4 Gliders towed by one towplane -picture-

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This is crazy:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=981409&size=L&width=1280&height=972&sok=JURER%20%20%28qngrfgnzc%20%3E%20qngr_fho%28ABJ %28%29%2C%20VAGREINY%2024%20UBHE%29%29%20%20BEQRE% 20OL%20ivrjf%20qrfp&photo_nr=3&prev_id=981474&next_id=981548

-Nik

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napisał(a):

Looks like "Ocovski Bacovia" glider aerobatic team, flying 4 Blanik.
Here you'll find some photos of them
http://www.airfoto.pl/?module=Photos&action=Search&id=770&type=id_al


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[Malcolm Austin]

There is a picture on the net with 9 (yes Nine) gliders on tow!

If some one cannot come up with a link, I will send you a copy direct..

Now that's scary indeed !

Malcolm...

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> This is crazy:
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=981409&size=L&width=1280&height=972&sok=JURER%20%20%28qngrfgnzc%20%3E%20qngr_fho%28ABJ %28%29%2C%20VAGREINY%2024%20UBHE%29%29%20%20BEQRE% 20OL%20ivrjf%20qrfp&photo_nr=3&prev_id=981474&next_id=981548
>
> -Nik
>

[Greg Arnold]

Page 13 here has a photo of 7 gliders on tow:

http://socalsoaring.com/newsletter/scs_16_sepoct2005.pdf



Malcolm Austin wrote:
> There is a picture on the net with 9 (yes Nine) gliders on tow!
>
> If some one cannot come up with a link, I will send you a copy direct..
>
> Now that's scary indeed !
>
> Malcolm...
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> This is crazy:
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=981409&size=L&width=1280&height=972&sok=JURER%20%20%28qngrfgnzc%20%3E%20qngr_fho%28ABJ %28%29%2C%20VAGREINY%2024%20UBHE%29%29%20%20BEQRE% 20OL%20ivrjf%20qrfp&photo_nr=3&prev_id=981474&next_id=981548
>>
>> -Nik
>>
>
>

[Burt Compton - Marfa]

At Marfa, west Texas, I've got good VIDEO of the four glider tow done
at Marfa in the early '90's during the 2nd Transcontinental Soaring
Expedition from Marfa, north up the rockies to the US-Canada border.
I show it annually at my "Marfa Gliders" booth at the SSA Conventions,
along with the best flying segments from "The Sunship Game".

Does anybody out there have any other film or video or photos of the
Marfa US National contests 1967 / 1969 / the World Contest of 1970 that
I can duplicate for my archives?

Burt
Marfa Gliders
www.flygliders.com

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Could the photograph be a fake ? The wingspan of the tow plane appears
to be almost that of the gliders'. What kind of tow plane is this, and
what it its actual wingspan ?

Cheers, Charles

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Cool picture!

Kirk
66

[paul621]

Could the photograph be a fake ? The wingspan of the tow plane appears
to be almost that of the gliders'. What kind of tow plane is this, and
what it its actual wingspan ?

Cheers, Charles

Plane is Czech Zlin Z-137 Turbo Cmelak ,wingspan is almost 45ft and engine with 520Hp is capable of towing 12 gliders.By the way L-13 tow with two people on board is less than 3 minutes (full power-3000ft-stop)

[Jeffrey Banks]

Specs for the Zlin 137t agro turbo:

http://www.glider-towing.sk/aircraft.html

At 02:18 27 December 2005, wrote:
>
>Could the photograph be a fake ? The wingspan of the
>tow plane appears
>to be almost that of the gliders'. What kind of tow
>plane is this, and
>what it its actual wingspan ?
>
>Cheers, Charles
>
>

[309]

What every towpilot want(ed) for Christmas... ;-)

No mention of air conditioning, but room for the "mechanic" in the back
suggests help will be close at hand...

One fellow I know used to fly turbine Beech 18's, and noted that when
he flew, he logged:
Multiengine
Turbine
Complex
Retractable
High Performance
Taildragger

in his logbook. This aircraft appears to satisfy all but two of those
categories.

I'm guessing that this tug could launch the entire contest for the 1-26
Championships, given enough rope. Well, maybe it would take two
tows...

While it didn't have a turbine or room for the mechanic (unless you
count the chemical hopper), in '94 the Lake Elsinore Soaring Club
acquired a similar "Sky Shark," referred to locally as "Jaws." I had
the privilege (?) of flying it from East Coast to West Coast in
November of '94...only one leg had a tailwind. The rest of the trip
was like flying on a motocross track...

http://www.soarelsinore.org/jaws.gif

-Pete
#309 and former tug pilot


Jeffrey Banks wrote:
> Specs for the Zlin 137t agro turbo:

[Bruce Hoult]

In article . com>,
"309" > wrote:

> What every towpilot want(ed) for Christmas... ;-)

You'd want to have a busy operation otherwise the stop/start engine
cycles would kill you.

--
Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

[Jono Richards]

this is from the British Gliding Teams website...

5 gliders!

http://www.glidingteam.co.uk/images/competitions/NNP7375.jpg

JR

[Shawn]

Jono Richards wrote:
> this is from the British Gliding Teams website...
>
> 5 gliders!
>
> http://www.glidingteam.co.uk/images/competitions/NNP7375.jpg

Cool winglets.

Shawn

[Stewart Kissel]

What is the procedure if glider #3 has a rope break
at 50'? :)

Or if the towplane has an engine failure at the same
altitude?

I bet they look at the ropes real careful.

Now I am curious...how are the ropes attached? To
one main line? And then to one Tost?

[5Z]

It appears the shortest rope is also flying the highest. So a rope
break will involve a gentle pullup, allowing the rest of the group to
fly on ahead. If the runway is wide enough, it looks like the gliders
can fan out with minimal overlap, so maybe they do this until high
enough to stack up in a trailing formation.

If the runway is not wide enough, it seems to me the most dangerous
part will be 0 - 100' as all gliders behind the "failed" one will need
to release almost immediately to avoid running over him. So I suspect
they only do this on a wide runway.

Overall, as with any formation flight, a proper briefing and evaluation
of outcomes should produce a fairly safe ending for most situations. I
would have no problems being one of the glider pilots.

-Tom
Who's done dual 2-33 tow behind a Super Cub from Crystalaire to Bishop,
CA - about 200 miles.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pearblossom,+ca+to+bishop,+ca&spn=3.895219,3.506836&hl=en

[Jono Richards]

This picture gives a better idea of the first stage
of the launch

http://www.gliding.sk/images/akrobacia%20nitra%202001/stvorvlek.JP
G

Make sure the 'G' on the end of JPG is included in
the link - its being awkward.

Enjoy!

JR

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The pic is a fake. Look at it closely, if you care.

[Shawn]

wrote:
> The pic is a fake. Look at it closely, if you care.
>
Why do you say that? Did you make it? ;-) Looks like a real, low res
pic to me.

Shawn

[Jack]

wrote:
> The pic is a fake. Look at it closely, if you care.

Which Picture?

Do you think these are fakes:

http://www.gliding.sk/p005.htm



Jack

[Jono Richards]

I was just away to put that link on too

I doubt anyone would have gone to that much bother
- theres a good 4 or 5 pics there.

JR

[stephanevdv]

Here is a link to the picture of the nine gliders behind a soviet TB-1
bomber.

http://etiennefly.free.fr/images/9plan.jpg

[MaD]

schrieb:

> The pic is a fake. Look at it closely, if you care.

Having seen a quadruple and a quintuple tow last summer in Nitra myself
I can assure you there is no need to fake such a picture.

BTW being on tow behind a Turbo Cmelak is absolutely awesome! I
measured several tows, from touch-down, hook on, take off, climb to
600m and back down to touch-down, at between 150 and 180 Seconds.
That's Standard Class, full of water!
Go have a try one day. Turbo Cmelaks available for towing in Slovakia
and Hungary.

Regards
Marcel

[Ian Johnston]

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:49:47 UTC, "MaD" >
wrote:

: schrieb:
:
: > The pic is a fake. Look at it closely, if you care.
:
: Having seen a quadruple and a quintuple tow last summer in Nitra myself
: I can assure you there is no need to fake such a picture.

Isn't there an Antonov AN-2 in New Zealand which has the world record,
having done an octuple Blanik tow?

Ian

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I should have said "In my opinion, the picture is a fake".

Save the picture as a bmp and open it with the windows paint program.
Zoom in to 800 scale and take a look. You'll notice:

* areas where "smudging" was performed
* look at the artifacts along the top surfaces of the gliders right
wings only.
* Furthest right glider left rear stabilizer has a faint black line
protruding vertically upward.
What is that? Why is the exact same thing showing up on the next
glider to the left in
the very same position? It looks like a poor cut-and-paste
artifact.
* Look at the tow rope for the second glider from the left, nearest to
tow plane. Notice the
waves in it?
* The heading of the second glider from the left is wrong - a collision
is immament.

I'm no expert, but I've doctored up pictures before and know where the
giveaways in my fakes have been.

Yeah, I know - why waste time on this? Cabin fever..


Jono Richards wrote:
> I was just away to put that link on too
>
> I doubt anyone would have gone to that much bother
> - theres a good 4 or 5 pics there.
>
> JR

[NoSpam]

I am also no expert, but here are my observations;

wrote:
> I should have said "In my opinion, the picture is a fake".
>
> Save the picture as a bmp and open it with the windows paint program.
> Zoom in to 800 scale and take a look. You'll notice:
>
> * areas where "smudging" was performed
> * look at the artifacts along the top surfaces of the gliders right
> wings only.

The reason we can see the "artifacts" is because the angle of the wings
allows us to see the top portion of the starboard wings, these
"artifacts" appear to be panels and maybe markings on top of the wings.


> * Furthest right glider left rear stabilizer has a faint black line
> protruding vertically upward.
> What is that? Why is the exact same thing showing up on the next
> glider to the left in
> the very same position? It looks like a poor cut-and-paste
> artifact.

I believe that the faint black lines are actually the radio antenna's
protruding from the fuselage and not the stab, the fact that the gliders
are on a similar angle would explain why the "vertical black lines"
appear in similar positions in reference to the stab.

> * Look at the tow rope for the second glider from the left, nearest to
> tow plane. Notice the
> waves in it?

I personally don't see any "waves", however, the tow ropes for the last
two gliders appear "smudged" the closer they get to the tow plane, this
is because the closer they get to the same point the more trouble the
camera has focusing.

> * The heading of the second glider from the left is wrong - a collision
> is immament.
>

At the angle that this photo was taken you do not see the horizontal
separation between the gliders, i am willing to bet there is about 50
feet between one glider and the one in front of it, and another 50 feet
between it and the one behind.

> I'm no expert, but I've doctored up pictures before and know where the
> giveaways in my fakes have been.
>
> Yeah, I know - why waste time on this? Cabin fever..
>
>
> Jono Richards wrote:
>
>>I was just away to put that link on too
>>
>>I doubt anyone would have gone to that much bother
>>- theres a good 4 or 5 pics there.
>>
>>JR
>
>

[Stefan Lörchner]

>There is a picture on the net with 9 (yes Nine) gliders on tow!
>
> If some one cannot come up with a link, I will send you a copy direct..

I've actually seen a video with such (that?) aerotow. IIRC it was done
for a music video clip.

Too bad I can neither find anything about the band nor the video. It
could have been in Belgium or Netherlands...

I think it was recorded as a world record, too.