Could it happen here?

[Skylune]

http://www.goana.com.au/gaas.html

[Steve Foley]

Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> http://www.goana.com.au/gaas.html
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put in
place by the Australian government.




"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
> Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
>> http://www.goana.com.au/gaas.html
>>
>
>

[Flyingmonk]

>That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put in
>place by the Australian government.

Nah... No way a Auzzie gov't gonna put American tour operators out of
business. :^)

The Monk

[Steve Foley]

What securty laws?


"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put in
> place by the Australian government.
>
>
>
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
> >
> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > lkaboutaviation.com...
> >> http://www.goana.com.au/gaas.html
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Chris]

This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult

http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm


"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> What securty laws?
>
>
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
>> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put in
>> place by the Australian government.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>> >
>> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
>> > lkaboutaviation.com...
>> >> http://www.goana.com.au/gaas.html
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Gary Drescher]

>> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put
>>> in
>>> place by the Australian government.
>>>
>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>>> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What securty laws?
>>
"Chris" > wrote in message
...
> This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult
>
> http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm

What's the difficulty for a two-week safari?

--Gary

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Mainly this part...


Remember, if you operate an aircraft in Australian Territory after 31
December 2005 and you need to hold a license issued by CASA, you must have a
current AVID or ASIC.





"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
>>> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put
>>>> in
>>>> place by the Australian government.
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>>>> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>>
>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> What securty laws?
>>>
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> ...
>> This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult
>>
>> http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm
>
> What's the difficulty for a two-week safari?
>
> --Gary
>
>
>
>

[Gary Drescher]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
> Mainly this part...
>
>
> Remember, if you operate an aircraft in Australian Territory after 31
> December 2005 and you need to hold a license issued by CASA, you must have
> a current AVID or ASIC.

Right, so pilots need to have an aviation photo ID; or, for regular access
to secure areas at "public transport" airports, they need a security ID that
requires a background check.

Similar requirements exist now for all pilots at several GA airports here in
Massachusetts. I think the security requirment is an unwarranted intrusion;
but I don't see how it would put a tour operator out of business, or even
impose a significant impediment.

--Gary


> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put
>>>>> in
>>>>> place by the Australian government.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>>> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>>>>> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>>>
>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> What securty laws?
>>>>
>> "Chris" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult
>>>
>>> http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm
>>
>> What's the difficulty for a two-week safari?
>>
>> --Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
>> Mainly this part...
>>
>>
>> Remember, if you operate an aircraft in Australian Territory after 31
>> December 2005 and you need to hold a license issued by CASA, you must
>> have a current AVID or ASIC.
>
> Right, so pilots need to have an aviation photo ID; or, for regular access
> to secure areas at "public transport" airports, they need a security ID
> that requires a background check.
>
> Similar requirements exist now for all pilots at several GA airports here
> in Massachusetts. I think the security requirment is an unwarranted
> intrusion; but I don't see how it would put a tour operator out of
> business, or even impose a significant impediment.
>
> --Gary
>

As I understand it they were self flown tours. So they felt the added
requirements imposed by the law would stop foreign pilots from taking part.

[George Patterson]

Gary Drescher wrote:

> Right, so pilots need to have an aviation photo ID ....

Well, pilots from the U.S. are out of luck then; we don't have aviation photo IDs.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Gary Drescher]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
> As I understand it they were self flown tours. So they felt the added
> requirements imposed by the law would stop foreign pilots from taking
> part.

Oh, ok, I missed that part. Thanks.

--Gary

[Chris]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:y9Ryf.2552$h47.1181@trnddc08...
> Gary Drescher wrote:
>
>> Right, so pilots need to have an aviation photo ID ....
>
> Well, pilots from the U.S. are out of luck then; we don't have aviation
> photo IDs.

The aviation photo ID has to be issued by the Australian authorities. Also
to self pilot you need to have an Australian licence. The details are here
and if you have not lost the will to live you can see why self fly safari
holidays are not worth the effort.
http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/overbr.htm

[Margy]

Gary Drescher wrote:
>>>"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put
>>>>in
>>>>place by the Australian government.
>>>>
>>>>"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>>news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>>>>
>>>>>Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>>
>>"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>What securty laws?
>>>
>
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult
>>
>>http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm
>
>
> What's the difficulty for a two-week safari?
>
> --Gary
>
>
>
>
For some reason most of the messages on this thread were blank in my
newsreaders, so sorry if I repeat someone else. The problem faced by
GoAnna was that pilots would have to apply for a security card AFTER
then entered Australia. We went on a GoAnna flight this past summer
(knowing it might be our last chance). We had a GREAT time, but if we
had to go to Australia 2 or 3 weeks early to apply for the card it would
have made it a 5 or more week vacation. A 3.5 week get away was
difficult enough to plan! It's a shame Mal is out of business it was
the best 12 days of our lives. We saw really cool stuff.

Margy

[Roger]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:24:15 -0500, "Gary Drescher"
> wrote:

>"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>> Mainly this part...
>>
>>
>> Remember, if you operate an aircraft in Australian Territory after 31
>> December 2005 and you need to hold a license issued by CASA, you must have
>> a current AVID or ASIC.
>
>Right, so pilots need to have an aviation photo ID; or, for regular access
>to secure areas at "public transport" airports, they need a security ID that
>requires a background check.
>
>Similar requirements exist now for all pilots at several GA airports here in
>Massachusetts. I think the security requirment is an unwarranted intrusion;
>but I don't see how it would put a tour operator out of business, or even
>impose a significant impediment.

Now suppose you run a business that caters to foreign pilots and that
is the vast portion of your business. Now what if each of those
pilots had to have a US issued license to fly those planes?

That means, unlike one of us going to a different airport and having
to get checked out before flying the FBO's airplanes, we'd have to
sign up and go through all the training required to earn a US license.
before then could rent us a plane.

Incidentally the US already has a "Universal Licensing System" called
a driver's license with a photo ID.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>--Gary
>
>
>> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> That tour operator was forced out of business by the security laws put
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> place by the Australian government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4IUxf.547$FS3.544@trndny04...
>>>>>> > Could what happen here? A tour operator goes out of business?
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> What securty laws?
>>>>>
>>> "Chris" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> This stuff, makes a two week safari too difficult
>>>>
>>>> http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/licence/index.htm
>>>
>>> What's the difficulty for a two-week safari?
>>>
>>> --Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>