Class III Medical

[Flyingmonk]

How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
thanks.

[Jay Honeck]

> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?

$100, cash, in Iowa.

Quite the rip off, for 15 minutes of "work"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

>$100, cash, in Iowa.

>Quite the rip off, for 15 minutes of "work"...

....and thrity minutes waiting in the waiting room for you to boot. I
hate it when I get to the doctor's office at the scheduled time and
have to wait thirty minutes to be call. Then the nurse takes me to the
first room where I get weighted and my height is recorded. She then
takes me to another room where I have to wait AGAIN for the doctor to
come see me. There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
the doctor's office.

The Monk

[George Patterson]

Flyingmonk wrote:

> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?

$65 in New Jersey.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Quite the rip off, for 15 minutes of "work"...

If it only took 15 minutes and they gave you the certificate, it was cheap. An
expensive one costs half that and grounds you for 6 months.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Peter R.]

Flyingmonk > wrote:

> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.

US $90 in western NY.

--
Peter

[John Huthmaker]

$75.00 February 2005 in Southern California. I honestly couldn't believe
that it was that reasonably priced.

--
John Huthmaker

http://www.cogentnetworking.com
"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>

[Cub Driver]

On 1 Dec 2005 21:29:34 -0800, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:

>There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
>the doctor's office.

Still, it beats the former system, where everyone went to the doc at
the same time, at night because everyone worked during the day, and
you waited your turn in the waiting room.

$60 in Dover NH.

That was however two years ago. Will report back on my 2005
experience.



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[Javier Henderson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
>
> $100, cash, in Iowa.

$110 in Palo Alto, CA, in September 2005.

-jav

[Arnold Sten]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>
I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard cash,
which I always find curious). The AME also is the single owner of a
Brand new C210. Perhaps I should considermyself a part owner of that plane.

[Bob Moore]

Arnold Sten >
> I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard
> cash, which I always find curious). The AME also is the single owner
> of a Brand new C210. Perhaps I should considermyself a part owner of
> that plane.

My next-door neighbor is an AME and a pilot. He does my Medical Exams
and I do his Flight Reviews. Works real good.....both of us pass! :-)

Bob Moore

[Peter R.]

Arnold Sten > wrote:

> The AME also is the single owner of a Brand new C210.
> Perhaps I should considermyself a part owner of that plane.

Yeah, you own his landing light. :-)

--
Peter

[Paul kgyy]

$100, cash only, Chicago

He's crazy as a bedbug

[Denny]

There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
the doctor's office.
************************************************** **************

Like you, I hate to wait more than a few minutes for ANY scheduled
appointment... My time is valuable just like yours... I try (really,
really try) to run my office on time...

Lessee, let me remember yesterday... Sara was scheduled in for a blood
pressure check and to refill her meds (BP and arthritis), she told the
receptionist that she had no other problems when she made the
appointment two days before, <'routine check up with three or less
meds' - ten minutes is blocked off for her by the scheduler>... She has
no transportation so she rides the County Commission on Aging buses,
they drop her at 8:15 and are scheduled to pick her back up at 8:50...
Appointment was 8:30, I walked into the room at 8:28... 8:35 I had
checked the BP (OK), listened to heart and lungs (OK), squeezed ankles
for signs of edema (NONE), asked her how her arthritis was behaving
(OK), wrote her prescriptions, and I'm edging towards the door... <I'm
gonna get out of here with a couple minutes to spare, yippee> Then she
whips out the <dreaded> L I S T... AARP tells her to put everything on
a list and DEMAND that I cover each and every item before I leave the
room... So, <with a sigh> I dig into her list... By really pushing her
not to describe the history of each item back to 1941 in agonizing
detail I manage to finish her list and push her to the checkout desk by
8:55... I am now one full 15 minute appointment behind (and the bus
driver is not thrilled either, I can see his lips moving as he sits
slumped over his wheel)...

The next two 'routine visit with refills' go well and I recover 5
minutes on the schedule, but I'm still 10 minutes behind, though I have
hopes of making a miracle recovery... All I need is a couple of sports
physicals and I can 'almost' close the gap... Then the show stopper
walks in... Scheduled for a 15 minute block (she always takes extra
time) for a simple one prescription refill she is weeping and shaking
when I walk into the room... <long tale of woe will be skipped here>
By the time I push her out the door I am a full 30 minutes behind...
The patients are now snarling at me when I stagger into the exam
room... By 11:00 I'm snarling back... Thank Gawd for lunch where I can
at least restart on time...

The afternoon goes better, but I still slowly slip about 20 minutes
behind by 5:00 <Oh, hey doc I also need you to fill out this inurance
form for that week I was off last month and it has to be in the mail
today or I won't get my sick pay in time to make the mortgage payment
on the house.> jeez...

I agree that some docs should have their rear end kicked because they
over book patients, yak on the phone with their golfing buddy, etc.,
etc. until the office looks like a parking lot.. But most docs try
hard to run on time <we like to go home before it is pitch black
outside, just like you>... The realities of running a n office in the
21st century is that it is a business... There are seven people on the
time clock every hour the office is open, the heat and lights are on,
the lot is plowed free of snow, the malpractice insurance premium is
paid up, the slip and fall insurance is paid, the accountant gets paid
every month, and on, and on... As a family doc I don't have the luxury
of being paid 300 hundred dollars for a routine visit and two
prescriptions, so to make the overhead we have to keep the appointment
book full, or go out of business... Simple as that...

denny

[Longworth]

Where I live in NY, we paid $85 in 2001, $100 in 2003 and 2005. I
expect higher fee in 2007.

Hai Longworth

[Steve Foley]

Denny,

Thanks for the reality check. It's so easy to blame someone else when you
really have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.


"Denny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
> the doctor's office.
> ************************************************** **************
>
> Like you, I hate to wait more than a few minutes for ANY scheduled
> appointment... My time is valuable just like yours... I try (really,
> really try) to run my office on time...
>
> Lessee, let me remember yesterday... Sara was scheduled in for a blood
> pressure check and to refill her meds (BP and arthritis), she told the
> receptionist that she had no other problems when she made the
> appointment two days before, <'routine check up with three or less
> meds' - ten minutes is blocked off for her by the scheduler>... She has
> no transportation so she rides the County Commission on Aging buses,
> they drop her at 8:15 and are scheduled to pick her back up at 8:50...
> Appointment was 8:30, I walked into the room at 8:28... 8:35 I had
> checked the BP (OK), listened to heart and lungs (OK), squeezed ankles
> for signs of edema (NONE), asked her how her arthritis was behaving
> (OK), wrote her prescriptions, and I'm edging towards the door... <I'm
> gonna get out of here with a couple minutes to spare, yippee> Then she
> whips out the <dreaded> L I S T... AARP tells her to put everything on
> a list and DEMAND that I cover each and every item before I leave the
> room... So, <with a sigh> I dig into her list... By really pushing her
> not to describe the history of each item back to 1941 in agonizing
> detail I manage to finish her list and push her to the checkout desk by
> 8:55... I am now one full 15 minute appointment behind (and the bus
> driver is not thrilled either, I can see his lips moving as he sits
> slumped over his wheel)...
>
> The next two 'routine visit with refills' go well and I recover 5
> minutes on the schedule, but I'm still 10 minutes behind, though I have
> hopes of making a miracle recovery... All I need is a couple of sports
> physicals and I can 'almost' close the gap... Then the show stopper
> walks in... Scheduled for a 15 minute block (she always takes extra
> time) for a simple one prescription refill she is weeping and shaking
> when I walk into the room... <long tale of woe will be skipped here>
> By the time I push her out the door I am a full 30 minutes behind...
> The patients are now snarling at me when I stagger into the exam
> room... By 11:00 I'm snarling back... Thank Gawd for lunch where I can
> at least restart on time...
>
> The afternoon goes better, but I still slowly slip about 20 minutes
> behind by 5:00 <Oh, hey doc I also need you to fill out this inurance
> form for that week I was off last month and it has to be in the mail
> today or I won't get my sick pay in time to make the mortgage payment
> on the house.> jeez...
>
> I agree that some docs should have their rear end kicked because they
> over book patients, yak on the phone with their golfing buddy, etc.,
> etc. until the office looks like a parking lot.. But most docs try
> hard to run on time <we like to go home before it is pitch black
> outside, just like you>... The realities of running a n office in the
> 21st century is that it is a business... There are seven people on the
> time clock every hour the office is open, the heat and lights are on,
> the lot is plowed free of snow, the malpractice insurance premium is
> paid up, the slip and fall insurance is paid, the accountant gets paid
> every month, and on, and on... As a family doc I don't have the luxury
> of being paid 300 hundred dollars for a routine visit and two
> prescriptions, so to make the overhead we have to keep the appointment
> book full, or go out of business... Simple as that...
>
> denny
>

[Wiz]

Uhm, $140 in Washington, DC, and they got my social security number
wrong, and lost my certificate and just typed out a new one that didn't
match the number on the form on file at FAA, which I didn't find out
until just before I was supposed to take my checkride, causing me to
have to cancel, but you guys have heard this one before...

[[email protected]]

Amen to that! Today there will be even more different reasons beyond
your control for getting behind. And more expenses that dwindle those
"high" fees of yours :-(


Denny wrote:
> There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
> the doctor's office.
> ************************************************** **************
>
> Like you, I hate to wait more than a few minutes for ANY scheduled
> appointment... My time is valuable just like yours... I try (really,
> really try) to run my office on time...
>
> Lessee, let me remember yesterday... Sara was scheduled in for a blood

[N93332]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.

My last one at a Mayo was $155. Other AME's around southern MN and northern
IA are $90-120 for 3rd class..

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
>
>
> $100, cash, in Iowa.
>
> Quite the rip off, for 15 minutes of "work"...

And remdmber you pay for my class 2 every year. You the man.

[Jim Burns]

Every time I am late to see a Dr, I always remember how accommodating they
have been to me in the past when I have something extra at the end of a
normal visit. Remembering those times always lowers my blood pressure and
extends my patience.
Thanks,
Jim (who had his last physical last month, Class II, $80 and gladly waited
through lunch which put his appointment over 1 hour later than scheduled.)

"Denny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> There should be a way to "back charge" our wait time at
> the doctor's office.
> ************************************************** **************
>
> Like you, I hate to wait more than a few minutes for ANY scheduled
> appointment... My time is valuable just like yours... I try (really,
> really try) to run my office on time...
>
> Lessee, let me remember yesterday... Sara was scheduled in for a blood
> pressure check and to refill her meds (BP and arthritis), she told the
> receptionist that she had no other problems when she made the
> appointment two days before, <'routine check up with three or less
> meds' - ten minutes is blocked off for her by the scheduler>... She has
> no transportation so she rides the County Commission on Aging buses,
> they drop her at 8:15 and are scheduled to pick her back up at 8:50...
> Appointment was 8:30, I walked into the room at 8:28... 8:35 I had
> checked the BP (OK), listened to heart and lungs (OK), squeezed ankles
> for signs of edema (NONE), asked her how her arthritis was behaving
> (OK), wrote her prescriptions, and I'm edging towards the door... <I'm
> gonna get out of here with a couple minutes to spare, yippee> Then she
> whips out the <dreaded> L I S T... AARP tells her to put everything on
> a list and DEMAND that I cover each and every item before I leave the
> room... So, <with a sigh> I dig into her list... By really pushing her
> not to describe the history of each item back to 1941 in agonizing
> detail I manage to finish her list and push her to the checkout desk by
> 8:55... I am now one full 15 minute appointment behind (and the bus
> driver is not thrilled either, I can see his lips moving as he sits
> slumped over his wheel)...
>
> The next two 'routine visit with refills' go well and I recover 5
> minutes on the schedule, but I'm still 10 minutes behind, though I have
> hopes of making a miracle recovery... All I need is a couple of sports
> physicals and I can 'almost' close the gap... Then the show stopper
> walks in... Scheduled for a 15 minute block (she always takes extra
> time) for a simple one prescription refill she is weeping and shaking
> when I walk into the room... <long tale of woe will be skipped here>
> By the time I push her out the door I am a full 30 minutes behind...
> The patients are now snarling at me when I stagger into the exam
> room... By 11:00 I'm snarling back... Thank Gawd for lunch where I can
> at least restart on time...
>
> The afternoon goes better, but I still slowly slip about 20 minutes
> behind by 5:00 <Oh, hey doc I also need you to fill out this inurance
> form for that week I was off last month and it has to be in the mail
> today or I won't get my sick pay in time to make the mortgage payment
> on the house.> jeez...
>
> I agree that some docs should have their rear end kicked because they
> over book patients, yak on the phone with their golfing buddy, etc.,
> etc. until the office looks like a parking lot.. But most docs try
> hard to run on time <we like to go home before it is pitch black
> outside, just like you>... The realities of running a n office in the
> 21st century is that it is a business... There are seven people on the
> time clock every hour the office is open, the heat and lights are on,
> the lot is plowed free of snow, the malpractice insurance premium is
> paid up, the slip and fall insurance is paid, the accountant gets paid
> every month, and on, and on... As a family doc I don't have the luxury
> of being paid 300 hundred dollars for a routine visit and two
> prescriptions, so to make the overhead we have to keep the appointment
> book full, or go out of business... Simple as that...
>
> denny
>

[John Huthmaker]

That's a sweet deal.

--
John Huthmaker

http://www.cogentnetworking.com
"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 121...
> Arnold Sten >
>> I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard
>> cash, which I always find curious). The AME also is the single owner
>> of a Brand new C210. Perhaps I should considermyself a part owner of
>> that plane.
>
> My next-door neighbor is an AME and a pilot. He does my Medical Exams
> and I do his Flight Reviews. Works real good.....both of us pass! :-)
>
> Bob Moore

[Robet Coffey]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>
$85.00 Tennessee. Appt at 8am- out by 8:20

[Rachel]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>
My last class III medical was in Chicago, $85. That was in early 2000,
though. My last medical was a class II last October, and was $90
(different AME, who charges the same for all classes).

[John T]

95.00 in southern WI. First time with this AME, my former one lost my
records, and didn't understand the discrection he had in issuing with a
restriction.

John

[Montblack]

("Denny" wrote)
> Like you, I hate to wait more than a few minutes for ANY scheduled
> appointment... My time is valuable just like yours... I try (really,
> really try) to run my office on time...
>
> Lessee, let me remember yesterday...
[good stuff snipped]


I *always* try for one of the first appointments of the day. So far, so
good. Not much waiting.

I called and told the office-clinic I'd be 20 minutes late for a follow-up
staple removing visit. The surgeon wasn't there yet when I arrived. I went
into the room and waited for all of 2 minutes. He came in and I said, "What
took you?" He said, "Don't give me that #%^&, I pulled in right behind you
in the parking lot!"

Oops :-)


Montblack

[Chris]

$153 today in England which is better than my JAR class2 (no class 3s
anymore) at $250

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>

[Matt]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>

About 18 months ago I renewed by third class in Massachusetts. $75.
Previously the price was $50 when it was good for two years. Is "medicine"
a business or what?

Matt

[Jose]

> I try (really,
> really try) to run my office on time...
>
> Lessee, let me remember yesterday... Sara was scheduled in for...

If this happens routinely, you should schedule a "catch-up" slot with no
appointments. In the rare event that you don't need to catch up, I'm
sure there are things to go over with your office staff or patients that
are there early.

If this does not happen routinely, then the receptionist should tell
patients on coming in that you are x minutes behind and doing the best
to catch up. That, up front, will go a long way towards making patients
feel better while waiting.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[grubertm]

$90, San Diego, 14 months ago.

Nurse was ignorant, Doc sounded arrogant, but at least it only took 30
minutes total.

[BTIZ]

Class II, $85 Las Vegas NV
In and out on time. Friday mornings is AME day only

BT

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>

[Ronald Gardner]

$50 in PA

Flyingmonk wrote:

> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.

[Ronald Gardner]

I guess, mine was $50 also in N. Central PA.

Arnold Sten wrote:

> Flyingmonk wrote:
> > How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> > I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> > thanks.
> >
> I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard cash,
> which I always find curious). The AME also is the single owner of a
> Brand new C210. Perhaps I should considermyself a part owner of that plane.

[Peter Freeman]

About 2 years ago I got my third class for $80, in central Ohio.

I just got a first class last June and it was $80 also. And they did a
lot less tests (different doctor)...

[Cub Driver]

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:27:05 -0500, Arnold Sten
> wrote:

>I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard cash,
>which I always find curious).

Certainly is! The only people I know who ask for cash drive lawnmowers
or carry mops.


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[Cub Driver]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:59 -0000, "Chris" >
wrote:

>$153 today in England which is better than my JAR class2 (no class 3s
>anymore) at $250

What happened to the National Health "scheme"?




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[Chris]

"Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:59 -0000, "Chris" >
> wrote:
>
>>$153 today in England which is better than my JAR class2 (no class 3s
>>anymore) at $250
>
> What happened to the National Health "scheme"?

These don't come under the NHS and nor should they. Its how doctors make
"nice little earners"

[GF McAuliffe]

I charge $75 in St. Cloud MN
"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.
>

[George Patterson]

Arnold Sten wrote:

> I paid $85.00 last March here in Central Pennsylvania (cold, hard cash,
> which I always find curious).

On average, insurance pays doctors about 85% of each claim. The paperwork
involved in dealing with the claims usually takes one full-time secretary to
deal with. A few doctors are trying to keep their costs and fees down by not
accepting insurance. Perhaps this is a variation on that theme.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Cub Driver]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:51:23 -0000, "Chris" >
wrote:

>> What happened to the National Health "scheme"?
>
>These don't come under the NHS and nor should they. Its how doctors make
>"nice little earners"

Does the NHS cover a typical physical exam?

Can the same doctor treat patients under the NHS and do aero-medical
exams for a (stiff) fee?



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[Margy]

Wiz wrote:
> Uhm, $140 in Washington, DC, and they got my social security number
> wrong, and lost my certificate and just typed out a new one that didn't
> match the number on the form on file at FAA, which I didn't find out
> until just before I was supposed to take my checkride, causing me to
> have to cancel, but you guys have heard this one before...
>
Jeez Wiz, who did you go to? I forget how much mine was, but it was
certainly under $100. In and out in a few minutes (plus time yaking to
the office person while she typed up the bill and a few minutes to say
hi to the cat).

Margy

[Jay Honeck]

>I charge $75 in St. Cloud MN

Do you make house calls?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Doc McAuliffe wrote:
>I charge $75 in St. Cloud MN

Jay H wrote:
>Do you make house calls?

>:-)

If he does, I'll tip him another $50.00(contingent upon my passing the
phy.). I'm in Virginia. :<)

[Chris]

"Cub Driver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:51:23 -0000, "Chris" >
> wrote:
>
>>> What happened to the National Health "scheme"?
>>
>>These don't come under the NHS and nor should they. Its how doctors make
>>"nice little earners"
>
> Does the NHS cover a typical physical exam?
>
> Can the same doctor treat patients under the NHS and do aero-medical
> exams for a (stiff) fee?

Yes if he has also qualified as an AME.

Some doctors have a contract to work for the NHS where the treatment is free
for patients at the point of delivery and they also have private practices
where patients can pay for treatment too. As long as the doctor delivers
his NHS contract what he does with the rest of his time and life is up to
him.

Some go fishing, some do aeromedicals and my next door neighbour who is a
family doctor ie is in a General Practice has a golf handicap of 3 or 4.

The guy who fixed my shoulder a couple of years ago, has a NHS contract and
two private practices and seems to work all hours of the day. But he is good
and probably very rich.

[xeM]

On 1 Dec 2005 21:04:46 -0800, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:

>How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
>I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
>thanks.


$93 - Houston, TX. - Yesterday, 3rd class.

[skym]

$120 in Jackson Hole, WY. Doc has propeller outside his office and on
the wall inside. Lots of flying memorabilia in the waiting room.
Needless to say, he's a pilot.

[Flyingmonk]

Thank you everyone for responding.

[Darrel Toepfer]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> How much did you last pay and where(what state) did get it done at?
> I'm just curious as to what people are paying around the country. Much
> thanks.

$80 4R7 (LA) Today... Plus $$ lab work... I think he went up, will have
to check the previous records...