Angel Flight

[George]

I was thinking about jointing/volunteering for Angel Flight of Oklahoma as a
pilot. Would a low time VFR pilot be of any use to them? I have 190 hr soon to
be 200hr, when we get some good flying weather. I have flown only 3 times since
November. Because VFR flying is unreliable, I wonder if I could be of value.

I went to Angel Flight of Oklahoma web site and they said a non-IFR pilot could
act as co-pilot or fly non-passenger flight. I have 4hr of instrument training
for my private licence and I know nothing about IFR. My IFR training is "MAYDAY,
MAYDAY, MADAY" and make a 180. I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would
be.

If you've been there - done that, could explain what I might be doing?

George
If you request flight following, can you really "slip the surly bonds of earth"?

[Robert M. Gary]

We do have VFR pilots fly. During the winter we usually try to get IFR
backups. However, I think the minimum hours is 250 to be a Command
PIlot. The rules for us out West may be different though.

[Peter R.]

George > wrote:

> I was thinking about jointing/volunteering for Angel Flight of Oklahoma as a
> pilot.

Very nice of you. :)

> Would a low time VFR pilot be of any use to them? I have 190 hr soon to
> be 200hr, when we get some good flying weather.

I cannot comment on your branch of Angel Flight, but the two in the
Northeast US to which I belong require an instrument rating, 300 hours
total time, and 25 hours of actual instrument time.

When I had first heard of Angel Flight, I was finishing up my instrument
rating and was below the total time/instrument time requirement. However,
this became a goal for me, so I flew several times to reach their
requirements. This was in 2003.

If your branch of Angel Flight does have an instrument rating requirement,
you could still volunteer to be a co-pilot and team up with an instrument
rated pilot, or you could use this as a good excuse to get your instrument
rating. :)

> I have flown only 3 times since
> November. Because VFR flying is unreliable, I wonder if I could be of value.

> I went to Angel Flight of Oklahoma web site and they said a non-IFR pilot could
> act as co-pilot or fly non-passenger flight. I have 4hr of instrument training
> for my private licence and I know nothing about IFR. My IFR training is "MAYDAY,
> MAYDAY, MADAY" and make a 180. I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would
> be.
>
> If you've been there - done that, could explain what I might be doing?

Again, you still could be very valuable as a pilot in the right seat. When
I fly an AF mission to Boston Logan, I prefer to take along another pilot
to assist with all off the duties and awareness in congested airspace.

There is also a need for volunteers to assist with ground transportation,
which involves shuttling the patients to the airport for departure.
However, with your piloting skills you no doubt would prefer to be in the
cockpit.

And finally, there is also a need for people to help spread the word about
AF and recruit other volunteers.

IMO, flying for AF is very rewarding and I hope you are able to find a way
to help this incredible organization.

--
Peter

[Marco Leon]

Peter,
With which two in the Northeast are you a volunteer? I just hit 300 hours so
I am seriously thinking about volunteering. However, is the 25 hour of
actual (as in not simulated) a real requirement? on the Angel Flight
Northeast website they mention 25 hour in "type" but I see no mention of IMC
experience.

Marco Leon


"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> George > wrote:
>
> > I was thinking about jointing/volunteering for Angel Flight of Oklahoma
as a
> > pilot.
>
> Very nice of you. :)
>
> > Would a low time VFR pilot be of any use to them? I have 190 hr soon to
> > be 200hr, when we get some good flying weather.
>
> I cannot comment on your branch of Angel Flight, but the two in the
> Northeast US to which I belong require an instrument rating, 300 hours
> total time, and 25 hours of actual instrument time.
>
> When I had first heard of Angel Flight, I was finishing up my instrument
> rating and was below the total time/instrument time requirement. However,
> this became a goal for me, so I flew several times to reach their
> requirements. This was in 2003.
>
> If your branch of Angel Flight does have an instrument rating requirement,
> you could still volunteer to be a co-pilot and team up with an instrument
> rated pilot, or you could use this as a good excuse to get your instrument
> rating. :)
>
> > I have flown only 3 times since
> > November. Because VFR flying is unreliable, I wonder if I could be of
value.
>
> > I went to Angel Flight of Oklahoma web site and they said a non-IFR
pilot could
> > act as co-pilot or fly non-passenger flight. I have 4hr of instrument
training
> > for my private licence and I know nothing about IFR. My IFR training is
"MAYDAY,
> > MAYDAY, MADAY" and make a 180. I can't imagine what a non-passenger
flight would
> > be.
> >
> > If you've been there - done that, could explain what I might be doing?
>
> Again, you still could be very valuable as a pilot in the right seat.
When
> I fly an AF mission to Boston Logan, I prefer to take along another pilot
> to assist with all off the duties and awareness in congested airspace.
>
> There is also a need for volunteers to assist with ground transportation,
> which involves shuttling the patients to the airport for departure.
> However, with your piloting skills you no doubt would prefer to be in the
> cockpit.
>
> And finally, there is also a need for people to help spread the word about
> AF and recruit other volunteers.
>
> IMO, flying for AF is very rewarding and I hope you are able to find a way
> to help this incredible organization.
>
> --
> Peter



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[George]

On the Angel Flight of Oklahoma web sight http://www.angelflight.com/ all they
say is "To carry passengers, the pilot must be instrument rated and current."

George

On 12 Jan 2006 10:42:46 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

>We do have VFR pilots fly. During the winter we usually try to get IFR
>backups. However, I think the minimum hours is 250 to be a Command
>PIlot. The rules for us out West may be different though.
George
If you request flight following, can you really "slip the surly bonds of earth"?

[John Galban]

George wrote:
> I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would
> be.
>

Don't know if Angel Flight is the same, but I've flown non-passenger
missions for other organizations. Typically it means flying blood
products (whole blood, plasma, etc...) to some of the more
out-of-the-way places in your region.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Longworth]

Marco,
Marco,
You are correct.

http://www.angelflightne.org


"To become an Angel Flight NE PIC, our pilots must meet the following
requirements:

250 hours total time
instrument rated
25 hours in type "

My husband and I will fill in the application in the spring. Maybe
we will see you at one of the orientation meetings.

Hai Longworth

[Marty Shapiro]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
oups.com:

> We do have VFR pilots fly. During the winter we usually try to get IFR
> backups. However, I think the minimum hours is 250 to be a Command
> PIlot. The rules for us out West may be different though.
>

Angel Flight West does not require an IFR rating.

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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Marty Shapiro]

George > wrote in
:

> I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would be.
>
> If you've been there - done that, could explain what I might be doing?
>
> George
> If you request flight following, can you really "slip the surly bonds
> of earth"?
>

A non-passenger flight is one where you are carrying cargo, not
passengers. My first Angel Flight was a "milk run". I delivered 200 lbs
of frozen mother's milk from SJC to SBD.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Robert M. Gary]

At AngelFlight West we carry dogs or eyeballs.

-Robrt

[Steven Barnes]

I'm a pilot for Angel Flight Central. I believe (when I joined) you needed
200 PIC. No IFR required. I looked at LifeLine pilots, also. I don't think
they required an IFR rating, but they wanted 250 PIC. I was right at the 200
mark, so I joined AFC.

I think it is kinda weird that the different regions have different
requirements.


"Marty Shapiro" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> > We do have VFR pilots fly. During the winter we usually try to get IFR
> > backups. However, I think the minimum hours is 250 to be a Command
> > PIlot. The rules for us out West may be different though.
> >
>
> Angel Flight West does not require an IFR rating.
>
> --
> Marty Shapiro
> Silicon Rallye Inc.
>
> (remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Gary Drescher]

"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
> Peter,
> With which two in the Northeast are you a volunteer? I just hit 300 hours
> so
> I am seriously thinking about volunteering. However, is the 25 hour of
> actual (as in not simulated) a real requirement? on the Angel Flight
> Northeast website they mention 25 hour in "type" but I see no mention of
> IMC
> experience.

When I joined AFNE a few years ago, their Pilot Manual did assert a
requirement of 25 hours of IMC. I had nowhere near that, and told them so.
They said the requirement was a typo, and that the real requirement is just
for 25 hours of (any kind of) instrument time. So I've been flying Angel
Flight missions ever since (and I still have only 20 hours of IMC).

--Gary

[Rachel]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> We do have VFR pilots fly. During the winter we usually try to get IFR
> backups. However, I think the minimum hours is 250 to be a Command
> PIlot. The rules for us out West may be different though.
>
Do you have to own your own plane for this?

[Rachel]

Gary Drescher wrote:
<snip>
>
> When I joined AFNE a few years ago, their Pilot Manual did assert a
> requirement of 25 hours of IMC. I had nowhere near that, and told them so.
> They said the requirement was a typo, and that the real requirement is just
> for 25 hours of (any kind of) instrument time. So I've been flying Angel
> Flight missions ever since (and I still have only 20 hours of IMC).
>
> --Gary

25 hours seems like it would be hard to get. I have 22, and I was
actively seeking it out. There wasn't much IMC where I lived that
didn't include thunderstorms or ice.

Here, we don't get any kind of IMC, so it looks like I'll be stuck at 22
for a very long time.

[Morgans]

"Steven Barnes" > wrote

> I think it is kinda weird that the different regions have different
> requirements.

Not really, IMHO. Different weather, different terrain.

It is all about acceptable risk, and the ability to complete the mission a
high percentage of the time.

Some places, without IFR, you will be on the ground 3/4th's of the days;
others, you will be in the air 3/4th's of the days (or more) with VFR.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter R.]

Marco Leon <mmleonyahoo.com> wrote:

> With which two in the Northeast are you a volunteer? I just hit 300 hours so
> I am seriously thinking about volunteering. However, is the 25 hour of
> actual (as in not simulated) a real requirement? on the Angel Flight
> Northeast website they mention 25 hour in "type" but I see no mention of IMC
> experience.

Hey, Marco - Angel Flight Northeast and Angel Flight East, although
admittedly I have been flying only AFNE missions over the last year and a
half due to the convenience of the routes. Angel Flight NE's routes cover
mostly from Pennsylvania northeastward, whereas most of AFE's routes start
at PA and go south from there. Not too convenient for a pilot based in
upstate NY.

Certainly don't go by my word on the requirements, especially since it was
a few years ago when I joined and either my memory of them or some change
since then could account for the difference you noted.

Instead, call them and inquire directly, as you will then get the
requirements from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I do seem to remember
the 25 hours instrument time, though. The next time I talk to them I will
also ask about this.

--
Peter

[Peter R.]

Rachel > wrote:

> 25 hours seems like it would be hard to get. I have 22, and I was
> actively seeking it out. There wasn't much IMC where I lived that
> didn't include thunderstorms or ice.
>
> Here, we don't get any kind of IMC, so it looks like I'll be stuck at 22
> for a very long time.

I think this is region dependant. Downwind of the Great Lakes in the US,
fall and spring offer many benign, non-icing IFR days (1,500 ft ceiling
with tops around 5,000 ft, 3 miles visibility), at least in central NY
state.

--
Peter

[Marco Leon]

Peter,
Thanks for the clarification. I only have about 8 hours actual but over 83
hours simulated--close to 1/3 of my total time. I'll send in my application
to Angel Flight NE because it sounds like the routes would be more
convenient for me being based on Long Island.

What is the mission density? In other words, are there multiple missions
available every week or does one (that fits your profile) pop up every month
or so?

Thanks again,

Marco Leon

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Marco Leon <mmleonyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > With which two in the Northeast are you a volunteer? I just hit 300
hours so
> > I am seriously thinking about volunteering. However, is the 25 hour of
> > actual (as in not simulated) a real requirement? on the Angel Flight
> > Northeast website they mention 25 hour in "type" but I see no mention of
IMC
> > experience.
>
> Hey, Marco - Angel Flight Northeast and Angel Flight East, although
> admittedly I have been flying only AFNE missions over the last year and a
> half due to the convenience of the routes. Angel Flight NE's routes cover
> mostly from Pennsylvania northeastward, whereas most of AFE's routes start
> at PA and go south from there. Not too convenient for a pilot based in
> upstate NY.
>
> Certainly don't go by my word on the requirements, especially since it was
> a few years ago when I joined and either my memory of them or some change
> since then could account for the difference you noted.
>
> Instead, call them and inquire directly, as you will then get the
> requirements from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I do seem to remember
> the 25 hours instrument time, though. The next time I talk to them I
will
> also ask about this.
>
> --
> Peter



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[Peter R.]

Marco Leon <mmleonyahoo.com> wrote:

> What is the mission density? In other words, are there multiple missions
> available every week or does one (that fits your profile) pop up every month
> or so?

AFNE tends to have approximately three to five a day, so there are many
routes from which to choose. If you are based in Long Island you will see
quite a few originating or terminating at WestHampton Beach, as there is a
respected Lyme Disease treatment facility there. Teterboro and Boston, as
well as Martha's Vineyard, are also popular airports.

Report back if you join. :)

--
Peter

[John Doe]

> What is the mission density? In other words, are there multiple missions
> available every week or does one (that fits your profile) pop up every
> month
> or so?
>

Lots. Every week I get an email with atleast 50 or so missions. But there
are thousands of pilots on the list so most of them get filled.

I wish I could do more, heck I'd retire and do nothing but if I could afford
it. I wish there was an organization that would pay for the fuel of Angel
Flights. I'd probably do one a week if that was the case. Right now I can
only afford to do about one a month.

[George Patterson]

George wrote:

> I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would be.

One example would be flying organs from an organ donor to a recipient.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Marco Leon]

Wilco :)

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...

> Report back if you join. :)



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[Robert M. Gary]

yes

[Robert M. Gary]

I thought that's what I just said.

[Peter R.]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> I thought that's what I just said.

No need to be rude. There could be any number of reasons why your post did
not end up on his server.

--
Peter

[Michael]

>>Do you have to own your own plane for this?
>yes

No, or at least no at AFSC. You can rent. 100% of the rental fee is
tax deductible.

Michael

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

Beg to differ but you can rent a plane and fly an A/F mission. On topic, I
would definitely use the copilot option while I got my I/R. Angel Flight is
one of the best ways to be an ambassador on GA.

Besides, some of the best flights I've flown have been angel flights.

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> yes (to :Do you have to own your plane for Angel Flight?)
>

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

BTW, I know a CFII, Type rated up to a 737, who has 4 hours of actual IFR
(He's in Arizona)
I think time in type is as important.
Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.


"Rachel" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Drescher wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> When I joined AFNE a few years ago, their Pilot Manual did assert a
>> requirement of 25 hours of IMC. I had nowhere near that, and told them
>> so. They said the requirement was a typo, and that the real requirement
>> is just for 25 hours of (any kind of) instrument time. So I've been
>> flying Angel Flight missions ever since (and I still have only 20 hours
>> of IMC).
>>
>> --Gary
>
> 25 hours seems like it would be hard to get. I have 22, and I was
> actively seeking it out. There wasn't much IMC where I lived that didn't
> include thunderstorms or ice.
>
> Here, we don't get any kind of IMC, so it looks like I'll be stuck at 22
> for a very long time.

[Gary Drescher]

"Michael" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>>Do you have to own your own plane for this?
>>yes
>
> No, or at least no at AFSC. You can rent. 100% of the rental fee is
> tax deductible.

Same for AFNE. I use rental planes for AF missions.

--Gary

[[email protected]]

Gary,

Isn't that god-awful expensive?

Bryan

[Gary Drescher]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Same for AFNE. I use rental planes for AF missions.
>
> Gary,
>
> Isn't that god-awful expensive?

It's no more expensive than flying just for fun. AF missions are as much fun
as any other flying, plus they accomplish something useful.

--Gary

[Robert M. Gary]

Opps, I read the question wrong. I read the question as "Do you use
your own plane for this?" The answer is yes, however you don't have
troo.

HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

-Robert

[Gary Drescher]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
> pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
> 6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
> currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

There's no such requirement for renters at AFNE, however.

--Gary

[Marty Shapiro]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
oups.com:

> Opps, I read the question wrong. I read the question as "Do you use
> your own plane for this?" The answer is yes, however you don't have
> troo.
>
> HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
> pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
> 6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
> currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.
>
> -Robert
>

The ONLY requirement for a renter pilot is a one time checkout from
the FBO or flying club for the aircraft to be used. I'm not aware of any
FBO's or flying clubs which will let you rent without such a checkout.

All pilots must furnish proof of insurance. If you can rent from
multiple FBO's and/or clubs, then you need to furnish proof of insurance
from all of them you might use for an Angel Flight. Similarly, you must
also furnish proof of insurance for an aircraft you own.

The currency requirements apply to ALL pilots, not just renter pilots.
This rule states "Affirmation that the pilot has flown at least 50 hours
total time within the previous 12 months. If the total time minimum has not
been met, then affirmation that the pilot has received a flight review per
FAR 61.56 within the preceding 12 months. Participation and receipt of one
Phase in the FAA Wings program will suffice, if completed within the
previous 12 months (Wings Phase completion also resets flight review clock
per FAR 61.56 (e))."

The Angel Flight West pilot requirements can be found at
http://www.angelflight.org/members/requirements.asp

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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Marty Shapiro]

wrote in
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> Gary,
>
> Isn't that god-awful expensive?
>
> Bryan
>

After taxes, it may actually cost less to rent than to fly your own
plane on an Angel Flight mission. Basically, if you rent, you can deduct
the entire cost of the flight (rental, gas if a "dry" rental, ramp fees,
and landing fees). If you own, you can only deduct gas, ramp fees, &
landing fees.

The big difference is that a rental rate includes maintenance reserves
(engine overhaul, prop overhaul, radio maintenance, mechanical maintenance,
annual, etc.). None of these are deductible if you use your own aircraft.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[John Godwin]

Yes. A less urgent type of Angel Flight is transporting Mother's Milk.
San Jose, CA used to have a few of these flights on a regular basis.

George Patterson > wrote in
news:O3Txf.145$US3.136@trnddc04:

> George wrote:
> One example would be flying organs from an organ donor to a
> recipient.


--

[Marco Leon]

Hai,
Great! Be sure to introduce yourself if I don't recognize the name from
this group.

Marco

Longworth wrote:
> My husband and I will fill in the application in the spring. Maybe
> we will see you at one of the orientation meetings.
>
> Hai Longworth

[Stephen N Mills]

The practice at Angel Flight GA (based at PDK, Atlanta) that I fly for
is to deduct the 'fair market value' of the flight hours. An FBO on
the field rents a Cardinal '75 RG for $125+ per hour. I submit a
flight report after each flight in my owned '75 177RG. The next Jan,
AF sends me a statement showing the totals for my tax return.

- Steve Mills
N2679V 'Vicky'
Cardinal '75 RG
@ PDK, Atlanta



On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:25:29 GMT, Marty Shapiro
> wrote:

wrote in
ups.com:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Isn't that god-awful expensive?
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>
> After taxes, it may actually cost less to rent than to fly your own
>plane on an Angel Flight mission. Basically, if you rent, you can deduct
>the entire cost of the flight (rental, gas if a "dry" rental, ramp fees,
>and landing fees). If you own, you can only deduct gas, ramp fees, &
>landing fees.
>
> The big difference is that a rental rate includes maintenance reserves
>(engine overhaul, prop overhaul, radio maintenance, mechanical maintenance,
>annual, etc.). None of these are deductible if you use your own aircraft.

[Michael]

> HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
> pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
> 6 or 12 months (I don't recall which).

Not at AFSC. Every Angel Flight is a kingdom unto itself, and makes
its own rules. Some of them seem sensible on the surface, but really
they're all bad. Actually, once you get into the leadership structure,
the politics are hideous. I was once talked into serving as assistant
wing leader for a while - that lasted a few months and nearly soured me
on the whole concept.

> I never understood why the
> currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

It's another of those rules that, on the surface sounds good but isn't.
The logic is simple - most renters are low time and don't fly much, so
they need recurrent training the most. Thus it makes sense to make
sure they get it. It's all very logical - and it's bull****.

Most owners don't fly much either (I believe the average personal
airplane flies 26 hours a year) and, because they can fly whenever they
want, are even more likely to wait for better weather than renters.
Also, many of them get pencilwhipped BFR's - I know several who have
been getting their BFR's in a bar rather than an airplane for decades.
The difference is that renters are used to rules and bull****, and
owners feel they shouldn't have to deal with rules and bull****. Thus
extra rules for renters.

Michael

[Blanche]

Joining Angel Flight (anywhere) does not require you to pass all
the criteria for command pilot! You can still join (please do!) and
participate as a Mission Assistant, help with any of the typical
infrastructure needs (planning, marketing, membership & recruiting,
publicity, etc).

Don't *NOT* join just because you don't have all the qualifications
to be a command pilot.

[Blanche]

John Galban > wrote:
>
>George wrote:
>> I can't imagine what a non-passenger flight would
>> be.
> Don't know if Angel Flight is the same, but I've flown non-passenger
>missions for other organizations. Typically it means flying blood
>products (whole blood, plasma, etc...) to some of the more
>out-of-the-way places in your region.

Out here in the timezone the rest of the world forgets (I live in
the same time zone as John, just a couple states over) AFW is
important for blood and organ transportation. There's a blood drive
almost every week, somewhere in the Rocky Mountain area. For
example, if the drive is in Alamosa (ALS), it's 4 hours (or more,
depending on weather) to drive the blood back to Denver for the
blood center. According to Bonfils Center, AFW allows the blood
to be distributed 12-24 hours sooner than driving. AFW is really
needed out here due to the distances between major airports. We're
not exactly in the bush pilot league, but some of the airports we
fly to (and how we get there!) are truly out of the way.

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

Do you have any backup for this, i.e. IRS ruling or opinions? I am told it
is actual expenses only. An A36 rents nearby at $235/hr dry. I deduct
fuel only (approx. $65/hr) & add perhaps $5 for oil.

TIA, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

"Stephen N Mills" wrote in message :
> The practice at Angel Flight GA (based at PDK, Atlanta) that I fly for
> is to deduct the 'fair market value' of the flight hours. An FBO on
> the field rents a Cardinal '75 RG for $125+ per hour. I submit a
> flight report after each flight in my owned '75 177RG. The next Jan,
> AF sends me a statement showing the totals for my tax return.
>
> - Steve Mills
> N2679V 'Vicky'
> Cardinal '75 RG
> @ PDK, Atlanta

[Peter R.]

"Victor J. Osborne, Jr." > wrote:

> Do you have any backup for this, i.e. IRS ruling or opinions? I am told it
> is actual expenses only. An A36 rents nearby at $235/hr dry. I deduct
> fuel only (approx. $65/hr) & add perhaps $5 for oil.

Am I to assume that you are not flying the rental A36, but rather your own
aircraft?

One interpretation of your paragraph is that you rent the aircraft for
$235, but only deduct fuel and oil.

--
Peter

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

Sorry, no.

I own an A36. Fuel approx. 16/gal/hr + climb = $65/hr.
Elizabethan (0A9) has a an A36 for $235/hr/dry.

My question was, if I fly my own aircraft, can I deduct 'fair market' value,
..i.e. $200+ /hr?

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

"Peter R."

> Am I to assume that you are not flying the rental A36, but rather your own
> aircraft?
>
> One interpretation of your paragraph is that you rent the aircraft for
> $235, but only deduct fuel and oil.
>
> --
> Peter

[TaxSrv]

"Victor J. Osborne, Jr." wrote:
>
> I own an A36. Fuel approx. 16/gal/hr + climb = $65/hr.
> Elizabethan (0A9) has a an A36 for $235/hr/dry.
>
> My question was, if I fly my own aircraft, can I deduct 'fair market'
value,
> .i.e. $200+ /hr?

No. IRS Regulations state, for charitable contributions,
"...out-of-pocket transportation expenses necessarily incurred in
performing donated services are deductible." That means only fuel, oil,
and landing/parking fees.

Fred F.

[Peter R.]

TaxSrv > wrote:

> No. IRS Regulations state, for charitable contributions,
> "...out-of-pocket transportation expenses necessarily incurred in
> performing donated services are deductible." That means only fuel, oil,
> and landing/parking fees.

Take that total and then divide by 50%, right? The IRS just loves
charity. :(

--
Peter

[Robert M. Gary]

Thanks I see they did change that. It used to be that renter pilots
requied an annual checkout by their FBO. I'm not sure if that rule
lasted for an entire year. At one point I was a mission check pilot but
the eventually got rid of us. Last I checked, I still have Command
Pilot standing though.
Even after going back and forth, I think they still messed up the BFR
requirement. I don't know why they tried to get so fancy. Had they just
said, "you must meet the FAAs 61.56 requirement) it would be easy.Now
they list wings (which is redundant) and company check outs for 135
(which, again is redundant).
-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

Many, that mom must have been sore.

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

That's what I thought.

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
>
> No. IRS Regulations state, for charitable contributions,
> "...out-of-pocket transportation expenses necessarily incurred in
> performing donated services are deductible." That means only fuel, oil,
> and landing/parking fees.
>
> Fred F.
>

[George]

I just heard from Angel Flight SC. They now require 250 Hours, up from 200 for
Command PIlot.

George

George
If you request flight following, can you really "slip the surly bonds of earth"?

[Cub Driver]

Flew up to Lake Winnipesaukee NH yesterday, 40 knots going north, 80
knots returning. Alton Bay was frozen over, but the lake itself was
blue water. It has long been my ambition to land on the ice, but I
fear not in 2006.

The land is certainly different when covered with snow: can't tell the
ponds from the fields. Makes me grateful for the GPS.

Hampton airport was newly plowed. The last snowfall was a wet one, so
the surface was glazed. With a west wind on a north-south runway, the
Cub has a mind of its own. I did a Henry IV (wisdom the better part of
valor) and landed three-point. It's been a long time since I did that.
I hate it when the runway disappears and you can't see what's in front
of you!


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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[vincent p. norris]

>Flew up to Lake Winnipesaukee NH yesterday, 40 knots going north, 80
>knots returning.

It's been quite a while since I last flew a J-3, but IIRC, it cruises
at 73 mph. What was your ground speed returning, and please put a
plus or minus sign in front of the number. ((:-))

vince norris

[Cub Driver]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:53:58 -0500, vincent p. norris >
wrote:

>>Flew up to Lake Winnipesaukee NH yesterday, 40 knots going north, 80
>>knots returning.
>
>It's been quite a while since I last flew a J-3, but IIRC, it cruises
>at 73 mph. What was your ground speed returning, and please put a
>plus or minus sign in front of the number. ((:-))

Those were the ground speeds, read off the GPS. I don't do airspeeds
except when descending to the 45 -- I come over the Pease Class D at
2900 feet and almost immediately must come down to 1000 feet. Those
wings will be 60 years old in September, and I don't care to strees
them.

I use knots in the Cub because the cruise is typically 60 knots, which
makes it dead easy to mark off distances on the sectional. The width
of my thumb is ten minutes / ten miles.



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[vincent p. norris]

>>>Flew up to Lake Winnipesaukee NH yesterday, 40 knots going north, 80
>>>knots returning.
>>
>>It's been quite a while since I last flew a J-3, but IIRC, it cruises
>>at 73 mph. What was your ground speed returning, and please put a
>>plus or minus sign in front of the number. ((:-))
>
>Those were the ground speeds, read off the GPS.

OOOPS! My fault; I misread those as winds.

> Those wings will be 60 years old in September, and I don't care to strees
>them.

Very wise.
>
>I use knots in the Cub because the cruise is typically 60 knots, which
>makes it dead easy to mark off distances on the sectional.

Yeah, knots work better.

> The width of my thumb is ten minutes / ten miles.

Wow! You have a very muscular thumb! Mine is only seven.

vince norris