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four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?

> wrote in message
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> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
> who makes them, who retails 'em?

A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears

[Fred May]

They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant
find them.
Regards
Phredd


wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>
>>who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>
> A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears
>
>

[[email protected]]

Many years ago, I bought a number of "square" sockets from Sear's
discount tool bin. I think I paid a quarter each for them. Don't have
the foggiest clue as to why I bought them - never have had a use for
them. I guess the price (cheap) and the tool-affliction I was born with
had something to do with it. Never have seen them since, although I
have never really looked. Don't really shop at Sears very much any more.

[[email protected]]

Got my last ones off the Snap-On truck. If you need them for running
in taps or square headed set screws just use a 12 point. Between
metric and SAE there always seems to be one that fits well enough.
===============
Leon McAtee

[Ecnerwal]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
> who makes them, who retails 'em?

Never seen a 4 - they are generally made as 8 point, and everyone that
made sockets from Craftsman on up had them a few decades back, though
one sometimes had to special order them. Have not really been paying
attention lately, I'd guess they might be a bit more limited in supply
these days. Last time I needed one (~5 years ago), I got it over the
counter at the local industrial supply house. Don't recall what brand it
was. If you search for 8 rather than 4 point you'll probably find them...

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

[Brian Lawson]

On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:

>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
>who makes them, who retails 'em?


For square headed nuts and bolts etc, they are not called "four
point". They are called "8 point".

Lots of companies make them, and lots more sell them.

Google on "8 point sockets" (not "eight point sockets"), and right
after Snap-on, it's Harbor Freight.

Last set I bought was from a local distributor, made by Gray Tools.

[Michelle]

Fred May wrote:
> They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant
> find them.
> Regards
> Phredd
>
>
> wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>>
>>> who makes them, who retails 'em?
>>
>>
>>
>> A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local
>> Sears
>>
>>
Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them...
Michelle

[Steve]

wrote:

> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
> who makes them, who retails 'em?
>


The *one* use I have for 12-point sockets is that they will also slip on
the head of a 4-sided bolt or drain plug. Of course they don't have a
great contact area (which is exactly the problem I have with 12-point
sockets on 6-sided bolt heads and the reason I only buy 6-point sockets
in general), but they often work better than a crescent or open-end wrench.

[Bret Ludwig]

Wright Tool used to make them, as well as a tool called a Bonney
wrench, in several sizes. The 8-pointers are common from Craftsman.

Heads-up: Craftsman has an industrial catalog with sometimes better
pricing and many tools not available at the retail outlets. They are
very coy about giving the catalogs out but usually the local A&P school
has their 800 number.

[Dale Alexander]

Snap-on does indeed have them and they are 4 point (for those who insist
that they don't exist). I have used them for years to remove filler plugs on
manual transmissions and the like. Also work like a champ on square nuts
used for fences.

Dale Alexander

> >>> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >>>
> >>> who makes them, who retails 'em?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local
> >> Sears
> >>
> >>
> Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them...
> Michelle

[clare at snyder.on.ca]

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:04:44 GMT, Michelle
> wrote:

>Fred May wrote:
>> They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant
>> find them.
>> Regards
>> Phredd
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>>> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>>>
>>>> who makes them, who retails 'em?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local
>>> Sears
>>>
>>>
>Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them...
>Michelle

There were several sizes of square sockets supplied for adjusting
brakes - Lockheed or Girling IIRC. My old Mini required one of them.
Can't remember which other odball car I owned required another
(different sized). The 8 poit Craftsman sockets worked if the
adjusters were well lubed and not started to seize.

[Stephen H]

Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.



--
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ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

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> wrote in message
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> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
> who makes them, who retails 'em?
>

[Flyingmonk]

Stephen wrote:
>I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from.

Was your Dodge made by our friends south of the border? :^) (just
joking)

The Monk

[Stephen H]

It was on the motor mount, I figured out it didn't have to come off anyways;
but I was tempted to remove it anyways and put on a real one just to have
that one. Looked like one of those practical joke tools.



--
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ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

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http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Stephen wrote:
>>I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from.
>
> Was your Dodge made by our friends south of the border? :^) (just
> joking)
>
> The Monk
>

[Morgans]

"Stephen H" > wrote in message
...
> Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and
> the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real
> hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
> Where the hell did that come from.

Oh, hell. I guess I had better get prepared for that!

Where at (the bolt) and what year?
--
Jim in NC

[Stephen H]

older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think
2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same
direction the cam did)
Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a
Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet!


--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm
http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Stephen H" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and
>> the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked
>> real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>> Where the hell did that come from.
>
> Oh, hell. I guess I had better get prepared for that!
>
> Where at (the bolt) and what year?
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Morgans]

"Stephen H" > wrote in message
...
>
> older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think
> 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same
> direction the cam did)
> Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a
> Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet!

Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I
would end up using! <g>

Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all!
--
Jim in NC

[Roger]

On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:

>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>
>who makes them, who retails 'em?


Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))
I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually
the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather
then getting the nut off.

Good luck,

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Wayne Cook]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
wrote:

>Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
>20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
>at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>Where the hell did that come from.

Probably needed a Torx socket. These are becoming more common
slowly. I know that Briggs and Techumseh are using them on carb bolts
now.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

[N8N]

Roger wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>
> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >
> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>
> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))
> I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually
> the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather
> then getting the nut off.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

I don't know about more modern cars, but on my old Studebakers there's
quite a few pipe plugs that have square heads.

nate

[Andy Dingley]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
wrote:

>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

[Brent Philion]

Leatherman Multitools

My wave has a 5 point security bit

Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>>Where the hell did that come from.
>
>
> Fire hydrant ?
>

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article . com>,
says...

>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>who makes them, who retails 'em?

My craftsman tool set came with a few square sockets. I haven't checked, but I
would assume that they also sell them individualy.
---------------
Alex

"Fred May" > wrote in message
news:PGAuf.5198$WX3.947@trndny09...
> They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant
> find them.
> Regards
> Phredd
>
>
> wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> >>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >>
> >>who makes them, who retails 'em?
> >
> > A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local
Sears


Phredd sed: "perhaps that is why you cant find them"

Just like I said "A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set". Alex
seems to have the same set. Is there a problem?

[Andy Asberry]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
wrote:

>Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
>20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
>at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>Where the hell did that come from.

The electric company uses them here to secure the lids on in-ground
boxes. Regular 1/2" bolt with pentagon head.

[DoN. Nichols]

According to Roger >:
> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>
> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >
> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>
> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))

If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted
to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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[MOP CAP]

This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat".
Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2"
drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone
except for the one I kept.

Chuck P.

[Jim Carriere]

Morgans wrote:
> "Stephen H" > wrote in message
> ...
>> older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think
>> 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same
>> direction the cam did)
>> Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a
>> Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet!
>
> Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I
> would end up using! <g>
>
> Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all!

BF oxy acetylene, LF dremel :)

[Flyingmonk]

What're BF, BFH and LF?

The Monk

[Jim Carriere]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> What're BF, BFH and LF?
>
> The Monk

Well B is big, F is not for polite conversation, H is hammer, L is
little. Hope this (F) helps :)

[Bruce L. Bergman]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
> wrote:
>Andy Dingley wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
>> wrote:
>
>>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>>>Where the hell did that come from.
>>
>> Fire hydrant ?
>
>Leatherman Multitools
>My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the <ahem> excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

--<< Bruce >>--

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

[Flyingmonk]

It sure (F) cleared things up for me :^)

The Monk

[Drew Dalgleish]

You weren't trying to loosen the hood ornament were you? ;-)


>Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
>20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
>at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>Where the hell did that come from.
>
>
>
>--
>Stephen W. Hansen
>ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
>ASE Undercar Specialist
>
>http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm
>http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/
>
>
>
>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>
>> who makes them, who retails 'em?
>>
>
>

[Roger]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:46:26 +0000, (DoN.
Nichols) wrote:

>According to Roger >:
>> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>>
>> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>> >
>> >who makes them, who retails 'em?

Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for
years either. I think every really old Ford came with one.

>>
>>
>> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))
>
> If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted

Headers?

>to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup.
>

You must work on some really "old" cars<:-))

I Haven's seen farmer bolts since I quit farming wayyyy back in the
early 60s. I figured there had to be a better way to make a living,
or at least one more to my liking. Now I'm really paying for all
those sun burns.

Actually, the last wind mill tower I took apart had farmer bolts (the
twist off type) holding it together. (last summer and yes, it was a
very old tower)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

[Erik]

In article >,
MOP CAP > wrote:

> This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat".
> Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2"
> drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone
> except for the one I kept.
>
> Chuck P.

I ended up with a complete set of (as in every 8 point socket Craftsman
makes) many years ago now. I have them all together on one of those
'socket rail' gimmicks hanging way up on the back edge of the peg board.

I probably on average have a use for any of them every other year or so,
but can recall them 'saving the day' a few times... mostly dealing with
old square head lag bolts, and turning big 1/2" easy outs doing plumbing
work. A good friend/neighbor had borrowed and used them more than I
have, but doing the same kind of things. They're probably at least 30
plus years old now, and still look new...

The 'lead in chamfers' are a bit excessive on most of them... seems
every time I do use them I think I'd like to do something about that.

Erik

[Stephen H]

That Makes sense.


Steve



"Bruce L. Bergman" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
> > wrote:
>>Andy Dingley wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>>>>Where the hell did that come from.
>>>
>>> Fire hydrant ?
>>
>>Leatherman Multitools
>>My wave has a 5 point security bit
>
> 5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
> designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
> the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
> Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
> send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
> Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.
>
> Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
> those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
> mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
> the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
> the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
> on the freeway at speed...
>
> (And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
> mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)
>
> Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
> there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
> reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
> called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
> there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.
>
> It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.
>
> Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
> streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
> inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
> than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
> meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
> so I can work on the pole without the <ahem> excitement factor.
>
> I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
> type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> --
> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

[Brent Philion]

the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue

you CAN work around them but unless you know where and how to find the
right tool to tear apart something that shouldnt be tampered with odds
are you shouldnt be tampering with it

you CAN rig up a manhole Lidlifter for example but there is a reason
manholes are not easy to lift

12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high
voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a
telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one.



Stephen H wrote:
> That Makes sense.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> "Bruce L. Bergman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
> wrote:
>>
>>>Andy Dingley wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" >
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
>>>>>Where the hell did that come from.
>>>>
>>>>Fire hydrant ?
>>>
>>>Leatherman Multitools
>>>My wave has a 5 point security bit
>>
>> 5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
>>designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
>>the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
>>Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
>>send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
>>Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.
>>
>> Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
>>those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
>>mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
>>the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
>>the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
>>on the freeway at speed...
>>
>> (And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
>>mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)
>>
>> Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
>>there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
>>reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
>>called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
>>there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.
>>
>> It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.
>>
>> Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
>>streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
>>inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
>>than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
>>meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
>>so I can work on the pole without the <ahem> excitement factor.
>>
>> I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
>>type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P
>>
>> --<< Bruce >>--
>>
>>--
>>Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
>>Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
>>5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
>>Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.
>
>
>

[Roger]

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:37:32 -0500, Roger
> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:46:26 +0000, (DoN.
>Nichols) wrote:
>
>>According to Roger >:
>>> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>>>
>>> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>> >
>>> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for
>years either. I think every really old Ford came with one.

Good GAWD, I need a new keyboard, or should get a good night's sleep
before trying to type. Either that or I should quit drinking Vernors
while trying to type.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bruce L. Bergman]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:16:09 -0500, Brent Philion
> wrote:

>the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue
>
>you CAN work around them but unless you know where and how to find the
>right tool to tear apart something that shouldnt be tampered with odds
>are you shouldnt be tampering with it
>
>you CAN rig up a manhole Lid lifter for example but there is a reason
>manholes are not easy to lift

Yeah - cause they're also really hard on your toes if you drop them.
It's like a Rigger, you have to keep your feet out of the "No Zone".
And steel-toes don't help at all if it's your ankle in the way.

>12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high
>voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a
>telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one.

Actually, voltage concerns are not a big problem with telecom
manholes - everything down there is Class 2 Current Limited. Some of
the carrier circuits have 300V or more on them, but most is -48V DC.

Bad air from oxygen depletion or hydrogen sulphide and explosive
vapors are a much more imminent hazard, and all you need to do to get
killed by them is climb inside without testing and ventilating the
space first. I was a construction splicer for 8 years.

Everything involved with telephones is bonded and grounded 47 ways
from Sunday. The only holes we had to worry about power were ones
located directly under the path of a high-tension transmission line,
and they simply wanted us to keep the bonding straps connected at each
cable end at all times, and hook up temporary grounds to the racking
(instead of leaving them open for the day) and setup our work
positions sitting on a rubber blanket with HV Lineman Gloves at the
ready "just in case" we had to bail out in an emergency.

--<< Bruce >>--

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[wright1902glider]

I USE "FARMER BOLTS' !!!

And they're damn hard to find these days. Of course, I use 'em on a
ship that was designed 103 years ago... I use 8-point sockets or a
cresent wrench on them, but they're 10-32 & 1/4" and pretty easy to get
at.


Harry


Roger wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>
> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >
> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>
> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))

[Morgans]

"Bruce L. Bergman" > wrote

> Bad air from oxygen depletion or hydrogen sulphide and explosive
> vapors are a much more imminent hazard, and all you need to do to get
> killed by them is climb inside without testing and ventilating the
> space first.

Yep, there is a reason you need a permit to climb down into such places.
There are dangers that can kill, if you do not have the proper training.
--
Jim in NC

[habbi]

You have a few in your socket set. I had to remove a square head pipe plug
so I put the 1/4" Allen driver bit into the ratchet and then put the 1/4"
socket on it backwards so you are driving with the part that normally goes
on the ratchet. It will work for 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" with the adapters in
most socket sets.

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>
> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
> >
> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>
>
> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-))
> I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually
> the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather
> then getting the nut off.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[Gunner]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:15:09 -0500, Roger
> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:37:32 -0500, Roger
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:46:26 +0000, (DoN.
>>Nichols) wrote:
>>
>>>According to Roger >:
>>>> On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)
>>>> >
>>>> >who makes them, who retails 'em?
>>
>>Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for
>>years either. I think every really old Ford came with one.
>
>Good GAWD, I need a new keyboard, or should get a good night's sleep
>before trying to type. Either that or I should quit drinking Vernors
>while trying to type.
>
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>www.rogerhalstead.com


Chuckle..I have at least 3 monkey wrenchs in use in my shop. One an
actual Stillson.

I use them to tighten machine vises, not having the proper handle, etc
etc

Gunner

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