Is this yet another Cirrus

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Or one we've previously talked about?



Both occupants of a Cirrus SR22 walked away from what became a fiery crash
at Lincoln Park Airport in New Jersey, Sunday afternoon. The aircraft was
landing when it started to the left of the runway, the pilot applied
throttle, and the aircraft veered further left, according to a policeman
interviewed by the Associated Press. The aircraft impacted trees some 100
feet from the runway. The two men escaped the wreckage before it burned...

[Skylune]

Is this yet another Cirrus
by "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> Jan 23, 2006 at 11:08 AM


Or one we've previously talked about?<<

It IS hard to keep track of them all. Article below refers to this as the
fifth at this airport since 9/05:

Pilot, passenger walk away from small plane crash in Lincoln Park



LINCOLN PARK, N.J. - A small plane attempting to land at a Morris County
airport burst into flames after it went off the runway and slammed into
some trees on Sunday afternoon, but the two men on board walked away from
the crash.

The single-engine Cirrus SR22 started to veer left as the pilot tried to
land at Lincoln Park Airport around 3:40 p.m., authorities said. Knowing
he could not land the plane evenly, the pilot tried to throttle the plane
back up, but that caused it to veer farther to the left and slam into some
trees about 100 feet away from the runway, Lincoln Park Patrolman...

Both men were able to get out of the plane before it became engulfed in
flames and were not seriously injured, Bosland said. The Federal Aviation
Administration is investigating the crash, which was the fifth incident at
or near the airport since September 2005. The last occurred Jan. 11, when
a small plane with engine trouble landed in a field in Pequannock, about a
mile from the airstrip.


January 22, 2006 11:53 PM

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<blind speculation on>

So the aircraft veered to the left of the runway? Wonder if that had
anything to do with improper application of brakes, as the SR22 has a
castering nosewheel and can be a tad darty without a deft touch. Or, a
sticking brake? Maybe just bad Xwind procedure? All of the above?

Seems to me applying power was just fueling the fire (so to speak) as
the higher engine torque and gyro precession of the prop would be
greater, thereby sending the plane into the weeds. Still, glad to read
both guys got out relatively unscathed. More bad press for Cirrus,
though.

[Darkwing]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Or one we've previously talked about?
>
>
>
> Both occupants of a Cirrus SR22 walked away from what became a fiery crash
> at Lincoln Park Airport in New Jersey, Sunday afternoon. The aircraft was
> landing when it started to the left of the runway, the pilot applied
> throttle, and the aircraft veered further left, according to a policeman
> interviewed by the Associated Press. The aircraft impacted trees some 100
> feet from the runway. The two men escaped the wreckage before it burned...
>
>

I seen that earlier today, I think that is a new one (again!).

Cirrus get your's today!

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DW

[john smith]

> So the aircraft veered to the left of the runway? Wonder if that had
> anything to do with improper application of brakes, as the SR22 has a
> castering nosewheel and can be a tad darty without a deft touch. Or, a
> sticking brake? Maybe just bad Xwind procedure? All of the above?
> Seems to me applying power was just fueling the fire (so to speak) as
> the higher engine torque and gyro precession of the prop would be
> greater, thereby sending the plane into the weeds. Still, glad to read
> both guys got out relatively unscathed. More bad press for Cirrus,
> though.

Isn't everything you have described above a characteristic of an
inexperience pilot flying an airplane he/she is not ready for?
I have yet to see a study that compares pilot hours, ratings, training,
and personal wealth/income with the high accident/incident rate
exhibited by Cirrus Design aircraft of late.

[Ron Lee]

john smith > wrote:

>> So the aircraft veered to the left of the runway? Wonder if that had
>> anything to do with improper application of brakes, as the SR22 has a
>> castering nosewheel and can be a tad darty without a deft touch. Or, a
>> sticking brake? Maybe just bad Xwind procedure? All of the above?
>> Seems to me applying power was just fueling the fire (so to speak) as
>> the higher engine torque and gyro precession of the prop would be
>> greater, thereby sending the plane into the weeds. Still, glad to read
>> both guys got out relatively unscathed. More bad press for Cirrus,
>> though.
>
>Isn't everything you have described above a characteristic of an
>inexperience pilot flying an airplane he/she is not ready for?
>I have yet to see a study that compares pilot hours, ratings, training,
>and personal wealth/income with the high accident/incident rate
>exhibited by Cirrus Design aircraft of late.

I agree. Nothing I have seen suggests any problems with the airplane.

The pilot's abilities and judgement are certainly open for question.

Ron Lee

[nrp]

Maybe another case of pilot control reversal - where on power-up &
heading for the left side weeds, he tried to steer with the ailerons
(like a car) instead of the rudder/brake pedals.

Maybe he had a left crosswind too?

[G Farris]

In article
utaviation.com>,
>
>It IS hard to keep track of them all. Article below refers to this as the
>fifth at this airport since 9/05:
>

And in all five incidents, how many fatalities? Zero.
How many injuries of "innocents" on the ground? Zero.
How much destruction of property. Zero (well, a couple of trees).

Typical numbers for GA.
People should remember that a large majority of GA accidents are non-fatal.
And the number of people killed on the ground, in a typical year, is zero.

GF

[[email protected]]

I was at the airport watching the flames consume this plane. My
student (solo) was waiting to take off #2 on the taxiway. Another
instructor from my school was with his student also waiting in #1
position. They both describe its final approach to be very odd in that
the plane was coming down with a very high angle of attack. They also
say that once the plane slammed to the ground, the landing gears
buckled, the wings shook, and power may have been applied around the
time the left wing struck the ground. It somersaulted into the woods.
If the plane went to the right, it would have hit both my school's
planes. Lucky that planes have a left yawing tendency.

-John

Darkwing wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Or one we've previously talked about?
> >
> >
> >
> > Both occupants of a Cirrus SR22 walked away from what became a fiery crash
> > at Lincoln Park Airport in New Jersey, Sunday afternoon. The aircraft was
> > landing when it started to the left of the runway, the pilot applied
> > throttle, and the aircraft veered further left, according to a policeman
> > interviewed by the Associated Press. The aircraft impacted trees some 100
> > feet from the runway. The two men escaped the wreckage before it burned...
> >
> >
>
> I seen that earlier today, I think that is a new one (again!).
>
> Cirrus get your's today!
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> DW

[B a r r y]

wrote:
> I was at the airport watching the flames consume this plane. My
> student (solo) was waiting to take off #2 on the taxiway.

Something every solo student likes to see. <G>

Barry

[Darkwing]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>I was at the airport watching the flames consume this plane. My
> student (solo) was waiting to take off #2 on the taxiway. Another
> instructor from my school was with his student also waiting in #1
> position. They both describe its final approach to be very odd in that
> the plane was coming down with a very high angle of attack. They also
> say that once the plane slammed to the ground, the landing gears
> buckled, the wings shook, and power may have been applied around the
> time the left wing struck the ground. It somersaulted into the woods.
> If the plane went to the right, it would have hit both my school's
> planes. Lucky that planes have a left yawing tendency.
>
> -John


So did they get out and go help the guy? I don't know what the hell you
would do if that happened in front of you, call 911/FBO and shut the plane
down I assume.

--------------------------------------------
DW

[Happy Dog]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
>> So the aircraft veered to the left of the runway? Wonder if that had
>> anything to do with improper application of brakes, as the SR22 has a
>> castering nosewheel and can be a tad darty without a deft touch. Or, a
>> sticking brake? Maybe just bad Xwind procedure? All of the above?
>> Seems to me applying power was just fueling the fire (so to speak) as
>> the higher engine torque and gyro precession of the prop would be
>> greater, thereby sending the plane into the weeds. Still, glad to read
>> both guys got out relatively unscathed. More bad press for Cirrus,
>> though.
>
> Isn't everything you have described above a characteristic of an
> inexperience pilot flying an airplane he/she is not ready for?
> I have yet to see a study that compares pilot hours, ratings, training,
> and personal wealth/income with the high accident/incident rate
> exhibited by Cirrus Design aircraft of late.

I have yet to see proof that there is a significantly high accident rate.

moo