Re: Another Cirrus Down

[Montblack]

("City Dweller" wrote)
> http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5777938.html


http://kstp.com/article/stories/S12721.html?cat=1
N-number crash scene photo

Chute deployed - possibly post impact? Unknown at this time.


Montblack

[Darkwing]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
.. .
> ("City Dweller" wrote)
>> http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5777938.html
>
>
> http://kstp.com/article/stories/S12721.html?cat=1
> N-number crash scene photo
>
> Chute deployed - possibly post impact? Unknown at this time.
>
>
> Montblack

Looking at the level of cockpit damage there really is no way the parachute
was deployed at a decent altitude, could have been after the fact. That
thing could of ran into a brickwall with the chute fully deployed and come
out looking better than that thing. Terrible deal.

--------------------------------------
DW

[Matt Whiting]

Darkwing wrote:

> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>("City Dweller" wrote)
>>
>>>http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5777938.html
>>
>>
>>http://kstp.com/article/stories/S12721.html?cat=1
>>N-number crash scene photo
>>
>>Chute deployed - possibly post impact? Unknown at this time.
>>
>>
>>Montblack
>
>
> Looking at the level of cockpit damage there really is no way the parachute
> was deployed at a decent altitude, could have been after the fact. That
> thing could of ran into a brickwall with the chute fully deployed and come
> out looking better than that thing. Terrible deal.

I agree. It is hard to fathom that much damage from a chute-assisted
descent.


Matt

[John Doe]

>>
>> Montblack
>
> Looking at the level of cockpit damage there really is no way the
> parachute was deployed at a decent altitude, could have been after the
> fact. That thing could of ran into a brickwall with the chute fully
> deployed and come out looking better than that thing. Terrible deal.

What's the min alt for the parachute system?

I'd best most pilots would get into the "I can save it" mentality until
they're too low to deploy the parachute, then, when they finally realize
that they can't recover or safely land the plane they pull the handle only
to get a partial deployment before impact.

Military has the same problems with ejections.

[Peter R.]

John Doe > wrote:

> I'd best most pilots would get into the "I can save it" mentality until
> they're too low to deploy the parachute, then, when they finally realize
> that they can't recover or safely land the plane they pull the handle only
> to get a partial deployment before impact.

This was one of the theories surrounding the fatal Cirrus spin crash in
upstate NY back in 2002, although the 'chute was still packed in the
burning aircraft when the police arrived.

--
Peter

[Mark Hansen]

On 12/15/2005 04:55, John Doe wrote:

>>>
>>> Montblack
>>
>> Looking at the level of cockpit damage there really is no way the
>> parachute was deployed at a decent altitude, could have been after the
>> fact. That thing could of ran into a brickwall with the chute fully
>> deployed and come out looking better than that thing. Terrible deal.
>
> What's the min alt for the parachute system?
>
> I'd best most pilots would get into the "I can save it" mentality until
> they're too low to deploy the parachute, then, when they finally realize
> that they can't recover or safely land the plane they pull the handle only
> to get a partial deployment before impact.
>
> Military has the same problems with ejections.
>

So ... premature ejections is not much of a problem in the military?

(I'm thinking more of the joke made in Airplane 2, so get your minds
out of the gutter ;-) )


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

[SR20GOER]

"Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/15/2005 04:55, John Doe wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Montblack
>>>
>>> Looking at the level of cockpit damage there really is no way the
>>> parachute was deployed at a decent altitude, could have been after the
>>> fact. That thing could of ran into a brickwall with the chute fully
>>> deployed and come out looking better than that thing. Terrible deal.
>>
>> What's the min alt for the parachute system?
>>
>> I'd best most pilots would get into the "I can save it" mentality until
>> they're too low to deploy the parachute, then, when they finally realize
>> that they can't recover or safely land the plane they pull the handle
>> only to get a partial deployment before impact.
>>
>> Military has the same problems with ejections.
>>
>
> So ... premature ejections is not much of a problem in the military?
>
> (I'm thinking more of the joke made in Airplane 2, so get your minds
> out of the gutter ;-) )
>
>
> --
> Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
> Sacramento, CA

I have been absent so just had a quick look thru this thread.
I fly SR20 and 22.
There is an emerging risk that began with Cirrus but is now moving to other
aircraft.
The glass cockpit technology, autopilot, twin GPS, etc CAN, and I emphasise
CAN but need not, lead pilots into entering conditions that would not be
entered without faith in the plane flying itself.
VMC into IMC is the most likely and this was mentioned at a recent seminar
here in Oz.
At 180 kts, and non-IFR, situational awareness can be lost very quickly.
This must be built into pilot training and conversion to glass cockpit.
Brian

[[email protected]]

A similar problem has been cited as a likely contributor in a couple
motor-glider accidents I've read about. The pilot waited too long to
decide to start the motor, and was too low to accomplish it by that
time.