Triple posts?

[Jay Honeck]

Anyone else seeing multiple posts?

Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two days
ago are now showing up!

Whassup?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gene Seibel]

Google has been delying mine a couple days on some groups too.
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Jim Burns]

"Jay Honeck"
> Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two days
> ago are now showing up!
>
> Whassup?
> --
> Jay Honeck

The sun finally came out down there and they were finally able to fly off
your pc.

I'm convinced all my posts are going underground.

Jim

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Anyone else seeing multiple posts?

Yep.

> Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two days
> ago are now showing up!

Yep.

> Whassup?

Dunno, but it's bigger than just my (or your) local server.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[three-eight-hotel]

Yes... I've seen this a couple of times, where there is a delay of
over 12 hours... I have been refraining from sending a second post,
when I'm pretty confident I submitted a post successfully. Several
hours later, they seem to show up.

???? Kinda blows the continuity of a topic!!!

Best Regards,
Todd

[Longworth]

Jay,
Yes, this has happened to me few times. I had to use google's post
removal option to remove the duplilcate posts.

Hai Longworth

[Longworth]

Jay,
Yes, this has happened to me few times. I had to use google's post
removal option to remove the duplilcate posts.

Hai Longworth

[three-eight-hotel]

Now that's funny!!! Intentional or not... ;-)

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
>> Whassup?

> Dunno, but it's bigger than just my (or your) local server.


I've been tempted to reply ..."read back correct" a few times.


Montblack
Montblack
Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jim Burns" wrote)
> The sun finally came out down there and they were finally able to fly off
> your pc.
>
> I'm convinced all my posts are going underground.


I just now replied to a post (in this thread) by GPIII and M$ OE put an X
through it. Homebuilt, Owning and Student downloaded fine. Odd. That almost
never happens on this end. Something's up. A date virus/glitch?

Now, do I resubmit? or is in queue somewhere? Odd.


Montblack
Montblack
Montblack

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
>> Whassup?

> Dunno, but it's bigger than just my (or your) local server.


I've been tempted to reply ..."read back correct" a few times.


Montblack
Montblack
Montblack

(Resent this post after it went into my Sent Folder, then M$ OE put an X
through the post, in my r.a.piloting newsgroup tree. Odd)

[three-eight-hotel]

I guess it's only funny if Hai had left his duplicate post in.... It's
not so funny anymore... :-))

[Bob Gardner]

Silly me, I thought that this was about cross-posting. Never experienced a
multiple post. OTOH, as someone who visits .ifr, .piloting, and .student
every day, it bugs me when I see the same message in all three threads. I'm
sure that there must be some advantage to doing this, but I can't figure out
what it is.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ZFuwf.475411$084.159274@attbi_s22...
> Anyone else seeing multiple posts?
>
> Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two days
> ago are now showing up!
>
> Whassup?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in message
. ..
> Silly me, I thought that this was about cross-posting. Never experienced a
> multiple post. OTOH, as someone who visits .ifr, .piloting, and .student
> every day, it bugs me when I see the same message in all three threads.
> I'm sure that there must be some advantage to doing this, but I can't
> figure out what it is.

As long as the posts are cross-posted correctly (and generally they have
been), then once you've marked as read the post in one newsgroup, it should
be marked as read in the others. As long as you're using the "next unread
message" to move from one new post to the next, the same post appearing
multiple times shouldn't impede your progress.

Not that most of the cross-posting is justified, just that there are ways to
minimize the impact.

Pete

[Flyingmonk]

>Anyone else seeing multiple posts?

Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two
days
ago are now showing up!

Whassup?

System was (down/on the glitch) for a few days and some people, such as
myself, clicked send and didn't see the messages come up, so clicked
send again and again. Now the system shows the posts. :^)

The Monk

[Montblack]

("Peter Duniho" wrote)
[snip]
> As long as the posts are cross-posted correctly (and generally they have
> been), then once you've marked as read the post in one newsgroup, it
> should be marked as read in the others. As long as you're using the "next
> unread message" to move from one new post to the next, the same post
> appearing multiple times shouldn't impede your progress.


Agreed 100%.


Montblack

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Anyone else seeing multiple posts?
>
> Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two days
> ago are now showing up!
>
> Whassup?

Yes, I saw a little of that also. I thought it was just you... :-)

Matt

[Longworth]

three-eight-hotel wrote:
> I guess it's only funny if Hai had left his duplicate post in.... It's
> not so funny anymore... :-))

I could not believe my eyes when I saw that Google had double posted
my reply on the very subject. I hit the delete button pretty quick but
it was there long enough for you to see. Yes, it was pretty funny.

Hai Longworth

[Peter R.]

Flyingmonk > wrote:

> Another interesting thing -- posts I sent using GoogleGroups from two
> days
> ago are now showing up!
>
> Whassup?

Google Groups had some problems over the last few days.

In some of the newsgroups I follow, there have been the same complaints
from other Google newsgroup users.

--
Peter

[George Patterson]

Peter Duniho wrote:

> As long as the posts are cross-posted correctly (and generally they have
> been), then once you've marked as read the post in one newsgroup, it should
> be marked as read in the others.

That's the way it used to work for me in far-off times. It doesn't work that way
now. I'm using Thunderbird, so, if there's a setting I should make to accomplish
this, I'm all ears (or eyes, as the case may be).

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Peter Duniho]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:QjHwf.8427$Lh1.5492@trnddc01...
> That's the way it used to work for me in far-off times. It doesn't work
> that way now.

No, that can't be. Everyone is so in love with Mozilla, Firefox,
Thunderbird, etc. that it cannot be possible that it doesn't work just as a
normal person would want it to straight "out of the box".

:)

>I'm using Thunderbird, so, if there's a setting I should
> make to accomplish this, I'm all ears (or eyes, as the case may be).

Sorry...I don't have a real answer. Never used it. However, as much fun as
it is to make fun of Thunderbird, I think it must have some way to correctly
deal with cross-posts. Hopefully someone who has actually used the program
can tell you what that is.

Pete

[Jose]

> Hopefully someone who has actually used the program
> can tell you what that is.

I use Netscape, built on the same engine. No setting to skip crossposts
you've read. I'm open to suggestions for newsreaders with this (highly
desirable) feature.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
> I use Netscape, built on the same engine. No setting to skip crossposts
> you've read. I'm open to suggestions for newsreaders with this (highly
> desirable) feature.

Hmm. Well, I'm surprised it's not in the Mozilla-based newsreaders. After
all, that feature is one (of just a handful) that I, and probably most
people, would consider essential to any "real" newsreader. That is, without
it, you're just a toy newsreader. For all the "our open-source is the
best!" hurrahs that always seem to go around, you'd think they'd be talking
about something that wasn't a toy. Guess not.

As far as newsreaders that do have the feature go, well...Outlook Express
has it. Forte's Agent and Free Agent both have it (you can get Free Agent
for, duh, free). I've never used the 4titude newsreader, but surely it has
it also. Any command-line-based newsreader (e.g. rn an a *nix system) would
have it as well.

Basically, any REAL newsreader should include that feature. Lots of people
will swear up and down that Outlook Express sucks rocks, but it's just as
useful a newsreader as any other. I've never seen a single newsreader that
does everything I want it to, but OE does everything that I need a
newsreader to do 90% of the time, which is at least as capable as any other
newsreader I've used.

I do recommend you try the other brands though. There's nothing like
personal experience to reassure you that you've made the right choice, and
you may actually prefer one of the others anyway. I've tried several of the
ones I mention above, and OE does what I need with minimal fuss.

Agent, in particular, has some features that OE doesn't, but is missing some
features OE has, and at least last time I used it (more than five years ago)
it had a butt-ugly UI, making it hard to figure out how to actually do
something even if it was supported, and didn't handle suscribing to multiple
newsservers as gracefully as OE does. It also was much slower than OE, but
I'm not going to bother getting into that again...it really seems to get
Larry's shorts in a knot.

For me, that made OE my preferred choice. For other people, they may be
more interested in features Agent has and OE doesn't.

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

Jose wrote:
>> Hopefully someone who has actually used the program can tell you what
>> that is.
>
>
> I use Netscape, built on the same engine. No setting to skip crossposts
> you've read. I'm open to suggestions for newsreaders with this (highly
> desirable) feature.
>
> Jose

Okay, I was so skeptical that a newsreader with a connection to the
Mozilla family did not have a "next unread" feature, I had to download
Thunderbird and try it for myself.

Note that I still cannot speak for the Netscape newsreader, but I can
confirm that in Thunderbird, skipping to the next unread message is as
easy as hitting the "N" key.

Now that I've downloaded it, I think I might actually use it for a few
days and see how I like it. First impression is quite good, which is a
big contrast with my first impression of Firefox (which I only use for
the RSS plug-ins...I know lots of people love Firefox, but my experience
with it involves lots of graphical bugs and high CPU utilization; it
might comply better with the CSS specification, but IE works way better
for me on day-to-day stuff, including basic issues like scrolling the
window).

So, in addition to all of the other newsreaders I mentioned (none of
which are actually BAD newsreaders, no matter what that goofball Martin
says), I can suggest checking out Thunderbird. At the moment, I can
state unequivocably that it definitely doesn't suck enough for me to
realize it in the first ten minutes of use. :)

Pete

[Jay Honeck]

> I use Netscape, built on the same engine. No setting to skip crossposts
> you've read. I'm open to suggestions for newsreaders with this (highly
> desirable) feature.

Now THAT is funny.

Simple (and free) little Outlook Express does it automatically.

Microsoft got something right -- imagine that?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

>
> Note that I still cannot speak for the Netscape newsreader, but I can confirm that in Thunderbird, skipping to the next unread message is as easy as hitting the "N" key.

Yes, but if you already read that message in a different thread, it will
still be presented to you as new.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[George Patterson]

Peter Duniho wrote:

> Okay, I was so skeptical that a newsreader with a connection to the
> Mozilla family did not have a "next unread" feature, I had to download
> Thunderbird and try it for myself.

I don't recall anyone saying that it doesn't have a next unread feature. What we
can't seem to find is a feature that will mark cross-posted posts as "read" in
other groups once you read them in this one.

For example, I see any new posts in the "Prop Indexing" thread twice; once in
RAP, and a second time in RAO. Granted, once I realize that I'm in one of these
cross-posted threads, it's a simple matter to mark the entire thread as "read"
and move on, but I didn't have to do that on a Unix box.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Bob Noel]

In article <WCOwf.719153$xm3.599521@attbi_s21>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Simple (and free) little Outlook Express does it automatically.
>
> Microsoft got something right -- imagine that?
>
> :-)

even the long island looney bird would occasionally get something right.

;-)

--
Bob Noel
New NHL? what a joke

[Peter Duniho]

George Patterson wrote:
> I don't recall anyone saying that it doesn't have a next unread feature.
> What we can't seem to find is a feature that will mark cross-posted
> posts as "read" in other groups once you read them in this one.

Oh. I misunderstood, somewhere along the line (I think it's possible I
knew what you were talking about at some point, and then headed off in a
different direction due to lack of sleep :) ).

Well, I'll keep looking, but at this point I've browsed through pretty
much every setting Thunderbird has. I would be surprised if something
like that were configurable. I guess I'm back to dis-recommending
Thunderbird, given the lack of that fundamental newsreader feature.
Clearly it's still in "toy" category.

It still surprises me. I just can't imagine a newsreader trying to take
itself seriously without that feature.

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> It still surprises me. I just can't imagine a newsreader trying to take
> itself seriously without that feature.

Well, I checked around, and found a variety of mentions that this just
isn't available in Thunderbird. The netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
newsgroup in particular has some illuminating comments.

I am also surprised that, even if this functionality is missing from the
basic application, that there's no extension to provide it. There are
all sorts of extensions for all sorts of other things, including a lot
of relatively useless stuff. But nothing to add this very basic, very
necessary newsreader feature.

I find the whole thing ironic.

Pete

[Jose]

> As far as newsreaders that do have the [skip crossposted articles
> already read in another group] feature go, well...Outlook Express
> has it. Forte's Agent and Free Agent both have it (you can get Free Agent
> for, duh, free). I've never used the 4titude newsreader, but surely it has
> it also. Any command-line-based newsreader (e.g. rn an a *nix system) would
> have it as well.

Actually, I got curious and actually tried Outlook Express. It most
emphatically does not have this feature. It can skip to the next unread
post in a newsgroup (Mozilla and Netscape can do that too), but if I've
read (for example) all of the "Nasa Icing courses" articles in r.a.ifr,
and they were crossposted to r.a.piloting, they will be presented to me
again, as new, in r.a.piloting, in Outlook Express as well as in
Netscape. Since the headers of a properly CROSSposted (as opposed to
multple posted) article have an identical identifier, it should be
possible for a newsreader to recognize it as read, even if it was read
in a different group.

THAT is the mythical feature I seek.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
> [...] if I've read (for example) all of the "Nasa Icing courses" articles
> in r.a.ifr, and they were crossposted to r.a.piloting, they will be
> presented to me again, as new, in r.a.piloting, in Outlook Express

Nope. They will not. If they are, you are using it wrong.

I use OE, and I depend on that feature. I see it work all the time.

> THAT is the mythical feature I seek.

It's not a mythical feature. All of the newsreaders I have used have it.

Pete

[Montblack]

("Jose" wrote)
[snips]
> Actually, I got curious and actually tried Outlook Express. It most
> emphatically does not have this feature.

> ...it should be possible for a newsreader to recognize it as read, even if
> it was read in a different group.
>
> THAT is the mythical feature I seek.


My M$ OE 6.0 does what you seek. How? I know not.


Montblack

[Peter Duniho]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Jose" wrote)
>> THAT is the mythical feature I seek.
>
> My M$ OE 6.0 does what you seek. How? I know not.

Magic. It's always magic.

[Peter Clark]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:48:00 GMT, Jose >
wrote:

>> As far as newsreaders that do have the [skip crossposted articles
>> already read in another group] feature go, well...Outlook Express
>> has it. Forte's Agent and Free Agent both have it (you can get Free Agent
>> for, duh, free). I've never used the 4titude newsreader, but surely it has
>> it also. Any command-line-based newsreader (e.g. rn an a *nix system) would
>> have it as well.
>
>Actually, I got curious and actually tried Outlook Express. It most
>emphatically does not have this feature. It can skip to the next unread
>post in a newsgroup (Mozilla and Netscape can do that too), but if I've
>read (for example) all of the "Nasa Icing courses" articles in r.a.ifr,
>and they were crossposted to r.a.piloting, they will be presented to me
>again, as new, in r.a.piloting, in Outlook Express as well as in
>Netscape. Since the headers of a properly CROSSposted (as opposed to
>multple posted) article have an identical identifier, it should be
>possible for a newsreader to recognize it as read, even if it was read
>in a different group.
>
>THAT is the mythical feature I seek.

Forte's Agent does that. It keeps a database of headers it downloaded
and will automatically mark messages read in other newsgroups (if
you've read them there), and I believe it only marks them unread in
the first newsgroup you subscribe to that appears in the crossposting
list (so if it's posted as rap,ras you'll only see it unread in rap -
if it's posted as ras,rap you'll see it as unread in ras). And I
don't believe that feature is restricted to the pay version, I believe
it's even in Free Agent.

[Jay Honeck]

>> [...] if I've read (for example) all of the "Nasa Icing courses" articles
>> in r.a.ifr, and they were crossposted to r.a.piloting, they will be
>> presented to me again, as new, in r.a.piloting, in Outlook Express
>
> Nope. They will not. If they are, you are using it wrong.
>
> I use OE, and I depend on that feature. I see it work all the time.

Me, too.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
>> As far as newsreaders that do have the [skip crossposted articles already
>> read in another group] feature go, well...Outlook Express has it.
>> Forte's Agent and Free Agent both have it (you can get Free Agent for,
>> duh, free). I've never used the 4titude newsreader, but surely it has it
>> also. Any command-line-based newsreader (e.g. rn an a *nix system) would
>> have it as well.
>
> Actually, I got curious and actually tried Outlook Express. It most
> emphatically does not have this feature. It can skip to the next unread
> post in a newsgroup (Mozilla and Netscape can do that too), but if I've
> read (for example) all of the "Nasa Icing courses" articles in r.a.ifr,
> and they were crossposted to r.a.piloting, they will be presented to me
> again, as new, in r.a.piloting, in Outlook Express as well as in Netscape.
> Since the headers of a properly CROSSposted (as opposed to multple posted)
> article have an identical identifier, it should be possible for a
> newsreader to recognize it as read, even if it was read in a different
> group.
>
> THAT is the mythical feature I seek.
>
> Jose
> --


OE 6 does it for me and it must have been the default setting because I
never set it and I can't find anyplace to turn it off.

[George Patterson]

Jose wrote:

> THAT is the mythical feature I seek.

And it existed in the "rn" command in Unix when I used it last (long ago & far
away).

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Me, too.

Me, three! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

>> My M$ OE 6.0 does what you seek. How? I know not.
>
> Magic. It's always magic.

It's the magic smoke being kept in! ;-)
--
Jim in NC