G1000 Check out

[Michelle]

Well now I know why it is called the G1000 because that is how much it
costs to get checked out in one.

This afternoon I finished my checkout in a G1000 equipped Diamond Star (
180 HP four place). That was my excitement for New Years Eve. After
finishing this posting I will be headed to bed.....

I attended a two hour ground session on the G1000 and associated KAP140
Auto Pilot, then scheduled the necessary flights. I must say the G1000
is a joy to fly and the KAP 140 is a pain in the ass.
Situational awareness is awesome. One problem, too much head in the
cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very different from
flying steam gauges.

My first problem flying the airplane was the airspeed tape. It was
counter intuitive. The Altitude tape is intuitive. Raise the nose to get
higher on the scale and lower the nose to get lower on the scale.
The airspeed tape you need to lower the nose to get to a higher
indication on the tape and raise the nose to get a lower indication on
the tape. Yeah I know raising the nose to slow down and lowering it to
speed up is basic. However when your are looking at the tape it is not.
Setting up flight plans and approaches is strait out of the 430/530.

Once set up in cruise you can play with all the other toys. XM weather
and radio, all the info available about the destination airport or any
other one you choose. The destination one is automatic.
Auto Ident on nav frequencies. TIS, Terrain warning, Topo, airways it is
all there and much more.

The Auto-pilot is another story.
The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect. However altitude
navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all figured out.
The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed modes but not
all the time.
The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in standby mode. It
should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not. I started pushing
buttons and nothing happened.
Several times during our approach into Charlottesville,VA the autopilot
kicked off line. Too much trim operation. We were getting tossed around
a bit and it was working hard. i left it offline the last time and hand
flew the rest of the approach. This was my first time flying a coupled
approach.

A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and cumulus granitus
and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death and ride shotgun?
Michelle

[john smith]

> A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and cumulus granitus
> and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death and ride shotgun?
> Michelle

If I wasn't 400 mile away, I would ask "What time do I have to be at the
airport?"

[Jim Macklin]

I think you meant to say, Hand flew a flight director on
approach... a coupled approach is with the autopilot flying.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Michelle" > wrote
in message
k.net...
| Well now I know why it is called the G1000 because that is
how much it
| costs to get checked out in one.
|
| This afternoon I finished my checkout in a G1000 equipped
Diamond Star (
| 180 HP four place). That was my excitement for New Years
Eve. After
| finishing this posting I will be headed to bed.....
|
| I attended a two hour ground session on the G1000 and
associated KAP140
| Auto Pilot, then scheduled the necessary flights. I must
say the G1000
| is a joy to fly and the KAP 140 is a pain in the ass.
| Situational awareness is awesome. One problem, too much
head in the
| cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very
different from
| flying steam gauges.
|
| My first problem flying the airplane was the airspeed
tape. It was
| counter intuitive. The Altitude tape is intuitive. Raise
the nose to get
| higher on the scale and lower the nose to get lower on the
scale.
| The airspeed tape you need to lower the nose to get to a
higher
| indication on the tape and raise the nose to get a lower
indication on
| the tape. Yeah I know raising the nose to slow down and
lowering it to
| speed up is basic. However when your are looking at the
tape it is not.
| Setting up flight plans and approaches is strait out of
the 430/530.
|
| Once set up in cruise you can play with all the other
toys. XM weather
| and radio, all the info available about the destination
airport or any
| other one you choose. The destination one is automatic.
| Auto Ident on nav frequencies. TIS, Terrain warning, Topo,
airways it is
| all there and much more.
|
| The Auto-pilot is another story.
| The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect.
However altitude
| navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all
figured out.
| The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed
modes but not
| all the time.
| The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in
standby mode. It
| should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not. I
started pushing
| buttons and nothing happened.
| Several times during our approach into Charlottesville,VA
the autopilot
| kicked off line. Too much trim operation. We were getting
tossed around
| a bit and it was working hard. i left it offline the last
time and hand
| flew the rest of the approach. This was my first time
flying a coupled
| approach.
|
| A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and
cumulus granitus
| and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death
and ride shotgun?
| Michelle

[Michelle]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> I think you meant to say, Hand flew a flight director on
> approach... a coupled approach is with the autopilot flying.
>
>
Jim,
It was fully coupled. I managed the power only.
LOC and GS were flown by the autopilot.
Michelle

[Jim Macklin]

Thought you said you had turned the AP off, auto-throttles
are not too common on small aircraft. It is fun to watch
just how good a good autopilot can fly the airplane.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Michelle" > wrote
in message
k.net...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > I think you meant to say, Hand flew a flight director on
| > approach... a coupled approach is with the autopilot
flying.
| >
| >
| Jim,
| It was fully coupled. I managed the power only.
| LOC and GS were flown by the autopilot.
| Michelle

[NW_PILOT]

Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to much
time inside the cockpit.

>One problem, too much head in the
> cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very different from
> flying steam gauges.

[Peter R.]

Michelle > wrote:

> The Auto-pilot is another story.
> The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect. However altitude
> navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all figured out.
> The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed modes but not
> all the time.

I have about 400 hours behind a KAP140 in a C172SP, the last being about a
year and a half ago. IIRC, the first time you hit the ALT button, this
engages the vertical speed hold. If you hit the ALT button again, it will
engage the altitude hold. Hit the ALT again and it toggles back to VS
hold.

The only time this ALT toggle shouldn't work is when the AP is in APR mode
and you have captured the glideslope. Not sure why this ALT/VS toggle
didn't work for you every time other than in APR mode.

> The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in standby mode. It
> should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not.

If no mode lights are illuminated on the face of the unit, it is in what
you are calling "standby mode."

> I started pushing buttons and nothing happened.

You need to first hold the AP button for three or four seconds to engage
the AP (at which time it will engage wing leveler mode). At that point you
can then select the mode you desire.

This engage delay was purposely introduced by Bendix King approximately
five years ago in response to a C182 accident in England where the pilot
mistakenly engaged the AP on the ground when his knuckle hit the AP button
as he slid the throttle forward during the run-up (the investigation
surmised).

At that point, the AP dialed full nose up trim without the pilot's
knowledge. He took off, the aircraft immediately went nose-up, stalled,
then went straight into the runway. The accident killed the married
couple.


--
Peter

[Flyingmonk]

Michelle wrote:
>A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and cumulus granitus
>and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death and ride >shotgun?

I'm in! I'm not current though... :^( , but if you just need a
pair of eyes and someone that'll land the plane if push comes to shove,
I'm your man! And lunch is on me!

The Monk

[Flyingmonk]

Michelle wrote:
>A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and cumulus granitus
>and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death and ride >shotgun?


I'm in! I'm not current though... :^( , but if you just need a
pair of eyes and someone that'll land the plane if push comes to shove,

I'm your man and lunch is on me! email me your phone number if it's a
go.
chaisone(at)yahoo.com Change [ at to @ :^) ]

The Monk

[John Clonts]

Huh?

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message ...
> Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to much
> time inside the cockpit.
>
>>One problem, too much head in the
>> cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very different from
>> flying steam gauges.
>
>

[Jack]

John Clonts wrote:

> Huh?

>>>One problem, too much head in the
>>>cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very different from
>>>flying steam gauges.

Sorry, John, but too much head in the cockpit can be bad, even dangerous
under some circumstances. Not to worry, though, as it is much less of a
threat now than in the good old days.

Or were you inquiring about the meaning of the term, "steam gauges" (the
round analog instruments) as opposed to "glass" (the digital CRT and
flat-panel displays)?


Jack

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 02:41:37 GMT, Michelle wrote:

>Diamond Star (
>180 HP four place).

the diesel?
how did you like the DA40 (compared to the Cessnas and Pipers, besides the
G1000)?

#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Michelle]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Thought you said you had turned the AP off, auto-throttles
> are not too common on small aircraft. It is fun to watch
> just how good a good autopilot can fly the airplane.
>
>
Jim,
I did disengage the autopilot because it could not keep up with the
oscillations caused by the wind. This was after it kicked off line twice
because it went outside it limits. I had to manually manage the power
the entire time.

Michelle

[Michelle]

Peter R. wrote:
> Michelle > wrote:
>
>
>>The Auto-pilot is another story.
>>The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect. However altitude
>>navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all figured out.
>>The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed modes but not
>>all the time.
>
>
> I have about 400 hours behind a KAP140 in a C172SP, the last being about a
> year and a half ago. IIRC, the first time you hit the ALT button, this
> engages the vertical speed hold. If you hit the ALT button again, it will
> engage the altitude hold. Hit the ALT again and it toggles back to VS
> hold.
>
> The only time this ALT toggle shouldn't work is when the AP is in APR mode
> and you have captured the glideslope. Not sure why this ALT/VS toggle
> didn't work for you every time other than in APR mode.
>
>
>>The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in standby mode. It
>>should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not.
>
>
> If no mode lights are illuminated on the face of the unit, it is in what
> you are calling "standby mode."
>
>
>>I started pushing buttons and nothing happened.
>
>
> You need to first hold the AP button for three or four seconds to engage
> the AP (at which time it will engage wing leveler mode). At that point you
> can then select the mode you desire.
>
> This engage delay was purposely introduced by Bendix King approximately
> five years ago in response to a C182 accident in England where the pilot
> mistakenly engaged the AP on the ground when his knuckle hit the AP button
> as he slid the throttle forward during the run-up (the investigation
> surmised).
>
> At that point, the AP dialed full nose up trim without the pilot's
> knowledge. He took off, the aircraft immediately went nose-up, stalled,
> then went straight into the runway. The accident killed the married
> couple.
>
>
Peter,
The instructor next to me helped me along with the stuff. He let me
struggle a little before giving me a hint. I need to go out on my own
now and get comfortable with operation of the KAP-140.
Michelle

[Michelle]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> Michelle wrote:
>
>>A few more flights with someone to look for traffic and cumulus granitus
>>and I should be all set. Anyone want to be scared to death and ride >shotgun?
>
>
>
> I'm in! I'm not current though... :^( , but if you just need a
> pair of eyes and someone that'll land the plane if push comes to shove,
>
> I'm your man and lunch is on me! email me your phone number if it's a
> go.
> chaisone(at)yahoo.com Change [ at to @ :^) ]
>
> The Monk
>

It may be a few weeks or more before I get back into the plane. I am
pursuing a new bigger better flying job and I got a lead on another one
yesterday. No promises.

Michelle

[Michelle]

Martin Hotze wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 02:41:37 GMT, Michelle wrote:
>
>
>>Diamond Star (
>>180 HP four place).
>
>
> the diesel?
> how did you like the DA40 (compared to the Cessnas and Pipers, besides the
> G1000)?
>
> #m
No,
It has a 180 HP Lycoming.

The DA-40 is different. The biggest problem is the canopy design. We
were flying into the sun nd there is no place for sun visors. In the
summer they say it gets quite hot. Cockpit ventilation is quite good but
noisy.
The seats do not move the Rudder pedals do.
Flying the thing is different as well. Center stick and long thin wings.
I like the center stick it seems to make flying more natural. The long
thin wings make it float. Carry too much speed on final and you will
land much further down the runway than desired.

Lap room is limited. I could not put my Jepp book in my lap and fly the
plane. I had to use the instructors Knee board. I usually fly with a
yoke and have plenty of room to lay the book in my lap.

No nose wheel steering. Differential braking is used for directional
control.

I like it. It is different and takes some getting used to.

Michelle

[JJS]

"John Clonts" > wrote in message ...
> Huh?
>

Started celebrating new year's early obviously.



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[Flyingmonk]

>No promises.

No sweat, Michelle. If/when it happens, it happens. Just let me know.
I'll get lunch or dinner :^)

[John Clonts]

"Jack" > wrote in message m...
> John Clonts wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>
>>>>One problem, too much head in the
>>>>cockpit. There is a lot to look at and comprehend. Very different from
>>>>flying steam gauges.
>
> Sorry, John, but too much head in the cockpit can be bad, even dangerous under some circumstances. Not to
> worry, though, as it is much less of a threat now than in the good old days.
>
> Or were you inquiring about the meaning of the term, "steam gauges" (the round analog instruments) as opposed
> to "glass" (the digital CRT and flat-panel displays)?

No, I was inquiring of NW_PILOT. I was just mildly curious what in the WORLD he meant when he wrote "Plase I
went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to much time inside the cockpit". Or whether
perhaps he is a descendant of James Joyce :)

--
Happy new year,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[Jose]

> The airspeed tape you need to lower the nose to get to a higher indication on the tape and raise the nose to get a lower indication on the tape. Yeah I know raising the nose to slow down and lowering it to speed up is basic. However when your are looking at the tape it is not.

I've never used a tape, but you could think of it like riding a horse -
pull up on the reins to slow down, crouch into the wind to speed up.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.

"Michelle" > wrote in message
k.net...
> The Auto-pilot is another story.
> The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect. However altitude
> navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all figured out.
> The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed modes but not
> all the time.
> The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in standby mode. It
> should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not. I started pushing
> buttons and nothing happened.

[Morgans]

"John Clonts" > wrote
>
> No, I was inquiring of NW_PILOT. I was just mildly curious what in the
> WORLD he meant when he wrote "Plase I went to just put you under the hood
> solved & the problem of to much time inside the cockpit".

What he was trying to say, in his own illiterate way, is that by going under
a hood, you will have a safety pilot, and you can concentrate on the
instruments, and learning how to find what you need to interpret.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Michelle" > wrote

> Lap room is limited. I could not put my Jepp book in my lap and fly the
> plane.

What was limiting the lap room? Too close to the panel?
--
Jim in NC

[john smith]

> The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.

https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp

[NW_PILOT]

Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you should
not be flying airplanes "Place"


>
> No, I was inquiring of NW_PILOT. I was just mildly curious what in the
WORLD he meant when he wrote "Plase I
> went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to much time
inside the cockpit". Or whether
> perhaps he is a descendant of James Joyce :)
>
> --
> Happy new year,
> John Clonts
> Temple, Texas
> N7NZ
>
>

[Michelle]

john smith wrote:
>>The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
>
>
> https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
> Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
> atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp
I cannot get there. It appears to be a dealer only page.

Michelle

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:14:16 GMT, Michelle wrote:

>>>The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
>>
>> https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
>> Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
>> atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp
>I cannot get there. It appears to be a dealer only page.

you're right. requires a login.

Aunt google was very friendly (as usual), try this one:
<http://www.uofmflyers.org/pdfs/KAP140Manual.pdf>

:-)

>Michelle

HTH,
#m
--
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Michelle]

Martin Hotze wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:14:16 GMT, Michelle wrote:
>
>
>>>>The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
>>>
>>>https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
>>>Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
>>>atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp
>>
>>I cannot get there. It appears to be a dealer only page.
>
>
> you're right. requires a login.
>
> Aunt google was very friendly (as usual), try this one:
> <http://www.uofmflyers.org/pdfs/KAP140Manual.pdf>
>
> :-)
>
>
>>Michelle
>
>
> HTH,
> #m
I found it just after I posted the message. I should have looked and I
could have saved you the posting.
Thanks for the info. I am going to read it throughly.
Michelle

[John Clonts]

Ok, thanks for that "correction".

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message ...
> Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you should
> not be flying airplanes "Place"
>
>
>>
>> No, I was inquiring of NW_PILOT. I was just mildly curious what in the
> WORLD he meant when he wrote "Plase I
>> went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to much time
> inside the cockpit". Or whether
>> perhaps he is a descendant of James Joyce :)
>>
>> --
>> Happy new year,
>> John Clonts
>> Temple, Texas
>> N7NZ
>>
>>
>
>

[john smith]

In article t>,
Michelle > wrote:

> john smith wrote:
> >>The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
> >
> >
> > https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
> > Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
> > atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp
> I cannot get there. It appears to be a dealer only page.

That's interesting.
I am going to the BK site
Click on SUPPORT at the top of the page
Click on TECHNICAL PUBLICATIONS
Click on PILOT GUIDES
Type in the name or model of guide your are looking for

[John Gaquin]

"John Clonts" > wrote in message

> Ok, thanks for that "correction".

LOL!!! Note the following --

at approx 1AM EST New Years Day, NW Pilot wrote:

>> ..."Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of
>> to >> much time inside the cockpit".

By approx 1600 EST same day, NW Pilot seemed a bit more coherent when he
wrote:

>> Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you
>> should not be flying airplanes "Place"

Are there conclusions to be drawn? Assumptions to be made?

Happy New Year!

[John Clonts]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message ...
>
> "John Clonts" > wrote in message
>
>> Ok, thanks for that "correction".
>
> LOL!!! Note the following --
>
> at approx 1AM EST New Years Day, NW Pilot wrote:
>
>>> ..."Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of to >> much time inside the
>>> cockpit".
>
> By approx 1600 EST same day, NW Pilot seemed a bit more coherent when he wrote:
>
>>> Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you should not be flying airplanes "Place"
>
> Are there conclusions to be drawn? Assumptions to be made?
>
> Happy New Year!

Actually I have great respect for Steve. Though his grammar, sentence structure, and spelling sometimes are
lacking.

Steve, I apologize. You're right, I should have been able to interpolate that typo.

Cheers,
John

[Flyingmonk]

John Gaquin wrote:
>"John Clonts" > wrote in message
>> Ok, thanks for that "correction".

>LOL!!! Note the following --
>at approx 1AM EST New Years Day, NW Pilot wrote:

>>> ..."Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem of
>>> to >> much time inside the cockpit".

>By approx 1600 EST same day, NW Pilot seemed a bit more coherent when >he
>wrote:

>>> Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you
>>> should not be flying airplanes "Place"

>Are there conclusions to be drawn? Assumptions to be made?
>Happy New Year!

I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I'd thought I should keep my
mouth shut.

The Monk

[NW_PILOT]

"John Clonts" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Gaquin" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > "John Clonts" > wrote in message
> >
> >> Ok, thanks for that "correction".
> >
> > LOL!!! Note the following --
> >
> > at approx 1AM EST New Years Day, NW Pilot wrote:
> >
> >>> ..."Plase I went to just put you under the hood solved & the problem
of to >> much time inside the
> >>> cockpit".
> >
> > By approx 1600 EST same day, NW Pilot seemed a bit more coherent when
he wrote:
> >
> >>> Hey dumbass if you cannot think & interpolate for a typo, maybe you
should not be flying airplanes "Place"
> >
> > Are there conclusions to be drawn? Assumptions to be made?
> >
> > Happy New Year!
>
> Actually I have great respect for Steve. Though his grammar, sentence
structure, and spelling sometimes are
> lacking.
>
> Steve, I apologize. You're right, I should have been able to interpolate
that typo.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>

Not a problem and yes, My grammar, sentence structure, and spelling
sometimes are lacking. Sorry for calling you a dumbass!

[BTIZ]

it's a friggin 12 MB pdf file !!!

for those of you still on dial up

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:14:16 GMT, Michelle wrote:
>
>>>>The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
>>>
>>> https://www3.bendixking.com/static/dealerhome/dealerlink.jsp?pageid=/Tech
>>> Pubs/servlet/TechPubsIndexServlet?acctno=WEBTEST&moduleName=TP&topnav=/st
>>> atic/dealerhome/dealer-topnav.jsp
>>I cannot get there. It appears to be a dealer only page.
>
> you're right. requires a login.
>
> Aunt google was very friendly (as usual), try this one:
> <http://www.uofmflyers.org/pdfs/KAP140Manual.pdf>
>
> :-)
>
>>Michelle
>
> HTH,
> #m
> --
> If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
> If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not
> revenge?
> W. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I

[Skywise]

"BTIZ" > wrote in
news:NT0uf.3703$V.2028@fed1read04:

> it's a friggin 12 MB pdf file !!!
>
> for those of you still on dial up

So? I'm stuck with dialup and I routinely download files that big
and larger. Of course, I use a download manager (get right) so I
can break the really big ones up over several days...err...nights
of downloading. Just recently I did one of 336 megs. The largest
was 428 megs.

In case you're wondering, they are high resolution mosaics from
the Mars rovers.

Amazingly, I cannot get DSL or cable where I live - north Orange
County, CA. So, I have to just live with it.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

[Flyingmonk]

Hey Brian,

BTW, my name is Bryan too, but spelled with a y. :^)

>Of course, I use a download manager (get right) so I
can break the really big ones up over several days...err...nights
of downloading.

I'm interested in this program, eventhough I have DSL, it would help if
I can break up large files and then reattach them. If you don't mind
sharing, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
The Monk

[Jay Beckman]

"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> "BTIZ" > wrote in
> news:NT0uf.3703$V.2028@fed1read04:
>
>> it's a friggin 12 MB pdf file !!!
>>
>> for those of you still on dial up
>
> So? I'm stuck with dialup and I routinely download files that big
> and larger. Of course, I use a download manager (get right) so I
> can break the really big ones up over several days...err...nights
> of downloading. Just recently I did one of 336 megs. The largest
> was 428 megs.
>
> In case you're wondering, they are high resolution mosaics from
> the Mars rovers.
>
> Amazingly, I cannot get DSL or cable where I live - north Orange
> County, CA. So, I have to just live with it.
>
> Brian

No microwave available?

Jay Beckman

[BTIZ]

go to dish network and use there internet connection?


"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> "BTIZ" > wrote in
> news:NT0uf.3703$V.2028@fed1read04:
>
>> it's a friggin 12 MB pdf file !!!
>>
>> for those of you still on dial up
>
> So? I'm stuck with dialup and I routinely download files that big
> and larger. Of course, I use a download manager (get right) so I
> can break the really big ones up over several days...err...nights
> of downloading. Just recently I did one of 336 megs. The largest
> was 428 megs.
>
> In case you're wondering, they are high resolution mosaics from
> the Mars rovers.
>
> Amazingly, I cannot get DSL or cable where I live - north Orange
> County, CA. So, I have to just live with it.
>
> Brian
> --
> http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
> Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
> Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
> Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

[Thomas Borchert]

Martin,

> the diesel?
>

The diesel has 135 hp and is not yet available in the US. The
180-hp-variant is powered by a Lycoming.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

I meant to give a link before, but hit "Send" too quick. I've been able to
find a user guide, for pretty much every piece of avionics that I've looked
for, in PDF format on the Internet, including the G1000 (in fact many
various G1000 manuals). If you're looking for something, someone, somewhere,
probably has it online. As others have stated, google is your friend.

"newsgroups.comcast.net" > wrote in message
...
> The KAP140 Pilots Guide in PDF format, is on the Internet.
>
> "Michelle" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> > The Auto-pilot is another story.
> > The HDG,NAV and APR button work as one would expect. However altitude
> > navigation is confusing. I am still not sure i have it all figured out.
> > The ALT button toggles between alt hold and Vertical speed modes but not
> > all the time.
> > The auto-pilot seems like it is on but is really in standby mode. It
> > should indicate it is in standby mode but it does not. I started pushing
> > buttons and nothing happened.
>
>

[Mike Schumann]

It's too bad that they aren't selling the diesel here. That would be the
one thing that would tempt me to buy one.

Mike Schumann

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Martin,
>
>> the diesel?
>>
>
> The diesel has 135 hp and is not yet available in the US. The
> 180-hp-variant is powered by a Lycoming.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[Flyingmonk]

I looked and couldn't find the link to the G1000 manual. Care to post
it? Thank you.

The Monk

[Flyingmonk]

Thank you Martin! Much appreciated.

The Monk

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=1&subcategory=59&product=010-G1000-00

should get you started.

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I looked and couldn't find the link to the G1000 manual. Care to post
> it? Thank you.
>
> The Monk
>

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

or better,

http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=1&subcategory=59&product=All


"newsgroups.comcast.net" > wrote in message
...
>
http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=1&subcategory=59&product=010-G1000-00
>
> should get you started.
>
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > I looked and couldn't find the link to the G1000 manual. Care to post
> > it? Thank you.
> >
> > The Monk
> >
>
>

[Jim Macklin]

I hear it is coming but they have to establish a service
network and have trained mechanics.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Mike Schumann" > wrote in
message
ink.net...
| It's too bad that they aren't selling the diesel here.
That would be the
| one thing that would tempt me to buy one.
|
| Mike Schumann
|
| "Thomas Borchert" > wrote in
message
| ...
| > Martin,
| >
| >> the diesel?
| >>
| >
| > The diesel has 135 hp and is not yet available in the
US. The
| > 180-hp-variant is powered by a Lycoming.
| >
| > --
| > Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
| >
|
|

[Flyingmonk]

Thank you much!

The Monk

[Jim Macklin]

No problem, I was looking for the G1000 manuals, they have
them for everything, Mooney, Beech, Cessna, a hundred PDF
files free to download. Love the cable, used FreshDownload
to get then all while I was taking a shower, give yourself a
few hours if on DSL and a week on dial-up. But they look
very useful.
http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=All&subcategory=All&product=All


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Thank you much!
|
| The Monk
|

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

You're welcome. Let me know if there are any other manuals you're looking
for. Google is your friend. (so is a vendors search function) ;)

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thank you much!
>
> The Monk
>

[Skywise]

"BTIZ" > wrote in news:Wt3uf.3771$V.395@fed1read04:

> go to dish network and use there internet connection?

I can find nothing on Dish Network's website for satellite
internet. They do offer a discount for Earthlink DSL or
dial-up if you have their satellite TV service.

There is DirecWay from DirecTV, but it's $600 up front for
equipment, and $100/month for the first 15 months (required
service agreement) then drops to $70/month. No thanks.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

[Peter Clark]

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:20:42 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote:

>No problem, I was looking for the G1000 manuals, they have
>them for everything, Mooney, Beech, Cessna, a hundred PDF
>files free to download. Love the cable, used FreshDownload
>to get then all while I was taking a shower, give yourself a
>few hours if on DSL and a week on dial-up. But they look
>very useful.
> http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=All&subcategory=All&product=All

They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase (~$3.99) -
http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the pulldown for the G1000
stuff.

[Michelle]

Peter Clark wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:20:42 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>No problem, I was looking for the G1000 manuals, they have
>>them for everything, Mooney, Beech, Cessna, a hundred PDF
>>files free to download. Love the cable, used FreshDownload
>>to get then all while I was taking a shower, give yourself a
>>few hours if on DSL and a week on dial-up. But they look
>>very useful.
>> http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=All&subcategory=All&product=All
>
>
> They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase (~$3.99) -
> http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the pulldown for the G1000
> stuff.

the requirements for the simulator are not light.
1.8 Ghz processor and the more ram the better. 1280 X 1024 Screen.
Dual screen mode (PFD/MFD on separate monitors) is not supported. I
asked and tried.

Michelle (I have a copy)

[Flyingmonk]

>They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase (~$3.99) - http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the >pulldown for the G1000 stuff.

I haven't ventured into IFR or instrument rating yet, VFR only. This
will be a great way to start!

Thank you both Peter and Jim. :^)

The Monk

[Jay Beckman]

"Michelle" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Peter Clark wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:20:42 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No problem, I was looking for the G1000 manuals, they have them for
>>>everything, Mooney, Beech, Cessna, a hundred PDF files free to download.
>>>Love the cable, used FreshDownload to get then all while I was taking a
>>>shower, give yourself a few hours if on DSL and a week on dial-up. But
>>>they look very useful.
>>> http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=All&subcategory=All&product=All
>>
>>
>> They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase (~$3.99) -
>> http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the pulldown for the G1000
>> stuff.
>
> the requirements for the simulator are not light.
> 1.8 Ghz processor and the more ram the better. 1280 X 1024 Screen.
> Dual screen mode (PFD/MFD on separate monitors) is not supported. I asked
> and tried.
>
> Michelle (I have a copy)

Michelle,

Is it a download once you pay ... or do they ship a disc?

Jay

[Peter Clark]

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:14:24 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
wrote:

>Is it a download once you pay ... or do they ship a disc?

They ship a disk.

Mine came with the aircraft.

[Jay Beckman]

"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:14:24 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
> wrote:
>
>>Is it a download once you pay ... or do they ship a disc?
>
> They ship a disk.
>
> Mine came with the aircraft.

Don't suppose they'd consider doing it the other way around would they?

Ship a disc wrapped in an airplane?

:O)

Jay

[Flyingmonk]

>You're welcome.

Thank you again.

>Let me know if there are any other manuals you're looking for.

Much appreciated. That's enough on my plate for now, a lot of
digesting to do already. :^)

>Google is your friend. (so is a vendors search function) ;)

Somtimes, but for some, such as myself, even Google is frightening.
:^)

The Monk

[George Patterson]

Skywise wrote:

> Amazingly, I cannot get DSL or cable where I live - north Orange
> County, CA. So, I have to just live with it.

What about satellite dish?

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Jim Macklin]

Darn, I have a 1.7 GHz Celeron. But I can buy a P4 478
socket 2.8 GHz chip if I needed to.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Michelle" > wrote
in message
ink.net...
| Peter Clark wrote:
| > On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:20:42 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
| > > wrote:
| >
| >
| >>No problem, I was looking for the G1000 manuals, they
have
| >>them for everything, Mooney, Beech, Cessna, a hundred
PDF
| >>files free to download. Love the cable, used
FreshDownload
| >>to get then all while I was taking a shower, give
yourself a
| >>few hours if on DSL and a week on dial-up. But they
look
| >>very useful.
| >>
http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp?market=All&subcategory=All&product=All
| >
| >
| > They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase
(~$3.99) -
| > http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the pulldown for
the G1000
| > stuff.
|
| the requirements for the simulator are not light.
| 1.8 Ghz processor and the more ram the better. 1280 X 1024
Screen.
| Dual screen mode (PFD/MFD on separate monitors) is not
supported. I
| asked and tried.
|
| Michelle (I have a copy)

[Jim Macklin]

Have fun. I plan to win the lottery soon, as soon as it is
big enough so I can buy a G58 Baron and a G36 Bonanza and a
Legend Cub for flying fun.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| >They even have the simulator/trainer for purchase
(~$3.99) - http://shop.garmin.com - scroll down in the
>pulldown for the G1000 stuff.
|
| I haven't ventured into IFR or instrument rating yet, VFR
only. This
| will be a great way to start!
|
| Thank you both Peter and Jim. :^)
|
| The Monk
|

[Flyingmonk]

Jim wrote:
>Have fun. I plan to win the lottery soon, as soon as it is
>big enough so I can buy a G58 Baron and a G36 Bonanza and a
>Legend Cub for flying fun.

If.when you win, can I be your hanger boy w/ flying benefits?

The Monk

[Jim Macklin]

Maybe, but you have to live near where I'll live. You also
have to be an NRA Life member for at least 5 years.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Jim wrote:
| >Have fun. I plan to win the lottery soon, as soon as it
is
| >big enough so I can buy a G58 Baron and a G36 Bonanza and
a
| >Legend Cub for flying fun.
|
| If.when you win, can I be your hanger boy w/ flying
benefits?
|
| The Monk
|

[Thomas Borchert]

Mike,

it's all about product support. Diamond has been bitten before by
introducing an uncommon, though superior engine (the Rotax on the
Katana).

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Dan Foster]

In article >, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> Peter Clark > wrote:
>
>> >Is it a download once you pay ... or do they ship a disc?
>>
>> They ship a disk.
>>
>> Mine came with the aircraft.
>
> I'd love to have a plane attached to the next cd-rom I order. :-))

Horrendous shipping and storage charges, though. :-)

-Dan

[Michelle]

Morgans wrote:
> "Michelle" > wrote
>
>
>>Lap room is limited. I could not put my Jepp book in my lap and fly the
>>plane.
>
>
> What was limiting the lap room? Too close to the panel?
The center stick is at the front edge of your seat.

Michelle

[Michelle]

George Patterson wrote:
> Skywise wrote:
>
>> Amazingly, I cannot get DSL or cable where I live - north Orange
>> County, CA. So, I have to just live with it.
>
>
> What about satellite dish?
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

Where I live Satellite is the only option. It works. Latency is higher
download speeds are higher than dial-up. Connections are more reliable.
I have had one for about five years.

Michelle

[Mike Schumann]

I understand why they are doing this. It's just frustrating how slowly the
diesel technology is being adopted.

Mike Schumann

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Mike,
>
> it's all about product support. Diamond has been bitten before by
> introducing an uncommon, though superior engine (the Rotax on the
> Katana).
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[George Patterson]

Mike Schumann wrote:

> It's too bad that they aren't selling the diesel here. That would be the
> one thing that would tempt me to buy one.

You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money to buy
and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Jose]

> The diesels cost significantly more money to buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.

but isn't the engine lighter, leading to more payload?

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money to
> buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.


100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?
Couple that with performance (fuel burn) numbers and the choice is obvious -
a double savings.

Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price -
small market, and shrinking!

Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building them
and the prices *should* fall.


Montblacksootyexhaust
1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

[Flyingmonk]

Montblack wrote:
>Montblacksootyexhaust
>1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

Perfect candidate for greasel :^)

The Monk

[Lakeview Bill]

You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas, not
to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new light
sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.

Your statement that "Diesels are the future" is just as true today as it was
in 1983, when I was given a diesel-powered company car. Diesel was "the
future" then, just as it is today, and just as it probably will still be 20
years from now.




"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("George Patterson" wrote)
> > You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money
to
> > buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.
>
>
> 100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?
> Couple that with performance (fuel burn) numbers and the choice is
obvious -
> a double savings.
>
> Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price -
> small market, and shrinking!
>
> Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building them
> and the prices *should* fall.
>
>
> Montblacksootyexhaust
> 1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.
>

[George Patterson]

Martin Hotze wrote:

> and there are many areas in the world with significant price differences
> between A1 and 100LL.

That's why the diesels are so popular in Europe. But we were discussing the fact
that they aren't available in the U.S., where there isn't a significant difference.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Montblack]

("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
> You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
> not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
> light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the GA
fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294>
Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy

"Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under $300,000.
First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer deliveries
expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and hydraulic
constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for the
P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent for
Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the training
market."

The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it decided
in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
Twin Rotax 912's


Montblack
DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

[George Patterson]

Montblack wrote:

> 100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?

Not around here. AirNav shows a current price of $4.10 for gas versus $4.02 for
jet-A at Somerset. The greatest difference I see in the area is about 12% at
Solberg, and those prices are several months old. Jet-A is also unavailable at
about half the airports in this area. Several of these airports would like to
offer it but can't get permits to sell it.

> Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price
> - small market, and shrinking!

Most people firmly believe that there will be a replacement for 100LL in the
near future. This belief is reassured by researchers and representatives of the
fuel manufacturers who present seminars on the subject at places like Oshkosh.
You can believe otherwise if you like, but few people will spend lots of money
gambling that they won't be able to get gasoline for their plane.

> Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building
> them and the prices *should* fall.

Not enough. Diesels are more expensive to build than the equivalent gas engine
and will remain so simply because of the higher compression ratio.

I agree that diesels are the future, but the demand for them isn't there in the
States. That is also in the future.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Dave Stadt]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
> > You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
> > not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
> > light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.
>
>
> Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA
> fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?
>
>
> <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294>
> Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
> A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy
>
> "Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
> announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
> P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under
$300,000.
> First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer
deliveries
> expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and
hydraulic
> constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for
the
> P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
> 1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
> pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
> the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent
for
> Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the
training
> market."
>
> The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
> engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
> designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it
decided
> in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
> only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."
>
> http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
> Twin Rotax 912's
>
>
> Montblack
> DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

Another company making a mistake and installing Rotax engines with their
unobtainum customer support.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
>> You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
>> not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
>> light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.
>
>
> Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
> GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?
>

A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.

[Morgans]

"Michelle" > wrote

> The center stick is at the front edge of your seat.


Duhh! I keep forgetting Maule.

Is it possible to rig it as a kneeboard? Too big, probably, huh?
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
>> Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
>> GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?

> A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.


I wonder what it is: If you eliminate Class B and Class C airport fuel
sales, how much Jet-A is sold vs. 100LL everywhere else? (Mogas planes are
on their own)


Montblack

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:

> Duhh! I keep forgetting Maule.

Michelle must be referring to the stick in the Diamond Star. Maules have yokes.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Flyingmonk]

Margy wrote:
>The center stick is at the front edge of your seat.

I first thought that it was a shared stick, but only one between the
two seats at front edge. Now I can picture how one might not have the
lap room if it has two sticks (one in front of each seat).

The Monk

[Morgans]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:8uHuf.327$q26.33@trnddc03...
> Morgans wrote:
>
>> Duhh! I keep forgetting Maule.
>
> Michelle must be referring to the stick in the Diamond Star. Maules have
> yokes.

See? I live in a state of confusion!

That does make sense, since the subject is G-1000. I would have to be
thinking, for it to all add up, and that is definitely not happening today.
This was the first day back in school with students. I think THEY had all
had too much coffee, today!
--
Jim in NC

[Flyingmonk]

Jim wrote:
>This was the first day back in school with students. I think THEY had all
>had too much coffee, today!

Dropped on of my girls off at school this morning, the other one got
some kind of allergic rash all over. Tried Caladryl Clear, might have
to take her to the doc tomorrow. So you're a teacher, that's noble.
:^)

The Monk

[Morgans]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote

> So you're a teacher, that's noble.
> :^)

Yeah, thanks; I gotta keep reminding myself of that. And plus I teach the
lowest 10%, and put sharp and heavy tools in their hands! (carpentry)
--
Jim in NC

[Flyingmonk]

Shop teacher? Now that's kewl.... Did you ever see that one Saturday
night live skit where a shop teacher saids, "I've been a shop teacher
for four years!" while holding up two full and two half fingers? I
always LMAO over that one. :^)

The Monk

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote
>
>> So you're a teacher, that's noble.
>> :^)
>
> Yeah, thanks; I gotta keep reminding myself of that. And plus I teach the
> lowest 10%, and put sharp and heavy tools in their hands! (carpentry)
> --
> Jim in NC


I took shop in 10th grade (I'm 43 now). Over the holidays I ran into my shop
teacher in Wal-Mart. I told him I was building a plane. If you listen real
close you can probably still hear him laughing.

Gig G

[Dylan Smith]

On 2006-01-03, Lakeview Bill > wrote:
> Your statement that "Diesels are the future" is just as true today as it was
> in 1983, when I was given a diesel-powered company car. Diesel was "the
> future" then, just as it is today, and just as it probably will still be 20
> years from now.

At least here, diesels are the present (and have been for at least a
decade). For car diesels, it can be difficult to tell you're driving a
diesel - they accelerate like a gasoline powered car, they are no
noisier than a gasoline powered car, they are not smoky and thanks to
ultra low sulphur diesel and Biodiesel are not the polluting, smoky
things of 1983. They also get much better fuel economy (particularly in
start/stop traffic).

As for aviation, it isn't just the price difference between 100LL and
diesel - consider that the Diamond Twin Star has better performance than
a Piper Seminole, but with the fuel burn of a 172.

--
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[Michelle]

Morgans wrote:
> "Michelle" > wrote
>
>
>>The center stick is at the front edge of your seat.
>
>
>
> Duhh! I keep forgetting Maule.
>
> Is it possible to rig it as a kneeboard? Too big, probably, huh?
The Maule has a yoke. lap space is not a problem.
The Diamond Star has the center stick.
Michelle

[Thomas Borchert]

George,

> . The diesels cost significantly more money to buy
>

Where did you get that idea? Take another look at the Diamond Europe
price list.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jose,

> but isn't the engine lighter, leading to more payload?
>

Nope.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jose]

>>but isn't the engine lighter, leading to more payload?
>
> Nope.

Is the fuel lighter, or does it use less fuel per mile or per hour (for
the same power)? I seem to remember two things about considering a
diesel conversion for our Dakota - that the engine would need to be
moved far forward to preserve CG, and that because of performance, we'd
get more range.

Jose
--
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[George Patterson]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> Shop teacher? Now that's kewl.... Did you ever see that one Saturday
> night live skit where a shop teacher saids, "I've been a shop teacher
> for four years!" while holding up two full and two half fingers? I
> always LMAO over that one. :^)

A friend of mine once asked for instructions on how to use his new circular saw.
I wrote up a set for him. It started with "The main objective is to retain all
your appendages."

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Robert M. Gary]

We're getting a G1000 equipped C182 in a couple months for CAP. I'm
scheduled to be one of the instructor pilots for it (probably because
I'm young :) ). Interestingly CAP elected NOT to purchase an autopilot
with the aircraft.

-Robert

[Peter R.]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> Interestingly CAP elected NOT to purchase an autopilot
> with the aircraft.

Interesting. I thought that an AP was included in the cost of the G1000,
or what I thought Cessna called the Nav III, package. I didn't realize
that you could reduce the price of a Nav III package by declining it.

--
Peter

[Peter Clark]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:22:54 -0500, "Peter R." >
wrote:

>"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>
>> Interestingly CAP elected NOT to purchase an autopilot
>> with the aircraft.
>
>Interesting. I thought that an AP was included in the cost of the G1000,
>or what I thought Cessna called the Nav III, package. I didn't realize
>that you could reduce the price of a Nav III package by declining it.

For the 182 and 206 I thought it was too. The 172R NAV III doesn't
include A/P, the 172S does.

[Robert M. Gary]

I think our 182's are a little different. We have a custom database
that includes search grids as well as a couple other differences. The
factory training is also being offered as specific to CAP. I guess if
you buy 182's in bulk you get more choices.

-Robert

[Thomas Borchert]

Robert,

> Interestingly CAP elected NOT to purchase an autopilot
> with the aircraft.
>

That's not interesting, it's dumb, in my view. Autopilots add too much
safety to not buy one in a plane of that category and for that kind of
use.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jose,

> Is the fuel lighter, or does it use less fuel per mile or per hour (for
> the same power)?
>

Diesel has more energy per weight than Avgas. And the modern diesel
engines use less fuel for the same power. Much less. But the engines, at
least the ones certificated, are not lighter. Some are heavier than
comparable Avgas engines.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Peter R.]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> I think our 182's are a little different. We have a custom database
> that includes search grids as well as a couple other differences. The
> factory training is also being offered as specific to CAP. I guess if
> you buy 182's in bulk you get more choices.

Wouldn't an AP enhance the aircraft's utility for CAP's use?

--
Peter

[Tauno Voipio]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Jose,
>
>>Is the fuel lighter, or does it use less fuel per mile or per hour (for
>>the same power)?
>
>
> Diesel has more energy per weight than Avgas. And the modern diesel
> engines use less fuel for the same power. Much less. But the engines, at
> least the ones certificated, are not lighter. Some are heavier than
> comparable Avgas engines.


The thermal energy per weight unit is roughly the same for
all hydro-carbon liquids, AVGAS and JET-A1 (used by aviation
diesels) included.

What makes for the better fuel economy of a Diesel engine (compared
to the gasoline engine Otto process) is from two sources:

- the greater compression ratio makes an ideal thermal
engine (Carnot process) work with better efficiency,

- the long combustion in a Diesel engine makes the process
approximate the ideal process better (constant pressure).

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

[Flyingmonk]

Jim Macklin wrote:
>Maybe, but you have to live near where I'll live. You also
>have to be an NRA Life member for at least 5 years.

NRA ten plus, but I think I didn't pay my last due. Have plenty of
toys that go Bang! :^)

The Monk

[Morgans]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote

> And the modern diesel
> engines use less fuel for the same power. Much less. But the engines, at
> least the ones certificated, are not lighter. Some are heavier than
> comparable Avgas engines.

It can be argued that an aviation diesel can be much smaller than an
aviation gas engine, displacement wise, and still perform the same. The
superior torque of a diesel, plus the longer duration of the power stroke
just seems to turn a prop better. Thus, you can come closer with the weight
comparison.
--
Jim in NC

[Robert M. Gary]

I would certainly think so. However, I wasn't consulted. I assume it
came down to money.

[Jim Macklin]

Life member since 1968, don't have to pay every year that
way. Bought my boys and wife life memberships too. Don't
have many toys today, will buy that Legend Cub someday. The
odds of winning the lottery are about 160 million to 1, damn
near a sure thing.

Can't afford the new AOPA life member option until I win
that lottery, but I am also EAA Life with a fairly low
number.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| >Maybe, but you have to live near where I'll live. You
also
| >have to be an NRA Life member for at least 5 years.
|
| NRA ten plus, but I think I didn't pay my last due. Have
plenty of
| toys that go Bang! :^)
|
| The Monk
|

[Jose]

> but I am also EAA Life with a fairly low
> number.

What was that? You're an EAA low life? :)

Jose
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