWG]

You're lucky. I've come across some couples who were actually better
friends after they were divorced than while they were married. I am
thinking of a gorgeous woman I went out with after my divorce. She scared me
a little when she kept talking about what a great guy her ex was. My
thought was, if he's such a nice guy, why the hell did you divorce him? The
best answer I got was that he was too nice, not romantic enough. She was
interested in flying, so we had some fun times together...

My current girlfriend grew up half a world away, in a different culture, and
lived for years in a real, shooting war zone. So, I figure we have a lot in
common....

I trust that when my airplane does me in, she'll be kind enough to be quick
about it.

The really amazing thing is that my ex is not the most troubled woman I have
been in a relationship with. My high school/college girlfriend went on to
marry her next door neighbor, raise three children, and slaughter them all
before committing suicide.


>> Four fraudulent domestic violence petitions, three manufactured felony
>> sex
>> charges, two feigned misdemeanor sex charges (yeah, I know it sounds like
>> I
>> should add "and a partridge in a pear tree...") and one hundred thousand
>> dollars later -- and counting -- I have the house, my two sons, the
>> airplane, and I get a token child support payment once per month.

> Reading your story made me damned glad I married the woman I did. True,
> our marriage fell apart... but nobody tried to destroy the other. Since
> there were no kids involved, we basically took out what we'd brought in
> and split the stuff acquired during the marriage between us. No lawyers
> were involved up until the time I actually filed for divorce and at that
> point it was just for the purpose of filing papers.