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Mick
January 24th 06, 03:13 PM
Folks,

Thought this was too important to get lost in the past. And I conclude
more than ever that Jim Campbell does bad things, is bad for aviation,
and has no business in the aviation community. The most salient points
are, in my opinion, the references to glowing reviews of unsafe
aircraft by Jim Campbell, who has repeatedly shown that his reviews are
not to be trusted.

Best to all,
Mick



__________________________________________
>From Tony P >
Organization Vincit omnia veritas, vincit qui patitur.
Date Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:54:43 -0500
Newsgroups rec.aviation.homebuilt


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Milt:

I assume from your tone that you are sincere, and are simply unaware
of
some of the issues. I hardly intend to educate you in a single
message,
but would refer you to sources like Dejanews and John Ousterhout's page
at http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster for a bit of information. Take a
look at my summary on consumer advocacy and commecial conflicts of
interest at <http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=384796352&fmt=raw>
(There have been a LOT of decent summaries of his history of mental
illness and lying, if you care to look for them. Hell, the transcripts
of the court hearing are available online, along with the judge's
findings of his mental illness.)

If you are saying that Campbell isn't always wrong, of course that's
true. If you're saying that sometimes he espouses views you and I and
others share, that's pretty obvious. Remember his crocodile tears
about
John Denver? Gosh, he was almost as broken up as the family.

I once took the position that if Campbell was good for aviation, I
didn't care whether he beat his wife, was an asshole or had warts. I
figured nobody else was standing up to the crooks in aviation and
somebody had to. (Don't believe me? Go back and look at my late '96
posts around here.) I changed my mind when I concluded that most of
his
attacks on companies seemed utterly untrustworthy and probably
motivated
by personal feuds, and when I observed that the personality he exhibits
now is just as obnoxious, self-centered, dishonest, pusillanimous and
bullying as the one depicted in his mental illness hearing in 1980.
It
wasn't until I saw him in action - saw the way he intimidates and
threatens and manipulates and attempts to silence people, saw the
magnitude of his lies and the untrustworthiness of ANYTHING written in
his magazine - most of which I had assumed true in making my assessment
of his value, that I realized: Jim Campbell's only value in aviation is
TO HIMSELF. Aviation does not benefit from the occasional belated
accuracy of a man who is just as likely to attack a company because of
a
personal dispute as he is for a legitimate reason. Nor does it benefit
from a man who is just as likely to rave about a machine that could be
a
"death trap" as to accurately criticize one (read his rave review of
the
Mini 500 in the magazine - do you see any reference to bad design,
cheap
hardware, etc. ?). And that is EXACTLY what I concluded was the case
with him.

There was once a Frenchman named Chauvin - the man from whom the word
"Chauvinism" comes. This old codger would rise up and shout "Vive La
France" or the equivalent every time it was remotely possible to make
an
expression of patriotism. Hell, it's a common ploy by politicians.
Why
do they do it? Well, WHO IS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THEM?? And if they
can raise a cheer that everybody else joins in, they can look like a
leader when they haven't generated a single new thought nor made a
contribution of any kind. (Incidentally "male chauvinism" - the
expression inappropriately shortened to "chauvinism" in recent years -
never WAS simply a criticism of sexism. It implied that every time a
sexist male uttered his ignorant opinion, you and I and the rest of the
males cheered him on. It was, in short, anti-male propaganda.)

Campbell has mastered the art of seeing which way the crowd is
running,
pretending to be out front of it and shouting louder than anyone else
"Go that way! Go that way!" in order to seek attention. It was true in
the Bob Hoover case - in which he would have you believe it was HIS
efforts that accomplished a reprieve - and in every other case I see
where he's taken a supportable position. Do you doubt this? Go back
and read the AVWeb piece on the Mini 500, weeks before Campbell posted
his first "notice." And compare the well-researched excellence of that
page with the technical ambiguity and "me-tooism" of Campbell's piece.
THEN go back and read his piece on the Mini 500 in the magazine - in
which he gave it such a ringing endorsement that everybody wanted to go
out and buy one. How many of those now in danger or even killed by
that
aircraft DID SO AFTER READING CAMPBELL'S ENTHUSIASTIC PRAISE? How can
you praise his attacks today and ignore his contribution to the
problem? And how many advertising dollars did he earn as a result of
that glowing report (companies do NOT advertise where they are
criticized).

Campbell is not an engineer, not a scientist nor even a technician.
He
isn't an A&P or an IA. He hasn't even attended a trade school for
airplane mechanics. Ex-associates and significant others claim he
can't
turn a wrench competently. He doesn't write technical articles and I
doubt he reads them either. He has a high-school diploma, and zero
credentials regarding aircraft design of ANY kind, much less
rotorcraft. (And yes, education IS important - CRITICALLY important -
in any technical endeavor. Flying ultralights makes one not at all
qualified to design aircraft or credibly comment on their design. But
Mr. Campbell seems to like the "direct" route to expertise - simply
CLAIM it and most people won't argue; hell if it appears in print, it
must be true, right? And he is the most qualified "aero-journalist" in
the world, because he says it.)

Perhaps none of this matters. Perhaps you don't care that Campbell
failed to deliver an issue of the magazine for ten months, and never
even bothered to send a postcard to us subscribers explaining why.
Perhaps you don't care about the tens of thousands of dollars in new
subscription renewal moneys he solicited and accepted RIGHT BEFORE HE
STOPPED PUBLISHING, when he must have known there would never be a
November, '96 issue. Or the fact that that money -- $30,000 in just
two
checks within a few weeks --- was promptly moved out of the magazine
publishing company and into his book-publishing corporation venture
instead (this stuff is public record - read the Trustee's suit).
Perhaps you don't care about his having accepted tens of thousands of
dollars in advertising money and even book orders for the Sportplane
Resource Guide - due out in '96 and not delivered until '98 -- and
then
a rehash of the original '94-'95 obsolete information.

Hell, maybe you don't care about Mr. Campbell's business ethics at all.

Perhaps you don't care about the string of printers used and then
stiffed and left unpaid for months of magazines printed, or the number
who have had to sue him to get paid even partly, or had to accept
payments over many months and finally got stiffed altogether in the
bankruptcy. Look at the Bankruptcy Court claims, where the last two
who
are out close to $100,000 and nearly $40,000 according to the records
ended up with nothing. Heck, even the guy who printed those little
subscription cards in the magazine didn't get paid. I suggest you take
your stack of U.S. Aviator magazines and separate them into two piles:
(1) Those that were PAID for and (2) Those that WERE SOLD TO YOU and
Campbell's company took the money from you and advertisers, but where
the writers, printers and others got stiffed. #2 would be quite a
stack.

Do you care about his failure to pay everyone from the nonprofit Boys &
Girls Clubs of Lakeland (for BRATWURSTS, for God's sake) - who had to
sue him and threaten his ability to ever have a Sun & Fun party again
--
to the florist who delivered his wife's anniversary and Valentine's Day
flowers, to electricians, personnel agencies, suppliers, and
consultants? Do you want the list of writers he stiffed (and in some
cases never even told them their stories had been run?) and the list of
those who will NEVER write for him again? Worse, how about not paying
even the withholding taxes taken from his employees' paychecks??
Perhaps
you don't care about his treatment of the woman, well actually woMEN he
claimed to care about. Perhaps you don't care about his treatment of
employees and former employees (did you know that THREE of them had
"anonymous" calls made to state children's welfare agencies claiming
they were guilty of child abuse right after leaving his employment on
bad terms?). Perhaps you don't care about the $400,000 in creditors he
left stiffed when dumped Airedale Press, Inc. in bankruptcy and took
all
the assets of the magazine it had published since its inception, the
airplane it had paid for and renovated, the cash from its accounts,
computers, printers and even its chairs and tables and started spitting
out a magazine in the name of a new, nonexistent company. Or his
having
promoted subscription renewals in 1996 when there WAS no November '96
issue in existence and he had to know the magazine wouldn't print an
issue for months, if ever again.

Perhaps you don't care about misrepresentations to advertisers ad
others, about the magazine's circulation and how long it's been
published, even the number of annual parties he's held. Or his use of
the magazine to attack companies owned by those who criticized Mr.
Campbell or argued with him, or his failure to disclose that a company
he scathingly attacked (referring to its principal as a "drug runner"
among other things) was actually owned by his own ex-partner with whom
he had had a vicious dispute? Or that he was in fact involved in a
personal dispute with his own EX-FIANCE when he attacked her employer
for HER actions, describing her only as the company's "employee"?
Perhaps you don't care about his being ejected repeatedly from Sun &
Fun, most recently while screaming obscenities and calling the Lakeland
Police officers "F**king Neo-Nazis." Perhaps you don't care about Mr.
CAmpbell's penchant for calling the homes of his critics or adversaries
and ranting at their children, or calling the wives of their EAA
chapter
officers and threatening to sue them into the ground. Or his endless
threats to sue when criticized. [Or, given your concerns about stupid
litigation, the fact that he's sued fourteen people for nothing more
than doing precisely that - one for nothing more than posting public
COURT proceedings?]

Perhaps you don't care about Campbell claiming to have flown relief
missions in Africa, having thousands of PIC flight hours overseas,
about
testimony and repeated reports of his having falsely claimed to have
been a Japan Airlines Captain, to have flown 747's, to have been a
Hollywood stunt man, a CIA operative, a Vietnam veteran, to have had a
wife die tragically of illness, no, er uh an accident. Or having
harassed poor Laurel Ramey all over the country after she merely tried
to get away from him. I can't even begin to catalog here the list of
former employees, friends, partners and business associates, writers
and
others who describe this man's personality and credibility in emphatic
and negative terms. You have to do the research, wait for court
testimony or read the book.

Here's the stuff on conflicts of interest. I hope the foregoing has
been educational.

From:
"Tony P." >
Subject:
Re: Wingman150
Date:
25 Aug 1998 00:00:00 GMT
To:
Wingman150 >
Organization:
Vincit omnia veritas, vincit qui patutur.
Reply-To:

Newsgroups:
rec.aviation.rotorcraft,
rec.aviation.homebuilt

Okay, Wingperson, you're not convinced Campbell is a bad man. And as
long as you want videotapes of Campbell robbing a bank, you won't be.
Just hang around and keep paying attention. Time is what's convinced
others. Don't take offense, but I don't think ANYONE at 15 is much of
a
judge of credibility even if it's worthwhile to try. It's hard to let
go of heroes -- even some of us old geezers have trouble with it. I
defended him for many months myself before I saw him in action.

I frankly don't believe that whether or not one person thinks
Jim
Campbell is a "nice guy" merits much comment. It certainly isn't what
I
am interested in. Like whom you want, but that's not the issue.
And I also agree that the rancor needs a rest.

Angry emotions are unnecessary to a debate of fact and issue.
I
am
always appalled when some new, previously-unheard-of Campbell advocate
begins hurling insults in response to factual debate, then others decry
the nastiness. That scenario has repeated itself again here.
This isn't a matter of emotions, and the fact that you LIKE
Campbell
and find him charming is nice, but meaningless. Hell, the shrinks in
the mental illness hearing found him likeable and charming too. But
whether we LIKE him isn't important.

I suspect you've (and many others have) misperceived the entire
issue.
Certainly you misperceive my point. The question isn't whether you or I
believe Campbell is a good person, a bad person or a nut. That's why I
continued to defend him even after learning he had a mental illness
history and a lousy personality (as reported by those close to him).
THE
QUESTION IS SOLELY WHETHER HE HAS THE CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY AND
OBJECTIVITY TO PASS JUDGMENT ON OTHERS -- ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE
AVIATION
BUSINESSES TO WHOM HE LOOKS FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT HIS MAGAZINE. When a
magazine purports to pass judgment on products and companies, it has a
fundamental dilemma -- magazines make their money on advertisers
(subscriptions cover only a minor part of the costs). Advertisers who
get bad press don't buy ads. Advertisers who get good press, do.

Let's put aside the obvious offputting stuff -- like the fact
that
Campbell's company didn't send out a magazine to its subscribers from
October, 1996 to July, 1997, and that it never so much as mailed its
subscribers (including myself) a postcard explaining why, or the
conflicting stories it told during that time (including concealing the
fact that his wife had simply left him back in July, 1996, for good).
Ignore the fact that Campbell continued to sell subscriptions the whole
time, or that an affiliate meanwhile sold not-yet-existing books for
perhaps 1 1/2 years without delivering them or returning the money. Or
that when a mag finally was sent out, it had the name of a new,
nonexistent company on it. Let's ignore that obvious, curious stuff
and
focus on the big picture.

There's an important ethical principle involved here. We don't
allow
sexual harrassment at work, and officers can't "fraternize" with
subordinates in the military. Priests and psychiatrists aren't allowed
to have personal relationships with those they counsel. We don't
subject our children to exploitation by adults or authority figures.
Government regulators can't have financial relationships with the
companies they inspect or regulate. Judges can't have financial
relationships with law firms. Why? because persons in power ought not
to be able to take advantage of those over whom they HAVE power. Power
makes the dominated person treat the empowered person with favor and
advantage, and that treatment -- be it money, advantage, sexual favor,
whatever -- influences the person in power. Ever hear the saying
"POWER
CORRUPTS"? Or heard that some people seek power like others seek air
and food?

This is why ANY legal or social institution HAS A RIGID CODE OF
ETHICS
FOR THOSE WHO ARE PLACED IN POSITIONS OF POWER. And rigid scrutiny by
others of any person in such a position. Public servants regularly go
to
jail for conflicts of interest. Even respected journalists have a
thoroughly-documented set of standards that are accepted in the
industry. Respected newspapers place rigid policies in place to
oversee
the judgments of any individual, with publishers and editors with
authority to overrule writers, with committees overseeing the ethics of
editors and with peer-oversight mechanisms when something goes wrong
anyway. (Forget for now that NONE of that ever existed in Campbell's
one-man-in control operations.)

Note that Consumer Reports, the ONLY truly respected
publication
in
general product evaluation and consumer protection, takes NO
advertising. Similarly, Aviation Consumer takes none, just like Light
Plane Maintenance (which is why the latter are so damned expensive --
$70 or $80 a year if I recall my last renewal).

Consumer Reports has a large nonprofit foundation behind it.
It
spends
millions of dollars on testing, engineering review and
information-gathering. It has numerous experts, with numerous degrees,
on its staff. Its reputation is based on total objectivity and
integrity.

Note that in experimental aviation, we have a "small pond."
One
suggestion of insolvency, bad design or dishonesty is enough to kill
almost any company. Heck, almost all kit companies are marginal --
even
some big ones. Any publisher holds life or death power, if he's
unprincipled enough to wield it selfishly. The cancellation of a few
contracts based on an inflammatory article can -- and in one case
clearly DID kill a company and leave its builders unsupported.

Now compare Campbell's operation to Consumer Reports. Campbell
makes
grand claims of integrity similar to theirs. He literally purports to
be the oversight and conscience, the judge and jury of sport and
experimental aviation morality. HE claims the honor of telling you,
the
aviation consumer, what to buy and what NOT to buy; to whom to send
your
money and even whom to believe and NOT believe. Read his own Web page
and other descriptions of what he does! "No Bravo Sierra" (i.e. no
B.S.) he proclaims. But he sells advertising, and sells it
aggressively, from the stories former advertisers tell. In fact, so
aggressively, some have said, that they found his repeated calls and
pressure, ominous in itself. In fact, he has a tiny publication (as
aviation magazines go) that is desperately dependent on the trickle of
money from advertising to get from issue to issue. [Compare the
hundreds of thousands of subscribers of Kitplanes, Flying, Private
Pilot, AOPA Flyer, EAA Sport Aviation to the 10 or 11,000 subscribers
of
U.S. Aviator at its peak -- of which MANY were free, not paid for.]

In short, Campbell tells you to listen to him in order to learn
what to
buy and not buy, as a consumer advocate. Then you open the cover of
his
magazine and he tells you what to buy and NOT buy based on the money
sent to him in order to put that picture of an aircraft on the inside
cover. AND HIS ONLY EXPLANATION OF HOW HE ALONE CAN DO THIS IMPOSSIBLE
THING IS THAT HE IS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL. HE, THE "ZOOMER" HAS SO MUCH
POWER OR CREDIBILITY OR AUTHORITY THAT HE CAN UNIQUELY "GET AWAY" WITH
CRITICIZING HIS OWN ADVERTISERS. (Hey, I'm not making this up --
that's
what articles have said -- things like "only Zoomer can get away with"
etc. -- though I haven't read where he actually did so). In short, it
all depends on his OWN personal power, influence, integrity and
credibility. On HIS PERSONALITY. Not his employees, not his company's,
or his consultants' and certainly not MINE -- just HIS.

Consider this. A small publishing company's success or failure
may
depend on an extra couple of thousand dollars a month, or per issue.
>From tax returns and bankruptcy filings, it seems clear that Campbell's
company lost money from its inception (returns all show no income
despite supposedly paying him nothing and leaving perhaps $500K in
debts). Now a single ad monthly can add $1000 or more to revenues.
Similarly, an unpaid bill can deprive the company of that $1000 each
month. Campbell had serious collection problems with a large number of
advertisers (several hundred thousand dollars in uncollectible, mostly
old, receivables, mostly companies out of business). Demonstrating the
frailty of the sport aviation business, many of his advertisers simply
went under. Lots of staff time, including Campbell's time, went into
chasing those ad revenues.

Now, how much pressure does this put on a company to treat
loyal
and
PAYING advertisers well? Especially a company that clearly has had cash
flow problems almost throughout its existence? And against this
background, when a publication obsessively and redundantly attacks the
same small group of companies OVER and OVER and OVER, patting itself on
the back about its crusade and rewriting the same stories repeatedly,
what can you deduce? Maybe that it's trying to get the maximum mileage
out of safely flogging a few companies that will never advertise anyway
-- because they detest him and he them? That it's trying to sell
ITSELF
as the protector of aviation consumers, even though it has only a
single
high-school-educated editor/publisher/primary writer/"test
pilot"/reviewer who won't let others really edit his work at all (read
it and ask yourself if anyone else checked the grammar, spelling and
style). And even though it has never created the organization,
facilities, funds, expertise, programs or ethics oversight policies to
actually fulfill that role?

Just how much consumer testing is getting done by a company
operated
out of the principal's rented house, with no budget for testing, no
engineers or aeronautical design experts on staff? Just what kind of
analysis of the financial solvency, stability and prospects of these
hundreds of companies is getting done, without an economist,
accountant,
financial or legal expert or similar on staff, and without even a
financial investigation of the companies for them to review? Just how
much monitoring of customer satisfaction and service is getting done,
without a staff of investigators, survey people, statisticians and
evaluators? Without access to the information on these hundreds of
companies regarding their treatment of customers, how can ANY
publication claim to judge their merit -- or to compare that of the few
upon which it focuses while ignoring the rest?

Consistent with that, just how much consumer advocacy IS there
in a
magazine that's published for 8 or 9 years (well, we lost a year of
issues in the middle there but still --) and repeatedly just flogs 8 or
9 companies?? Is there only one company a year taking money from unwary
customers? Surely our aggregate experience tells us that dozens of
companies annually take the money and run, through dishonesty or just
bad business judgment, stiffing the customers with no warning from
anybody. (Forget for a moment that the company publishing U.S. Aviator
itself did exactly that -- took the subscription money and folded
without prior warning to those who were sending their money for
subscriptions.)

Then we find that a couple of those companies attacked have
absolutely
stellar ratings by customers? And excellent aircraft? And despite
great customer loyalty and products, are constantly flogged anyway ---
one over a customer who lost $2700 in 1984 on a deposit be paid to a
DEALER of a predecessor company??? Do you know HOW MANY customers lost
money to kit manufacturers, how many companies sold nonexistent kits
and
then went under, how many customers were left with half-kits or
unflyable aircraft by dozens of companies in that time? (I hardly need
to mention Bede,Bede,Bede -- I personally was amazed at the Wheeler
yoyo, Prescott Pusher dilemma, the mini-Skymaster and a half-dozen
others -- and by numerous companies purportedly manufacturing auto
conversion engines with impossible power ratings, most of which have
long since failed). And do you know how many current companies are
owned by people who have failed in this business in the past leaving
customers and creditors in the lurch? (I won't mention names here
because many are good people, except to say that some of Campbell's
best
advertisers and, from his writing, closest friends are among them?)

Yet Campbell flogs the same few companies, over and over and
over,
angrily attacking their principals and supporters in print, on the
Internet and verbally, engaging in endless intemperate rants?

Then you find that company after company rates as good or
excellent or
worthwhile have numerous vocal, disgruntled customers. Many have
lawsuits and controversies over their designs, their advertising
claims. Many have repeatedly delivered partial kits after payment in
full. Heck, one had stiffed a bunch of consumers and failed due to
court judgments against the principal even before his 1985 edition, yet
still appears without a warning. Many are out of business. And you
find that the few companies he attacks range from excellent, good,
average to bad, but almost all seem to have one thing in common --
disputes with him that he didn't mention, from an ex-fiance who left
him
to advertising disputes, to lawsuits against him that never appeared in
print, to disputes over circulation that seems exaggerated. And that
several seem to have bounced from the highly-praised column to the bad
guys instantly after the disputes? But all seem TO HAVE BEEN
ADVERTISERS AND NOT A NEGATIVE WORD WAS SPOKEN UNTIL THEY NO LONGER
WERE??

No, none of this is about whether you or I LIKE James Richard
("Zoom")
Campbell. If ability to make a good impression on the telephone were
all that was important, Campbell would be a multimillionaire. Instead,
it's all about credibility. And plead as he may that all this
inconvenient personal stuff is irrelevant and vicious, the fact IS that
it's relevant PRECISELY because HE HAS MADE HIS OWN HONESTY ABSOLUTELY
CENTRAL TO THE WORTH OF HIS PRODUCT, AND TO THE WORTH OF HIS WORDS. HE
has put his integrity in issue. HE has put his judgment in issue. HE
has asked all of us to suspend our judgment and research and to trust
his honesty and decency and integrity, and to risk tens of thousands of
dollars on the companies he chooses in doing so.
Then he complains when the fact that he has consistently
FABRICATED
credentials and history and experience is brought up. And he complains
when it's mentioned that he was diagnosed as having a mental illness --
lifelong in its nature and prognosis as described by the psychiatrists
-- that compels its victims to chronically and continuously lie about
themselves and their behavior and history. And he complains when it's
mentioned that his ex-employees, ex-partners, ex-fiance, ex-wife and
others repeatedly attest that the dishonest, unbalanced personality
depicted in that mental illness hearing -- an illness which was serious
enough for his pilot privileges to be revoked, and serious enough to
compel him to impersonate a physician -- STILL EXISTS AND IS A PART OF
THE DAILY EXISTENCE OF THIS SELF-DECLARED PARAGON OF AVIATION
INTEGRITY.

IS IT irrelevant that people close to him attest that he still
constantly lies about his history and experience, claiming for example
that he was a Boeing 747 pilot at 21 for Japan Airlines (read the NTSB
transcript, for heaven's sake -- he was just in training as an
instructor for 6 or 7 weeks and never returned the blazer). Or that
his
assertions of 13000-plus PIC hours, flying in Ethiopia and 1000+
different aircraft flown are utter nonsense? Or that they claim he is
still vindictive, vengeful and retaliatory and tries to injure or
destroy those who've angered him? Or that his repeated flying into
rages
and loss of control, as when he was AGAIN ejected from Sun&Fun, is
consistent with this personality disorder? Is the fact that the
personality and behavior described by these people is PERFECTLY
consistent with one who would intentionally attack a person or business
out of a spirit of vengeance and retaliation, IRRELEVANT -- when
victims
repeatedly present evidence that this is EXACTLY what he has done?

Each person must judge for him- or herself. Judge carelessly if
you
don't have anything at stake -- who cares? Judge CAREFULLY if you
intend to put tens of thousands of dollars on the line -- OR if you're
a
kit manufacturer and intend to stay in business. But this is NOT about
whether you "like" Jim Campbell, or whether he sounds like a "nice guy"
on the phone to a 15-year-old -- no matter how bright or well-meaning
that 15-year-old may be. It's about "who will judge the judge" and
Campbell's answer seems to be "nobody" while mine, and that of others
is
"we all must, and we must have the truth in order to do so."

Tony Pucillo

Steve Foley
January 24th 06, 07:24 PM
Anyone have a working link fore this?

"Mick" > wrote in message
> Take a look at my summary on consumer advocacy and commecial conflicts of
> interest at <http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=384796352&fmt=raw>

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 24th 06, 11:58 PM
In article . com>, Mick says...
>
>
>Folks,
>
>Thought this was too important to get lost in the past. And I conclude
>more than ever that Jim Campbell does bad things, is bad for aviation,
>and has no business in the aviation community. The most salient points
>are, in my opinion, the references to glowing reviews of unsafe
>aircraft by Jim Campbell, who has repeatedly shown that his reviews are
>not to be trusted.
>
>Best to all,
>Mick

Boy reading that was like having Tony back again. Change the names from Wingy to
jaun and all the info is still relevent. Thanks for the blast from the past.

Chuck ( damn I still miss Tony) S RAH-14/1 ret

Mick
January 25th 06, 12:41 AM
Steve Foley opined:
>Anyone have a working link fore this?

http://kudos.goldenware.com/s/Japan_Airlines/8.html

Steve Foley
January 25th 06, 03:23 AM
Mick,

I was looking for a link to Tony's "summary on consumer advocacy and
commecial conflicts of interest".

The dejanews link in your post is broken.

"Mick" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Steve Foley opined:
> >Anyone have a working link fore this?
>
> http://kudos.goldenware.com/s/Japan_Airlines/8.html
>

D.Reid
January 25th 06, 04:20 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...Tony LIVES !!!! HAAAAAhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
"Mick" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Folks,
>
> Thought this was too important to get lost in the past. And I conclude
> more than ever that Jim Campbell does bad things, is bad for aviation,
> and has no business in the aviation community. The most salient points
> are, in my opinion, the references to glowing reviews of unsafe
> aircraft by Jim Campbell, who has repeatedly shown that his reviews are
> not to be trusted.
>
> Best to all,
> Mick
>
>
>
> __________________________________________
>>From Tony P >
> Organization Vincit omnia veritas, vincit qui patitur.
> Date Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:54:43 -0500
> Newsgroups rec.aviation.homebuilt
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Milt:
>
> I assume from your tone that you are sincere, and are simply unaware
> of
> some of the issues. I hardly intend to educate you in a single
> message,
> but would refer you to sources like Dejanews and John Ousterhout's page
> at http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster for a bit of information. Take a
> look at my summary on consumer advocacy and commecial conflicts of
> interest at <http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=384796352&fmt=raw>
> (There have been a LOT of decent summaries of his history of mental
> illness and lying, if you care to look for them. Hell, the transcripts
> of the court hearing are available online, along with the judge's
> findings of his mental illness.)
>
> If you are saying that Campbell isn't always wrong, of course that's
> true. If you're saying that sometimes he espouses views you and I and
> others share, that's pretty obvious. Remember his crocodile tears
> about
> John Denver? Gosh, he was almost as broken up as the family.
>
> I once took the position that if Campbell was good for aviation, I
> didn't care whether he beat his wife, was an asshole or had warts. I
> figured nobody else was standing up to the crooks in aviation and
> somebody had to. (Don't believe me? Go back and look at my late '96
> posts around here.) I changed my mind when I concluded that most of
> his
> attacks on companies seemed utterly untrustworthy and probably
> motivated
> by personal feuds, and when I observed that the personality he exhibits
> now is just as obnoxious, self-centered, dishonest, pusillanimous and
> bullying as the one depicted in his mental illness hearing in 1980.
> It
> wasn't until I saw him in action - saw the way he intimidates and
> threatens and manipulates and attempts to silence people, saw the
> magnitude of his lies and the untrustworthiness of ANYTHING written in
> his magazine - most of which I had assumed true in making my assessment
> of his value, that I realized: Jim Campbell's only value in aviation is
> TO HIMSELF. Aviation does not benefit from the occasional belated
> accuracy of a man who is just as likely to attack a company because of
> a
> personal dispute as he is for a legitimate reason. Nor does it benefit
> from a man who is just as likely to rave about a machine that could be
> a
> "death trap" as to accurately criticize one (read his rave review of
> the
> Mini 500 in the magazine - do you see any reference to bad design,
> cheap
> hardware, etc. ?). And that is EXACTLY what I concluded was the case
> with him.
>
> There was once a Frenchman named Chauvin - the man from whom the word
> "Chauvinism" comes. This old codger would rise up and shout "Vive La
> France" or the equivalent every time it was remotely possible to make
> an
> expression of patriotism. Hell, it's a common ploy by politicians.
> Why
> do they do it? Well, WHO IS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THEM?? And if they
> can raise a cheer that everybody else joins in, they can look like a
> leader when they haven't generated a single new thought nor made a
> contribution of any kind. (Incidentally "male chauvinism" - the
> expression inappropriately shortened to "chauvinism" in recent years -
> never WAS simply a criticism of sexism. It implied that every time a
> sexist male uttered his ignorant opinion, you and I and the rest of the
> males cheered him on. It was, in short, anti-male propaganda.)
>
> Campbell has mastered the art of seeing which way the crowd is
> running,
> pretending to be out front of it and shouting louder than anyone else
> "Go that way! Go that way!" in order to seek attention. It was true in
> the Bob Hoover case - in which he would have you believe it was HIS
> efforts that accomplished a reprieve - and in every other case I see
> where he's taken a supportable position. Do you doubt this? Go back
> and read the AVWeb piece on the Mini 500, weeks before Campbell posted
> his first "notice." And compare the well-researched excellence of that
> page with the technical ambiguity and "me-tooism" of Campbell's piece.
> THEN go back and read his piece on the Mini 500 in the magazine - in
> which he gave it such a ringing endorsement that everybody wanted to go
> out and buy one. How many of those now in danger or even killed by
> that
> aircraft DID SO AFTER READING CAMPBELL'S ENTHUSIASTIC PRAISE? How can
> you praise his attacks today and ignore his contribution to the
> problem? And how many advertising dollars did he earn as a result of
> that glowing report (companies do NOT advertise where they are
> criticized).
>
> Campbell is not an engineer, not a scientist nor even a technician.
> He
> isn't an A&P or an IA. He hasn't even attended a trade school for
> airplane mechanics. Ex-associates and significant others claim he
> can't
> turn a wrench competently. He doesn't write technical articles and I
> doubt he reads them either. He has a high-school diploma, and zero
> credentials regarding aircraft design of ANY kind, much less
> rotorcraft. (And yes, education IS important - CRITICALLY important -
> in any technical endeavor. Flying ultralights makes one not at all
> qualified to design aircraft or credibly comment on their design. But
> Mr. Campbell seems to like the "direct" route to expertise - simply
> CLAIM it and most people won't argue; hell if it appears in print, it
> must be true, right? And he is the most qualified "aero-journalist" in
> the world, because he says it.)
>
> Perhaps none of this matters. Perhaps you don't care that Campbell
> failed to deliver an issue of the magazine for ten months, and never
> even bothered to send a postcard to us subscribers explaining why.
> Perhaps you don't care about the tens of thousands of dollars in new
> subscription renewal moneys he solicited and accepted RIGHT BEFORE HE
> STOPPED PUBLISHING, when he must have known there would never be a
> November, '96 issue. Or the fact that that money -- $30,000 in just
> two
> checks within a few weeks --- was promptly moved out of the magazine
> publishing company and into his book-publishing corporation venture
> instead (this stuff is public record - read the Trustee's suit).
> Perhaps you don't care about his having accepted tens of thousands of
> dollars in advertising money and even book orders for the Sportplane
> Resource Guide - due out in '96 and not delivered until '98 -- and
> then
> a rehash of the original '94-'95 obsolete information.
>
> Hell, maybe you don't care about Mr. Campbell's business ethics at all.
>
> Perhaps you don't care about the string of printers used and then
> stiffed and left unpaid for months of magazines printed, or the number
> who have had to sue him to get paid even partly, or had to accept
> payments over many months and finally got stiffed altogether in the
> bankruptcy. Look at the Bankruptcy Court claims, where the last two
> who
> are out close to $100,000 and nearly $40,000 according to the records
> ended up with nothing. Heck, even the guy who printed those little
> subscription cards in the magazine didn't get paid. I suggest you take
> your stack of U.S. Aviator magazines and separate them into two piles:
> (1) Those that were PAID for and (2) Those that WERE SOLD TO YOU and
> Campbell's company took the money from you and advertisers, but where
> the writers, printers and others got stiffed. #2 would be quite a
> stack.
>
> Do you care about his failure to pay everyone from the nonprofit Boys &
> Girls Clubs of Lakeland (for BRATWURSTS, for God's sake) - who had to
> sue him and threaten his ability to ever have a Sun & Fun party again
> --
> to the florist who delivered his wife's anniversary and Valentine's Day
> flowers, to electricians, personnel agencies, suppliers, and
> consultants? Do you want the list of writers he stiffed (and in some
> cases never even told them their stories had been run?) and the list of
> those who will NEVER write for him again? Worse, how about not paying
> even the withholding taxes taken from his employees' paychecks??
> Perhaps
> you don't care about his treatment of the woman, well actually woMEN he
> claimed to care about. Perhaps you don't care about his treatment of
> employees and former employees (did you know that THREE of them had
> "anonymous" calls made to state children's welfare agencies claiming
> they were guilty of child abuse right after leaving his employment on
> bad terms?). Perhaps you don't care about the $400,000 in creditors he
> left stiffed when dumped Airedale Press, Inc. in bankruptcy and took
> all
> the assets of the magazine it had published since its inception, the
> airplane it had paid for and renovated, the cash from its accounts,
> computers, printers and even its chairs and tables and started spitting
> out a magazine in the name of a new, nonexistent company. Or his
> having
> promoted subscription renewals in 1996 when there WAS no November '96
> issue in existence and he had to know the magazine wouldn't print an
> issue for months, if ever again.
>
> Perhaps you don't care about misrepresentations to advertisers ad
> others, about the magazine's circulation and how long it's been
> published, even the number of annual parties he's held. Or his use of
> the magazine to attack companies owned by those who criticized Mr.
> Campbell or argued with him, or his failure to disclose that a company
> he scathingly attacked (referring to its principal as a "drug runner"
> among other things) was actually owned by his own ex-partner with whom
> he had had a vicious dispute? Or that he was in fact involved in a
> personal dispute with his own EX-FIANCE when he attacked her employer
> for HER actions, describing her only as the company's "employee"?
> Perhaps you don't care about his being ejected repeatedly from Sun &
> Fun, most recently while screaming obscenities and calling the Lakeland
> Police officers "F**king Neo-Nazis." Perhaps you don't care about Mr.
> CAmpbell's penchant for calling the homes of his critics or adversaries
> and ranting at their children, or calling the wives of their EAA
> chapter
> officers and threatening to sue them into the ground. Or his endless
> threats to sue when criticized. [Or, given your concerns about stupid
> litigation, the fact that he's sued fourteen people for nothing more
> than doing precisely that - one for nothing more than posting public
> COURT proceedings?]
>
> Perhaps you don't care about Campbell claiming to have flown relief
> missions in Africa, having thousands of PIC flight hours overseas,
> about
> testimony and repeated reports of his having falsely claimed to have
> been a Japan Airlines Captain, to have flown 747's, to have been a
> Hollywood stunt man, a CIA operative, a Vietnam veteran, to have had a
> wife die tragically of illness, no, er uh an accident. Or having
> harassed poor Laurel Ramey all over the country after she merely tried
> to get away from him. I can't even begin to catalog here the list of
> former employees, friends, partners and business associates, writers
> and
> others who describe this man's personality and credibility in emphatic
> and negative terms. You have to do the research, wait for court
> testimony or read the book.
>
> Here's the stuff on conflicts of interest. I hope the foregoing has
> been educational.
>
> From:
> "Tony P." >
> Subject:
> Re: Wingman150
> Date:
> 25 Aug 1998 00:00:00 GMT
> To:
> Wingman150 >
> Organization:
> Vincit omnia veritas, vincit qui patutur.
> Reply-To:
>
> Newsgroups:
> rec.aviation.rotorcraft,
> rec.aviation.homebuilt
>
> Okay, Wingperson, you're not convinced Campbell is a bad man. And as
> long as you want videotapes of Campbell robbing a bank, you won't be.
> Just hang around and keep paying attention. Time is what's convinced
> others. Don't take offense, but I don't think ANYONE at 15 is much of
> a
> judge of credibility even if it's worthwhile to try. It's hard to let
> go of heroes -- even some of us old geezers have trouble with it. I
> defended him for many months myself before I saw him in action.
>
> I frankly don't believe that whether or not one person thinks
> Jim
> Campbell is a "nice guy" merits much comment. It certainly isn't what
> I
> am interested in. Like whom you want, but that's not the issue.
> And I also agree that the rancor needs a rest.
>
> Angry emotions are unnecessary to a debate of fact and issue.
> I
> am
> always appalled when some new, previously-unheard-of Campbell advocate
> begins hurling insults in response to factual debate, then others decry
> the nastiness. That scenario has repeated itself again here.
> This isn't a matter of emotions, and the fact that you LIKE
> Campbell
> and find him charming is nice, but meaningless. Hell, the shrinks in
> the mental illness hearing found him likeable and charming too. But
> whether we LIKE him isn't important.
>
> I suspect you've (and many others have) misperceived the entire
> issue.
> Certainly you misperceive my point. The question isn't whether you or I
> believe Campbell is a good person, a bad person or a nut. That's why I
> continued to defend him even after learning he had a mental illness
> history and a lousy personality (as reported by those close to him).
> THE
> QUESTION IS SOLELY WHETHER HE HAS THE CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY AND
> OBJECTIVITY TO PASS JUDGMENT ON OTHERS -- ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE
> AVIATION
> BUSINESSES TO WHOM HE LOOKS FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT HIS MAGAZINE. When a
> magazine purports to pass judgment on products and companies, it has a
> fundamental dilemma -- magazines make their money on advertisers
> (subscriptions cover only a minor part of the costs). Advertisers who
> get bad press don't buy ads. Advertisers who get good press, do.
>
> Let's put aside the obvious offputting stuff -- like the fact
> that
> Campbell's company didn't send out a magazine to its subscribers from
> October, 1996 to July, 1997, and that it never so much as mailed its
> subscribers (including myself) a postcard explaining why, or the
> conflicting stories it told during that time (including concealing the
> fact that his wife had simply left him back in July, 1996, for good).
> Ignore the fact that Campbell continued to sell subscriptions the whole
> time, or that an affiliate meanwhile sold not-yet-existing books for
> perhaps 1 1/2 years without delivering them or returning the money. Or
> that when a mag finally was sent out, it had the name of a new,
> nonexistent company on it. Let's ignore that obvious, curious stuff
> and
> focus on the big picture.
>
> There's an important ethical principle involved here. We don't
> allow
> sexual harrassment at work, and officers can't "fraternize" with
> subordinates in the military. Priests and psychiatrists aren't allowed
> to have personal relationships with those they counsel. We don't
> subject our children to exploitation by adults or authority figures.
> Government regulators can't have financial relationships with the
> companies they inspect or regulate. Judges can't have financial
> relationships with law firms. Why? because persons in power ought not
> to be able to take advantage of those over whom they HAVE power. Power
> makes the dominated person treat the empowered person with favor and
> advantage, and that treatment -- be it money, advantage, sexual favor,
> whatever -- influences the person in power. Ever hear the saying
> "POWER
> CORRUPTS"? Or heard that some people seek power like others seek air
> and food?
>
> This is why ANY legal or social institution HAS A RIGID CODE OF
> ETHICS
> FOR THOSE WHO ARE PLACED IN POSITIONS OF POWER. And rigid scrutiny by
> others of any person in such a position. Public servants regularly go
> to
> jail for conflicts of interest. Even respected journalists have a
> thoroughly-documented set of standards that are accepted in the
> industry. Respected newspapers place rigid policies in place to
> oversee
> the judgments of any individual, with publishers and editors with
> authority to overrule writers, with committees overseeing the ethics of
> editors and with peer-oversight mechanisms when something goes wrong
> anyway. (Forget for now that NONE of that ever existed in Campbell's
> one-man-in control operations.)
>
> Note that Consumer Reports, the ONLY truly respected
> publication
> in
> general product evaluation and consumer protection, takes NO
> advertising. Similarly, Aviation Consumer takes none, just like Light
> Plane Maintenance (which is why the latter are so damned expensive --
> $70 or $80 a year if I recall my last renewal).
>
> Consumer Reports has a large nonprofit foundation behind it.
> It
> spends
> millions of dollars on testing, engineering review and
> information-gathering. It has numerous experts, with numerous degrees,
> on its staff. Its reputation is based on total objectivity and
> integrity.
>
> Note that in experimental aviation, we have a "small pond."
> One
> suggestion of insolvency, bad design or dishonesty is enough to kill
> almost any company. Heck, almost all kit companies are marginal --
> even
> some big ones. Any publisher holds life or death power, if he's
> unprincipled enough to wield it selfishly. The cancellation of a few
> contracts based on an inflammatory article can -- and in one case
> clearly DID kill a company and leave its builders unsupported.
>
> Now compare Campbell's operation to Consumer Reports. Campbell
> makes
> grand claims of integrity similar to theirs. He literally purports to
> be the oversight and conscience, the judge and jury of sport and
> experimental aviation morality. HE claims the honor of telling you,
> the
> aviation consumer, what to buy and what NOT to buy; to whom to send
> your
> money and even whom to believe and NOT believe. Read his own Web page
> and other descriptions of what he does! "No Bravo Sierra" (i.e. no
> B.S.) he proclaims. But he sells advertising, and sells it
> aggressively, from the stories former advertisers tell. In fact, so
> aggressively, some have said, that they found his repeated calls and
> pressure, ominous in itself. In fact, he has a tiny publication (as
> aviation magazines go) that is desperately dependent on the trickle of
> money from advertising to get from issue to issue. [Compare the
> hundreds of thousands of subscribers of Kitplanes, Flying, Private
> Pilot, AOPA Flyer, EAA Sport Aviation to the 10 or 11,000 subscribers
> of
> U.S. Aviator at its peak -- of which MANY were free, not paid for.]
>
> In short, Campbell tells you to listen to him in order to learn
> what to
> buy and not buy, as a consumer advocate. Then you open the cover of
> his
> magazine and he tells you what to buy and NOT buy based on the money
> sent to him in order to put that picture of an aircraft on the inside
> cover. AND HIS ONLY EXPLANATION OF HOW HE ALONE CAN DO THIS IMPOSSIBLE
> THING IS THAT HE IS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL. HE, THE "ZOOMER" HAS SO MUCH
> POWER OR CREDIBILITY OR AUTHORITY THAT HE CAN UNIQUELY "GET AWAY" WITH
> CRITICIZING HIS OWN ADVERTISERS. (Hey, I'm not making this up --
> that's
> what articles have said -- things like "only Zoomer can get away with"
> etc. -- though I haven't read where he actually did so). In short, it
> all depends on his OWN personal power, influence, integrity and
> credibility. On HIS PERSONALITY. Not his employees, not his company's,
> or his consultants' and certainly not MINE -- just HIS.
>
> Consider this. A small publishing company's success or failure
> may
> depend on an extra couple of thousand dollars a month, or per issue.
>>From tax returns and bankruptcy filings, it seems clear that Campbell's
> company lost money from its inception (returns all show no income
> despite supposedly paying him nothing and leaving perhaps $500K in
> debts). Now a single ad monthly can add $1000 or more to revenues.
> Similarly, an unpaid bill can deprive the company of that $1000 each
> month. Campbell had serious collection problems with a large number of
> advertisers (several hundred thousand dollars in uncollectible, mostly
> old, receivables, mostly companies out of business). Demonstrating the
> frailty of the sport aviation business, many of his advertisers simply
> went under. Lots of staff time, including Campbell's time, went into
> chasing those ad revenues.
>
> Now, how much pressure does this put on a company to treat
> loyal
> and
> PAYING advertisers well? Especially a company that clearly has had cash
> flow problems almost throughout its existence? And against this
> background, when a publication obsessively and redundantly attacks the
> same small group of companies OVER and OVER and OVER, patting itself on
> the back about its crusade and rewriting the same stories repeatedly,
> what can you deduce? Maybe that it's trying to get the maximum mileage
> out of safely flogging a few companies that will never advertise anyway
> -- because they detest him and he them? That it's trying to sell
> ITSELF
> as the protector of aviation consumers, even though it has only a
> single
> high-school-educated editor/publisher/primary writer/"test
> pilot"/reviewer who won't let others really edit his work at all (read
> it and ask yourself if anyone else checked the grammar, spelling and
> style). And even though it has never created the organization,
> facilities, funds, expertise, programs or ethics oversight policies to
> actually fulfill that role?
>
> Just how much consumer testing is getting done by a company
> operated
> out of the principal's rented house, with no budget for testing, no
> engineers or aeronautical design experts on staff? Just what kind of
> analysis of the financial solvency, stability and prospects of these
> hundreds of companies is getting done, without an economist,
> accountant,
> financial or legal expert or similar on staff, and without even a
> financial investigation of the companies for them to review? Just how
> much monitoring of customer satisfaction and service is getting done,
> without a staff of investigators, survey people, statisticians and
> evaluators? Without access to the information on these hundreds of
> companies regarding their treatment of customers, how can ANY
> publication claim to judge their merit -- or to compare that of the few
> upon which it focuses while ignoring the rest?
>
> Consistent with that, just how much consumer advocacy IS there
> in a
> magazine that's published for 8 or 9 years (well, we lost a year of
> issues in the middle there but still --) and repeatedly just flogs 8 or
> 9 companies?? Is there only one company a year taking money from unwary
> customers? Surely our aggregate experience tells us that dozens of
> companies annually take the money and run, through dishonesty or just
> bad business judgment, stiffing the customers with no warning from
> anybody. (Forget for a moment that the company publishing U.S. Aviator
> itself did exactly that -- took the subscription money and folded
> without prior warning to those who were sending their money for
> subscriptions.)
>
> Then we find that a couple of those companies attacked have
> absolutely
> stellar ratings by customers? And excellent aircraft? And despite
> great customer loyalty and products, are constantly flogged anyway ---
> one over a customer who lost $2700 in 1984 on a deposit be paid to a
> DEALER of a predecessor company??? Do you know HOW MANY customers lost
> money to kit manufacturers, how many companies sold nonexistent kits
> and
> then went under, how many customers were left with half-kits or
> unflyable aircraft by dozens of companies in that time? (I hardly need
> to mention Bede,Bede,Bede -- I personally was amazed at the Wheeler
> yoyo, Prescott Pusher dilemma, the mini-Skymaster and a half-dozen
> others -- and by numerous companies purportedly manufacturing auto
> conversion engines with impossible power ratings, most of which have
> long since failed). And do you know how many current companies are
> owned by people who have failed in this business in the past leaving
> customers and creditors in the lurch? (I won't mention names here
> because many are good people, except to say that some of Campbell's
> best
> advertisers and, from his writing, closest friends are among them?)
>
> Yet Campbell flogs the same few companies, over and over and
> over,
> angrily attacking their principals and supporters in print, on the
> Internet and verbally, engaging in endless intemperate rants?
>
> Then you find that company after company rates as good or
> excellent or
> worthwhile have numerous vocal, disgruntled customers. Many have
> lawsuits and controversies over their designs, their advertising
> claims. Many have repeatedly delivered partial kits after payment in
> full. Heck, one had stiffed a bunch of consumers and failed due to
> court judgments against the principal even before his 1985 edition, yet
> still appears without a warning. Many are out of business. And you
> find that the few companies he attacks range from excellent, good,
> average to bad, but almost all seem to have one thing in common --
> disputes with him that he didn't mention, from an ex-fiance who left
> him
> to advertising disputes, to lawsuits against him that never appeared in
> print, to disputes over circulation that seems exaggerated. And that
> several seem to have bounced from the highly-praised column to the bad
> guys instantly after the disputes? But all seem TO HAVE BEEN
> ADVERTISERS AND NOT A NEGATIVE WORD WAS SPOKEN UNTIL THEY NO LONGER
> WERE??
>
> No, none of this is about whether you or I LIKE James Richard
> ("Zoom")
> Campbell. If ability to make a good impression on the telephone were
> all that was important, Campbell would be a multimillionaire. Instead,
> it's all about credibility. And plead as he may that all this
> inconvenient personal stuff is irrelevant and vicious, the fact IS that
> it's relevant PRECISELY because HE HAS MADE HIS OWN HONESTY ABSOLUTELY
> CENTRAL TO THE WORTH OF HIS PRODUCT, AND TO THE WORTH OF HIS WORDS. HE
> has put his integrity in issue. HE has put his judgment in issue. HE
> has asked all of us to suspend our judgment and research and to trust
> his honesty and decency and integrity, and to risk tens of thousands of
> dollars on the companies he chooses in doing so.
> Then he complains when the fact that he has consistently
> FABRICATED
> credentials and history and experience is brought up. And he complains
> when it's mentioned that he was diagnosed as having a mental illness --
> lifelong in its nature and prognosis as described by the psychiatrists
> -- that compels its victims to chronically and continuously lie about
> themselves and their behavior and history. And he complains when it's
> mentioned that his ex-employees, ex-partners, ex-fiance, ex-wife and
> others repeatedly attest that the dishonest, unbalanced personality
> depicted in that mental illness hearing -- an illness which was serious
> enough for his pilot privileges to be revoked, and serious enough to
> compel him to impersonate a physician -- STILL EXISTS AND IS A PART OF
> THE DAILY EXISTENCE OF THIS SELF-DECLARED PARAGON OF AVIATION
> INTEGRITY.
>
> IS IT irrelevant that people close to him attest that he still
> constantly lies about his history and experience, claiming for example
> that he was a Boeing 747 pilot at 21 for Japan Airlines (read the NTSB
> transcript, for heaven's sake -- he was just in training as an
> instructor for 6 or 7 weeks and never returned the blazer). Or that
> his
> assertions of 13000-plus PIC hours, flying in Ethiopia and 1000+
> different aircraft flown are utter nonsense? Or that they claim he is
> still vindictive, vengeful and retaliatory and tries to injure or
> destroy those who've angered him? Or that his repeated flying into
> rages
> and loss of control, as when he was AGAIN ejected from Sun&Fun, is
> consistent with this personality disorder? Is the fact that the
> personality and behavior described by these people is PERFECTLY
> consistent with one who would intentionally attack a person or business
> out of a spirit of vengeance and retaliation, IRRELEVANT -- when
> victims
> repeatedly present evidence that this is EXACTLY what he has done?
>
> Each person must judge for him- or herself. Judge carelessly if
> you
> don't have anything at stake -- who cares? Judge CAREFULLY if you
> intend to put tens of thousands of dollars on the line -- OR if you're
> a
> kit manufacturer and intend to stay in business. But this is NOT about
> whether you "like" Jim Campbell, or whether he sounds like a "nice guy"
> on the phone to a 15-year-old -- no matter how bright or well-meaning
> that 15-year-old may be. It's about "who will judge the judge" and
> Campbell's answer seems to be "nobody" while mine, and that of others
> is
> "we all must, and we must have the truth in order to do so."
>
> Tony Pucillo
>

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 25th 06, 09:03 AM
In article >, D.Reid says...
>
>Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...Tony LIVES !!!! HAAAAAhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

My feelings exactly. It was interesting to read a post concerning zoom from BWB
before he went over to the Dark Side:-)
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>Quoting a known psycho who lost his medical due to mental problems is
>not getting the word out. Zoom would lie to his mother if he thought
>he could get ahead by it.


>Badwater Bill
>__________________________________________________ ___________________________

Ahhh a man may change but the truth is still the truth :-)

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

Juan Jimenez
January 25th 06, 02:06 PM
Looks like you found your way to Chucks files. LOL! I wonder how that
happened. At any rate, Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
shocked when I told him he had passed away. (No, I don't care who believes
me or not, you should know that by now.) Like I said, I believe you should
have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side of the story. Until you do
that, all you're doing is blowing more hot air of the RAH gaggle type. :)


"Mick" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Folks,
>
> Thought this was too important to get lost in the past.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
January 25th 06, 02:38 PM
Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Looks like you found your way to Chucks files. LOL! I wonder how that
> happened. At any rate, Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
> shocked when I told him he had passed away. (No, I don't care who believes
> me or not, you should know that by now.) Like I said, I believe you should
> have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side of the story. Until you do
> that, all you're doing is blowing more hot air of the RAH gaggle type. :)
>
I would be happy to hear campbell's side. He hasn't responded to my
e-mails.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Mick
January 25th 06, 03:04 PM
Juan said:
"I believe you should have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side
of the story. Until you do that, all you're doing is blowing more hot
air of the RAH gaggle type. :)"

Mick replied:

Juan,

I think I'll take the opposite approach that you have. You have met the
man and ignore his works. I'll judge this journalist and businessman by
his work, not by the man.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Again, I ask anyone reading this thread to identify, suggest, intimate,
reveal, denote, or show us ANY OTHER PERSON who has done more harm to
more people and businesses in aviation than Mr. Jim Campbell. Find me
one person who has alienated more people, told more lies, or disrupted
more events. Just one. Find me a single, solitary soul who has sued
more people, taken more people's money, or flip-flopped on more
reviews.

TO MAKE IT FAIR: I welcome suggestions of people who have done more
good in aviation. I'll start the list with PAUL H. POBEREZNY (homebuilt
aviation) and PHIL BOYER (general aviation).

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mick

p.s. Not to say I won't be happy to meet and talk about these things
with Jim. ONCE AGAIN, I don't care what kind of person Jim is. And I
have nothing personal against Jim. I have judged his work, and it has
come up short on every side. Jim is free to chime in at any time. He is
welcome to express himself and explain any discrepancies in what has
been written.

Steve Foley
January 25th 06, 07:28 PM
Well, don't I feel stoopid :(

Thanks for pointing that out.


"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...

> Do'h! Ok, all the conflict of interest stuff is in the original post
> itself.

Steve Foley
January 25th 06, 07:30 PM
Osama comes to mind.

"Mick" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Again, I ask anyone reading this thread to identify, suggest, intimate,
> reveal, denote, or show us ANY OTHER PERSON who has done more harm to
> more people and businesses in aviation than Mr. Jim Campbell. Find me
> one person who has alienated more people, told more lies, or disrupted
> more events. Just one. Find me a single, solitary soul who has sued
> more people, taken more people's money, or flip-flopped on more
> reviews.

Mick
January 25th 06, 10:29 PM
Steve,

Please review the context of the discussion. I know what you say could
be technically correct, just as we could name the 9-11 terrorists,
Hurricane Katrina, every modern President as they travel around the
country, etc. However, that's a specious argument and not relevant to
our discussion.

To make it simple for folks to follow the conversation, name another
"journalist" or aviation "advocate" who...

Mick

Chris Wells
January 25th 06, 11:47 PM
Mick said:

TO MAKE IT FAIR: I welcome suggestions of people who have done more
good in aviation. I'll start the list with PAUL H. POBEREZNY (homebuilt
aviation) and PHIL BOYER (general aviation).




I'll add Larry Mauro and John Moody, in honor of the newly-re-released Easy Riser.

anon
January 26th 06, 03:50 AM
Juan Jimenez wrote:
Like I said, I believe you should
> have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side of the story. Until you do
> that, all you're doing is blowing more hot air of the RAH gaggle type. :)

Juan, it is interesting that you suggest talking to Jim. I have had the
pleasure, so I have passed your hot air test.

I spoke to Jim, when he called me on my cell phone early one Sunday
morning. I ended up getting his side of a number of his "stories" in
the course of this 60+ minute conversation.

During this phone call, I was lectured and threatened and was party to
both sides of the good cop bad cop routine.

After I advised a British aviation magazine to check out Jim's
credentials a little more carefully before accepting his contributions,
that same magazine provided Jim with my email message and cell phone
number. This says something about that magazine's integrity.

A good part of the conversation centered around his test pilot
experience and credentials and his general credibility.

He pleasantly asked me to publicly and privately retract my statements.
When I told him that I wasn't especially interested in retracting my
statements, he turned up the heat and started making legal threats.

Without getting upset, I told Jim that I would take my chances in court
if that is what he wanted to do. I told him that it would be
interesting to witness my father's testimony and that of dozens of Navy
test pilots echoing my interpretation of Jim's claims and credentials.

When I mentioned that given his medical history and public record of his
activities, he might be at a disadvantage facing me in court.

He kept switching characters, a few minutes good cop, a few minutes bad
cop. He would threaten legal action, explaining the consequences of his
legal victory and in the next breath, start crying about how such
statements are hurting his ability to provide for himself and his family
and nicely asking me to retract the statements or cease making further
statements of that nature.

Well, Juan, that's my experience with Jim. He's a train wreck and you
invite criticism through your association with him.

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 26th 06, 04:24 AM
In article <lGXBf.513772$084.422173@attbi_s22>, anon says...
>
>Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Like I said, I believe you should
>> have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side of the story. Until you do
>> that, all you're doing is blowing more hot air of the RAH gaggle type. :)
>
>Juan, it is interesting that you suggest talking to Jim. I have had the
>pleasure, so I have passed your hot air test.
>
>I spoke to Jim, when he called me on my cell phone early one Sunday
>morning. I ended up getting his side of a number of his "stories" in
>the course of this 60+ minute conversation.
>
>During this phone call, I was lectured and threatened and was party to
>both sides of the good cop bad cop routine.
>
>After I advised a British aviation magazine to check out Jim's
>credentials a little more carefully before accepting his contributions,
>that same magazine provided Jim with my email message and cell phone
>number. This says something about that magazine's integrity.
>
>A good part of the conversation centered around his test pilot
>experience and credentials and his general credibility.
>
>He pleasantly asked me to publicly and privately retract my statements.
> When I told him that I wasn't especially interested in retracting my
>statements, he turned up the heat and started making legal threats.
>
>Without getting upset, I told Jim that I would take my chances in court
>if that is what he wanted to do. I told him that it would be
>interesting to witness my father's testimony and that of dozens of Navy
>test pilots echoing my interpretation of Jim's claims and credentials.
>
>When I mentioned that given his medical history and public record of his
>activities, he might be at a disadvantage facing me in court.
>
>He kept switching characters, a few minutes good cop, a few minutes bad
>cop. He would threaten legal action, explaining the consequences of his
>legal victory and in the next breath, start crying about how such
>statements are hurting his ability to provide for himself and his family
>and nicely asking me to retract the statements or cease making further
>statements of that nature.
>
>Well, Juan, that's my experience with Jim. He's a train wreck and you
>invite criticism through your association with him.


I remember that incident. I among others wrote the magazine when I saw the
credentials that zoom had presented to the magazine. I told them if they didn't
want to lose their credibility they should do a background check on their latest
contributer.

Everything you say is exactly how zoom operates and for jaun to defend zoom
and then lie by saying it never happened is shameful...Beside inviting criticism
jaun has also lost his credibility.


Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

anon
January 26th 06, 06:34 AM
Hi, Chuck


It was a strange conversation, indeed.

If I wasn't so fascinated and entertained by the emotional roller
coaster I was listening to, I would have hung up sooner.

A great deal of this inane conversation was about his
self-identification as a test pilot. He rationalized that since he was
evaluating a bunch of planes for his magazine and took a class, he was a
test pilot.

I explained that he has a right to see himself that way, but he should
expect some scrutiny. I told him that it wouldn't pass the "sniff
test" if you tried to get a panel of real test pilots to accept his
definition.

His thoughts about you and your aircraft were just as bizarre.

He was disappointed that I had never met anybody on RAH, as it didn't
fit his conspiracy theory or evil influence theory.

It was indeed a pleasure when I met you during your presentation in
Lexington, Kentucky. The room was packed and a number of people drove
quite a distance to hear you speak. I've never heard anyone speak an
ill word of you, Chuck, but that might indicate that the conspiracy
knows no ends.

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 26th 06, 01:31 PM
In article <v3_Bf.724741$x96.157436@attbi_s72>, anon says...

>If I wasn't so fascinated and entertained by the emotional roller
>coaster I was listening to, I would have hung up sooner.
>
>A great deal of this inane conversation was about his
>self-identification as a test pilot. He rationalized that since he was
>evaluating a bunch of planes for his magazine and took a class, he was a
>test pilot.
>
>I explained that he has a right to see himself that way, but he should
>expect some scrutiny. I told him that it wouldn't pass the "sniff
>test" if you tried to get a panel of real test pilots to accept his
>definition.

That has to do with his mixing perception and reality. He creates the
"perception" that he is a "test Pilot" and most people will take him at face
value and believe it. But if you check his credentials the "reality" is
something else. He is trying to imply that he is an accredited ,engineered Test
Pilot something which he is not. Doing pilot reports on certificated airplanes
and a week in a school do not qualify for as a Test pilot ...except maybe in
zooms and jauns wierd world.

I can say I got a lot of jet time...yeah in row 23E .But he'll throw out
comments like that ,again implying that he was PIC of a number of jets like
"I've got some F-16 time" Right in the back seat of an ANG jet getting a ride.
It was just that kind of stuff he was trying to pass on the the English magazine
that is dishonest. But jaun believes it LOL!!

>His thoughts about you and your aircraft were just as bizarre.


Well we all know that :-)


>He was disappointed that I had never met anybody on RAH, as it didn't
>fit his conspiracy theory or evil influence theory.


True enough I didn't know of you until after you joined the I've been zoom and
survived gaggle and a proud gaggle we are.Why the list of the zoomed is long and
illistrious and contains a who's who of general aviation .Our motto "the Proud
,the many the zoomed" is as revelent now as it was 5 -10 years ago.


>It was indeed a pleasure when I met you during your presentation in
>Lexington, Kentucky. The room was packed and a number of people drove
>quite a distance to hear you speak. I've never heard anyone speak an
>ill word of you, Chuck, but that might indicate that the conspiracy
>knows no ends.

Boy now you did it!!LOL!! It just happens that I'm heading to Lexington KY this
week end to talk at the BUG Safety Seminar.During the day I'm doing a talk on
designing for crashworthiness. Later I'll be the after dinner speaker talking
about my adventures as an Ultralight Pioneer.All true stories as I'll have video
to back it up LOL!!! Yup it's a conspiracy all right :-)

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"if I wrote it I did it"............was what zoom told me after I said he didn't
loop,roll and spin a Hawk during his flight review in 1983 at Geauga County
Airport.This was told to me in my booth at SnF shortly before he was kicked out
of SnF for causing trouble....

John Ousterhout
January 26th 06, 03:05 PM
Juan Jimenez wrote:

> At any rate, Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
> shocked when I told him he had passed away.


BRAVO-SIERRA !

Every now and then I am reminded again why I ignore you Juan.

- John Ousterhout -
rah/14 and proud of it.

The Captain Zoom Story: http://ousterhout.net/zoom.html

January 26th 06, 03:41 PM
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:06:50 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
>shocked when I told him he had passed away. (No, I don't care who believes
>me or not, you should know that by now.)

I choose "not", given that Tony brought Zoomie to court several times,
and the court found in his (Tony's) favor.

Corky Scott

January 26th 06, 05:09 PM
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:41:51 -0500,
wrote:

>>Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
>>shocked when I told him he had passed away. (No, I don't care who believes
>>me or not, you should know that by now.)
>
>I choose "not", given that Tony brought Zoomie to court several times,
>and the court found in his (Tony's) favor.
>
>Corky Scott

Now that I thought about this for a little longer, it could very well
be that Zoomie was "sincerely shocked". People often are shocked to
hear of the untimely demise of someone they know, whether this person
be friend or foe.

So Zoomie could have seemed shocked. Likely shocked at his good
fortune that Tony would no longer be around to drag him into court.

Corky Scott

John Ammeter
January 26th 06, 05:55 PM
Actually, Corky, I'd translate "a lot of respect for Tony" as Jimbo was
terrified of him. The thought that he would have to answer those 100
questions that Tony had put together exposing the lies and deception
that Jim excells in was a horrifying thought to JC...

"shocked" probably was merely another way of saying surprised (and
elated that his enemy was no longer here)...

john

wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:06:50 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely
>>shocked when I told him he had passed away. (No, I don't care who believes
>>me or not, you should know that by now.)
>
>
> I choose "not", given that Tony brought Zoomie to court several times,
> and the court found in his (Tony's) favor.
>
> Corky Scott

Juan Jimenez
January 26th 06, 06:30 PM
"Mick" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Juan said:
> "I believe you should have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side
> of the story. Until you do that, all you're doing is blowing more hot
> air of the RAH gaggle type. :)"
>
> Mick replied:
>
> Juan,
>
> I think I'll take the opposite approach that you have.

You do that, kiddo. Enjoy. :)

Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't
mean it wasn't. Next!

Juan Jimenez
January 26th 06, 06:32 PM
"Mick" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Steve,
>
> Please review the context of the discussion.

Context? LOL! What would you know about context? :)

> I know what you say could be technically correct...


<translation, "sh*t, caught with my pants down and my brain showing...
sheesh...>

> To make it simple for folks to follow the conversation, name another
> "journalist" or aviation "advocate" who...

Keep trying, sooner or later you'll get there if you modify the question a
few hundred times more. :)

Juan Jimenez
January 26th 06, 06:36 PM
"anon" > wrote in message
news:lGXBf.513772$084.422173@attbi_s22...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Like I said, I believe you should
>> have the gumption to talk to Jim and get his side of the story. Until you
>> do that, all you're doing is blowing more hot air of the RAH gaggle type.
>> :)
>
> Juan, it is interesting that you suggest talking to Jim. I have had the
> pleasure, so I have passed your hot air test.
>
> I spoke to Jim, when he called me on my cell phone early one Sunday
> morning. I ended up getting his side of a number of his "stories" in the
> course of this 60+ minute conversation.
>
> During this phone call, I was lectured and threatened and was party to
> both sides of the good cop bad cop routine.
>
> After I advised a British aviation magazine to check out Jim's credentials
> a little more carefully before accepting his contributions, that same
> magazine provided Jim with my email message and cell phone number. This
> says something about that magazine's integrity.

It could just as well say much more about the accuracy of your story, and
the fact that you won't name which magazine broke your confidence says even
more. Are you worried they're going to take exception to your side of the
story? If so, why?

I do believe I will <mercy snip> at this point. There's too many BS artists
plying trades around here these days.

Juan

Juan Jimenez
January 26th 06, 06:37 PM
"John Ousterhout" > wrote in
message news:jz5Cf.756983$xm3.616820@attbi_s21...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> At any rate, Jim had a lot of respect for Tony and was sincerely shocked
>> when I told him he had passed away.
>
>
> BRAVO-SIERRA !
>
> Every now and then I am reminded again why I ignore you Juan.

I'm glad you're easily entertained. :)

Juan Jimenez
January 26th 06, 06:40 PM
"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
> Actually, Corky, I'd translate "a lot of respect for Tony" as Jimbo was
> terrified of him. The thought that he would have to answer those 100
> questions that Tony had put together exposing the lies and deception that
> Jim excells in was a horrifying thought to JC...

Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to figure
that one out. :)

Steve Foley
January 26th 06, 07:45 PM
Does that mean there is only one correct answer?

BTW, my wife is ****ed off at me for 'improving' her flan by following your
aluminium foil suggestion.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d91536$0$9235

> Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
doesn't
> mean it wasn't. Next!

anon
January 27th 06, 01:01 AM
Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> It could just as well say much more about the accuracy of your story, and
> the fact that you won't name which magazine broke your confidence says even
> more. Are you worried they're going to take exception to your side of the
> story? If so, why?
>
> I do believe I will <mercy snip> at this point. There's too many BS artists
> plying trades around here these days.

Juan,

Why don't you ask Jim? He knows the magazine and probably recalls the
phone call.

If you want to jog Jim's memory, it was Pilot magazine and the call took
place in March or April of 2003.

There is no doubt that the Pilot editor forwarded my email or
significant portions of it to Jim, as he quoted it verbatim when he
called me.

The details of the call were a little fresher when I described my
conversation with Jim in a post dated Apr 11, 2003 on RAH.

Juan, you are quite the journalist, researcher, and IT professional
aren't you? In thirty seconds you could have found that the magazine
was likely to be one of two popular magazines, then a search of "Pilot
magazine zoom" would have revealed the answer and led you to my earlier
post and other posts about Jim's short tenure as a Pilot contributor.

You are known by the company you keep, Juan. Do you think your
association with Jim has helped or hurt your reputation in journalism,
aviation, or aviation journalism?

anon
January 27th 06, 01:09 AM
Juan Jimenez wrote:

>
> It could just as well say much more about the accuracy of your story, and
> the fact that you won't name which magazine broke your confidence says even
> more. Are you worried they're going to take exception to your side of the
> story? If so, why?

Juan, I didn't recall the magazine title in my first post, but you know
it now. I sent my original email to this Pilot magazine email address:




As you doubt the accuracy of my description of the events associated
with Pilot magazine, I really can't do more than encourage you to ask
Jim to recount his side of the story and contact Pilot magazine.

Ask Jim what happened to his writing gig at Pilot, while you are at it.

Mick
January 27th 06, 01:16 AM
Juan proclaimed,
"> I think I'll take the opposite approach that you have.
You do that, kiddo. Enjoy. :)
Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
doesn't
mean it wasn't. Next!"

Chuck, Juan called me kiddo! I have truly arrived.

Mick

Harry K
January 27th 06, 03:28 AM
Mick wrote:
> Juan proclaimed,
> "> I think I'll take the opposite approach that you have.
> You do that, kiddo. Enjoy. :)
> Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
> doesn't
> mean it wasn't. Next!"
>
> Chuck, Juan called me kiddo! I have truly arrived.
>
> Mick

Not until you get a "govern yourself accordingly"

Harry K

JStricker
January 27th 06, 08:06 AM
You malign a good and decent man when you talk about Tony. He helped so
many people in an incredibly unselfish manner his entire life, the concept
would be totally alien to you.

Kiss my ass you pompous prick.

John "Still around, but lurking" Stricker

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d9176d$0$9246
> Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
> consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to
> figure that one out. :)
>
>

Ron Wanttaja
January 27th 06, 09:11 AM
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:06:36 -0600, "JStricker" > wrote:

> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d9176d$0$9246
> > Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
> > consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to
> > figure that one out. :)

Manuel J. Dominguez, of Daves, Whalen, McHale & Considine, P.A. was Tony's
co-attorney in the RAH-15 case. His name is on all the papers Tony filed.

> You malign a good and decent man when you talk about Tony. He helped so
> many people in an incredibly unselfish manner his entire life, the concept
> would be totally alien to you.

In any case, it's a moot point. Tony was the plaintiff in his suit against
Zoom. His death basically ended his suit against Zoom...Manny had no basis to
continue it.

As far as Zoom's suit against the RAH-15, thirteen had already been dismissed by
then. Tony's death left just one co-defendant, Walt Troyer. Walt got dismissed
without lifting a finger when the judge dismissed the entire case due to lack of
prosecution.

http://oris.co.palm-beach.fl.us/or_web1/details.asp?doc_id=12111658&file_num=20010525885

Note Mr. Dominguez's name.

Zoom did not file to reinstate the suit...my guess is that *his* attorney was a
bit tired of him. As far as I'm aware, Mr. Clager has not represented Zoom in
any case since.

Ron Wanttaja

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 27th 06, 02:23 PM
In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>
>On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:06:36 -0600, "JStricker" > wrote:
>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d9176d$0$9246
>> > Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
>> > consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to
>> > figure that one out. :)
>
>Manuel J. Dominguez, of Daves, Whalen, McHale & Considine, P.A. was Tony's
>co-attorney in the RAH-15 case. His name is on all the papers Tony filed.

The last time I talked to Tony's wife Shirley she said if we ever needed an
attorney in any case involving zoom that Manuel's the guy.She said he knew as
much about zoom as Tony did.
She said we should all pitch in and take zoom on using Manuel.So when I'm ready
Manuel is the guy I'm calling.

So I guess once again jaun is playing with words in saying that "Too bad not a
single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as consider taking over
that case, eh? Hmm." He knows that the case ended with Tony's death and the case
is moot. It has nothing to do with the merits of the case. It was a semi nice
try by yawn...But as usual he's good at snippy catty remarks but short on
substance.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 27th 06, 02:34 PM
In article >, JStricker says...

Hi John nice to hear from you hope all is well for you.


>You malign a good and decent man when you talk about Tony. He helped so
>many people in an incredibly unselfish manner his entire life, the concept
>would be totally alien to you.

jaun hasn't a clue about Tony except for what zoom told him and as all good
slaves do he listened and obeyed. An ex ANN insider once told me that only 2
names would fire up zoom, mine and Tony's. And for jaun to say that zoom was
shocked by Tony's death was just another attempt to confuse perception with
reality. He tried to created the perception that zoom really felt bad because
Tony died when the reality was he was shocked at the death because he was off
the hook.


>
>Kiss my ass you pompous prick.


Well said John

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 27th 06, 02:41 PM
In article . com>, Mick says...
>
>Juan proclaimed,
>"> I think I'll take the opposite approach that you have.
>You do that, kiddo. Enjoy. :)
>Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
>doesn't
>mean it wasn't. Next!"
>
>Chuck, Juan called me kiddo! I have truly arrived.


Congratulations on your first "jauning" keep it up. Now if you ask zoom the same
questions ,soon you'll be the recipient of a whole host of threats such as ,
"authorities have been notified" ,"I'm contacting my attorneys in the morning"
and the mother of all threats "govern yourself accordingly" Then you will have
earned the distinction of being a part of the "gaggle". Semper Fi

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Juan Jimenez
January 30th 06, 08:18 PM
LOL! You're kidding! Oh, man, sorry about that. Any other recipes you want
to try improving, or have you decided you've pushed your luck far enough? :)

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:yF9Cf.3554$ie3.3548@trndny09...
> Does that mean there is only one correct answer?
>
> BTW, my wife is ****ed off at me for 'improving' her flan by following
> your
> aluminium foil suggestion.
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d91536$0$9235
>
>> Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
> doesn't
>> mean it wasn't. Next!
>
>
>

Juan Jimenez
January 30th 06, 08:22 PM
"anon" > wrote in message
news:pheCf.727134$x96.425963@attbi_s72...
>
> Juan,
>
> Why don't you ask Jim? He knows the magazine and probably recalls the
> phone call.

Because it's your story, and your fear. :)

> There is no doubt that the Pilot editor forwarded my email or significant
> portions of it to Jim, as he quoted it verbatim when he called me.

And did you ask him why he did that?

> Juan, you are quite the journalist, researcher, and IT professional aren't
> you? In thirty seconds you could have found that the magazine was likely
> to be one of two popular magazines, then a search of "Pilot magazine zoom"
> would have revealed the answer and led you to my earlier post and other
> posts about Jim's short tenure as a Pilot contributor.

Had I had the slightest interest, maybe. I don't.

> You are known by the company you keep, Juan. Do you think your
> association with Jim has helped or hurt your reputation in journalism,
> aviation, or aviation journalism?

Among those in the industry who count for something, it has helped. Made a
lot of friends, met a lot of new people, helped a lot of people by
publicizing the existence of some really good products made by companies and
people who deserved the publicity, and never killed anyone in the process,
which is more than people around here can claim. :)

Juan Jimenez
January 30th 06, 08:24 PM
"JStricker" > wrote in message
...
> You malign a good and decent man when you talk about Tony. He helped so
> many people in an incredibly unselfish manner his entire life, the concept
> would be totally alien to you.
>
> Kiss my ass you pompous prick.
>
> John "Still around, but lurking" Stricker
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d9176d$0$9246
>> Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
>> consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to
>> figure that one out. :)

Get Chuck to do it, he's always good for that. :)

Besides, I had some good, long talks with Tony. We disagreed on a lot of
things, but at least he was enough of a man to recognize that and leave it
at that, which is more than I can say about some pitiful excuses for males
of the species who crawl the gutters around here.

Juan Jimenez
January 30th 06, 08:25 PM
"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> She said we should all pitch in and take zoom on using Manuel.So when I'm
> ready
> Manuel is the guy I'm calling.

You've been saying you're ready, getting your quacks in line, for what,
years now? LOL!

Juan

Steve Foley
January 31st 06, 01:58 AM
Ever had Lomo Saltado?

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
m...
> LOL! You're kidding! Oh, man, sorry about that. Any other recipes you want
> to try improving, or have you decided you've pushed your luck far enough?
:)
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:yF9Cf.3554$ie3.3548@trndny09...
> > Does that mean there is only one correct answer?
> >
> > BTW, my wife is ****ed off at me for 'improving' her flan by following
> > your
> > aluminium foil suggestion.
> >
> > "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d91536$0$9235
> >
> >> Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
> > doesn't
> >> mean it wasn't. Next!
> >
> >
> >
>
>

JStricker
January 31st 06, 02:52 AM
Somehow I doubt that. I suspect you've been hanging around Captain Zoom too
long and have taken up his habit of embellishment. I knew Tony before you
found the power switch on the 'puter, as did most of those you belittle
here. Don't presume to lecture me on things which you know nothing about.

John Stricker

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "JStricker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You malign a good and decent man when you talk about Tony. He helped so
>> many people in an incredibly unselfish manner his entire life, the
>> concept would be totally alien to you.
>>
>> Kiss my ass you pompous prick.
>>
>> John "Still around, but lurking" Stricker
>>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d9176d$0$9246
>>> Too bad not a single solitary soul accepted to the bar would so much as
>>> consider taking over that case, eh? Hmm. Don't have to be a lawyer to
>>> figure that one out. :)
>
> Get Chuck to do it, he's always good for that. :)
>
> Besides, I had some good, long talks with Tony. We disagreed on a lot of
> things, but at least he was enough of a man to recognize that and leave it
> at that, which is more than I can say about some pitiful excuses for males
> of the species who crawl the gutters around here.
>

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 31st 06, 04:27 AM
In article >, JStricker says...
>
>Somehow I doubt that. I suspect you've been hanging around Captain Zoom too
>long and have taken up his habit of embellishment. I knew Tony before you
>found the power switch on the 'puter, as did most of those you belittle
>here. Don't presume to lecture me on things which you know nothing about.
>
>John Stricker


>>jaun said:
>> Besides, I had some good, long talks with Tony. We disagreed on a lot of
>> things, but at least he was enough of a man to recognize that and leave it
>> at that, which is more than I can say about some pitiful excuses for males
>> of the species who crawl the gutters around here.

Ya got that right John,zoom and jaun couldn't carry Tonys briefcase.But jaun
finally said something I can agree with when he said about Tony... "We disagreed
on a lot of things, but at least he was enough of a man to recognize that and
leave it at that,".

Tony left it like that because he was flabbergasted at jauns illogical defense
of zoom. He said jaun was being hard headed just to be hard headed and that zoom
probably gave jaun the recognition he didn't get elsewhere.

Tony politely said what I was saying all along that jaun was a toady. Jaun seems
to forget that a lot of us knew Tony a lot longer and a lot better then he did
..He knows not of what he speaks ,but whats new about that? :-)

By the way I'm going to be on Ultra Flight radio tomorrow and just for grins I
counted his sponsors. He's got 20 and tomorrow he'll have 21 as I just signed up
as a sponsor. He has a small niche market of Ultralight and Sport aircraft
enthusiasts and has 21 ads. ANN with "all" the aviation market available can
barely scrape up 19.ANN is a big success alright LOL!!

See ya John

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

anon
January 31st 06, 04:27 AM
>> You are known by the company you keep, Juan. Do you think your
>> association with Jim has helped or hurt your reputation in journalism,
>> aviation, or aviation journalism?
>
> Among those in the industry who count for something, it has helped. Made a
> lot of friends, met a lot of new people, helped a lot of people by
> publicizing the existence of some really good products made by companies and
> people who deserved the publicity, and never killed anyone in the process,
> which is more than people around here can claim. :)


Juan, I can see you making a claim for fighting the good fight.
However, you are delusional if you think your association with Jim has
helped your reputation.

Juan Jimenez
February 2nd 06, 02:43 PM
"JStricker" > wrote in message
...
> Somehow I doubt that.

So? <chuckle> Do I look like I give a flying intercourse what you doubt or
don't doubt?

> I knew Tony before you found the power switch on the 'puter, as did most
> of those you
> belittle here. Don't presume to lecture me on things which you know
> nothing about.

Oh, here we go, another putz who thinks he invented the Internet too. You
should take your own advice, particularly when I could care less what you
think you can lecture anyone about.

Juan Jimenez
February 2nd 06, 02:46 PM
Yes, but that's a Peruvian recipe I've never tried to cook. Looks
interesting though. I do have something that would go very well with that,
but it requires green plaintains. Can you get those where you live?

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> Ever had Lomo Saltado?
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> m...
>> LOL! You're kidding! Oh, man, sorry about that. Any other recipes you
>> want
>> to try improving, or have you decided you've pushed your luck far enough?
> :)
>>
>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>> news:yF9Cf.3554$ie3.3548@trndny09...
>> > Does that mean there is only one correct answer?
>> >
>> > BTW, my wife is ****ed off at me for 'improving' her flan by following
>> > your
>> > aluminium foil suggestion.
>> >
>> > "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message news:43d91536$0$9235
>> >
>> >> Question asked and answered. Just because you don't like the answer
>> > doesn't
>> >> mean it wasn't. Next!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Juan Jimenez
February 2nd 06, 02:47 PM
"anon" > wrote in message
news:cHBDf.765074$xm3.688548@attbi_s21...
>>> You are known by the company you keep, Juan. Do you think your
>>> association with Jim has helped or hurt your reputation in journalism,
>>> aviation, or aviation journalism?
>>
>> Among those in the industry who count for something, it has helped. Made
>> a lot of friends, met a lot of new people, helped a lot of people by
>> publicizing the existence of some really good products made by companies
>> and people who deserved the publicity, and never killed anyone in the
>> process, which is more than people around here can claim. :)
>
> Juan, I can see you making a claim for fighting the good fight. However,
> you are delusional if you think your association with Jim has helped your
> reputation.

Stick to your day job, a psychoanalist you are not. The difference between
my conclusion and yours is that you're basing it on the product of your
imagination, I'm basing mine on my personal, verifiable experience. Who's
really delusional here? :)

anon
February 3rd 06, 02:07 AM
Juan Jimenez wrote:

>> Juan, I can see you making a claim for fighting the good fight. However,
>> you are delusional if you think your association with Jim has helped your
>> reputation.
>
> Stick to your day job, a psychoanalist you are not. The difference between
> my conclusion and yours is that you're basing it on the product of your
> imagination, I'm basing mine on my personal, verifiable experience. Who's
> really delusional here? :)

Juan,

I don't know you or Campbell. I have specific criticisms of Campbell, I
have few criticisms of you, other than questioning your choice to
associate with Campbell and maybe your celebration of Bede.

My opinions are based on what you and Campbell have written and my one
lengthy phone conversation with Campbell.

I'm not part of any conspiracy, but I have yet to find one person that
has not reached the same conclusions I have about Campbell when
presented with the facts - not my opinions - but the facts.

I have not been influenced by anyone on RAH. I don't normally care what
other think. However, if everybody reaches the same conclusions, that is
consensus. A consensus can be wrong, but you at least have to recognize
that you are a dissenting voice in the crowd.

In an earlier post, I suggested that your reputation is at risk as a
consequence of your association with Campbell. I might have overshot
the mark, a bit.

If your reputation is established by those that have no knowledge of
Campbell's behavior and history, you are probably safe. It's a numbers
game. However, it is a game you are winning due to ignorance.

Those that have surveyed Campbell's life and career are very unlikely to
see how you could benefit from such an association and are very likely
to judge you based on your association with Campbell.

Your response to criticisms of Campbell predictably fall in a couple of
categories. You either suggest the party is lying or state that you
don't care about the facts presented.

In my case, you not only suggested that my interpretation of my
conversation with Campbell might be biased, you questioned just about
every element of my story. That's fine. It just looks a bit silly
when you could confirm the basic facts - if you wanted to.

The fact is, you don't want to. You don't want to confront Campbell and
it looks like you want to keep your distance from any interaction that
might force you to comment on the facts, not just the opinions of others.

You won't comment on the facts, because the facts do not portray
Campbell in a favorable light when presented to any number of
independent-thinking individuals.

Juan, you and I are different.

I judge people not exclusively by how they treat me, but by how they
treat others over an extended expanse of time.

You, on the other hand, appear to judge Campbell based on how he has
treated you. That's fine...it just has consequences.

BobR
February 3rd 06, 03:27 PM
Jaun is the perfect example of "Don't confuse me with the facts, my
mind is already made up." In his case, you can judge him by his
associations but a more accurate assesment would be to judge him by how
he has interacted with so many on this group. Disagree with him on ANY
point and it becomes a war of words and he will never accept any fact
that doesn't agree with his conclusions. Campbell is but one example,
Bede is another great example, and the list goes on and on an on. I
finally realized that the only way to handle Jaun was to put in a block
that prevents any of his posts from showing up in my reader. His
replies simply don't appear anymore and I sure as hell don't miss them.

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