Finding a flight instructor

[Tom]

Hello! I'm living in europe, but now I decided to take the step and
become a real pilot with everything and such. I want to travel to the
United States next summer and get some flight training there. I already
have some flight time (~40hrs) on C-152s, C-172 and some much more
powerful planes. Being a pilot also helps me with my career (I'm
working in aerospace). I don't want to go to a flight school but
instead pay a free instructor to teach me. But I couldn't find anything
on the net, I only found flight schools. Can someone here help me or
give me some advice? What I'm looking for is a free experienced
instructor (ex-military or active military pilot preferred) located
somewhere in the California, Nevada or New Mexico area. If he has it's
own high performance plane that would be even better.

Does anyone know where I can look for a suitable instructor? Or perhaps
someone already can recommend a instructor.

Tom

[Michael Ware]

I would suggest calling around to some local flying clubs to get some names.



"Tom" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hello! I'm living in europe, but now I decided to take the step and
> become a real pilot with everything and such. I want to travel to the
> United States next summer and get some flight training there. I already
> have some flight time (~40hrs) on C-152s, C-172 and some much more
> powerful planes. Being a pilot also helps me with my career (I'm
> working in aerospace). I don't want to go to a flight school but
> instead pay a free instructor to teach me. But I couldn't find anything
> on the net, I only found flight schools. Can someone here help me or
> give me some advice? What I'm looking for is a free experienced
> instructor (ex-military or active military pilot preferred) located
> somewhere in the California, Nevada or New Mexico area. If he has it's
> own high performance plane that would be even better.
>
> Does anyone know where I can look for a suitable instructor? Or perhaps
> someone already can recommend a instructor.
>
> Tom
>

[Tom]

Just calling around from europe is somewhat impractical. I even don't
know whom to call either ;-)

Tom

[zatatime]

On 18 Dec 2005 16:01:31 -0800, "Tom" > wrote:

>Just calling around from europe is somewhat impractical. I even don't
>know whom to call either ;-)
>
>Tom


Try AOPA, even if you aren't a member. 1 800 USA AOPA. Tell them what
you want to do and that you are looking for a list of flight schools.
They may help you out. At least then you'll have a list.

HTH.
z

[sfb]

Do some Yahoo or Google searches to find flight schools and try emailing
them.

"Tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Just calling around from europe is somewhat impractical. I even don't
> know whom to call either ;-)
>
> Tom
>

[Doug]

Florida seems to be the state of choice for europeans on a budget. You
can do it anywhere. The way things are USUALLY set up is there is an
FBO (fixed base operator). If you go to Airnav.com and click on an
airport there will be a list of FBO's and flight "schools". Most
instructors are rather independent and work by the hour. Get a school
with at least 4 planes and 4 instructors, that way you have some
choices. There are actual "schools" that teach "part 61" and have
official type curriculum. Avoid those. Find an instructor you like (one
you get along with) and schedule as much time as you need. With your 40
hours, you can probably get it done in another 40 hours. Make sure they
understand the foreign student requirement and any other issues you
have because you live in europe like license conversion.

[George Patterson]

zatatime wrote:

> Try AOPA, even if you aren't a member. 1 800 USA AOPA.

An 800 number isn't going to work from Europe. Log into their website at
http://www.aopa.org and take it from there. They do have an international
organization.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Sylvain]

zatatime wrote:
>>Just calling around from europe is somewhat impractical. I even don't
>>know whom to call either ;-)
> Try AOPA, even if you aren't a member. 1 800 USA AOPA. Tell them what
> you want to do and that you are looking for a list of flight schools.
> They may help you out. At least then you'll have a list.

then, when you have a more precise idea of where you'd like to
go, we'll be happy to comment on this or that flight school :-)

note that you might want to focus on flight schools with some
*recent* (as in, post 9/11) experience with training foreign
students; there is additional red tape to go through, and
you can save yourself a lot of trouble by picking the right
school in this regard (another thing to ask AOPA)

--Sylvain

[Tom]

I'll send AOPA an email. IIRC the service numbers don't work from
outside US. I wonder if they also answer to non-members.

Tom

[Tom]

I had some of my hrs in C-152s and C-172s at a flight school in
California. Before I went to them I searched the web with google and
mailed every flight school I could find. Most of them answered, but
honestly from most of them who answered I got the impression that the
main priority is my money. That's one reason I want to avoid flight
schools as much as possible and go with an independent instructor
instead.

Tom

[Tom]

Thanks for your help. But honestly Florida isn't where I want to go,
I'd prefer to find an instructor in the area of California, Nevada or
New Mexico. Money isn't an issue at all, I pay more if I get the
instruction I want, but I want to avoid the experience I made with my
last flight school (quite good instructor that now works for an airline
but shabby planes and a too much $$$-oriented way of working). I want
to get instructions in a high performance/complex airplane and also get
some spin training as well.

I had a look at the Airnav.com website but only could find a search
engine for airports. Am I missing something?

Tom

[Sylvain]

Tom wrote:
> Money isn't an issue at all,

if you introduce yourself like that, that might be the
reason why you found:

> ...a too much $$$-oriented way of working

:-))


I am based in Northern California and flying from
both Reid-Hillview (KRHV, near San Jose) and
Palo Alto (KPAO); in just these two airfields,
you already have quite a few choices of flight schools,
clubs and free-lance instructors...

--Sylvain

[Jim Macklin]

Good instructors deserve to be paid a proper wage. Good
airplanes are expensive and the maintenance for airplanes
used for training is expensive too.
You can find a list of approved flight schools on the FAA
web site, search by state. Don't ignore Arizona.

You can find free-lance instructors, but often you'll need
your own airplane (owned or leased).
High performance is over 200 HP and complex may have less HP
but requires the constant speed prop, retractable gear and
flaps.

http://www.beapilot.com/indexfl.html

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"Tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Thanks for your help. But honestly Florida isn't where I
want to go,
| I'd prefer to find an instructor in the area of
California, Nevada or
| New Mexico. Money isn't an issue at all, I pay more if I
get the
| instruction I want, but I want to avoid the experience I
made with my
| last flight school (quite good instructor that now works
for an airline
| but shabby planes and a too much $$$-oriented way of
working). I want
| to get instructions in a high performance/complex airplane
and also get
| some spin training as well.
|
| I had a look at the Airnav.com website but only could find
a search
| engine for airports. Am I missing something?
|
| Tom
|

[Jim Macklin]

http://www.nafinet.org/directory/flight_lookup.html

This is what you want. Search engine for CFI finding.




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message news:g5upf.29561$QW2.26864@dukeread08...
| Good instructors deserve to be paid a proper wage. Good
| airplanes are expensive and the maintenance for airplanes
| used for training is expensive too.
| You can find a list of approved flight schools on the FAA
| web site, search by state. Don't ignore Arizona.
|
| You can find free-lance instructors, but often you'll need
| your own airplane (owned or leased).
| High performance is over 200 HP and complex may have less
HP
| but requires the constant speed prop, retractable gear and
| flaps.
|
| http://www.beapilot.com/indexfl.html
|
| NAFI - National Association of Flight Instructors Flight
| Instructors - The official site for the National
Association
| of Flight Instructors (NAFI). This is the place to find
out
| more about being a part of a ...
| www.nafinet.org/ - 36k - Cached - Similar pages
|
|
| NAFI Tools Flight Instructors - The official site for the
| National Association of Flight Instructors (NAFI). This is
| the place to find out more about being a part of a ...
| www.nafinet.org/tools/ - 22k - Cached - Similar
| pages
|
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
|
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
|
|
|
| "Tom" > wrote in message
|
oups.com...
|| Thanks for your help. But honestly Florida isn't where I
| want to go,
|| I'd prefer to find an instructor in the area of
| California, Nevada or
|| New Mexico. Money isn't an issue at all, I pay more if I
| get the
|| instruction I want, but I want to avoid the experience I
| made with my
|| last flight school (quite good instructor that now works
| for an airline
|| but shabby planes and a too much $$$-oriented way of
| working). I want
|| to get instructions in a high performance/complex
airplane
| and also get
|| some spin training as well.
||
|| I had a look at the Airnav.com website but only could
find
| a search
|| engine for airports. Am I missing something?
||
|| Tom
||
|
|

[Doug]

For Airnav, click on the airport and the businesses associated with the
airport on at the botttom of the airport page.

[Stubby]

Tom wrote:
> I had some of my hrs in C-152s and C-172s at a flight school in
> California. Before I went to them I searched the web with google and
> mailed every flight school I could find. Most of them answered, but
> honestly from most of them who answered I got the impression that the
> main priority is my money. That's one reason I want to avoid flight
> schools as much as possible and go with an independent instructor
> instead.
>
> Tom
>
Find FBOs in your area of interest and look at their web pages. Most
list the price per hour for each of their planes and for instructors.
So you'll see "solo" or "dual" rates listed. I think you will be very
lucky to get free instuction. One of the advantages of becoming a CFI
is that you can charge for your time to help pay for food, etc.

[[email protected]]

Yes, you said CA, NV or NM... Colorado isn't near as hot during
the summertime... and the FBO I work with (I'm an independent
flight instructor) has 2-C152, 2-C172, 1-C182, 1-Piper Arrow.
So, I can do complex and high performance instruction, but not
in the same aircraft.

Mountain instruction and several local Designated Pilot Examiners
are available.

Did I say... small airport, get to the runway and FLY rather
than talk and taxi! Cheyenne, WY (Class D) and Denver (Class B)
are nearby.

Intense and condensed flight instruction is available, at your pace.

Did I say... glider flying is also available locally (I do both).

Did I say... taildragger instruction and rentals are available
nearby?

We are available in Colorado at:
Poudre Aviation, 2200 Airway Ave, Ft Collins, CO, 80524, USA
WEB: http://poudreaviation.com/ "Online Services" "New User"
WEB: http://users.frii.com/jer/ "MFAL: Mountain Flying Aviation"

In rec.aviation.student Tom > wrote:
> Thanks for your help. But honestly Florida isn't where I want to go,
> I'd prefer to find an instructor in the area of California, Nevada or
> New Mexico. Money isn't an issue at all, I pay more if I get the
> instruction I want, but I want to avoid the experience I made with my
> last flight school (quite good instructor that now works for an airline
> but shabby planes and a too much $$$-oriented way of working). I want
> to get instructions in a high performance/complex airplane and also get
> some spin training as well.

> I had a look at the Airnav.com website but only could find a search
> engine for airports. Am I missing something?

> Tom



Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction/mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 235 Young Eagles!

[Tom]

> I am based in Northern California and flying from
> both Reid-Hillview (KRHV, near San Jose)

I know RHV (the flight school I attended was located there).

> and
> Palo Alto (KPAO); in just these two airfields,
> you already have quite a few choices of flight schools,
> clubs and free-lance instructors...

Right, but since I'm several thousands of miles away I thought I'd ask,
maybe I get some recommendations ;-)

Tom

[Tom]

> Yes, you said CA, NV or NM... Colorado isn't near as hot during
> the summertime...

Thanks for the tip. One reason why I prefer CA, NV or NM is that I can
combine the time in the US with my job, and I have some
friends/colleagues there that I want to visit.

Tom

[Tom]

> > Money isn't an issue at all,
>
> if you introduce yourself like that, that might be the
> reason why you found:
>
> ...a too much $$$-oriented way of working

Of course I didn't tell them that. But still got the impression that
they tried to pull a fast one on me. I have no problem to pay good
money for flight instruction, but for the money I expect to receive
good instructions. I usually get a bit suspicious when I get offered
"the super package" or "great deal" or "big $$$ savings" or other
marketing thingies, I prefer doing business straight, clear and
honest.

Tom

[Tom]

> then, when you have a more precise idea of where you'd like to
> go, we'll be happy to comment on this or that flight school :-)

Honestly, I was hoping for some direct recommendations, here or even
per mail. Something like "hey, I know this guy who was an ex-military
pilot and also happens to be a CFI" ;-)

But nevertheless the tips I got are a great help, at least they give me
some further ways to dig around ;-)

> note that you might want to focus on flight schools with some
> *recent* (as in, post 9/11) experience with training foreign
> students; there is additional red tape to go through, and
> you can save yourself a lot of trouble by picking the right
> school in this regard (another thing to ask AOPA)

I already read about the new "procedures" to prevent terrorism. That's
one reason I'm asking now because I have to request my student visa and
everything other that's necessary.

Tom

[Jim Macklin]

You just included several distractions into your training
program that will increase the training time.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|> Yes, you said CA, NV or NM... Colorado isn't near as hot
during
| > the summertime...
|
| Thanks for the tip. One reason why I prefer CA, NV or NM
is that I can
| combine the time in the US with my job, and I have some
| friends/colleagues there that I want to visit.
|
| Tom
|

[George Patterson]

Tom wrote:

> I had a look at the Airnav.com website but only could find a search
> engine for airports. Am I missing something?

Try the databases at http://www.landings.com . You can get listings of many of
the schools by State. I doubt the listing is complete, but there's lots of good
stuff there.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Highflyer]

You might check out one of the specialty schools, like the "Top Gun" schools
that teach you dogfighting and aerobatics in T34's or other ex military
aircraft.

We have a fellow near us who gives dual in his Stearman. It is legally a
"high performance" aircraft. His has a 300 HP Lycoming for power. Of
course its "high performance" is still 90 mph! :-) But then, it is really a
blast to fly ...

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

"Tom" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hello! I'm living in europe, but now I decided to take the step and
> become a real pilot with everything and such. I want to travel to the
> United States next summer and get some flight training there. I already
> have some flight time (~40hrs) on C-152s, C-172 and some much more
> powerful planes. Being a pilot also helps me with my career (I'm
> working in aerospace). I don't want to go to a flight school but
> instead pay a free instructor to teach me. But I couldn't find anything
> on the net, I only found flight schools. Can someone here help me or
> give me some advice? What I'm looking for is a free experienced
> instructor (ex-military or active military pilot preferred) located
> somewhere in the California, Nevada or New Mexico area. If he has it's
> own high performance plane that would be even better.
>
> Does anyone know where I can look for a suitable instructor? Or perhaps
> someone already can recommend a instructor.
>
> Tom
>

[[email protected]]

As a CFI, I thought I'd throw my .02 in here. I assume Tom means
"independent" when he says "free instructor." I doubt you'd find an
instructor to fly for free... You can't go wrong weather-wise if you
train in the southwest. Biggest issue is the heat if you're going to be
training during the summer. Get out early in the morning before the
temps reach triple digits and/or fly in the early evening (or both if
you're REALLY motivated, but don't burn yourself out).

As far as training in high-performance & complex aircraft - that will
wait until you have the PPL. There's no sense in complicating the
process (and spending more $$) by getting into a 182 or Arrow before
you've got your license. IMO you can't beat a Warrior or 172 for a
primary trainer. The reality is no flight school will rent a high
performance or complex acft to a brandy-new pilot until the minimum
flight hours and HP/complex time requirements have been met (insurance
mandates)

Dogfighting and aerobatics in T34s and Stearmans are fun but the point
here is to get the PPL finished in a reasonable amount of time without
breaking the bank.

Wooly

[Tom]

Hello Wooly,

> As a CFI, I thought I'd throw my .02 in here. I assume Tom means
> "independent" when he says "free instructor."

Exactly. Holy ****, now I realize that I made a mistake by writing
"free" instead of "independent". So everybody here probably thinks I'm
looking for free (means: at no cost) instruction. No, that's definitely
not what I want. I really want an independent instructor who is not
bound to a flight school .

Sorry for the confusion, my english isn't too god at all.

> I doubt you'd find an
> instructor to fly for free...

Certainly not. But even if there would be one I doubt that it would be
worth it for both sides.

> You can't go wrong weather-wise if you
> train in the southwest. Biggest issue is the heat if you're going to be
> training during the summer. Get out early in the morning before the
> temps reach triple digits and/or fly in the early evening (or both if
> you're REALLY motivated, but don't burn yourself out).

That's no problem, I know the heat thing from the time I had in CA on a
flight school.

> As far as training in high-performance & complex aircraft - that will
> wait until you have the PPL. There's no sense in complicating the
> process (and spending more $$) by getting into a 182 or Arrow before
> you've got your license. IMO you can't beat a Warrior or 172 for a
> primary trainer. The reality is no flight school will rent a high
> performance or complex acft to a brandy-new pilot until the minimum
> flight hours and HP/complex time requirements have been met (insurance
> mandates)

When I was in CA I flew with C-152 and C-172 on the first day, and
after the second day we moved to a PA-28 Arrow II for most part of the
remaining instruction (and a PA-34 Seneca for the other part). The
instructor was quite good, the school was not. I know that it's
difficult to find high performance/complex airplanes to rent for
not-yet pilots, but I'd be ready to pay a bit more per hr because so I
not only get instructions and regular flying hours but also
complex/high performance time which I had to build up separately
otherwise.

That's another reason why I think an independent instructor would be
better for me, because this would allow us to get planes from
everywhere and not only what the flight school offers.

> Dogfighting and aerobatics in T34s and Stearmans are fun but the point
> here is to get the PPL finished in a reasonable amount of time without
> breaking the bank.

Right, and due to the accidents that happened in these dog fight
"schools" (especially with the T-34) I don't have too much trust in
them. It looks more like huge videogame in real-life for people that
had a overdose of the "Top Gun" movie. I'd prefer a ex-military
instructor because of his experience, not because I want to play dog
fights in the air.

Tom

[Tom]

> You just included several distractions into your training
> program that will increase the training time.

I don't think so. It's not that I would have to work hard or long, or
that it is time consuming or exhausting, and I can schedule my work
time as I want :-)

Tom

[Tom]

> http://www.nafinet.org/directory/flight_lookup.html
>
> This is what you want. Search engine for CFI finding.

Thank you very much! That's really helpful!

Tom

[Jim Macklin]

Freelance= independent, so you were not to far away from the
correct English words.

Some military pilots have no experience outside the
military. Look for a CFI with experience as a 135 charter
pilot and as many other areas of aviation as you can.
Military pilots from the 40 and early 50s learned in Cubs
and Stearmans. Recent military pilots may have never flown
off grass, some can't even find a grass strip. Military
pilots are trained very well to do what they do, you may
want to elect several different CFIs as you progress in your
training. The CFI who is great in your private training may
not have any mountain experience or have flown in cold
weather. Some CFIs fly only to get the hours needed for the
right seat in a 737, others fly because they love airplanes
and like to teach. All CFIs pass the tests, but the test
are minimums and all pilots and CFI are not created the
same. Bottom line, find someone you get along with because
it is a lot like getting married without the sex.


--
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Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Hello Wooly,
|
| > As a CFI, I thought I'd throw my .02 in here. I assume
Tom means
| > "independent" when he says "free instructor."
|
| Exactly. Holy ****, now I realize that I made a mistake by
writing
| "free" instead of "independent". So everybody here
probably thinks I'm
| looking for free (means: at no cost) instruction. No,
that's definitely
| not what I want. I really want an independent instructor
who is not
| bound to a flight school .
|
| Sorry for the confusion, my english isn't too god at all.
|
| > I doubt you'd find an
| > instructor to fly for free...
|
| Certainly not. But even if there would be one I doubt that
it would be
| worth it for both sides.
|
| > You can't go wrong weather-wise if you
| > train in the southwest. Biggest issue is the heat if
you're going to be
| > training during the summer. Get out early in the morning
before the
| > temps reach triple digits and/or fly in the early
evening (or both if
| > you're REALLY motivated, but don't burn yourself out).
|
| That's no problem, I know the heat thing from the time I
had in CA on a
| flight school.
|
| > As far as training in high-performance & complex
aircraft - that will
| > wait until you have the PPL. There's no sense in
complicating the
| > process (and spending more $$) by getting into a 182 or
Arrow before
| > you've got your license. IMO you can't beat a Warrior or
172 for a
| > primary trainer. The reality is no flight school will
rent a high
| > performance or complex acft to a brandy-new pilot until
the minimum
| > flight hours and HP/complex time requirements have been
met (insurance
| > mandates)
|
| When I was in CA I flew with C-152 and C-172 on the first
day, and
| after the second day we moved to a PA-28 Arrow II for most
part of the
| remaining instruction (and a PA-34 Seneca for the other
part). The
| instructor was quite good, the school was not. I know that
it's
| difficult to find high performance/complex airplanes to
rent for
| not-yet pilots, but I'd be ready to pay a bit more per hr
because so I
| not only get instructions and regular flying hours but
also
| complex/high performance time which I had to build up
separately
| otherwise.
|
| That's another reason why I think an independent
instructor would be
| better for me, because this would allow us to get planes
from
| everywhere and not only what the flight school offers.
|
| > Dogfighting and aerobatics in T34s and Stearmans are fun
but the point
| > here is to get the PPL finished in a reasonable amount
of time without
| > breaking the bank.
|
| Right, and due to the accidents that happened in these dog
fight
| "schools" (especially with the T-34) I don't have too
much trust in
| them. It looks more like huge videogame in real-life for
people that
| had a overdose of the "Top Gun" movie. I'd prefer a
ex-military
| instructor because of his experience, not because I want
to play dog
| fights in the air.
|
| Tom
|

[Jim Macklin]

I have instructed many students, some had lots of money, but
the ones who did the best in training concentrated on the
flying and did not have business or personal distractions
[social engagements and phone calls] to take up their time.
Not that you can't overcome those distractions, but you will
certainly spend extra time and money because of them.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|> You just included several distractions into your training
| > program that will increase the training time.
|
| I don't think so. It's not that I would have to work hard
or long, or
| that it is time consuming or exhausting, and I can
schedule my work
| time as I want :-)
|
| Tom
|

[Jim Macklin]

Not all instructor are listed there, but it is a start find
those "holding out" for students.


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Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Tom" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|> http://www.nafinet.org/directory/flight_lookup.html
| >
| > This is what you want. Search engine for CFI finding.
|
| Thank you very much! That's really helpful!
|
| Tom
|

[Sylvain]

Tom wrote:
> That's no problem, I know the heat thing from the time I had in CA on a
> flight school.

I thought you said you went to northern California (Reid-Hillview
as a matter of fact); in that case, believe me, you don't
know what the heat thing is yet :-) (it can get a lot worse than
that)

> That's another reason why I think an independent instructor would be
> better for me, because this would allow us to get planes from
> everywhere and not only what the flight school offers.

you can find free-lance instructors who operate from multiple clubs
in the Bay Area (the place you already know); I suppose it is not
uncommon.

--Sylvain

[zatatime]

On 21 Dec 2005 15:14:32 -0800, "Tom" > wrote:

>Right, and due to the accidents that happened in these dog fight
>"schools" (especially with the T-34) I don't have too much trust in
>them. It looks more like huge videogame in real-life for people that
>had a overdose of the "Top Gun" movie.

I think you're headed in the right direction. If you find an old
codger out there without a military background, don't pass him by just
because of that.

z

[Al]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:%1mqf.30258$QW2.18365@dukeread08...
>I have instructed many students, some had lots of money, but
> the ones who did the best in training concentrated on the
> flying and did not have business or personal distractions
> [social engagements and phone calls] to take up their time.
> Not that you can't overcome those distractions, but you will
> certainly spend extra time and money because of them.
>
>
> --
> James H. Macklin
> ATP,CFI,A&P
>
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> |> You just included several distractions into your training
> | > program that will increase the training time.
> |
> | I don't think so. It's not that I would have to work hard
> or long, or
> | that it is time consuming or exhausting, and I can
> schedule my work
> | time as I want :-)
> |
> | Tom
> |
>

This is a true statement. As a 25+ year flight instructor, I second
this.

The people I've trained who did best, also quickest, and certainly
cheapest, did it by emersion. They took vacation, shifted responsibilities
to someone for a while, and practically moved onto the airport.

Al CFIAMI

[Robert M. Gary]

CAP instructors are all free to CAP members. I think that's why they
think its pretty impressive when a CFI with 100 hours of dual joins! :)

-Robert

[Jack]

Al wrote:

> The people I've trained who did best, also quickest, and certainly
> cheapest, did it by emersion. They took vacation, shifted responsibilities
> to someone for a while, and practically moved onto the airport.

Which ones were the best 24 months after they got their ticket?


Jack

[Darrel Toepfer]

Tom wrote:
> I don't want to go to a flight school but
> instead pay a free instructor to teach me.

I've got a CFI like that, couple stuffed deboned chickens and the
occasional boudin or smoked sausage and he's happy...

[Darrel Toepfer]

Tom wrote:
> Thanks for your help. But honestly Florida isn't where I want to go,
> I'd prefer to find an instructor in the area of California, Nevada or
> New Mexico. *Money isn't an issue at all*, I pay more if I get the
> instruction I want, but I want to avoid the experience I made with my
> last flight school (quite good instructor that now works for an airline
> but shabby planes and a too much $$$-oriented way of working). I want
> to get instructions in a high performance/complex airplane and also get
> some spin training as well.

Buy your own plane while your here, instructors are alot easier to find
that way, sell it when your done...

[Sylvain]

Darrel Toepfer wrote:
> Buy your own plane while your here, instructors are alot easier to find
> that way, sell it when your done...

snag: 14 CFR 47.7

--Sylvain

[Darrel Toepfer]

Sylvain wrote:
> Darrel Toepfer wrote:
>> Buy your own plane while your here, instructors are alot easier to
>> find that way, sell it when your done...
>
> snag: 14 CFR 47.7

*Money isn't an issue at all*

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> Darrel Toepfer wrote:
>> Buy your own plane while your here, instructors are alot easier to find
>> that way, sell it when your done...
>
> snag: 14 CFR 47.7
>
> --Sylvain


Create a Corp.

[Jim Macklin]

Sec. 47.7 United States citizens and resident aliens.

(a) U.S. citizens. An applicant for aircraft
registration under this
part who is a U.S. citizen must certify to this in the
application.
(b) Resident aliens. An applicant for aircraft
registration under
section 501(b)(1)(A)(i) of the Act who is a resident alien
must furnish
a representation of permanent residence and the applicant's
alien
registration number issued by the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service.
...snip

Still, you will need to comply and also meet the new TSA
rules before even a freelance CFI can tech you in your own
airplane.

--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
| Darrel Toepfer wrote:
| > Buy your own plane while your here, instructors are alot
easier to find
| > that way, sell it when your done...
|
| snag: 14 CFR 47.7
|
| --Sylvain

[George Patterson]

Jack wrote:
> Al wrote:
>
>> The people I've trained who did best, also quickest, and certainly
>> cheapest, did it by emersion. They took vacation, shifted
>> responsibilities to someone for a while, and practically moved onto
>> the airport.
>
> Which ones were the best 24 months after they got their ticket?

IME, the ones that did it by immersion. For one thing, they were incredibly
dedicated people and tended to fly a lot after they got their tickets.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[[email protected]]

> >> The people I've trained who did best, also quickest, and certainly
> >> cheapest, did it by emersion. They took vacation, shifted
> >> responsibilities to someone for a while, and practically moved onto
> >> the airport.

> > Which ones were the best 24 months after they got their ticket?

> George Patterson says:
> IME, the ones that did it by immersion. For one thing, they were incredibly
> dedicated people and tended to fly a lot after they got their tickets.

My experience was just the opposite. Of the 10 "immersion" folks I
worked with for IPC or currency after the fact, all 10 were sadly
behind on the FARs as they applied to IFR and their situational
awareness seemed to take a long time to come up to speed. They
obviously were sharp enough to pass the instrument checkride, but it
did not stay with them. The things they did "normally" they could
do, but a different departure or arrival procedure, seemed to throw
them out of their comfort zone enough to reduce their situational
awareness.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction/mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer<at>frii.com http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 235 Young Eagles!

[Tom]

> Sec. 47.7 United States citizens and resident aliens.
>
> (a) U.S. citizens. An applicant for aircraft
> registration under this
> part who is a U.S. citizen must certify to this in the
> application.
> (b) Resident aliens. An applicant for aircraft
> registration under
> section 501(b)(1)(A)(i) of the Act who is a resident alien
> must furnish
> a representation of permanent residence and the applicant's
> alien
> registration number issued by the Immigration and
> Naturalization
> Service.
> ...snip

Well, that wouldn't be too much of a problem because I know someone who
lives in the US and probably would register an airplane for me. But
even if I have some founds for flight instruction it's probably not
enough to buy a nice training airplane (especially if it has to be
complex/high performance) in a condition that doesn't make you afraid
when entering the thing.

> Still, you will need to comply and also meet the new TSA
> rules before even a freelance CFI can tech you in your own
> airplane.

I learned about the new TSA rules. But I don't expect any problems to
fullfil them.

Happy New Year!

Tom

[Tom]

>> Right, and due to the accidents that happened in these dog fight
>> "schools" (especially with the T-34) I don't have too much trust in
>> them. It looks more like huge videogame in real-life for people that
>> had a overdose of the "Top Gun" movie.
>
> I think you're headed in the right direction.

Well, I want to fly and not playing jeopardy with my life. Besides
that, I simply find it silly playing "Top Gun" in the air in old
airplanes that probably have been overstressed several times which a
high probability of suffering from a structural failure.

> If you find an old
> codger out there without a military background, don't pass him by just
> because of that.

Certainly not. But the reason I would prefer a military pilot is that I
can benefit from his experience the same way as say a student who aimes
at ATPL could benefit from the experience of an airline captain. As I
said getting flight instructions is not only there for pleasure (of
course it's a very big part pleasure also since I really love flying!)
but also a benefit for my job. Sorry that I can't go too deep into
details but I probably won't spend that much hours in a Cessna or Piper
after I have a CPL certificate (which is my final goal).

Happy New Year!

Tom

[Tom]

> I have instructed many students, some had lots of money, but
> the ones who did the best in training concentrated on the
> flying and did not have business or personal distractions
> [social engagements and phone calls] to take up their time.
> Not that you can't overcome those distractions, but you will
> certainly spend extra time and money because of them.

Well, it's not this type of work (it's mainly appearing some and then
in the office and say hello). And it's definitely not that type of work
that requires you to carry the mobile everywhere you go just to be
available. I know what workload I have to expect from flight
intstruction, and I'm very sure that my work isn't any negative
influence at all.

Happy New Year!

Tom

[Tom]

> I've got a CFI like that, couple stuffed deboned chickens and the
> occasional boudin or smoked sausage and he's happy...

Really? Can you send me an email with a few details (location,
experience, what kind of guy he is etc. my email address is valid)? I
tried to mail you but the mail bounces.

Happy New Year!

Tom

[[email protected]]

There is an FBO ratings thing at:
aviationist.com/co.php

if people rated their FBO's it'd be more useful.


Tom wrote:
> Hello! I'm living in europe, but now I decided to take the step and
> become a real pilot with everything and such. I want to travel to the
> United States next summer and get some flight training there. I already
> have some flight time (~40hrs) on C-152s, C-172 and some much more
> powerful planes. Being a pilot also helps me with my career (I'm
> working in aerospace). I don't want to go to a flight school but
> instead pay a free instructor to teach me. But I couldn't find anything
> on the net, I only found flight schools. Can someone here help me or
> give me some advice? What I'm looking for is a free experienced
> instructor (ex-military or active military pilot preferred) located
> somewhere in the California, Nevada or New Mexico area. If he has it's
> own high performance plane that would be even better.
>
> Does anyone know where I can look for a suitable instructor? Or perhaps
> someone already can recommend a instructor.
>
> Tom
>

[Al]

The ones who continued to fly. Al


"Jack" > wrote in message
. com...
> Al wrote:
>
>> The people I've trained who did best, also quickest, and certainly
>> cheapest, did it by emersion. They took vacation, shifted
>> responsibilities to someone for a while, and practically moved onto the
>> airport.
>
> Which ones were the best 24 months after they got their ticket?
>
>
> Jack