trying to find aviation book

[Nobody]

Recently I saw a special on The History Channel called "Dogfights". It
mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No Glory".
I have not been able to find this book for sale anywhere. Does anyone know
where I may find a copy of this book?

Thanks in advance.

[Dan Foster]

In article >, Nobody > wrote:
> Recently I saw a special on The History Channel called "Dogfights". It
> mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No Glory".
> I have not been able to find this book for sale anywhere. Does anyone know
> where I may find a copy of this book?

It was originally a 30 page manual written in 1955 for U.S. Air Force
fighter pilots regarding tactical maneuvers, and was classified at the
time. They were USAF issued to pilots as recently as 1973, that I am
aware of.

However, I think I once heard somewhere that another of his books,
'Check Six' includes a reprint of the 30 page 'No Guts, No Glory' manual
at the end?

'Check Six' is unclassified and available for purchase.

Amazon sells it through other booksellers for as little as one cent for
the paperback edition of 'Check Six'.

Someone in rec.aviation.military would probably know for sure if 'Check
Six' does indeed have a reprint of 'No Guts, No Glory' in it.

-Dan

[Dudley Henriques]

"Nobody" > wrote in message
...
> Recently I saw a special on The History Channel called "Dogfights". It
> mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No
> Glory".
> I have not been able to find this book for sale anywhere. Does anyone
> know
> where I may find a copy of this book?
>
> Thanks in advance.

Boots wrote NGNG on 8 1/2 x 11 typewriter paper while he was an 86 driver in
Korea. I have an early copy of this work. Its not a book, but rather a short
course in basic ACM and tactics for the 86 against the Mig 15 written on the
base ops typewriter.
The piece is very short. My copy is 41 pages counting illustrations.
I'd be surprised if you could find the piece in book form, but nothing's
impossible.
Boots was living in Florida last I heard; Melborne if I remember right. It
was some time ago.
Perhaps a call to information there will uncover something concrete you can
pursue.
Dudley Henriques

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:42:00 -0600, "Nobody" >
wrote in >::

>It
>mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No Glory".

More information about the publication is available here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0316796883/002-7865413-5188044?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=no%20guts%20no%20glory%20Blesse&p=S02E&avc=1&checkSum=58pgRs%252FBE3xBAwM6JUJfrFiiykRTC3odhntX6 Hnj1qI%253D

"In the March 1955 issue of the Fighter Weapons Newsletter, Major
Frederick "Boots" Blesse, a double ace from the Korean War,
published an article about fighter techniques used in Korea titled
"No Guts, No Glory." The newsletter was the official publication
of the Fighter Weapons School at Nellis and usually contained no
articles of consequence ..."

[Richard Riley]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:42:00 -0600, "Nobody" >
wrote:

:Recently I saw a special on The History Channel called "Dogfights". It
:mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No Glory".
:I have not been able to find this book for sale anywhere. Does anyone know
:where I may find a copy of this book?
:
:Thanks in advance.

Here's a PDF copy

http://www.simhq.com/_air/PDF/NGNG.pdf

[Nobody]

Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

-Richard M.


"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:42:00 -0600, "Nobody" >
> wrote:
>
> :Recently I saw a special on The History Channel called "Dogfights". It
> :mentioned a book by Frederick C. "Boots" Blesse titled "No Guts, No
Glory".
> :I have not been able to find this book for sale anywhere. Does anyone
know
> :where I may find a copy of this book?
> :
> :Thanks in advance.
>
> Here's a PDF copy
>
> http://www.simhq.com/_air/PDF/NGNG.pdf
>
>

[Richard Riley]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:23:07 -0600, "Nobody" >
wrote:

:Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
:
:-Richard M.

As long as we're linking to obscure monographs on aerial combat -

http://12.1.239.226/isysnative/SDpcSk9ITiBSIEJPWURcQm94IDMgRm9sZGVyIDUtMS5USUY=/Box%203%20Folder%205-1.TIF

http://12.1.239.226/isysnative/SDpcSk9ITiBSIEJPWURcQm94IDMgRm9sZGVyIDUtMS5USUY=/Box%203%20Folder%205-2.TIF

For some reason in this computer the mult-page TIF starts my copy of
quicktime, and then I'm only able to open the first page. But it's
supposed to be Boyd's "Aerial Attack Study."

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:18:43 -0800, Richard Riley
> wrote in
>::

>
>As long as we're linking to obscure monographs on aerial combat -
>
>http://12.1.239.226/isysnative/SDpcSk9ITiBSIEJPWURcQm94IDMgRm9sZGVyIDUtMS5USUY=/Box%203%20Folder%205-1.TIF
>
>http://12.1.239.226/isysnative/SDpcSk9ITiBSIEJPWURcQm94IDMgRm9sZGVyIDUtMS5USUY=/Box%203%20Folder%205-2.TIF
>
>For some reason in this computer the mult-page TIF starts my copy of
>quicktime, and then I'm only able to open the first page.

It opens Windows Picture and Fax Viewer on my WinXP system. Perhaps
you might consider changing the TIF file association from the Tools
pulldown menu at the top of any folder: Tools/Folder Options/File
Types.

>But it's supposed to be Boyd's "Aerial Attack Study."

The documents returned from each link are identical, the first 79
pages of 147 total. Perhaps contacting the webmaster of the Aviadores
Virtuales Asociados site with a request to correct the error, and
provide the last 68 pages may be productive:
http://www.aviadoresvirtuales.org/contacta.php

[John Galban]

Dan Foster wrote:
>
> However, I think I once heard somewhere that another of his books,
> 'Check Six' includes a reprint of the 30 page 'No Guts, No Glory' manual
> at the end?
>

Must be a different book. I just dug out my copy of Check Six and
got no joy :-(

Since you mentioned it, though, I highly recommend Check Six. It's a
great read and much more entertaining than the ACM manual.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Jack]

Richard Riley wrote:

> As long as we're linking to obscure monographs on aerial combat....

The links may be hard to find, but there is nothing obscure about the
contributions of Blesse, nor of Boyd. Boyd in particular improved our
understanding of modern air fighting.

Also read, "Full Circle: The Tactics Of Air Fighting, 1914-1964" for an
over-view of the earlier history of air combat.


Jack

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jack" > wrote in message
. com...
> Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> As long as we're linking to obscure monographs on aerial combat....
>
> The links may be hard to find, but there is nothing obscure about the
> contributions of Blesse, nor of Boyd. Boyd in particular improved our
> understanding of modern air fighting.
>
> Also read, "Full Circle: The Tactics Of Air Fighting, 1914-1964" for an
> over-view of the earlier history of air combat.
>
>
> Jack

"40 second Boyd" was a legend in the Air Force. I knew him and have on our
den wall a painting of the research T38 I used for coupling departure
testing autographed by John.
There was a standing bet in the O Club at Nellis that John could convert in
a 100 in a heartbeat on any fighter pilot in the Air Force with John
starting defensive at 12 o'clock and the "victim" in the saddle on his six.
To my knowledge, John was never beaten on this standing bet.
He was a direct talker and a no crap guy who might have made it a lot higher
had he kept his mouth shut and played the game required for promotion over
an O6 pay grade, but that wasn't his style :-)
John, and Christie, and Rutowski, and the rest of the energy guys gave us
not only our modern ACM and tactics doctrine, but also a much needed basis
for dissimilar comparison data 1v1.
I think I'm fairly safe in saying that John and his "buddies" in the boiler
house gang gave us the entire approach we use today not only in ACM, but is
modern flight test analysis.
I would also add to John's many accomplishments by saying that even some
average non flying guy starting a small business in today's world would
benefit greatly from a thorough study the OODA loop! :-)

Keep that Ps positive John, and thanks!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship