Embraer Made Pathfinders?

[Jay Honeck]

Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!

See pix here:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q64323A4C

The original link is:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Embraer%20EMB-710%2F712%20Carioca%2FTupi&distinct_entry=true

Supposedly they are identical to the "real" deal, part for part. I wonder
what the legalities of installing Embraer-made parts on our Pathfinder would
be?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Supposedly they are identical to the "real" deal, part for part. I
wonder
what the legalities of installing Embraer-made parts on our Pathfinder
would
be?


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Other then needing to staple a green card onto the parts invoice when
you enter the repair into you log book, nothing..<G>

Merry Christmas to all you guys

Ben Haas
www.haaspowerair.com
Jackson Hole Wy

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:21:45 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
>aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
>Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!

snip

>Supposedly they are identical to the "real" deal, part for part. I wonder
>what the legalities of installing Embraer-made parts on our Pathfinder would
>be?

From the Type Certificate:

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/1c44fbdf0993df4686256f3c0044632a/$FILE/2A13.pdf

Manufacturer's Serial Nos. 28-10001 through 28-11378, and 28-7110001
through 28-7210023. The manufacturer is authorized to issue
airworthiness certificates for airplane serial numbers 28-11063,
28-11064, 28-11070, 28-11072 through 28-11378, and 28-7110001 through
28-7210023 under
the delegation option provisions of FAR 21. See NOTE 17 and 20.

NOTE 17 The following serial numbered aircraft are not eligible for
import certification to the U.S.:

NOTE 20 The following model and serial number aircraft are not
eligible for import certification to the U.S.:

My understanding is that unless your serial number is in the range
listed under the 235 category, it is not an FAA Type Certificated
aircraft.

If your serial number is listed under either note 17, or 20, it
definitely ain't.

With regard to parts, the majority of the replacement parts are only
"legal" because Piper (the US version) certified them. This of course
does not include standard hardware, PMA/STC'd replacements, etc.

The Embraer parts probably are for the most part identical, but lack
the OEM certification.

You're a sharp guy, I think you probably can come up with the "legal"
answer.

Regards;

TC

[Javier Henderson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
> aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
> Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!

Not at all uncommon. Skylanes and Skyhawks were made in France and
Argentina, for example.

-jav

[Dave Stadt]

"Javier Henderson" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> > Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
> > aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
> > Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!
>
> Not at all uncommon. Skylanes and Skyhawks were made in France and
> Argentina, for example.
>
> -jav

Continental engines were made in England by Rolls Royce and are type
accepted by the FAA to be used anywhere the Continental built engines are
used. It's kina neat opening the cowl and seeing the Rolls Royce rocker box
covers.

[Javier Henderson]

Dave Stadt wrote:
> "Javier Henderson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
>>> aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
>>> Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!
>> Not at all uncommon. Skylanes and Skyhawks were made in France and
>> Argentina, for example.
>
> Continental engines were made in England by Rolls Royce and are type
> accepted by the FAA to be used anywhere the Continental built engines are
> used. It's kina neat opening the cowl and seeing the Rolls Royce rocker box
> covers.

Wow.

I need a new set of rocker covers for the O-470R in my Skylane!

-jav

[Dave Stadt]

"Javier Henderson" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Stadt wrote:
> > "Javier Henderson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >>> Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
> >>> aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
> >>> Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!
> >> Not at all uncommon. Skylanes and Skyhawks were made in France and
> >> Argentina, for example.
> >
> > Continental engines were made in England by Rolls Royce and are type
> > accepted by the FAA to be used anywhere the Continental built engines
are
> > used. It's kina neat opening the cowl and seeing the Rolls Royce rocker
box
> > covers.
>
> Wow.
>
> I need a new set of rocker covers for the O-470R in my Skylane!
>
> -jav

RR made O-470s so the covers are around. I have seen a number of and own a
RR built O-200 but have not seen an O-470. BMW built Lycomings for the
European Market and they have BMW rocker box covers.

[Jay Honeck]

> BMW built Lycomings for the
> European Market and they have BMW rocker box covers.

Cool! They would be worth almost any price, just to see my A&P's face when
he de-cowled the engine...

Ebay, here I come!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Scott Skylane]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Imagine my surprise when I learned today that Embraer, the Brazilian
> aircraft manufacturer, built a licensed version of the Piper Cherokee
> Pathfinder, just like ours, until 1979!
/snip/

Well, not exactly. Those photos all show fixed pitch, 4 cylinder
"Cherokees", probably Archer clones.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[john smith]

> Supposedly they are identical to the "real" deal, part for part. I wonder
> what the legalities of installing Embraer-made parts on our Pathfinder would
> be?

Finding a mechanic in your area that can read Portugese?