Keeping a builders log

[Lou]

Ok, I've been building my plane for the last 2 years. A wood and fabric
plans built.
I purchased the raw material and milled everything myself. Up until
recently I've
kept a buiders log on everything I have made, built, and glued.
Question. Do I need to log every minute? There are days after days of
cutting very small
pieces and glueing 1,2, and 3 peices at a time, let stand overnight,
and glue 2 pieces again.
There are times that its only 2 minutes. I'm not complaining, I'm
really enjoying the woodworking. But, do I need to log every minute or
is there a better way to log the week?
Lou

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Lou" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ok, I've been building my plane for the last 2 years. A wood and fabric
> plans built.
> I purchased the raw material and milled everything myself. Up until
> recently I've
> kept a buiders log on everything I have made, built, and glued.
> Question. Do I need to log every minute? There are days after days of
> cutting very small
> pieces and glueing 1,2, and 3 peices at a time, let stand overnight,
> and glue 2 pieces again.
> There are times that its only 2 minutes. I'm not complaining, I'm
> really enjoying the woodworking. But, do I need to log every minute or
> is there a better way to log the week?
> Lou
>

No there is no requirement to log every minute. The written part of my log
will be the notes I made on the plans and the construction manual. You are
required to have a photo log as well.

[Lou]

Photo's I have.
Lou

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Lou" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Photo's I have.
> Lou
>

You should be ok then. The purpose of the log as far as the FAA is concerned
is that you did indeed build the thing. There is plenty of my blood splatter
on the inside of the plane to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I did
the work on mine.

[.Blueskies.]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message ...
>
>
> ...There is plenty of my blood splatter on the inside of the plane to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I did the
> work on mine.
>
>
>

So DNA analysis will help also, eh? ;-)

[Kyle Boatright]

"Lou" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ok, I've been building my plane for the last 2 years. A wood and fabric
> plans built.
> I purchased the raw material and milled everything myself. Up until
> recently I've
> kept a buiders log on everything I have made, built, and glued.
> Question. Do I need to log every minute? There are days after days of
> cutting very small
> pieces and glueing 1,2, and 3 peices at a time, let stand overnight,
> and glue 2 pieces again.
> There are times that its only 2 minutes. I'm not complaining, I'm
> really enjoying the woodworking. But, do I need to log every minute or
> is there a better way to log the week?
> Lou

I started with a written log and bagged that idea quickly. When I was done
working for the night, I had no desire to take 30 seconds and make a logbook
entry. What I did instead was buy several of the little disposable cameras
and take pictures from time to time. My DAR had absolutely no problem with
that approach, particularly since it was obvious that my airplane was built
in an attached two car garage, which gives credibility to the idea of an
amateur built airplane...

KB

[abripl]

There is a shareware software builders log on my website. It can keep
track of photo's too.
----------------------------------------
http://www.abri.com/sq2000

[BobR]

The only reason for you to maintain a detail builders log and log every
minute is if you want to document exactly how many hours you spent
working on the plane. Outside of that, you need only maintain a log
with sufficient detail to prove that you built the plane. Photos of
your progress throughtout the building process will be enough for even
the pickiest inspector.

[abripl]

The photos and log do not have to be on paper. Having it on computer
records which the inspector can see is sufficient. When I finished my
plane it would have taken over two hundred pages to print all the
description and photos.

[Richard Lamb]

abripl wrote:
> The photos and log do not have to be on paper. Having it on computer
> records which the inspector can see is sufficient. When I finished my
> plane it would have taken over two hundred pages to print all the
> description and photos.
>

I documented the parasol on my personal web site.
Ot would ruin two reams to print it on paper.

He'll just have to settle for the on-line vrsion...

Richard

[Lou]

Ok, got the picture, but will the online log be able to get me the
mechanics certificate for this plane?
Lou

[abripl]

It is a "repairmans" certificate (I got one). The log does not give it
to you. You fill out the appropriate application form and give it to
the inspector when he comes to inspect your plane. Download and read
the FAA amateur builder advisory circular from
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf
It has all the info with lots of forms to fill out.

[Richard Lamb]

abripl wrote:
> It is a "repairmans" certificate (I got one). The log does not give it
> to you. You fill out the appropriate application form and give it to
> the inspector when he comes to inspect your plane. Download and read
> the FAA amateur builder advisory circular from
> http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf
> It has all the info with lots of forms to fill out.
>

Or, save a couple of days downloading by visiting your loco FAA guys.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Richard Lamb" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> abripl wrote:
>> It is a "repairmans" certificate (I got one). The log does not give it
>> to you. You fill out the appropriate application form and give it to
>> the inspector when he comes to inspect your plane. Download and read
>> the FAA amateur builder advisory circular from
>> http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf
>> It has all the info with lots of forms to fill out.
>>
>
> Or, save a couple of days downloading by visiting your loco FAA guys.

It took me longer to write this reply than it took to download the file.

Printing on the other hand...

[BobR]

I don't think I will have too much of a problem either, the complete
set of documentation including photos and narrative are on my web site
for my plane and have been throughtout the process.

[BobR]

Hell, I will create a CD of the entire building process if it will make
them happy but I sure wouldn't want to print it all.

[Richard Lamb]

BobR wrote:

> I don't think I will have too much of a problem either, the complete
> set of documentation including photos and narrative are on my web site
> for my plane and have been throughtout the process.
>
And the link is?
(drum roll please)

[Roger]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:48:18 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote:

>
>"Lou" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Ok, I've been building my plane for the last 2 years. A wood and fabric
>> plans built.
>> I purchased the raw material and milled everything myself. Up until
>> recently I've
>> kept a buiders log on everything I have made, built, and glued.
>> Question. Do I need to log every minute? There are days after days of
>> cutting very small
>> pieces and glueing 1,2, and 3 peices at a time, let stand overnight,
>> and glue 2 pieces again.
>> There are times that its only 2 minutes. I'm not complaining, I'm
>> really enjoying the woodworking. But, do I need to log every minute or
>> is there a better way to log the week?
>> Lou
>>
>
>No there is no requirement to log every minute. The written part of my log
>will be the notes I made on the plans and the construction manual. You are
>required to have a photo log as well.

I have one log which is a combination text and photos. The HTML
version is on-line, at home it is in PDF. I keep time to the nearest
hour.

If I have a bunch of short days I combine them, but virtually every
step is photographed in order and in the log with descriptions. I
think this is far more than necessary, but some of the locals do keep
time to the minute. OTOH there are several who do not keep any time,
just worked on this part today and photos of the various stages of
construction.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>

[Roger]

On 25 Jan 2006 18:00:57 -0800, "abripl" >
wrote:

>The photos and log do not have to be on paper. Having it on computer
>records which the inspector can see is sufficient. When I finished my
>plane it would have taken over two hundred pages to print all the
>description and photos.

200? I'm wayyy past that and I have a long way to go. <:-))
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/G3_files/GIII_Diary.htm

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Richard Lamb]

Roger wrote:


>
> I have one log which is a combination text and photos. The HTML
> version is on-line, at home it is in PDF. I keep time to the nearest
> hour.
>
> If I have a bunch of short days I combine them, but virtually every
> step is photographed in order and in the log with descriptions. I
> think this is far more than necessary, but some of the locals do keep
> time to the minute. OTOH there are several who do not keep any time,
> just worked on this part today and photos of the various stages of
> construction.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)


> www.rogerhalstead.com
>

Roger, you might could be a little more specific on that?

You got a lot of stuff there...


Richard

[BobR]

The Drum roll is not necessary but here is the link anyway.

http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com

Its been around for a while and I use it to support the builders of
both the two place and four place KIS aircraft.

[Richard Lamb]

BobR wrote:
> The Drum roll is not necessary but here is the link anyway.
>
> http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com
>
> Its been around for a while and I use it to support the builders of
> both the two place and four place KIS aircraft.
>

I rummaged around for a while and found your Glassair log.

That's one of the most detailed builders log I've ever seen.

Way cool.


Richard

[Roger]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:38:41 GMT, Richard Lamb
> wrote:

>Roger wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I have one log which is a combination text and photos. The HTML
>> version is on-line, at home it is in PDF. I keep time to the nearest
>> hour.
>>
>> If I have a bunch of short days I combine them, but virtually every
>> step is photographed in order and in the log with descriptions. I
>> think this is far more than necessary, but some of the locals do keep
>> time to the minute. OTOH there are several who do not keep any time,
>> just worked on this part today and photos of the various stages of
>> construction.
>>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>
>
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>>
>
>Roger, you might could be a little more specific on that?

errr... On what? And thanks..I think.
I'd hate to guess how many hours I have just in creating the log<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>You got a lot of stuff there...
>
>
>Richard

[Brad]

Earlier, BobR wrote:

> I don't think I will have too much of a problem either, the complete
> set of documentation including photos and narrative are on my web site
> for my plane and have been throughtout the process.

Me too:

http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24

Thanks, and best regards to all

Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com

[Roger]

On 28 Jan 2006 00:32:47 -0800, "Brad" > wrote:

>Earlier, BobR wrote:
>
>> I don't think I will have too much of a problem either, the complete
>> set of documentation including photos and narrative are on my web site
>> for my plane and have been throughtout the process.
>
>Me too:
>
>http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24
>
>Thanks, and best regards to all

Very nice, but where do you mount the 300 HP Lycosarus?<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>Bob K.
>http://www.hpaircraft.com