Wine with your 100LL?

[tom]

I fly out of CVO (Corvallis, OR), a small non-towered airport. While
walking to the porta-potty this afternoon I walked past the dumpster.
Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.
tom pettit

[Garner Miller]

In article . com>, tom
> wrote:

> I walked past the dumpster.
> Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
> to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
> keep wine in their hanger...

If it comes in a box, it isn't wine. Bleeccch! :-)

[Morgans]

"tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I fly out of CVO (Corvallis, OR), a small non-towered airport. While
> walking to the porta-potty this afternoon I walked past the dumpster.
> Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
> to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
> keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.

It is pretty common practice for some people to bring trash from home, and
dump it in "other's" dumpsters.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> Now tell me how many folks
> keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.

Is there something wrong with keeping wine in your hangar???

We keep a fridge full of beer at ours all the time... An adult beverage
after a beautiful flight is, well, lovely.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Conner]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:hi5rf.429883$084.90611@attbi_s22...
> > Now tell me how many folks
> > keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.
>
> Is there something wrong with keeping wine in your hangar???
>

I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. I haven't tried any yet,
but there have been at least two articles in the papers over the year with a
positive wine in the box slant.

[NW_PILOT]

Is this the same top with the 175 & the 182

"tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I fly out of CVO (Corvallis, OR), a small non-towered airport. While
> walking to the porta-potty this afternoon I walked past the dumpster.
> Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
> to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
> keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.
> tom pettit
>

[NW_PILOT]

Ahhh, Is this the same Tom with the 175 & the 182

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
...
> Is this the same top with the 175 & the 182
>
> "tom" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > I fly out of CVO (Corvallis, OR), a small non-towered airport. While
> > walking to the porta-potty this afternoon I walked past the dumpster.
> > Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
> > to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
> > keep wine in their hanger. For medicinal purposes only, I'm sure.
> > tom pettit
> >
>
>

[Peter R.]

Tom Conner > wrote:

> I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. I haven't tried any yet,
> but there have been at least two articles in the papers over the year with a
> positive wine in the box slant.

Really? Do you recall the positive points raised in the article?

--
Peter

[Jay Honeck]

>> Is there something wrong with keeping wine in your hangar???
>>
>
> I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. I haven't tried any
> yet,
> but there have been at least two articles in the papers over the year with
> a
> positive wine in the box slant.

Not being a wine aficionado, I've never understood the snobbery regarding
"wine in a box".

Is it not possible to have a fine wine that happens to be packaged in a
modern, convenient container? Does the plastic lining make it taste funny
(like the original plastic containers did with milk)?

We seldom have wine in the house, but for parties those fridge-sized boxes
are a marvelous invention.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> Not being a wine aficionado, I've never understood the snobbery regarding
> "wine in a box".

I suspect it has to do with aging. As you know, good wine gets better with
aging. Wine in a box is designed for quick consumption and is not meant to
sit in a low humidity, 64 degree cellar for a few years growing old with
style.

--
Peter

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:46:53 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>We seldom have wine in the house, but for parties those fridge-sized boxes
>are a marvelous invention.

*brrrrr*

we here in the EU now have to allow US wine to be imported ... some of the
US producers mix wine (and don't have to declare it on the label) ... how
disgusting.

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Jim Burns]

1. The ability to consume it in volume.
2. Easy to pour after you've consumed it in volume
3. No glass to break after you've consumed it in volume
4. Nobody gets stabbed with the cork screw after you've...
5. After you've CIIV, you don't care if it came in a box. :)
Jim

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Tom Conner > wrote:
>
> > I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. I haven't tried any
yet,
> > but there have been at least two articles in the papers over the year
with a
> > positive wine in the box slant.
>
> Really? Do you recall the positive points raised in the article?
>
> --
> Peter
>

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>we here in the EU now have to allow US wine to be imported ... some of the
>US producers mix wine (and don't have to declare it on the label) ... how
>disgusting.

So? Is anybody forcing you to buy it?

Surely that's not as bad as a few years back when it was discovered that
HUGE amounts of Austrian wine being sold over here had anti-freeze added
to make it taste sweeter?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
It's the _target_ that supposed to go "F00F", not the processor.
-- Mike Andrews, on Pentiums in missiles

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC), Paul Tomblin wrote:

>So? Is anybody forcing you to buy it?

no. but I can't make a decision because it is not marked. The product
should have a declaration about the ingredients.

>Surely that's not as bad as a few years back when it was discovered that
>HUGE amounts of Austrian wine being sold over here had anti-freeze added
>to make it taste sweeter?

this wasn't a good thing happening (and it wasn't a regular product, it was
illegal). but IMHO the producers and the govt learned how to avoid future
"mishaps".

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Dave Stadt]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Tom Conner > wrote:
>
> > I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. I haven't tried any
yet,
> > but there have been at least two articles in the papers over the year
with a
> > positive wine in the box slant.
>
> Really? Do you recall the positive points raised in the article?
>
> --
> Peter

Something about low wing drivers liked the box because it could be set on
the wing and made for easy dispensing. :-)

[Jose]

> 1. The ability to consume it in volume.

Actually, the ability to consume it =not= in volume. Since air makes
wine go bad, if you can prevent air from getting in, it's always fresh,
even if you only have half a glass today and half a glass three months
from today.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose]

> Not being a wine aficionado, I've never understood the snobbery regarding
> "wine in a box".

Primarily it has to do with the wine that is available in a box. Glass
also lasts longer; some fine wines are laid down for ten years or more.

There's a controversy about using cork or screwcaps now too; it looks
like screwcaps will win this one as cork is getting scarce and has its
problems.

Jose
--
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose]

> I can't make a decision because it is not marked. The product
> should have a declaration about the ingredients.

You mean, like French wines, where they don't tell you the grape
varieties from which the wine is made, but go on about the place it's made?

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Newps]

Jose wrote:

>> Not being a wine aficionado, I've never understood the snobbery
>> regarding "wine in a box".
>
>
> Primarily it has to do with the wine that is available in a box. Glass
> also lasts longer; some fine wines are laid down for ten years or more.
>
> There's a controversy about using cork or screwcaps now too; it looks
> like screwcaps will win this one as cork is getting scarce and has its
> problems.

They've done taste tests on TV with these wine snobs. For a given wine
it is not possible to tell what kind of container it has been stored in
by its taste.

[Jose]

> They've done taste tests on TV with these wine snobs. For a given wine it is not possible to tell what kind of container it has been stored in by its taste.

For screwcaps I can easily believe this. For wine in a box, I'd say
"more research is called for" (like how long does the box last in a damp
cellar after ten years or thirty). It may well work for fine wines too,
but the wine industry moves slowly. (as it should - discovering a
problem with a container after ten years does wonders for the ten year
old wine maturing in those containers.)

I'd like to see champaigne in a box. :)

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[John Gaquin]

"Tom Conner" > wrote in message news:ec6rf.2555
>
> I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. .....

Wine in a box...... wine with a screw cap....... won't age properly in a
box...... plastic liner might leave a taste....

OY! How many people go to their local booze shop, buy a $12 bottle of
wine, and leave it in their basement for 7 years? Please!! Wine in a box
is clearly meant for rapid consumption, (at the party tonight, with dinner
tomorrow) and it doesn't amount to a hoot in hell what its packaged in -- it
likely was aged in the same vat. I think part of the resistance among
certain groups is that with economies and efficiencies in distribution as
well as production, decent quality wine will become more easily affordable
to the "lower classes", thus diluting the exclusivity. On the other hand,
to some palates, it may make a real difference. Remember, though, we're
all bozos on this bus! Jay (and I) like the juice of rotting grain, while
others prefer the juice of rotting fruit. Can anyone truly explain this?

Merry Christmas!

[Bashir Salamati]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:53 +0100, Martin Hotze
> wrote:

:On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:46:53 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:
:
:>We seldom have wine in the house, but for parties those fridge-sized boxes
:>are a marvelous invention.
:
:*brrrrr*
:
:we here in the EU now have to allow US wine to be imported ... some of the
:US producers mix wine (and don't have to declare it on the label) ... how
:disgusting.

The French have been doing it forever, they just don't admit it in
public. Ginestet, GVG, Cordier, CVBG, Dulong and Mestrezat &
Domaines - they all paid big fines a few years ago.

[tom]

I've got no problem with that at all. I suspect a lot of socialization
goes on in the hangers after flying. I'm just new to this aviation
scene, and haven't developed a good sense of how different folks do
their thing at the airport. Me? I just go there to get access to my
wings. Or work on it. I have to drive 12 miles home, so I haven't
even considered drinking at the airport. My wife, on the other hand,
would just as soon drink before a flight. (She doesn't even like
flying commercial, so it is a special occasion when she flys in my spam
can)
tom

[tom]

No doubt, judging from some of the stuff in there.
tom

[tom]

Nope, I fly a homebuilt Savannah. It's the ugly bird that takes off in
about 200 feet.
tom

[tom]

I don't think a bottle of wine has lasted more than three hours after
opening, never mind 3 months. 8^)
tom

[john smith]

> There's a controversy about using cork or screwcaps now too; it looks
> like screwcaps will win this one as cork is getting scarce and has its
> problems.

And the "cork" is no longer actually cork, it is some synthetic material.

[Peter Duniho]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
>>So? Is anybody forcing you to buy it?
>
> no. but I can't make a decision because it is not marked. The product
> should have a declaration about the ingredients.

What decision?

First of all, wine makers have been blending wines since there was such a
thing as wine makers. It's quite common, and I doubt American wine
producers are the only ones doing it.

Secondly, who cares if the wine is blended? What you care about is how the
wine tastes. It's not like there's some health hazard to blended wines or
anything. The label isn't required to tell you whether you'll like the wine
or not, and blending is irrelevant to the question of whether you'll like
the taste.

Pete

[Morgans]

"Jose" > wrote

> I'd like to see champaigne in a box. :)

I would too, but only from a good distance. ;-)
--
Jim (Can you say boom?) in NC

[JohnH]

> *brrrrr*
>
> we here in the EU now have to allow US wine to be imported ... some
> of the US producers mix wine (and don't have to declare it on the
> label) ... how disgusting.

Would you like a little cheese with that whine? ;^)

[Dan Luke]

"john smith" wrote:

>> There's a controversy about using cork or screwcaps now too; it looks
>> like screwcaps will win this one as cork is getting scarce and has
>> its
>> problems.
>
> And the "cork" is no longer actually cork, it is some synthetic
> material.

Only sometimes. Every bottle of wine I have right now has a real cork.

--
Dan

"The future has actually been here for a while, it's just not readily
available to everyone."
- some guy at MIT

[Andrew Gideon]

John Gaquin wrote:

> Can anyone truly explain this?

Not I. My preference is for unrotten fruit juices. But I do like my milk
rotten, so I suppose I'm not one to judge <laugh>.

I used to visit Hamburg a couple of times a year. The first time I went, I
could not locate "coffee to go". When I managed to explain what I wanted
clearly, the revulsion over putting coffee in <gasp> paper cups was plain
to see.

More recently (and this is a few years back, since I stopped these regular
then), this cultural divide had apparently dissolved with "coffee to take
with" rather widely available.

My addiction and I were grateful.

Coffee in a box, though, confused me. When I first saw it, I thought it a
terrific idea! I only later learned that the idea is to share it with
others, driving out of individual cups. Oh, well.

- Andrew

[Sylvain]

Jose wrote:
> You mean, like French wines, where they don't tell you the grape
> varieties from which the wine is made, but go on about the place it's made?
>
> Jose

that's because French wines are usually not made with just one
grape varieties, and aficionados are supposed to know anyway;
in any case, the criterion used to earn a given 'appellation'
are very strict and well documented.

--Sylvain

[Jose]

>> You mean, like French wines, where they don't tell you the grape varieties from which the wine is made, but go on about the place it's made?
>>
>> Jose
>
>
> that's because French wines are usually not made with just one
> grape varieties, and aficionados are supposed to know anyway;
> in any case, the criterion used to earn a given 'appellation'
> are very strict and well documented.

Yes, I know. But the French do not label their wines with the
"ingredients". We're supposed to "know". So why can't the Europeans
just "know" whatever it is they claim we don't disclose?

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Morgans]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote
>
> Coffee in a box, though, confused me. When I first saw it, I thought it a
> terrific idea! I only later learned that the idea is to share it with
> others, driving out of individual cups. Oh, well.

Yep, their are some different ideas for things we all take for granted.

I was in Ecuador a few years back, and was on a small road trip on the Pan
American Highway. By the way, you may have one idea about that road, but it
is really a wide patch of varying surfaces. Sometimes minimal blacktop,
sometimes gravel, sometimes a deep pothole, all away across the width of the
road, necessitating traversing the hole at 1 MPH.... or pay the doctor.

Anyway, we stopped for some gas, a pee, and a drink. We finally got it
across what we wanted, and the lady took the coke, got a plastic sandwich
baggy, opened it up and poured the drink into the bag. She stuck a straw in
it, and twisted it around the straw.

Our jaws dropped, but there it was.

It seems as though the people selling the coke have to pay deposit on the
bottles, and most people want the nickel back, right then, so that is how
they get the drink, and the nickel back for the bottle. Different, that is
for sure!
--
Jim in NC

[Sylvain]

Jose wrote:
>> that's because French wines are usually not made with just one
>> grape varieties, and aficionados are supposed to know anyway;
>> in any case, the criterion used to earn a given 'appellation'
>> are very strict and well documented.
>
>
> Yes, I know. But the French do not label their wines with the
> "ingredients". We're supposed to "know". So why can't the Europeans
> just "know" whatever it is they claim we don't disclose?
>

because it is not documented anywhere, unlike the requirements
for a given appellation that French wine makes must follow.

--Sylvain

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:15:34 -0500, Andrew Gideon wrote:

>More recently (and this is a few years back, since I stopped these regular
>then), this cultural divide had apparently dissolved with "coffee to take
>with" rather widely available.

yeah. our culture here is going south (better: gong west)

:-/

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:30:56 -0500, John Gaquin wrote:

>Wine in a box
>is clearly meant for rapid consumption,

wine is never meant for rapid consumption

> (at the party tonight, with dinner
>tomorrow) and it doesn't amount to a hoot in hell what its packaged in -- it
>likely was aged in the same vat.

it is a matter of style.

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[John Gaquin]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
>
> wine is never meant for rapid consumption

Never meant to be drunk fast; but used fairly soon after purchase, yes.
But, you already realized what I meant.

>
>> (at the party tonight, with dinner
>>tomorrow) and it doesn't amount to a hoot in hell what its packaged in --
>>it
>>likely was aged in the same vat.
>
> it is a matter of style.

Precisely my earlier point. Style -- real or imagined.

[Jose]

> because it is not documented anywhere, unlike the requirements
> for a given appellation that French wine makes must follow.

Sure it's documented... just not in law.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> I've got no problem with that at all. I suspect a lot of socialization
> goes on in the hangers after flying. I'm just new to this aviation
> scene, and haven't developed a good sense of how different folks do
> their thing at the airport. Me? I just go there to get access to my
> wings. Or work on it.

Many of the world's problems have been solved in our hangar, at the end
of a nice, long flight, whilst supping on a cold adult beverage. And
everyone at the airport knows there is always a cold one with their
name on it in our fridge.

Everything in moderation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Robet Coffey]

John Gaquin wrote:
> "Tom Conner" > wrote in message news:ec6rf.2555
>
>>I think the issue was that the wine was in a box. .....
>
>
> Wine in a box...... wine with a screw cap....... won't age properly in a
> box...... plastic liner might leave a taste....
>
> OY! How many people go to their local booze shop, buy a $12 bottle of
> wine, and leave it in their basement for 7 years? Please!! Wine in a box
> is clearly meant for rapid consumption, (at the party tonight, with dinner
> tomorrow) and it doesn't amount to a hoot in hell what its packaged in -- it
> likely was aged in the same vat. I think part of the resistance among
> certain groups is that with economies and efficiencies in distribution as
> well as production, decent quality wine will become more easily affordable
> to the "lower classes", thus diluting the exclusivity. On the other hand,
> to some palates, it may make a real difference. Remember, though, we're
> all bozos on this bus! Jay (and I) like the juice of rotting grain, while
> others prefer the juice of rotting fruit. Can anyone truly explain this?
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
>
Well crap!I was going to make a box wine cellar in my hangar for aging
investment grade box wines.

Seriously though, I understand few wines are suitable for aging. Most
are sold for immediate consumption. Box wine would be great for the
hangar. BTW my hangar beer is Natty Lite except for special occasions
then we get out the home brew wheats. So you can tell by my tastes I am
a serious wine/beer snob.

[Grumman-581]

"tom" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I fly out of CVO (Corvallis, OR), a small non-towered airport. While
> walking to the porta-potty this afternoon I walked past the dumpster.
> Naturally I looked in to see what was there, and I was pretty surprized
> to see several of the empty wine boxes. Now tell me how many folks
> keep wine in their hanger.

It's a left coast thing... Here in Texas, we keep beer in our hangars...
Hell, I keep a couple of cans in the cooler in my plane for after I get to
my destination also... No big deal...

[George Patterson]

Jose wrote:

> Actually, the ability to consume it =not= in volume. Since air makes
> wine go bad, if you can prevent air from getting in, it's always fresh,
> even if you only have half a glass today and half a glass three months
> from today.

Well, I guess if people hate wine so much that they would open a bottle and
drink only a glass or two in the space of three months, they deserve to drink
the crap that comes in boxes. Conversely, if they buy a box of wine, they
probably would get into the habit of drinking it very slowly (if at all).

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Is it not possible to have a fine wine that happens to be packaged in a
> modern, convenient container?

It probably would be possible. Nobody that makes fine wines does this at the
present time.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[George Patterson]

Jose wrote:

> There's a controversy about using cork or screwcaps now too; it looks
> like screwcaps will win this one as cork is getting scarce and has its
> problems.

Well, screwcaps aren't really players yet. What is becoming more and more
popular is synthetic corks. They seem to work very well.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Flyingmonk]

A couple of places that I've dined at let's us keep our unfished
bottles in their wine cellar(chilled icebox) for when we come back next
time. If recorked and stored in such a way that the cork stays wet,
wine actually keeps for awhile... :^)

Last time I was in France, I filled two suite cases with wine in
bottles wrapped in my shirts, pants, in socks...etc. The customs guy
could tell that the suite cases were VERY heavy the way I carried them
and he asked me what was in the suite cases and I responsed, "A bunch
of wine..." with a smile and he didn't even bothered to open the suit
cases. This was prior to 9-11.

Most times I can only do at most two or three glasses at a sitting, my
wife however can keep on truckin' when it comes to drinking wine. :^)

Here in Northern Virginia, there are several (maybe thirty) vineyards
that are open for wine tasting in the summer and when we go visit those
places, I'm the desinated driver. :^)

The Monk

[Flyingmonk]

John G wrote:
>How many people go to their local booze shop, buy a $12 bottle of wine, and leave it in their basement for 7 years? Please!!

Probably not many, but I have two daughters, ages 8 and 10. When they
were born, I went out and bought a box of wine (twenty four bottles I
believe) in the year that each one was born. When they get married,
that will be one of their wedding presents, I have laid the bottles on
the sides so the cork stays wet. That'll be some aged wine when they
open them :^) If I can keep my wife from finding them first : ^ ) so
far so good...

The Monk

[Morgans]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote

I have laid the bottles on
> the sides so the cork stays wet. That'll be some aged wine when they
> open them :^)

It is a good idea to rotate them 90 degrees every 3 months or so.
--
Jim (former alcohol hobbyist) tin NC

[Flyingmonk]

Jim wrote:
>It is a good idea to rotate them 90 degrees every 3 months or so.

Thanks, got that covered. One of my brother-in-laws is a frog wine
snob. :^)

The Monk

[John Theune]

Morgans wrote:
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote
>
> I have laid the bottles on
>
>>the sides so the cork stays wet. That'll be some aged wine when they
>>open them :^)
>
>
> It is a good idea to rotate them 90 degrees every 3 months or so.
And you might want to check with a "expert" as I seem to remember from
my friend the wine salesmen that most wines don't last that long. as I
recall it was 8-10 years for reds and 3-5 for whites, but don't quote me
on it. I think it has something to do with the alcohol content that
hard liquor ages but wines have more of a shelf life.

[vincent p. norris]

>Well, screwcaps aren't really players yet. What is becoming more and more
>popular is synthetic corks. They seem to work very well.

I've heard one fairly well-known CA winery owner, and the eastern rep
of another, say, in almost the same words, "There is no California
winery owner who would not love to switch to screwcaps, but no one has
the guts to be the first.

Then, two or three years ago, I read that a winery owned in part by
the Gettys offered for sale a Chardonnay (IIRC) for $130 a bottle; but
for an additional five dollars you could get it with a screwcap!

How's that for reverse snobbery?

vince norris

[vincent p. norris]

>Here in Northern Virginia, there are several (maybe thirty) vineyards
>that are open for wine tasting in the summer and when we go visit those
>places, I'm the desinated driver. :^)

Although I live in PA, I've attended two Virginia state-wide "tent
meeting" tastings--most recently the one last summer near Winchester,
on a terribly hot and humid day. We gave up and left after about 1.5
hours; it was so unbearable.

But before we left we had tasted some excellent wines. I was
surprised that they are even making good wines down in the tidal area
near Williamsburg, which I would have thought the worst place in the
world to try to raise grapes.

vince norris