PW-5 rental for WC Nationals

[Bill Thar]

I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class Nationals at Marfa, TX
6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.

Bill Thar

[Derek Copeland]

At 17:36 11 January 2006, Bill Thar wrote:
>I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class
>Nationals at Marfa, TX
>6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.
>
How much do you expect them to pay you to fly the thing?

Derek Copeland

[For Example John Smith]

Derek,
How many hours do you have in PW5?

"Derek Copeland" > wrote in
message ...
> At 17:36 11 January 2006, Bill Thar wrote:
>>I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class
>>Nationals at Marfa, TX
>>6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.
>>
> How much do you expect them to pay you to fly the thing?
>
> Derek Copeland
>
>
>

[Derek Copeland]

At 20:06 11 January 2006, For Example John Smith wrote:
>Derek,
>How many hours do you have in PW5?
>
Fortunately, none!

Derek Copeland

[TTaylor at cc.usu.edu]

OK, It is officially winter in the northern hemisphere. We have begun
picking on the PW5's.

[[email protected]]

>Derek,
>How many hours do you have in PW5?

>Fortunately, none!

>Derek Copeland

It looks to me that Derek is afraid that he might fly across the
English Channel in the PW-5 and find himself in France.....

[Martin Gregorie]

Derek Copeland wrote:
> At 20:06 11 January 2006, For Example John Smith wrote:
>> Derek,
>> How many hours do you have in PW5?
>>
> Fortunately, none!
>
I've flown one once. Its quite pleasant to fly but noticeably lower
performance than a Junior. The only vice I was warned about was a
tendency to PIO on aero tow takeoffs if you raise the nose too fast too
soon, but I didn't find that a problem. I don't feel too good about
being seen getting out of one (I think they are ugly) but I was a
visitor and needed to fly it to get a crack at the club's Libelle. I'd
always wanted to fly a Libelle and it was well worth the preliminaries.

--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

[Bill Thar]

I am trying to locate a PW-5 that is near to Marfa or can be trailered to
Marfa as part of the deal.

Derek whatever your name is, don't you have something better to do?

Bill Thar
"Bill Thar" > wrote in message
...
>I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class Nationals at Marfa, TX
>6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.
>
> Bill Thar
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

Bill,

Don't worry about Derek. He is one of those "very smart" people who
will try to bring you down to his level and then kill you with
experience.

Good luck on your search.


Jacek Kobiesa
Washington State

[BTIZ]

http://www.downingsailplanes.com/

Check here.. I'm not sure if he is still in business.. but he may have a
source.. he is in SoCal.. a long way from Marfa..
BT

"Bill Thar" > wrote in message
...
>I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class Nationals at Marfa, TX
>6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.
>
> Bill Thar
>
>
>

[Derek Copeland]

At 21:54 11 January 2006,
wrote:
>>Derek,
>>How many hours do you have in PW5?
>
>>Fortunately, none!
>
>>Derek Copeland
>
>It looks to me that Derek is afraid that he might fly
>across the
>English Channel in the PW-5 and find himself in France.....
>
-----------------------------------
What a horrible thought! Although one would be more
likely to make a very small splash halfway across the
Channel in a PW5.

By the way us British glider pilots are not made welcome
in France, because allegedly two of our gliders were
unfortunate enough to get in the way of a free falling
parachutist and a French two-seater that spun in a
thermal respectively. Since then they will not recognise
our UK qualifications, despite this being a principle
requirement of the EU. I don't think they have ever
forgiven us and the Yanks for liberating their country
from German occupation!

Still never mind. I fly and spend my money in all the
other EU countries who do make us welcome and accept
our qualifications.

Derek Copeland

[GK]

.. I don't think they have ever
> forgiven us and the Yanks for liberating their country
> from German occupation!

- You're also known for selling your allies to, for instance Stalin,
so maybe it's healthier and smarter to stay ignorant and indifferent.

[Rusty]

You could try http://www.5c1.net/sass.html located just north of San
Antonio, Texas he has 2 PW-5s on the field.

[For Example John Smith]

SoCal isn't as far from Marfa as Houston or Dallas are....
"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:cKhxf.10080$V.1184@fed1read04...
> http://www.downingsailplanes.com/
>
> Check here.. I'm not sure if he is still in business.. but he may have a
> source.. he is in SoCal.. a long way from Marfa..
> BT
>
> "Bill Thar" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I am looking for a PW-5 to rent for the World Class Nationals at Marfa, TX
>>6/20/2006 - 6/29/2006.
>>
>> Bill Thar
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Burt Compton - Marfa]

Yes, Marfa Texas is a long way from everywhere, but certainly worth the
trip. That's why I live/soar here. It's quite nice, being 500 miles
from Dallas / 900 miles from So. California. Nearest Super Wal-Mart is
186 miles away in El Paso or Midland, TX. Wide open airspace and 100
mile visibility. On a grassy plateau near the Davis Mountains and Big
Bend National Park. Big, quiet airport (MRF) w/ three runways. RV
hookups on site.

For more information on the PW-5 World Class US National Contest June
20-29, 2006, see the PW-5 page under "Marfa Gliders" on my website:
www.flygliders.com

I strongly recommend bringing a capable ground crew when bringing ANY
glider to Marfa.
Also rig a proper antenna for your crew-car. A 5/8 wave magnetic mount
works much better on your crew's handheld radio than a little "rubber
ducky" antenna. Find a ham radio dude and tune your antenna for near 1
to 1 "SWR". Purchase a 5/8 wave antenna at Eastern Sailplane or
wingsandwheels.com Why? Cellphones don't work that well out here
and if you don't bring a crew, then bring an ELT. Then again, there's
no CAP search unit out here. No, we don't expect you to land out, but
IF you do - there are few roads and the nights are cold in the summer
here - at 5,000' msl on the Marfa plateau. The stars are rather
incredible - so pack a telescope if you have one!

We fly year-round. Training and glider ratings / aerotows by
appointment. Thermals and wave in winter & spring.

Where "The Sun Ship Game" movie was filmed at the 1969 US Nationals.
Watch the movie, then bring your sailplane and pretend to be Gleb
Derujinsky (CI) or George Moffat (XX) - your choice. (Although my role
model was Ben Greene.)

Y'all come visit. We'll show you a good time!

Burt Compton Master CFI, FAA Designated Examiner
Marfa Gliders, west Texas
www.flygliders.com
800-667-9464

[[email protected]]

Oh boy, I think I found my fun for this week. These posting have
drifted away from the subject again.....weren't we supposed to help a
fellow soaring pilot to locate a glider available for rent? Even though
it is a PW-5 it is still a glider and it serves its purpose.

>By the way us British glider pilots are not made welcome
>in France, because allegedly two of our gliders were
>unfortunate enough to get in the way of a free falling
>parachutist and a French two-seater that spun in a
>thermal respectively. Since then they will not recognise
>our UK qualifications, despite this being a principle
>requirement of the EU. I don't think they have ever
>forgiven us and the Yanks for liberating their country
>from German occupation!

>Still never mind. I fly and spend my money in all the
>other EU countries who do make us welcome and accept
>our qualifications.

Now Derek you started making some sense....I need to give credit when
credit is due.

>. I don't think they have ever

> forgiven us and the Yanks for liberating their country
> from German occupation!

>- You're also known for selling your allies to, for instance Stalin,
>so maybe it's healthier and smarter to stay ignorant and indifferent.

It looks like the debate is getting better...unfortunately I must
agreed with both statements. Boy....the winter is loooong indeed.

[Malcolm Austin]

Burt,
as a "ham-dude" - a couple of comments.

If you want range, a 7/8 ths antenna is much, much better. So if they are
available go for it, the cost should not be to dissimilar to a 5/8 ths.

The only down side is these antennas are much better at putting the signal
closer
to the ground rather than up into space/sky. So a glider close in might not
hear to much well, so revert to a shorter aerial (a quarter wave is great
for this, and still much more efficient than a rubber duck) As a very basic
rule of thumb, a 1/4 wave might double your range over a rubber duck,
a 5/8 ths might give 4 times the range and a 7/8 ths 6 to 8 times!

The quality of the coax is also important. Amazing how much signal power
you can lose over 10 feet of poor coax. Get the best you can afford.

Cheers,
Malcolm (also a poor K6CR owner) :-)

"Burt Compton - Marfa" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Yes, Marfa Texas is a long way from everywhere, but certainly worth the
> trip. That's why I live/soar here. It's quite nice, being 500 miles
> from Dallas / 900 miles from So. California. Nearest Super Wal-Mart is
> 186 miles away in El Paso or Midland, TX. Wide open airspace and 100
> mile visibility. On a grassy plateau near the Davis Mountains and Big
> Bend National Park. Big, quiet airport (MRF) w/ three runways. RV
> hookups on site.
>
> For more information on the PW-5 World Class US National Contest June
> 20-29, 2006, see the PW-5 page under "Marfa Gliders" on my website:
> www.flygliders.com
>
> I strongly recommend bringing a capable ground crew when bringing ANY
> glider to Marfa.
> Also rig a proper antenna for your crew-car. A 5/8 wave magnetic mount
> works much better on your crew's handheld radio than a little "rubber
> ducky" antenna. Find a ham radio dude and tune your antenna for near 1
> to 1 "SWR". Purchase a 5/8 wave antenna at Eastern Sailplane or
> wingsandwheels.com Why? Cellphones don't work that well out here
> and if you don't bring a crew, then bring an ELT. Then again, there's
> no CAP search unit out here. No, we don't expect you to land out, but
> IF you do - there are few roads and the nights are cold in the summer
> here - at 5,000' msl on the Marfa plateau. The stars are rather
> incredible - so pack a telescope if you have one!
>
> We fly year-round. Training and glider ratings / aerotows by
> appointment. Thermals and wave in winter & spring.
>
> Where "The Sun Ship Game" movie was filmed at the 1969 US Nationals.
> Watch the movie, then bring your sailplane and pretend to be Gleb
> Derujinsky (CI) or George Moffat (XX) - your choice. (Although my role
> model was Ben Greene.)
>
> Y'all come visit. We'll show you a good time!
>
> Burt Compton Master CFI, FAA Designated Examiner
> Marfa Gliders, west Texas
> www.flygliders.com
> 800-667-9464
>

[Derek Copeland]

At 04:24 12 January 2006, Gk wrote:
>
> - You're also known for selling your allies to, for
>instance Stalin,
>
I assume that you are refering to Poland, Czechoslovakia
and the other Eastern European countries that got stuck
on the Russian side of the Iron Curtain after WW2.
I should point out that we (the British) declared war
on Hitler's Germany in support of Poland and that Winston
Churchill did his best to get it returned to being
an independent country at the end of the war. Unfortunately
it had been over-run by the Soviet Army, possession
is nine points of the law, and they weren't prepared
to give it up. Also the Yanks didn't want to support
any further war as they had achieved their objective
of defeating the Axis powers, so that was that - fait
accompli to Josph Stalin!

What this proves is that wars very often don't give
the desired results, even if you win them. George W.
Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, far from
defeating terrorism, has only stoked up even more hatred
of the West and more terrorism. Haven't the USA learned
any lessons from Korea, Vietnam and Gulf War 1?

Derek Copeland

[PB]

Here you go again Derek, not only a briliant designer of gliders for
training (I am sure the design teams of all major glider manufacturers
are kicking them selves for not thinking of those 10 points first.) but
now you reveal an exceptional grasp of history.

Derek Copeland wrote:
> At 04:24 12 January 2006, Gk wrote:
>
>>- You're also known for selling your allies to, for
>>instance Stalin,
>>
>
> I assume that you are refering to Poland, Czechoslovakia
> and the other Eastern European countries that got stuck
> on the Russian side of the Iron Curtain after WW2.
> I should point out that we (the British) declared war
> on Hitler's Germany in support of Poland and that Winston
> Churchill did his best to get it returned to being
> an independent country at the end of the war.

And perhaps you are conveniently forgetting the fact that Neville
Chamberlain agreed to allow Hitler to occupy the 'Sudetenland' despite a
previous treaty with Czechoslovakia, foolishly declaring that he just
obtained 100 years of peace for Europe.

Unfortunately
> it had been over-run by the Soviet Army, possession
> is nine points of the law, and they weren't prepared
> to give it up. Also the Yanks didn't want to support
> any further war as they had achieved their objective
> of defeating the Axis powers, so that was that - fait
> accompli to Josph Stalin!

Wow, what a briliant analysis of a complex situatiation - in less then
100 words. Historians who wrote books on the topic must be furious for
wasting all that time.

>
> What this proves is that wars very often don't give
> the desired results, even if you win them. George W.
> Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, far from
> defeating terrorism, has only stoked up even more hatred
> of the West and more terrorism.

So are you suggesting that that there already was a lot of hatred? If
so, then a bit more may be of no consequence.

Haven't the USA learned
> any lessons from Korea, Vietnam and Gulf War 1?

Or perhaps they have learnt from the situation in 1938 when an evil
force was allowed to expand, tens of millions died.

Paul

[Derek Copeland]

At 14:18 13 January 2006, Pb wrote:

>And perhaps you are conveniently forgetting the fact
>that Neville
>Chamberlain agreed to allow Hitler to occupy the 'Sudetenland'
>despite a
>previous treaty with Czechoslovakia, foolishly declaring
>that he just
>obtained 100 years of peace for Europe.
>
Actually a subtle ploy to buy more time to develop
the Spitfire and the Hurricane fighter planes and to
rearm, so that we could fight off the Germans!

Derek Copeland

[Burt Compton - Marfa]

Yep, longer is better, but perhaps not as portable - I'm just tryin' to
get these glider crews decent communications as cellphone coverage is
relatively poor beyond Marfa Airport, and there are very few airports
around. So a crew at Marfa should be close by when the pilot gets low
and needs to know where the wires / fences / gates are located. Good
crew underneath a pilot out here can save a glider!

My Dad (Fritz Compton W4LJH) had very long wire ham antennas (extended
zep, etc.) on our gliderport near Miami. He hated coax especially in
the Florida humidity so he and I made "open wire feeders" like he did
as a kid in the 1920's. He also wound his own antenna tuners - would
check power by tuning for the strongest spark off the coils with a lead
pencil! Classic.

Dad was one of the first to use ham radio in his LK-10A sailplane at
the 1946 Nationals in Elmira, NY and in 1947 at Wichita Falls, TX.. He
would transmit one-way to my Mother on the road. He painted his
contest number on top of the trailer so he knew it was her. More than
once he told her to pass a slow truck on a long uphill grade - trucker
thought she was crazy - but Dad had told her "all clear".

Educating folks about crew car antenna tuning (by length) and seeking
efficiency with good SWR is important. In the 1960's my Dad built
homemade 1/4 wave VHF crew car antennas out of a wire and a flattened
tin can that we would slam into the top of the car door. Simple, and
we had close to 1 to 1 Standing Wave Ratio for 123.3. We had a simple
three letter code so he could tell me where he was on course and his
optimism about the sky ahead. It worked extremely well.

So thanks for the advice. As my Dad would say, "Lots o' watts is OK,
but good radio is mostly in the antenna." He is 90 years old - living
in Texas - but his signal is fading.

Burt Compton
Marfa Gliders, west Texas
www.flygliders.com

[Jack]

PB wrote:

> And perhaps you are conveniently forgetting the fact that Neville
> Chamberlain agreed to allow Hitler to occupy the 'Sudetenland' despite a
> previous treaty with Czechoslovakia, foolishly declaring that he just
> obtained 100 years of peace for Europe.

Take it up with your priest, PB, or at least to a group where it's not OT.

Got any opinion on sailplanes?


Jack

[jphoenix]

Malcolm Austin wrote:

>
> The quality of the coax is also important. Amazing how much signal power
> you can lose over 10 feet of poor coax. Get the best you can afford.
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm (also a poor K6CR owner) :-)

Malcom and Burt,

What brand or spec coax is the best quality? I have an AV-5 antenna
with ground plane (as shown on Tim's page here:
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page14.htm ) that I want to connect to my
Icom portable (BNC both ends), so what should I look for in a fine
piece of coax suitable for this installation?

I have only a RadioShack SWR meter (that I use to tune my cb antenna)
so what can I rig up to tune the AV-5 to the Icom/coax installation?

I use a crimp on style coax connector, is there a better way to
terminate the BNC connectors than crimp on?

Thanks,

Jim

[Tim Mara]

use good quality (NOT Radio Shack!) RG58C/U cable.....and use if at all
possible Crimp-on connectors....if you don't ahve the special tool for
crimping connectors, try the local avionics shop.this is all they will
use.....or use as next best, solder type connectors.stay away from twist on
types.
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com



"jphoenix" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Malcolm Austin wrote:
>
>>
>> The quality of the coax is also important. Amazing how much signal power
>> you can lose over 10 feet of poor coax. Get the best you can afford.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Malcolm (also a poor K6CR owner) :-)
>
> Malcom and Burt,
>
> What brand or spec coax is the best quality? I have an AV-5 antenna
> with ground plane (as shown on Tim's page here:
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page14.htm ) that I want to connect to my
> Icom portable (BNC both ends), so what should I look for in a fine
> piece of coax suitable for this installation?
>
> I have only a RadioShack SWR meter (that I use to tune my cb antenna)
> so what can I rig up to tune the AV-5 to the Icom/coax installation?
>
> I use a crimp on style coax connector, is there a better way to
> terminate the BNC connectors than crimp on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>

[01-- Zero One]

"jphoenix" > wrote in message
ups.com:

> Malcolm Austin wrote:
>
> >
> > The quality of the coax is also important. Amazing how much signal power
> > you can lose over 10 feet of poor coax. Get the best you can afford.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Malcolm (also a poor K6CR owner) :-)
>
> Malcom and Burt,
>
> What brand or spec coax is the best quality? I have an AV-5 antenna
> with ground plane (as shown on Tim's page here:
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page14.htm ) that I want to connect to my
> Icom portable (BNC both ends), so what should I look for in a fine
> piece of coax suitable for this installation?
>
> I have only a RadioShack SWR meter (that I use to tune my cb antenna)
> so what can I rig up to tune the AV-5 to the Icom/coax installation?
>



Jim, the RadioShack SWR meter will work fine. It doesn't show to be
useful in that range but mine works well.



But, as Tim Mara says in another response, use a good quality coax and
good quality crimp on BNC connectors. Take any screw on BNC connectors
you find and throw them in the trash. better still, get a good torch and
melt them down so no one else will try to use them later.



Larry

"01" USA

[jphoenix]

Thanks fellas,

I do indeed use crimp style connectors and I have the tool - expensive
- but so are all of my other tools!

Rgds,

Jim

[Malcolm Austin]

Hi Jim,
I see Tim and Zero 1 have answered your questions and I agree
with
their points.

I would be a little unhappy with a CB style VSWR meter as they don't
normally
work too well at the higher frequencies. If your gliding club is like ours,
you will
find 2 or 3 Radio Ham's who could help you out with a meter for sure.

ciao.
Malcolm...


"jphoenix" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Thanks fellas,
>
> I do indeed use crimp style connectors and I have the tool - expensive
> - but so are all of my other tools!
>
> Rgds,
>
> Jim
>

[PB]

Jack wrote:
> PB wrote:
>
>> And perhaps you are conveniently forgetting the fact that Neville
>> Chamberlain agreed to allow Hitler to occupy the 'Sudetenland' despite
>> a previous treaty with Czechoslovakia, foolishly declaring that he
>> just obtained 100 years of peace for Europe.
>
>
> Take it up with your priest, PB, or at least to a group where it's not OT.
>
> Got any opinion on sailplanes?
>
>
> Jack

Well Jack, I do, however if you bothered to read his post, and the one
before, you might have realised that I was only responding to his 'OT'
post. And that iy is not the first time Derek introduced politics into
this NG.

Paul

[Derek Copeland]

Well, I am a glider pilot, rather than a professional
politician. Unfortunately, as we are finding out the
hard way in Europe as the EC 'harmonises' it's flying
regulations, politics are important to us.

Politicians and civil servants always want to play
it safe, so airspace is becoming more and more reserved
for commercial and military aviation and we are lucky
to get any remaining scraps. The idea of airmindedness
and flying for pleasure never seems to figure in politicians
minds, until there is a war and they need pilots!

Also wars require them to raise extra revenue, i.e.
taxes, so we have less disposable income to spend on
flying, assuming that we are allowed to aviate at all.
Then there is the risk that we will be send into battle
and killed, or have to kill many innocent civilians
on the other side. I would only be prepared to go along
with this if our country was actually directly under
attack, rather than some trumped up charge of WMDs
in a remote land, when the real objective was to nick
all their oil!

Oh, and by the way Paul. If Hitler's Germany was perceived
to be such a threat to the World in 1938, why didn't
the US get directly involved until 1942?

Derek Copeland


At 02:54 14 January 2006, Pb wrote:
>Jack wrote:
>> PB wrote:
>>
>>> And perhaps you are conveniently forgetting the fact
>>>that Neville
>>> Chamberlain agreed to allow Hitler to occupy the 'Sudetenland'
>>>despite
>>> a previous treaty with Czechoslovakia, foolishly declaring
>>>that he
>>> just obtained 100 years of peace for Europe.
>>
>>
>> Take it up with your priest, PB, or at least to a
>>group where it's not OT.
>>
>> Got any opinion on sailplanes?
>>
>>
>> Jack
>
>Well Jack, I do, however if you bothered to read his
>post, and the one
>before, you might have realised that I was only responding
>to his 'OT'
>post. And that iy is not the first time Derek introduced
>politics into
>this NG.

[Don Johnstone]

At 02:48 12 January 2006, Derek Copeland wrote:
>By the way us British glider pilots are not made welcome
>in France, because allegedly two of our gliders were
>unfortunate enough to get in the way of a free falling
>parachutist and a French two-seater that spun in a
>thermal respectively. Since then they will not recognise
>our UK qualifications, despite this being a principle
>requirement of the EU. I don't think they have ever
>forgiven us and the Yanks for liberating their country
>from German occupation!

There is a very simple explanation for all this, the're
French!!!

[Shawn]

Derek Copeland wrote:
> Well, I am a glider pilot, rather than a professional
> politician. Unfortunately, as we are finding out the
> hard way in Europe as the EC 'harmonises' it's flying
> regulations, politics are important to us.
>
> Politicians and civil servants always want to play
> it safe, so airspace is becoming more and more reserved
> for commercial and military aviation and we are lucky
> to get any remaining scraps. The idea of airmindedness
> and flying for pleasure never seems to figure in politicians
> minds, until there is a war and they need pilots!
>
> Also wars require them to raise extra revenue, i.e.
> taxes, so we have less disposable income to spend on
> flying, assuming that we are allowed to aviate at all.
> Then there is the risk that we will be send into battle
> and killed, or have to kill many innocent civilians
> on the other side. I would only be prepared to go along
> with this if our country was actually directly under
> attack, rather than some trumped up charge of WMDs
> in a remote land, when the real objective was to nick
> all their oil!

No, say it ain't so! ;-)
>
> Oh, and by the way Paul. If Hitler's Germany was perceived
> to be such a threat to the World in 1938, why didn't
> the US get directly involved until 1942?

It's called The Atlantic. Once all those sinking ships started
poisoning our fish supplies, we got ****ed.

Shawn