Ideas for a commercial long x-c?

[Yossarian]

I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear some ideas for a
250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c requirement forr
the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past summer, so I was
thinking something more easterly.

I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and back, departing
Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at night and count
towards my 5 solo night hours.

[Jim Macklin]

Phoenix or Las Vegas, if the weather is good.


"Yossarian" > wrote in message
. 97.142...
|I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear
some ideas for a
| 250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c
requirement forr
| the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past
summer, so I was
| thinking something more easterly.
|
| I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and
back, departing
| Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at
night and count
| towards my 5 solo night hours.

[Flyingmonk]

I was gonna suggest LV also. Take a lot of quarters!

[Brien K. Meehan]

Yeah, do two different W&B worksheets. One for the amount of quarters
you'll be taking with you, and another for the amount you'll be taking
back!

[Yossarian]

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles
so it isn't far enough. Phoenix is 317 which is a little far... I'm
looking for something just over 250. I don't have charts for that area
yet, I gotta stop by the airport after work today.


Brien K. Meehan wrote:
> Yeah, do two different W&B worksheets. One for the amount of quarters
> you'll be taking with you, and another for the amount you'll be taking
> back!

[Jose]

> Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles
> so it isn't far enough.

So, land further away, and then come back to Las Vegas, if that's your goal.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Beckman]

"Yossarian" > wrote in message
. 97.142...
>I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear some ideas for a
> 250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c requirement forr
> the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past summer, so I was
> thinking something more easterly.
>
> I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and back, departing
> Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at night and count
> towards my 5 solo night hours.

Prescott, AZ (KPRC) ?

Not quite as far as Phoenix (but almost...)

Kingman, AZ is 231nm if flown direct but I bet you could bend your route
around some getting out of SoCal airspace and stretch it to 250.X ..

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Larry Dighera]

On 6 Dec 2005 08:54:40 -0800, "Yossarian" >
wrote in om>::

>Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles so it isn't far enough.

Mesquite (67L) is about the right distance*, and a nice, modern, well
lit field near a VORTAC (located between KLAS and St. George).

http://www.airnav.com/airport/67L

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0512/SW4TO.PDF
TAKE-OFF MINIMUMS AND (OBSTACLE) DEPARTURE PROCEDURES
MESQUITE, NV
MESQUITE
TAKE-OFF MINIMUMS: Rwy 1, 900-3, or std. with a min.
climb of 620' per NM to 2400.
DEPARTURE PROCEDURE: Rwy 1, climbing left turn,
Rwy 19, climbing right turn. All aircraft climb direct
MMM VORTAC. Aircraft departing MMM R-149 CW
R-220 climb on course. All others continue climb via
MMM R-196 to 6100 and reverse course to cross MMM
VORTAC at or above: R-221 CW R-270 and R-331 CW
R-060, 6100; R-271 CW R-330, 7300; R-061 CW
R-150, 8300.
24 NOV 2005 to 22 DEC 2005
24 NOV 2005 to 22 DEC 2005

* From KHHR- Jack Northrop Field/Hawthorne Municipal Airport
To 67L- Mesquite Airport:

272.6 nautical miles NE
Initial true course: 049

There won't be a full moon until the 15th:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.html

[[email protected]]

I thought cross country requirements were based on straight line
distance. I can wander around with the best of them, but that dosen't
count for cross country distance, does it?

John Stevens
Solo Student ~37 hours

[Jim Macklin]

Fly from Hawthorne to some new departure point west or
southwest and then go to Las Vegas.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
|I thought cross country requirements were based on straight
line
| distance. I can wander around with the best of them, but
that dosen't
| count for cross country distance, does it?
|
| John Stevens
| Solo Student ~37 hours
|

[BTIZ]

Try StGeorge UT...
when I did my long x-c for the commercial.. I launched from VGT and
"repositioned" to Mesquite NV. And started my "official" x-c from there.
Mesquite to SanDiego Gillespie field did the trick.

Maybe you can go south first.. land.. regroup and start your 250nm x-c from
the southern point to VGT or Mesquite or St George. Then return to
Hawthorne.

BT

"Yossarian" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles
> so it isn't far enough. Phoenix is 317 which is a little far... I'm
> looking for something just over 250. I don't have charts for that area
> yet, I gotta stop by the airport after work today.
>
>
> Brien K. Meehan wrote:
>> Yeah, do two different W&B worksheets. One for the amount of quarters
>> you'll be taking with you, and another for the amount you'll be taking
>> back!
>

[BTIZ]

> Kingman, AZ is 231nm if flown direct but I bet you could bend your route
> around some getting out of SoCal airspace and stretch it to 250.X ..
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ

Bending routes does not count... it is straight line distance.

otherwise I could go south, 100nm, east 50 nm and north 100nm and be maybe
50nm from home. Does not count.

BT

[DaveB]

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:55:24 -0600, Yossarian >
wrote:

>I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear some ideas for a
>250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c requirement forr
>the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past summer, so I was
>thinking something more easterly.
>
>I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and back, departing
>Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at night and count
>towards my 5 solo night hours.


Is Rose Aviation still there at Hawthorne??

Regards
Daveb

[Jay Beckman]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:5Grlf.21963$pF.6181@fed1read04...
>> Kingman, AZ is 231nm if flown direct but I bet you could bend your route
>> around some getting out of SoCal airspace and stretch it to 250.X ..
>>
>> Jay Beckman
>> PP-ASEL
>> Chandler, AZ
>
> Bending routes does not count... it is straight line distance.
>
> otherwise I could go south, 100nm, east 50 nm and north 100nm and be maybe
> 50nm from home. Does not count.
>
> BT

BT,

Thnx for the clarification.

Jay B

[Michelle P]

Sun-N-Fun and back. 1200 NM round trip. Thats what I used as mine....
Michelle

Yossarian wrote:

>I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear some ideas for a
>250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c requirement forr
>the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past summer, so I was
>thinking something more easterly.
>
>I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and back, departing
>Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at night and count
>towards my 5 solo night hours.
>
>

[Flyingmonk]

Yossarian wrote:
>Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles so it isn't far enough.

Add a few land marks in between that'll make the trip long enough and
more interesting, instead of flying direct. :<)

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
Michelle P > wrote:

> Sun-N-Fun and back. 1200 NM round trip. Thats what I used as mine....
> Michelle

White Plains to Key West, about 1100 miles each way.

[Flyingmonk]

Michelle wrote:
>Sun-N-Fun and back. 1200 NM round trip. Thats what I used as mine....
>Michelle

I think Lakeland, FL will be much much too long for his need. :<)

[Jim Macklin]

That doesn't work, you can reposition to a "departure point"
that is far enough away to meet the requirements. There is
nothing wrong with exceeding the 250 mile distance.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Yossarian wrote:
| >Unfortunately Las Vegas is only 203 miles so it isn't far
enough.
|
| Add a few land marks in between that'll make the trip long
enough and
| more interesting, instead of flying direct. :<)
|

[Mike Rapoport]

How about Tahoe?

Mike
MU-2


"Yossarian" > wrote in message
. 97.142...
>I fly out of Hawthorne CA (KHHR) and would like to hear some ideas for a
> 250-mile cross country. This is to fulfull the long x-c requirement forr
> the commercial license. I went up to Oakland this past summer, so I was
> thinking something more easterly.
>
> I'll be in a Cessna 172RG. I'm just going to fly out and back, departing
> Hawthorne in the afternoon so the return leg will be at night and count
> towards my 5 solo night hours.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> That doesn't work, you can reposition to a "departure point"
> that is far enough away to meet the requirements. There is
> nothing wrong with exceeding the 250 mile distance.


Absolutely. The 250 miles is a minimum, not the maximum. That's why I flew to
the Bahamas.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Jim Macklin]

Back in the old days of the late 60's-early 70's may
cross-country flights as a student included a non-stop from
Springfield, IL (KSPI) to Pittsburg, KS to see the Helio
factory.
Later, as a private pilot I flew from Springfield to
Newcastle, WY, this flight included about 5 hours at night.

Later, as an instructor working at Tulsa, I took my students
on a night cross-country from Tulsa to OKC.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" >
wrote in message
m...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > That doesn't work, you can reposition to a "departure
point"
| > that is far enough away to meet the requirements. There
is
| > nothing wrong with exceeding the 250 mile distance.
|
|
| Absolutely. The 250 miles is a minimum, not the maximum.
That's why I flew to
| the Bahamas.
|
|
|
| --
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN
|
|
|
|

[George Patterson]

Michelle P wrote:

> Sun-N-Fun and back. 1200 NM round trip. Thats what I used as mine....

If I ever get around to going for it, I'll use the flight back from Moultrie
when I picked up my Maule.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Michelle P]

He asked for suggestions not practical ones.... ;-)
I have actually been to Key West and back with the Maule. It was a slow
trip down head wind the whole way 8+ hours in the air.
Michelle

Flyingmonk wrote:

>Michelle wrote:
>
>
>>Sun-N-Fun and back. 1200 NM round trip. Thats what I used as mine....
>>Michelle
>>
>>
>
>I think Lakeland, FL will be much much too long for his need. :<)
>
>
>

[Flyingmonk]

Michelle wrote:
>He asked for suggestions not practical ones.... ;-)
>I have actually been to Key West and back with the Maule. It was a slow
>trip down head wind the whole way 8+ hours in the air.
>Michelle

My longest XC trip was from Manassas, VA to Richmond, VA and back at
night. Not at all as long as yours, but then I'm a renter and I really
can't afford to fly that much. Helicopters are expensive to rent.