Within three posts....

[Casey Wilson]

.....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
political blather.

How rude! It's no record, you've done it to the majority of topics raised
on this forum.

GET A LIFE!!!

TAKE IT TO A POLITICAL FORUM!!

GO FLY!!!

Sheesh....

[Peter Duniho]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5gZqf.310$X86.122@trnddc04...
> ....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
> political blather.

Maybe you should reinstall Outlook Express, seeing as how your copy of it is
so broken that you aren't able to junk a thread.

[Stubby]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5gZqf.310$X86.122@trnddc04...
>
>>....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
>>political blather.
>
>
> Maybe you should reinstall Outlook Express, seeing as how your copy of it is
> so broken that you aren't able to junk a thread.
>
>
Blame the victum, eh.

[Peter Duniho]

"Stubby" > wrote in message
. ..
> Blame the victum, eh.

Victim? Who's a victim here? How have they been victimized? What have
they lost? How have they been harmed?

[Dudley Henriques]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5gZqf.310$X86.122@trnddc04...
>> ....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
>> political blather.
>
> Maybe you should reinstall Outlook Express, seeing as how your copy of it
> is so broken that you aren't able to junk a thread.

I don't post to you very often for obvious reasons, but I'll suggest to you
that the man has a point. In fact, I was going to post something similar and
decided at the last second because of the people involved I'd pass on it.
The problem isn't "junking the thread". The problem is that this thread
creeped into a political bash and in doing so, left the stated purpose of
the group, which I believe is aviation and not politics.
I've seen several fine newsgroups destroyed in this manner and I'm sure that
you along with the others who enjoy this group wouldn't like to see that
happen here.
You personally were not the culprit in this case, but you helped establish
the "mood" for what the poster you have answered so bluntly tried to
express. You simply used an unnecessary political analogy that was of course
picked up by the next poster under you. it was this that established the
creep, and the thread ran away with it; completely off topic and of course
devoted from that point on with political opinion and bashing.
Just so you understand where I'm coming from personally on this, I'll tell
you that I'm not the Internet Police, and if you people want to bash away
with your political opinions on this aviation group, so be it. I'm not the
least bit bothered by it, nor am I disturbed in any way.
Its YOUR newsgroup. I'm only passing on my observations to those who might
not desire that this group be lost to political agenda based dialog.
What you folks do here is your business. FWIW, I strongly suggest that all
of you take a step back and think for a moment before you use political
comment on your newsgroup. I'd not like to see this group go the way of so
many others on Usenet.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

[Marc CYBW]

Amen

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5gZqf.310$X86.122@trnddc04...
>>> ....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
>>> political blather.
>>
>> Maybe you should reinstall Outlook Express, seeing as how your copy of it
>> is so broken that you aren't able to junk a thread.
>
> I don't post to you very often for obvious reasons, but I'll suggest to
> you that the man has a point. In fact, I was going to post something
> similar and decided at the last second because of the people involved I'd
> pass on it.
> The problem isn't "junking the thread". The problem is that this thread
> creeped into a political bash and in doing so, left the stated purpose of
> the group, which I believe is aviation and not politics.
> I've seen several fine newsgroups destroyed in this manner and I'm sure
> that you along with the others who enjoy this group wouldn't like to see
> that happen here.
> You personally were not the culprit in this case, but you helped establish
> the "mood" for what the poster you have answered so bluntly tried to
> express. You simply used an unnecessary political analogy that was of
> course picked up by the next poster under you. it was this that
> established the creep, and the thread ran away with it; completely off
> topic and of course devoted from that point on with political opinion and
> bashing.
> Just so you understand where I'm coming from personally on this, I'll tell
> you that I'm not the Internet Police, and if you people want to bash away
> with your political opinions on this aviation group, so be it. I'm not the
> least bit bothered by it, nor am I disturbed in any way.
> Its YOUR newsgroup. I'm only passing on my observations to those who might
> not desire that this group be lost to political agenda based dialog.
> What you folks do here is your business. FWIW, I strongly suggest that all
> of you take a step back and think for a moment before you use political
> comment on your newsgroup. I'd not like to see this group go the way of so
> many others on Usenet.
> Thank you
> Dudley Henriques
>
>

[Casey Wilson]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5gZqf.310$X86.122@trnddc04...
>> ....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
>> political blather.
>
> Maybe you should reinstall Outlook Express, seeing as how your copy of it
> is so broken that you aren't able to junk a thread.

My filters work very well, Mr. Duniho. The fact is I don't want to junk
the thread. I am interested in Hilton's point and the replies that are to
the point. It is the rest of the political gibberish to which I take
umbrage.

[Bob Noel]

In article <Pq2rf.632$wQ3.152@trnddc05>, "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com>
wrote:

[snip]
> The fact is I don't want to junk
> the thread. I am interested in Hilton's point and the replies that are to
> the point. It is the rest of the political gibberish to which I take
> umbrage.

It's too bad that subthreads can't be filtered.

or are there newsreaders that can filter a subthread?

--
Bob Noel
New NHL? what a joke

[Peter Duniho]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pq2rf.632$wQ3.152@trnddc05...
> My filters work very well, Mr. Duniho. The fact is I don't want to junk
> the thread. I am interested in Hilton's point and the replies that are to
> the point. It is the rest of the political gibberish to which I take
> umbrage.

Then use a news reader that has a more flexible way to filter messages. To
expect the Usenet community to conform to YOUR desire is unreasonable.
Thread drift is an inevitable fact of life on nearly every newsgroup.

In a perfect world, every newsgroup would stay 100% on topic 100% of the
time. But then, in a perfect world we wouldn't have aircraft accidents to
make Hilton angry either. You've been around long enough to know that a
post like yours isn't going to accomplish a single thing.

Pete

[John]

Peter Duniho wrote:

> "Stubby" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Blame the victum, eh.
>
> Victim? Who's a victim here? How have they been victimized? What have
> they lost? How have they been harmed?

The people who wanted to use this newsgroup to read/participate in a
discussion about piloting lose when the group becomes cluttered with
discussions/arguments/bickering about something else. It's similar to
opening your email expecting to find messages that are relevant to you but
instead find you've been spammed with dozens or more of useless crap. If
anything goes, then we might as well get rid of topical groups like
rec.aviation.Piloting.

[RomeoMike]

Totally agree!

Casey Wilson wrote:
> ....you people obliterated Hilton's message with a stream of off-topic
> political blather.
>
> How rude! It's no record, you've done it to the majority of topics raised
> on this forum.
>
> GET A LIFE!!!
>
> TAKE IT TO A POLITICAL FORUM!!
>
> GO FLY!!!
>
> Sheesh....
>
>
>

[Morgans]

"Marc CYBW" > wrote

> Amen

And I second that Amen. All in favor? ;-)
--
Jim in NC

[Peter R.]

Bob Noel > wrote:

> It's too bad that subthreads can't be filtered.
>
> or are there newsreaders that can filter a subthread?

40tude's newsreader, called Dialog (which is what I use), can ignore
branches of threads with its Ignore key.

http://www.40tude.com/dialog/


--
Peter

[Morgans]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote

> Then use a news reader that has a more flexible way to filter messages.

How? What newsreader? Enlighten us, please?

>To expect the Usenet community to conform to YOUR desire is unreasonable.

No, it is you who are unreasonable. You, and others, need to use some self
discipline and restraint, and keep from going down those roads.

It is not just Casey's desire. There are many here who are tired of the
political hijacking, and religion too.

> Thread drift is an inevitable fact of life on nearly every newsgroup.

It does not have to be inevitable. It's members can make it stop, by not
replying.

> In a perfect world, every newsgroup would stay 100% on topic 100% of the
> time. But then, in a perfect world we wouldn't have aircraft accidents to
> make Hilton angry either.

She is angry about an aviation problem, not a political problem. Don't
change it to make everything political.

> You've been around long enough to know that a
> post like yours isn't going to accomplish a single thing.

Ahh, but one can hope, and one can surely voice their disapproval.
--
Jim in NC

[Dave Stadt]

I'll throw in a halleluiah.

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Marc CYBW" > wrote
>
> > Amen
>
> And I second that Amen. All in favor? ;-)
> --
> Jim in NC

[Flyingmonk]

What irony, the person guilty of thread hijacking is Larry (the
internet police) himself... Hey Larry! where you at buddy? You're on
trial here! Come defend yourself! :^)

[Morgans]

"Peter R." > wrote

> 40tude's newsreader, called Dialog (which is what I use), can ignore
> branches of threads with its Ignore key.

True, but sometimes there is good stuff all mixed in with the garbage.

I usually killfile the biggest offenders, but even then, you have to read
their garbage in the next replied post, if it was quoted. I'm on my
once-in-a-while kick to open up the kill file, to take a look, and see if
everyone still deserves to be in there. It usually does not take too long
to identify the same old few, and return them to "bad graces."

It would be best yet if the garbage was just left out.

I know, tilting at windmills, and all. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Peter R.]

Morgans > wrote:

> True, but sometimes there is good stuff all mixed in with the garbage.

Hmmm, perhaps you understand the Ignore feature of the Dialog newsreader,
but in the even you missed it, here is a clarification:

In the case of the Angry thread, the political posts stayed in their own
"branch." 40tude Dialog allowed me to ignore the first post that spawned
that branch. From that point, only those posts in that thread that
referenced the first political post or its children were ignored. The
thread's good content of the other branches remained.

This feature is markedly different that OE's ignore, whereby OE will
ignores *all* posts of a thread you mark, not just the posts of a
particular thread branch. Clear as mud now? :)

--
Peter

[.Blueskies.]

"Morgans" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Marc CYBW" > wrote
>
>> Amen
>
> And I second that Amen. All in favor? ;-)
> --
> Jim in NC
>

Aye!

[Terry]

Hear hear!


On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:04:19 -0500, John > wrote:

>Peter Duniho wrote:
>
>> "Stubby" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > Blame the victum, eh.
>>
>> Victim? Who's a victim here? How have they been victimized? What have
>> they lost? How have they been harmed?
>
>The people who wanted to use this newsgroup to read/participate in a
>discussion about piloting lose when the group becomes cluttered with
>discussions/arguments/bickering about something else. It's similar to
>opening your email expecting to find messages that are relevant to you but
>instead find you've been spammed with dozens or more of useless crap. If
>anything goes, then we might as well get rid of topical groups like
>rec.aviation.Piloting.
>
>

[Terry]

I used to be annoyed by the off-topic stuff, but then I discovered
that it's exactly this kind of interaction that makes the newsgroup
interesting and keeps bringing me back.

Trolls like Skylune and others make me laugh and also make the limited
time I spend looking at this screen something to look forward to.

[Skylune]

>>Re: Within three posts....
by Terry > Dec 31, 2005 at 08:08 AM


I used to be annoyed by the off-topic stuff, but then I discovered
that it's exactly this kind of interaction that makes the newsgroup
interesting and keeps bringing me back.

Trolls like Skylune and others make me laugh and also make the limited
time I spend looking at this screen something to look forward to.<<

Happy to be of service! Joking and agitating are not mutually exclusive
activities. Ronald Reagan, the Happy Warrior, was the master.


If only someone like the Gipper were around to reply to Boyer's theatrics
with the classic line, "There he goes again...."