One Six Right

[Paul Tomblin]

My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
about flying and the love of flying.

http://www.onesixright.com/

This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
get it and watch it.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the
instruments of tyranny at home." - James Madison

[Maule Driver]

Ordered it. Thanks.

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/
>
> This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
> and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
> get it and watch it.
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Ordered it. Thanks.

Me, too.

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom]

Add me to the list.


Tom

[Toks Desalu]

Me too!

Toks Desalu
PP-ASEL
"Dyin' to soar"

"Tom" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Add me to the list.
>
>
> Tom
>

[Montblack]

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/


Multiple copies - brothers' and sisters' families will be getting
onesixright. That was easy. List complete.

Trailer earlier this year sold me.


Montblack

[xeM]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:52:21 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

>My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
>it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
>about flying and the love of flying.
>

I've ordered mine. Can't wait to see it.

[Arnold Sten]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/
>
> This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
> and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
> get it and watch it.
>
My copy just arrived this afternoon. Unfortunately, I've only had time
to watch about the first ten minutes of it. But I can tell you that if
the rest of is anything like that beginning, it will be a sure hit with
everyone connected with aviation. I sure hope that people not associated
with aviation have a chance to see this masterpiece. It can go a long
way to enhance and improve the image of planes and airports.
Order yourself an early Christmas Present now!

[Wizard of Draws]

On 12/6/05 7:52 AM, in article , "Paul
Tomblin" > wrote:

> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/
>
> This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
> and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
> get it and watch it.

Got it. Tried to watch it with my 2 year old grandson who is already a plane
nut, see the bottom of this page and try to guess how long it took me to get
him out of that thing...
http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html

Unfortunately, he was too tired and the Sandman got to him pretty quickly as
he sat in my lap. Ah well, maybe this weekend he'll get to see the rest of
it.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

[[email protected]]

Just ordered mine . . . I have been watching the beautiful trailer for
a year . . . the breathtaking photography and music just carried me
away and lifted my spirit every time I felt a little down . . .
Thanks for the enthusiastic endorsement.


www.Rosspilot.com

[Adetokunbo Desalu]

My gift just came in the mail today. I am impressed with its service.
Unfortunately, I don't have time to watch it until this weekend. Should be
exciting!!
Toks Desalu

[Jon Kraus]

I watched the trailer again and finally ordered it today. I was having
an issue coming off the twenty-nine bucks for a DVD but I thought "for
something aviation related this isn't a bad deal".

Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching the whole thing.

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/
>
> This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
> and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
> get it and watch it.
>

[Bob Fry]

[First posted on r.a.misc]

First impressions after viewing the main picture and extra features.

It's quite professionally done, but ultimately it's not a flying or
aviation DVD, it's the history of Van Nuys Airport. Thus, unless
you're familiar with the airport--I'm not--it can be a little boring.

I found myself hitting the fast forward several times.

Was a little disappointed they didn't have night flying scenes. With
such a professional production they would have been great.

Unlike the trailer on the web, you won't find Enya's music in the DVD.

Is it worth the price, nearly $30 + shipping? Sure. Go ahead and
support an aviation movie. But I'm still waiting for the ultimate
flying video.

[[email protected]]

<<it's the history of Van Nuys Airport. Thus, unless
you're familiar with the airport--I'm not--it can be a little boring.
>>

Interesting. When I visited California about 10 years ago, I wanted to
rent a plane and fly so I went to Van Nuys to be checked out. The
check-pilot made me do so many landings in every configuration, plus
local airspace familiarization, that the checkride was just under 3
hours. I definitely felt he was bleeding me. When I (finally) got
signed off, I was too damn tired to rent and go flying, and I left LA 2
days later.

We used runway one six LEFT the whole time.

www.Rosspilot.com

[xxx]

wrote:
> <<it's the history of Van Nuys Airport. Thus, unless
> you're familiar with the airport--I'm not--it can be a little boring.
> >>
>
> Interesting. When I visited California about 10 years ago, I wanted to
> rent a plane and fly so I went to Van Nuys to be checked out. The
> check-pilot made me do so many landings in every configuration, plus
> local airspace familiarization, that the checkride was just under 3
> hours. I definitely felt he was bleeding me. When I (finally) got
> signed off, I was too damn tired to rent and go flying, and I left LA 2
> days later.
>
> We used runway one six LEFT the whole time.
>
> www.Rosspilot.com

Next time you're out here, try Whiteman (WHP). Much lower-key and
just four miles from VNY.

I was as rusty and sloppy as could be when I did a checkout there.
After just a little more than an hour, the instructor said I wasn't
a danger to myself or the airplane and signed me off.

[OP]

On 8 Dec 2005 04:47:11 -0800, "
> wrote:


>Interesting. When I visited California about 10 years ago, I wanted to
>rent a plane and fly so I went to Van Nuys to be checked out. The
>check-pilot made me do so many landings in every configuration, plus
>local airspace familiarization, that the checkride was just under 3
>hours. I definitely felt he was bleeding me. When I (finally) got
>signed off, I was too damn tired to rent and go flying, and I left LA 2
>days later.
>
>We used runway one six LEFT the whole time.

I think you were being jerked around too. I learned to fly at VNY
and still fly out of there. In all my training, checkouts, BFR's
etc, I only had one CFI stretch out a BFR beyond reasonable limits.
You just had the bad luck to get one on your first try. If you ever
get out here again, try the people at Van Nuys Flight Center at the
northwest end of the field. They are very professional and won't
jerk you around.

As far as flying off 16 Left, that much is normal for training and
practice landings. 16 Right can get pretty busy at times and with
the jet traffic, you can get delayed and slow your training. That
said, once you get checked out at any FBO on the west side of the
airport, you'll depart from 16 Right. Coming back in from the
North, West, or Southwest, 95% of the time you'll land on 16 Right.
It's only repetitive operations that get shifted over to 16 Left.

Ron

[Jay Honeck]

> I learned to fly at VNY
> and still fly out of there.

Our One Six Right DVD arrived yesterday, and neither of us could wait till
Christmas to open it! We set it up on the big-screen, fired up the Dolby
surround sound, sat back with a beer, and waited to be entertained...

We were not disappointed. The aerial footage in this movie is nothing short
of astounding, with angles and clarity that I've never seen before. I truly
regret not being able to see One Six Right at the theater, because the
experience (even compared with a good-sized 61" TV) would be overwhelming by
comparison.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I got choked up a couple of times, watching
this movie. The beauty and freedom of flight is so wondrous, and the
director managed to strike all the chords *just* right, capturing everything
I feel about flying. Best of all, they managed to deliver an entertaining,
informative package, which makes this video a great tool to use with
potential pilots.

Ron, you are truly blessed to be able to fly out of VNY. Just curious:
With all those big-dollar movie stars and directors hanging out, what has
that done to airport security? It's got to be tight as a drum -- yet they
showed a guy just wandering, unmolested, out to "the red line" with his
hand-held.

How about hangar rent? It must be astronomical...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tri-Pacer]

I learned to fly in the San Fernando Valley in the early 50's. I did stop
the DVD and run to get my first log book to see if I had rented any of the
planes that were shown when they flashed back to some of the earlier times.

When the ANG was flying P-51's out of Van Nuys a group of us would drain the
115-145 left in the hoses of the fuel trucks in the belief that it would
make our cars run faster.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A

[xxx]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> Ron, you are truly blessed to be able to fly out of VNY. Just curious:
> With all those big-dollar movie stars and directors hanging out, what has
> that done to airport security? It's got to be tight as a drum -- yet they
> showed a guy just wandering, unmolested, out to "the red line" with his
> hand-held.
>
> How about hangar rent? It must be astronomical...

I know you addressed it to a different Ron, but I will chime in anyhow.

Security is reasonably tight but no different than other busy GA
airports. To
get onto the ramp you just go through one of the FBO's. Out the back
door
and there you are, on the ramp.

Everything in this overgrown lunatic asylum (greater LA in general) is
astronomically expensive, at least from my Texas perspective, so it
would be surprising if hangars were not proportionally high.

[Jon Kraus]

I just got my DVD today and am a little disappointed with the
performance. The first chapter with the opening sequence is just a blank
screen and no matter what I do it will NOT play. Starting at chapter 2
it plays OK but the subtitles will not turn off no matter how many times
I select "sub-titles OFF". BUMMER!! I was looking forward to watching
it. I guess I'll send them an email and see if they'll send me a good one.

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
443H @ TYQ

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> My copy of the movie One Six Right just came last night and I've watched
> it twice already. Man, it's beautiful. Possibly the best movie ever made
> about flying and the love of flying.
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/
>
> This is an unsolicited testimonial - I don't have any connection to them,
> and I don't get anything for hyping it. I just think all pilots should
> get it and watch it.
>

[Javier Henderson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Ron, you are truly blessed to be able to fly out of VNY. Just curious:
> With all those big-dollar movie stars and directors hanging out, what has
> that done to airport security? It's got to be tight as a drum -- yet they
> showed a guy just wandering, unmolested, out to "the red line" with his
> hand-held.
>
> How about hangar rent? It must be astronomical...

I'm sure.

I've flown into VNY a number of times, and I'm always amazed at how well
the controllers deal with the huge amount of traffic.

A lot of the news and police helicopters are based there, tons of
corporate traffic, and of course a varied lot of spam cans with a great
spread of airspeeds. It all works out.

-jav

[OP]

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:11:51 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>
>Ron, you are truly blessed to be able to fly out of VNY. Just curious:
>With all those big-dollar movie stars and directors hanging out, what has
>that done to airport security? It's got to be tight as a drum -- yet they
>showed a guy just wandering, unmolested, out to "the red line" with his
>hand-held.
>
>How about hangar rent? It must be astronomical...

Airport security has changed a little (obviously after 9/11), but
not drastically. Entrance is controlled by the FBO's on field or
any business that fronts on the runways. In the case of Van Nuys
Flight Center, entrance after you leave the FBO is through a coded
gate. The only other change has been at Million Air FBO next door
to VNYFC... they tied solid canvas to the chain link fence that
surrounds their ramp to keep the paparatzi (sp?) from bothering
their "customers".

You can no longer just wander up to the red line. Even if you are
renting or have a plane there, the airport police will ask you
nicely to go back to your FBO/plane. There is however a great
viewing area that is shown in the DVD. That fronts on 16 Left where
most all of the training takes place.

As far as hangars go, I've never even asked. There is a waiting
list as you might imagine... probably measured in years. Judging by
hangar prices a Fullerton where my son keeps his Mooney. I would
venture a guess that rent at Van Nuys probably starts at $750 to
$1,000 a month. Undoubtedly more for hangars big enough for several
airplanes. Of course if you've got a Mustang and a J-3 and a Pitts,
you're not worried about a few thousand in hangar rent. :-)

All in all, VNY is a great place to fly from. The proximity to
mountains, desert and ocean make it ideal for just sightseeing as
well as a good jumping off place for the $100 hamburger.

It's busy to be sure, but the controllers work the field very well.
I encounter virtually no wait for 16 Right during the week, between
10:00 AM and 4:00 PM. Earlier or later, there is an increase in jet
traffic, but departure delays are no more than 5 or 6 minutes even
then. If you're landing, they just switch you to 16 Left and there
is no delay in getting down. You might have to wait a bit to cross
16 Right if your FBO is over there, but that's not too bad.
Weekends get a bit more busy due to an increase in student training.

Ron

[Morgans]

"Jon Kraus" > wrote

> I just got my DVD today and am a little disappointed with the
> performance. The first chapter with the opening sequence is just a blank
> screen and no matter what I do it will NOT play. Starting at chapter 2
> it plays OK but the subtitles will not turn off no matter how many times
> I select "sub-titles OFF". BUMMER!! I was looking forward to watching
> it. I guess I'll send them an email and see if they'll send me a good one.

How old is your VCR? I'll bet there is a "programming" compatibility issue
going on.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Beckman]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jon Kraus" > wrote
>
>> I just got my DVD today and am a little disappointed with the
>> performance. The first chapter with the opening sequence is just a blank
>> screen and no matter what I do it will NOT play. Starting at chapter 2
>> it plays OK but the subtitles will not turn off no matter how many times
>> I select "sub-titles OFF". BUMMER!! I was looking forward to watching
>> it. I guess I'll send them an email and see if they'll send me a good
>> one.
>
> How old is your VCR? I'll bet there is a "programming" compatibility
> issue
> going on.
> --
> Jim in NC

I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.

Don't know which way "One Six Right" is being mastered but you might try
contacting the production company to find out and then ask for the other
format.

Just a suggestion...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

[Montblack]

>> I just got my DVD today and am a little disappointed with the
>> performance.

("Morgans" wrote)
> How old is your VCR? I'll bet there is a "programming" compatibility
> issue
> going on.


Is that like - Hey, I can't get my 45's to play in my 8-track?

....or are you talking about a 'problem' running the DVD through the VCR?

....or at 1 am I need to cut you more slack, and you meant DVD? <g>


Montblack

[Jay Beckman]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yeah, that was what I was thinking. You said it better.
>
> I doubt that they can do the other format, though. They probably rendered
> a
> master, then had it mass-produced. I would say just go get another DVD
> player; he could treat himself, and help the economy. <g> They are so
> cheap
> now, it is amazing!
> --
> Jim in NC

Fortunately, the disc format is independant of the format on which they
mastered the final production. Disc mastering is simply a matter of
deciding which burner (-R or +R) to use. Mass duplication shops simply have
a rack or six of burners that just crank 'em out. I used to work in a
facility that (back in the days of VHS) had 16,000 VCRs on the duplication
floor and this place ran 24/7/360 so they could crank out a hell of a lot of
tapes in pretty short order.

I'd bet it's worth an email or a phone call. You might open their eyes to a
potential "tecno-trap" that they hadn't thought of. Especially since this
was a niche production on a relatively low budget.

Jay B

[Morgans]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote

> I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
> issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.
>
> Don't know which way "One Six Right" is being mastered but you might try
> contacting the production company to find out and then ask for the other
> format.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. You said it better.

I doubt that they can do the other format, though. They probably rendered a
master, then had it mass-produced. I would say just go get another DVD
player; he could treat himself, and help the economy. <g> They are so cheap
now, it is amazing!
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:tvQmf.8510$SG5.3459@fed1read01...
> I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
> issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.

For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.

[Jay Beckman]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:tvQmf.8510$SG5.3459@fed1read01...
>> I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
>> issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.
>
> For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
> expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.

It really depends on the sales numbers.

Duplication (ie burned) is less expensive for small runs (generally less
than a thousand discs or so...)

Replication only makes sense if you need to produce a high enough volume
where you can be an ongoing (ie profitable) project for a disc manufacturing
facility.

Neither process is perfect, it could just be a bad disc...it happens.

(Replicated DVDs are created by disc molding process itself.)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

[Morgans]

"Montblack" > wrote

> Is that like - Hey, I can't get my 45's to play in my 8-track?
>
> ...or are you talking about a 'problem' running the DVD through the VCR?
>
> ...or at 1 am I need to cut you more slack, and you meant DVD? <g>

Yes, more slack please. I think I may need to hang myself! ;-o
--
Jim in NC

[Jon Kraus]

My DVD player is a Pioneer Elite model DV-47Ai. It is only a year old
and it cost me $1500.00. It is supposed to play all formats of DVD, CD,
SACD and DVD-Audio disks so I doubt that it is the player. Next to my
airplane I spend tons of cash on home theater stuff. :-) I think I got
a bum disk. I just hope they make it right...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

Morgans wrote:
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote
>
>
>>I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
>>issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.
>>
>>Don't know which way "One Six Right" is being mastered but you might try
>>contacting the production company to find out and then ask for the other
>>format.
>
>
> Yeah, that was what I was thinking. You said it better.
>
> I doubt that they can do the other format, though. They probably rendered a
> master, then had it mass-produced. I would say just go get another DVD
> player; he could treat himself, and help the economy. <g> They are so cheap
> now, it is amazing!

[Jon Kraus]

Amen to that!!

Jon KRaus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

Peter Duniho wrote:

> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:tvQmf.8510$SG5.3459@fed1read01...
>
>>I'm wondering if maybe Jon's player is old enough to have a compatibility
>>issue with a disc that was burned as either a +R or a -R.
>
>
> For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
> expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.
>
>

[Flyingmonk]

Jon K wrote:
>My DVD player is a Pioneer Elite model DV-47Ai. It is only a year old
>and it cost me $1500.00. It is supposed to play all formats of DVD, CD,
>SACD and DVD-Audio disks so I doubt that it is the player.

You can always take that disk to CompUSA or WalMart and try it in one
of their players to make sure. I have four DVD players, two of them
where cheap Apex's, one is a cheap Orion and a Sony that is part of the
home theater system. The cheap ones played everything but the Sony was
choosey. It wouldn't play copies or it didn't play them well. I
called Sony's cust sup. and they had me take the cover off the Sony and
moved a jumper. It has played everything I fed it since. You might
want to try that.

The Sony was part of a $750.00 package.
The Orion was $39.00 from Costco.
One of Apex was $79.00, the other was came as a give-me/freebe with the
large screen TV.

[Flyingmonk]

Monty, you're a trip. LOL

[Jay Honeck]

> My DVD player is a Pioneer Elite model DV-47Ai. It is only a year old and
> it cost me $1500.00. It is supposed to play all formats of DVD, CD, SACD
> and DVD-Audio disks

You're NOT going to want to hear this, but...

....we bought DVD players for all the suites at the hotel. They play all
formats of DVD, CD, and MP3 files.

Cost: $18.00 apiece. (That is NOT a typo...)

:-)

The players now actually cost LESS than the DVDs!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:6HSmf.8522$SG5.812@fed1read01...
>> For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
>> expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.
>
> It really depends on the sales numbers.

That depends on whether you are the seller or the buyer. The buyer doesn't
give a crap about the sales numbers. He just wants a reliable DVD.

> Duplication (ie burned) is less expensive for small runs (generally less
> than a thousand discs or so...)
>
> Replication only makes sense if you need to produce a high enough volume
> where you can be an ongoing (ie profitable) project for a disc
> manufacturing facility.

You should reread what you wrote. Your second statement, while not entirely
inconsistent with the first, doesn't fill the HUGE gap left by the first.

I doubt these guys are less than 1000 units, but even if they are, they've
got no business charging $30 for a burned DVD.

> Neither process is perfect, it could just be a bad disc...it happens.

The proposed problem here has nothing to do with a manufacturing defect.
The question is whether an incompatible blank media was used for a burned
DVD. If the media is incompatible with the DVD player, then a perfectly
manufactured disc still won't work.

Nevermind the issue with respect to longevity of burned DVDs. There aren't
any solid figures on lifetime of data on a burned DVD, but it's pretty well
acknowledged that it's pretty short relative to the lifetime of a stamped
disc.

I know that if I ordered one of these DVDs, paying $30 for it, and it
arrived as a burned media, I would send it right back and demand a refund.
There's simply no excuse for something that expensive not being stamped. At
that price, the difference between burned and stamped is negligible.

Pete

[Jay Beckman]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:6HSmf.8522$SG5.812@fed1read01...
>>> For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
>>> expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.
>>
>> It really depends on the sales numbers.
>
> That depends on whether you are the seller or the buyer. The buyer
> doesn't give a crap about the sales numbers. He just wants a reliable
> DVD.

Correct on both counts. The seller wants to create his discs in as cost
effective a method as possible with as few defects as possible. The
duplicator wants to create as many discs without defects as possible because
he has to eat the rejects. Having worked in the duplication field, I can
tell you that a certain percentage of defects is expected. You work very
hard to get this number as low as possible but you won't eliminate it
completely. Video is an inexact science subject to glitches that may be
transient but can ruin an entire batch of product.

>> Duplication (ie burned) is less expensive for small runs (generally less
>> than a thousand discs or so...)
>>
>> Replication only makes sense if you need to produce a high enough volume
>> where you can be an ongoing (ie profitable) project for a disc
>> manufacturing facility.
>
> You should reread what you wrote. Your second statement, while not
> entirely inconsistent with the first, doesn't fill the HUGE gap left by
> the first.

I've got no idea what their initial sales projections were or what they're
actual sales numbers are. It's possible that they started with duplication
and changed over to replication once it became clear that sales numbers
would allow for it and still be profitable.

We used to start some VHS duplication projects with only 50 to 100 pieces at
a time recored in VCRs at real time. Then, if the order grew, we'd move to
using a high-speed duplication process that could dub a two-hour movie in
about 58 seconds but this incurred other costs (mastering stock, empty VHS
shells, blank VHS tape stock, labor, maintenance, etc.) that were ala carte
or buried vs just having it done with pre-loaded, blank VHS tapes.

As in indication of how narrow the profit margins were in duplication, we
used to have caniption fits if blank VHS shells went up $.01 in price. We
probably changed suppliers 10 times a year to avoid such price fluctuations.

> I doubt these guys are less than 1000 units, but even if they are, they've
> got no business charging $30 for a burned DVD.

They can charge whatever they think the market will bear. Also, as this was
pretty much a non-commercial venture, it's probably going to have to sell at
a higher price point to recoup the production costs.

>> Neither process is perfect, it could just be a bad disc...it happens.
>
> The proposed problem here has nothing to do with a manufacturing defect.
> The question is whether an incompatible blank media was used for a burned
> DVD. If the media is incompatible with the DVD player, then a perfectly
> manufactured disc still won't work.

That's why I also said it could just be a defective disc. Owing to Jon's
later reply, I now have no reason to believe that his DVD player is suspect
and I think he probably got a bad disc.

> Nevermind the issue with respect to longevity of burned DVDs. There
> aren't any solid figures on lifetime of data on a burned DVD, but it's
> pretty well acknowledged that it's pretty short relative to the lifetime
> of a stamped disc.

I'll take your word for it.

> I know that if I ordered one of these DVDs, paying $30 for it, and it
> arrived as a burned media, I would send it right back and demand a refund.

And if sending it back gives you satisfaction, then by all means do it.

> There's simply no excuse for something that expensive not being stamped.
> At that price, the difference between burned and stamped is negligible.

From what I've seen and read, it's a first-class piece of work done as a
labor of love by the producer with "some" help from corporate money but with
LA area technican's day rates and equipment rental costs being what they
are, it was probably not near enough to cover the costs incurred in it's
production.

If Santa brings me a copy, I plan to play the 1s and 0s off it ... don't
really care if was burned, stamped, pressed or made with a stylus and clay
tablets because IMO, it's a project well worth the support of the aviation
community.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

[Morgans]

"Jon Kraus" > wrote

> My DVD player is a Pioneer Elite model DV-47Ai. It is only a year old
> and it cost me $1500.00. It is supposed to play all formats of DVD, CD,
> SACD and DVD-Audio disks so I doubt that it is the player.

See, cheap is better! You have _too nice_ of a player! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:dv2nf.8567$SG5.2558@fed1read01...
> [...] Having worked in the duplication field, I can tell you that a
> certain percentage of defects is expected. You work very hard to get this
> number as low as possible but you won't eliminate it completely. Video is
> an inexact science subject to glitches that may be transient but can ruin
> an entire batch of product.

My comments have nothing to do with the defective disc scenario.

> [...]
>> I doubt these guys are less than 1000 units, but even if they are,
>> they've got no business charging $30 for a burned DVD.
>
> They can charge whatever they think the market will bear.

True, that's the heart of all capitalism. However, honorable capitalists
make an effort to provide a quality product as well.

> [...]
> That's why I also said it could just be a defective disc. Owing to Jon's
> later reply, I now have no reason to believe that his DVD player is
> suspect and I think he probably got a bad disc.

My comments have nothing to do with the defective disc scenario. Whether or
not Jon's disc is defective is entirely irrelevant to my comments. My
comments are strictly with respect to what a person has reason to expect
when buying a DVD. Burning a DVD is strictly for low-ball,
don't-care-if-it-lasts situations, as far as commercial release goes (the
home user making his own DVD, of course, has no other feasible option).

I don't even know whether this particular DVD was stamped or burned. It
doesn't really matter. My point is that IF IT IS BURNED, the price of $30
is way too high. I made the comment only in response to a suggestion that
Jon might be having a media type incompatibility issue. I personally
thought that theory unlikely at the outset, and for the very reason that at
$30 I would not expect the DVD to have been burned.

> [...]
> From what I've seen and read, it's a first-class piece of work done as a
> labor of love by the producer with "some" help from corporate money but
> with LA area technican's day rates and equipment rental costs being what
> they are, it was probably not near enough to cover the costs incurred in
> it's production.

Wonderful. So what?

> If Santa brings me a copy, I plan to play the 1s and 0s off it ... don't
> really care if was burned, stamped, pressed or made with a stylus and clay
> tablets because IMO, it's a project well worth the support of the aviation
> community.

Wonderful. So what?

If you want to donate $30 to the cause, that's fine. But that has nothing
to do with whether $30 is a reasonable price point for a burned DVD.

You seem to be very hung up on this particular DVD. My comments were not
about this particular DVD. They were simply an observation about the
likelihood of the DVD being burned, given the $30 price tag, and what I'd
think of the DVD if it DID turn out to be burned, based strictly on the
price tag. The contents of the DVD are irrelevant to my point.

Pete

[Jon Kraus]

I got the DVD to work correctly by screwing around with the player some.

To start with I was getting a totally blank screen for chapter one. To
correct this issue; I wait for the blank screen, then press the "pause"
button twice, then chapter 1 starts playing.

I was still getting the Subtitles that I could not get turned off from
the "settings" page menu of the DVD. In order to get this corrected I
had to press the "subtitles" button on the DVD remote, then a different
menu would come up for turning the Subtitles off. I selected "Subtitles
off" and off they went!!

I could now watch the entire DVD just the way I wanted to. It is funny
because I have never had to screw around with any other DVD to get them
to work properly in this machine.

As I read the thread I saw folks talking about the cheap DVD players
working fine so I tried the DVD in my $200 Toshiba player that was
regulated to the bedroom after purchasing the Pioneer, and it worked
perfectly!!

So as usual this group gave me some ideas to try that ended up working
and solving my problem. I am grateful to you all because I didn't want
to to go through the hassle of returning the thing. Thanks again!!

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ


Peter Duniho wrote:

> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:dv2nf.8567$SG5.2558@fed1read01...
>
>>[...] Having worked in the duplication field, I can tell you that a
>>certain percentage of defects is expected. You work very hard to get this
>>number as low as possible but you won't eliminate it completely. Video is
>>an inexact science subject to glitches that may be transient but can ruin
>>an entire batch of product.
>
>
> My comments have nothing to do with the defective disc scenario.
>
>
>>[...]
>>
>>>I doubt these guys are less than 1000 units, but even if they are,
>>>they've got no business charging $30 for a burned DVD.
>>
>>They can charge whatever they think the market will bear.
>
>
> True, that's the heart of all capitalism. However, honorable capitalists
> make an effort to provide a quality product as well.
>
>
>>[...]
>>That's why I also said it could just be a defective disc. Owing to Jon's
>>later reply, I now have no reason to believe that his DVD player is
>>suspect and I think he probably got a bad disc.
>
>
> My comments have nothing to do with the defective disc scenario. Whether or
> not Jon's disc is defective is entirely irrelevant to my comments. My
> comments are strictly with respect to what a person has reason to expect
> when buying a DVD. Burning a DVD is strictly for low-ball,
> don't-care-if-it-lasts situations, as far as commercial release goes (the
> home user making his own DVD, of course, has no other feasible option).
>
> I don't even know whether this particular DVD was stamped or burned. It
> doesn't really matter. My point is that IF IT IS BURNED, the price of $30
> is way too high. I made the comment only in response to a suggestion that
> Jon might be having a media type incompatibility issue. I personally
> thought that theory unlikely at the outset, and for the very reason that at
> $30 I would not expect the DVD to have been burned.
>
>
>>[...]
>>From what I've seen and read, it's a first-class piece of work done as a
>>labor of love by the producer with "some" help from corporate money but
>>with LA area technican's day rates and equipment rental costs being what
>>they are, it was probably not near enough to cover the costs incurred in
>>it's production.
>
>
> Wonderful. So what?
>
>
>>If Santa brings me a copy, I plan to play the 1s and 0s off it ... don't
>>really care if was burned, stamped, pressed or made with a stylus and clay
>>tablets because IMO, it's a project well worth the support of the aviation
>>community.
>
>
> Wonderful. So what?
>
> If you want to donate $30 to the cause, that's fine. But that has nothing
> to do with whether $30 is a reasonable price point for a burned DVD.
>
> You seem to be very hung up on this particular DVD. My comments were not
> about this particular DVD. They were simply an observation about the
> likelihood of the DVD being burned, given the $30 price tag, and what I'd
> think of the DVD if it DID turn out to be burned, based strictly on the
> price tag. The contents of the DVD are irrelevant to my point.
>
> Pete
>
>

[[email protected]]

I watched mine Sunday (which had arrived Saturday) on my big screen.

I don't think any film has conveyed the pure emotional joy of flight as
well, and I wish there was a way to get the DVD in front of the
mainstream, rather than just "the choir", who already love flying and
airports.

I was particularly pleased to see among the film's credits two of my
professional aerial photographer colleague's names . . . Mark Holtzman
of Los Angeles and Mark Remaley of Chicago. What a thrill it must be to
have one's work included in such a fine aviation film.


www.Rosspilot.com

[John Theune]

wrote:
> I watched mine Sunday (which had arrived Saturday) on my big screen.
>
> I don't think any film has conveyed the pure emotional joy of flight as
> well, and I wish there was a way to get the DVD in front of the
> mainstream, rather than just "the choir", who already love flying and
> airports.
>
> I was particularly pleased to see among the film's credits two of my
> professional aerial photographer colleague's names . . . Mark Holtzman
> of Los Angeles and Mark Remaley of Chicago. What a thrill it must be to
> have one's work included in such a fine aviation film.
>
>
> www.Rosspilot.com
>

I really liked the line in the credits

" No airplanes were hurt making this film"

John

[Jay Honeck]

>> I don't think any film has conveyed the pure emotional joy of flight as
>> well, and I wish there was a way to get the DVD in front of the
>> mainstream, rather than just "the choir"

My weak attempt to make this come true is to have the DVD available for
check-out at our front desk, free of charge.

Short of having it playing in every suite when the guests check in, it's the
best I can do!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Javier Henderson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> I don't think any film has conveyed the pure emotional joy of flight as
>>> well, and I wish there was a way to get the DVD in front of the
>>> mainstream, rather than just "the choir"
>
> My weak attempt to make this come true is to have the DVD available for
> check-out at our front desk, free of charge.
>
> Short of having it playing in every suite when the guests check in, it's the
> best I can do!

I suggested to Netflix that they carry it. Maybe if another 32,000 of
you did the same thing...

-jav

[Bob Chilcoat]

I've already asked them to. All the rest of you guys, get on them.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Javier Henderson" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>> I don't think any film has conveyed the pure emotional joy of flight as
>>>> well, and I wish there was a way to get the DVD in front of the
>>>> mainstream, rather than just "the choir"
>>
>> My weak attempt to make this come true is to have the DVD available for
>> check-out at our front desk, free of charge.
>>
>> Short of having it playing in every suite when the guests check in, it's
>> the
>> best I can do!
>
> I suggested to Netflix that they carry it. Maybe if another 32,000 of
> you did the same thing...
>
> -jav