New FAA Commercial Astronaut certificate?

[Jimbob]

Are they are creating a new certificate?

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449

And I thought multiengine would be expensive...



Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

[Dan Foster]

In article >, Jimbob > wrote:
> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>
> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>
> And I thought multiengine would be expensive...

Wait 'til you see the fuel costs. :-)

-Dan

[John Gaquin]

"Jimbob" > wrote in message

> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>
> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449

And now, a whole new segment of the population can hear those wonderful
words "I'm from the FAA, and I'm here to help you."

;-)

[Jim Macklin]

Do you need three take-offs and landings to a full stop
before carrying passengers?




"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
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| "Jimbob" > wrote in message
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| > Are they are creating a new certificate?
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| >
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
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| And now, a whole new segment of the population can hear
those wonderful
| words "I'm from the FAA, and I'm here to help you."
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| ;-)
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[George Patterson]

Dan Foster wrote:
> In article >, Jimbob > wrote:
>
>>Are they are creating a new certificate?
>>
>>http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>>
>>And I thought multiengine would be expensive...
>
> Wait 'til you see the fuel costs. :-)

In a few years we'll be calling a breakfast flight a "Million Dollar Muffin" run.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Jimbob]

Just think: Intergalatic TFR's

".3/212052 -FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PLANET EARTH. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC
(MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. SPACECRAFT FLIGHT
OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 3.2 PARSECS OF PLANET WHILE PRESIDENT
BUSH IN RESIDENCE. WIE UNTIL UFN ."


I am curious to know the CTAF for Pluto...


On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:09:41 -0600, Dan Foster >
wrote:

>In article >, Jimbob > wrote:
>> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>>
>> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>>
>> And I thought multiengine would be expensive...
>
>Wait 'til you see the fuel costs. :-)
>
>-Dan

Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

[Eric Bartsch]

Jimbob wrote:
> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>
> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>
> And I thought multiengine would be expensive...
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?

Eric

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> In a few years we'll be calling a breakfast flight a "Million Dollar
> Muffin" run.


Two words:
Sport Astronaut

138 mph/120 kts limits our re-entry options.


Montblastoff

[john smith]

> Do you need three take-offs and landings to a full stop
> before carrying passengers?

What are the required maneuvers for the one-hour of flight to fullfil a
BFR?

[Flyingmonk]

Montblack wrote:
>Two words:
>Sport Astronaut

:^) Where do I sign up?

The Monk

[Jose]

> So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
> 90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?

You have to undock and redock three times first. If you're in shadow,
you have to do it in shadow.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Blanche]

Jimbob > wrote:
>Just think: Intergalatic TFR's
>
>".3/212052 -FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PLANET EARTH. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC
>(MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. SPACECRAFT FLIGHT
>OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 3.2 PARSECS OF PLANET WHILE PRESIDENT
>BUSH IN RESIDENCE. WIE UNTIL UFN ."
>
>I am curious to know the CTAF for Pluto...

Does Lockheed get the FSS contract for this, too?

[Jay Beckman]

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> Jimbob > wrote:
>>Just think: Intergalatic TFR's
>>
>>".3/212052 -FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PLANET EARTH. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC
>>(MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. SPACECRAFT FLIGHT
>>OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 3.2 PARSECS OF PLANET WHILE PRESIDENT
>>BUSH IN RESIDENCE. WIE UNTIL UFN ."
>>
>>I am curious to know the CTAF for Pluto...
>
> Does Lockheed get the FSS contract for this, too?

Yes, but it goes to their Space Systems division...

Jay B

[Flyingmonk]

Martin wrote:
>for God's sake the US has no jurisdiction in outer space.

True, but in between the surface and the outer space? You gotta get
out there somehow right?

The Monk

[Dylan Smith]

On 2006-01-04, john smith > wrote:
>> Do you need three take-offs and landings to a full stop
>> before carrying passengers?
>
> What are the required maneuvers for the one-hour of flight to fullfil a
> BFR?

Setting a stable orbit
Changes of orbital inclination
Docking and undocking procedures
Gravitational slingshots
Atmospheric braking

Additionally, you must make three docking and undocking manoevres to a
full stop every 90 days to be current to carry passengers.

--
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[john smith]

> > ".3/212052 -FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PLANET EARTH. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC
> > (MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. SPACECRAFT FLIGHT
> > OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 3.2 PARSECS OF PLANET WHILE PRESIDENT
> > BUSH IN RESIDENCE. WIE UNTIL UFN ."

> for God's sake the US has no jurisdiction in outer space.

Name another country on the planet has the resources to to control it?
:-))

[john smith]

> > Does Lockheed get the FSS contract for this, too?

> Yes, but it goes to their Space Systems division...

IFR Flight plans for reentry expire following the second orbit after the
filed reentry time. If you do not hit your proposed reentry window you
must refile. No flight below FL600 will be permitted without operating
equipment specified by ICAO for flight in Class A Airspace.

[Jose]

> Name another country on the planet has the resources to to control it?
> :-))

China.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
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[Andrew Gideon]

Jose wrote:

> You have to undock and redock three times first. If you're in shadow,
> you have to do it in shadow.

In that case, each has to be to a full stop.

- Andrew

[Stubby]

Jimbob wrote:
> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>
> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>
> And I thought multiengine would be expensive...
>

Maybe not. I found out that a commercial airship ticket would be more
expensive. A space shuttle certification is accomplished in a simulator.

[newsgroups.comcast.net]

And if you don't land on another planet, does it count as cross-space time?

"Eric Bartsch" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
> 90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?
>
> Eric
>

[john smith]

> And if you don't land on another planet, does it count as cross-space time?

> > So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
> > 90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?

It is a commercial certificate. Only that portion of the flight above
100 km may be counted as space flight time. Any portion of the flight
below 100 km is logged as IFR flight time.

[Blanche]

Dylan Smith > wrote:
>On 2006-01-04, john smith > wrote:
>>> Do you need three take-offs and landings to a full stop
>>> before carrying passengers?
>>
>> What are the required maneuvers for the one-hour of flight to fullfil a
>> BFR?
>
>Setting a stable orbit
>Changes of orbital inclination
>Docking and undocking procedures
>Gravitational slingshots
>Atmospheric braking
>
>Additionally, you must make three docking and undocking manoevres to a
>full stop every 90 days to be current to carry passengers.

What about emergency procedures?

[Blanche]

newsgroups.comcast.net > wrote:
>And if you don't land on another planet, does it count as cross-space time?
>
>"Eric Bartsch" > wrote in message
>>
>> So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
>> 90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?
>>
>> Eric

What about wormholes? Run into a wormhole, return before you left. How
do you justify X number of hours of flight time when the tach runs
backwards?

[Ron Garret]

In article e.com>,
Andrew Gideon > wrote:

> Jose wrote:
>
> > You have to undock and redock three times first. If you're in shadow,
> > you have to do it in shadow.
>
> In that case, each has to be to a full stop.

Relative to what? ;-)

rg

[Jose]

> How
> do you justify X number of hours of flight time when the tach runs
> backwards?

esoJ

..nemecaps trops rof segalevirp elohmrow on ,oS .noitarepo laicremmoc a
ti ekam dluow tahT .enalpria eht tner ot em gniyap eb dluow OBF eht
,sdrawkcab nur ot (sbboh eht ro) hcat eht teg dluoc I fI
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Brien K. Meehan]

LOL

[Montblack]

"Eric Bartsch"
> So if you fly to the International Space Station and stay for more than
> 90 days, does that mean you can't fly home with passengers onboard?


Only if the Space Station Wheel is certified for spinning.

<http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast26may_1m.htm>


Montblack

[Jay Beckman]

"Jimbob" > wrote in message
...
> Are they are creating a new certificate?
>
> http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=378657&docketid=23449
>
> And I thought multiengine would be expensive...
>
>
>
> Jim

Tangent to this thread are the airspace considerations that will have to be
made for the proposed private "spaceports." Branson wants to build one for
Virgin Galactic in New Mexico and one of the other X Prize-esque operations
wants to build one in Texas.

Yet another source for TFRs...

SFC to FL600...

Jay B

[.Blueskies.]

"Montblack" > wrote in message ...
> ("George Patterson" wrote)
>> In a few years we'll be calling a breakfast flight a "Million Dollar Muffin" run.
>
>
> Two words:
> Sport Astronaut
>
> 138 mph/120 kts limits our re-entry options.
>
>
> Montblastoff
>

That's funny!

[Morgans]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote

> for God's sake the US has no jurisdiction in outer space.

For God's sake, get a sense of humor!
--
Jim in NC

[Jeff]

>
> What are the required maneuvers for the one-hour of flight to fullfil a
> BFR?

Turns about a planet?

[Michael Rhodes]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:42:21 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>"Martin Hotze" > wrote
>
>> for God's sake the US has no jurisdiction in outer space.
>
>For God's sake, get a sense of humor!

There's plenty of humor in this thread.

For some, US jurisdiction is a power trip. For others it is
laughable. So to the rest it is anything but funny.

For some, space jurisdiction is a power trip... etc, etc.

Must all things be humorous? For God's sake, let us not be so
tolerant of what IS laughable.
--
Michael

[Blanche]

Jose > wrote:
>> How
>> do you justify X number of hours of flight time when the tach runs
>> backwards?
>
>esoJ
>
>.nemecaps trops rof segalevirp elohmrow on ,oS .noitarepo laicremmoc a
>ti ekam dluow tahT .enalpria eht tner ot em gniyap eb dluow OBF eht
>,sdrawkcab nur ot (sbboh eht ro) hcat eht teg dluoc I fI

OAMLFOR
(*ekat tips*)

[Andrew Gideon]

Ron Garret wrote:

>> In that case, each has to be to a full stop.
>
> Relative to what? ;-)

FAA headquarters since they are, they know, the center of the universe.

- Andrew

[john smith]

In article >, "Jeff" >
wrote:

> >
> > What are the required maneuvers for the one-hour of flight to fullfil a
> > BFR?

> Turns about a planet?

Good one!