Don't try this with Atlas Jay

[Flyingmonk]

http://www.biff.nl/images/filmpjes/Helicopter%20zuid%20Afrika.wmv

Shouldn't do it with passengers anyways. When the donkey quits, he can
die alone, no need to take anyone w/ him. Not question of if, but
when?

The Monk

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I'll bet the kid in the left seat had a white-knuckle death grip on the
door frame strap..

[Jay Honeck]

Wow.

I can't decide whether that was an awesome display of flying skill,
stupidity -- or both.

Cool video, though!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

I've done scud runs myself, but never w/ a pax and always way out in
the boonies.

The Monk

[Jay Honeck]

> I've done scud runs myself, but never w/ a pax and always way out in
> the boonies.

Well, that certainly looked to be way out in the boonies!

I'd have been crapping myself when he missed those trees by (what looks
like) a few feet. Honestly, I think after surviving that flight I would
probably have punched the pilot out when I got back on the ground.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Big John]

FlyingMonk

Always looks hairy on film. In cockpit, just a Sunday drive :o)

Big John
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On 24 Jan 2006 19:39:44 -0800, "Flyingmonk" >
wrote:

>http://www.biff.nl/images/filmpjes/Helicopter%20zuid%20Afrika.wmv
>
>Shouldn't do it with passengers anyways. When the donkey quits, he can
>die alone, no need to take anyone w/ him. Not question of if, but
>when?
>
>The Monk

[Flyingmonk]

>Always looks hairy on film. In cockpit, just a Sunday drive :o)

>Big John

Doesn't look harry to me at all John, I have done similar on many
occasions with both fixed wings and helos. It is the fact that he's
doing it with pax that bothers me. He has no right to play their
lives. What if the donkey quits?

The Monk

[Marco Leon]

"How the heck did that happen?" would not be a burning question if this
flight had turned ugly.

Marco

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> http://www.biff.nl/images/filmpjes/Helicopter%20zuid%20Afrika.wmv
>
> Shouldn't do it with passengers anyways. When the donkey quits, he can
> die alone, no need to take anyone w/ him. Not question of if, but
> when?
>
> The Monk
>



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[zatatime]

On 24 Jan 2006 19:39:44 -0800, "Flyingmonk" >
wrote:

>http://www.biff.nl/images/filmpjes/Helicopter%20zuid%20Afrika.wmv
>
>Shouldn't do it with passengers anyways. When the donkey quits, he can
>die alone, no need to take anyone w/ him. Not question of if, but
>when?
>
>The Monk


That's the only thing I've ever wanted to do in a helicopter. (Not
necessarily the mountain stuff but flying through the river bed and
all). Good news is that was shot well enough that now I don't have
to!

Thanks for the link.
z

[Leonard Ellis]

I take it you guys are not helicopter pilots. I didn't see anything all
that scary in the video although some of it would have been far too
dangerous in most any airplane for my tastes.

Cheers,
Leonard
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:WRMBf.723688$x96.60927@attbi_s72...
>> I've done scud runs myself, but never w/ a pax and always way out in
>> the boonies.
>
> Well, that certainly looked to be way out in the boonies!
>
> I'd have been crapping myself when he missed those trees by (what looks
> like) a few feet. Honestly, I think after surviving that flight I would
> probably have punched the pilot out when I got back on the ground.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Flyingmonk]

Leonard wrote:
>I take it you guys are not helicopter pilots. I didn't see anything all
>that scary in the video although some of it would have been far too
>dangerous in most any airplane for my tastes.

No Leonard, we're not even plank drivers, we have rickshaws that we
pull around on the streets of Vietnam. We actually make good money
doing this, 30-40 Dongs a day. Enough to buy a big bowl of Pho. We
just come here to RAP to pretend we're pilots.

The Monk

[Montblack]

"Flyingmonk"
> No Leonard, we're not even plank drivers, we have rickshaws that we pull
> around on the streets of Vietnam. We actually make good money doing this,
> 30-40 Dongs a day. Enough to buy a big bowl of Pho. We just come here
> to RAP to pretend we're pilots.


Different cultures:
We say, "Money! Cha-ching." ...while they say, "Money! Ding-dong."


Montblack

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Leonard Ellis" > wrote in message
m...
>I take it you guys are not helicopter pilots. I didn't see anything all
>that scary in the video although some of it would have been far too
>dangerous in most any airplane for my tastes.
>
> Cheers,
> Leonard

Most of it didn't look all that bad, as I understand it, you can autorotate
if you have speed even if you don't have altitude. But how would you
autorotate if you are hoovering with your nose 50 feet away from a cliff?
Pull the cyclic back and do it in reverse?
You are right - at least I'm not a helicopter pilot - so I don't have a clue
if it is easy or impossible..

--
Geoff
the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.

[Leonard Ellis]

Yes, so long as the aircraft has sufficient altitude, one can recover
sufficient airspeed [really, kinetic energy in the rotor system], even with
an initial slide to the rear if you let the fuselage turn in the same
direction as the rotors, to perform a successful autorotation. However,
there is an area in the flight envelope of every helicopter we called "the
dead man zone" within which a successful autorotation is very unlikely or
impossible. Hovering or flying at low airspeed within a few feet of a cliff
face is no big deal if not operating within the dead man's zone for that
aircraft.

During RVN, I suffered a total engine failure (N1 compressor ate itself) at
very low altitude, thankfully at a high enough airspeed (~100 Kt), in a Huey
(UH-1H) from which the textbook recovery worked perfectly: slight popup,
bottom the pitch, hard flare to rebuild rotor rpm while killing forward
motion and finally use the rotor system's stored energy to cushion the
machine onto the ground. It helps if you happen to be flying into the wind
at the moment of power loss.

I expect that most crashes from low altitude and high airspeeds in
helicopters to usually be the consequence of flying into something which
swats the machine from the air or from some sort of loss of control induced
by pilot control input, weather/wind, combat damage, or mechanical failure.
One can do that sort of thing in any sort of flying machine, eh?

I know that even in normal and cautious operation of our Skyhawk, there are
times when I'm flying the aircraft in situations which are probably not 100%
survivable in every circumstance, such as total power loss during an ILS
approach to an airport which has extended over water exposure on the final.
For that matter, driving around in my wife's Volvo isn't 100% safe, although
it is probably at least marginally safer than my Mazda MX-5 roadster.

Cheers,
Leonard
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in message
...
> "Leonard Ellis" > wrote in message
> m...
>>I take it you guys are not helicopter pilots. I didn't see anything all
>>that scary in the video although some of it would have been far too
>>dangerous in most any airplane for my tastes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Leonard
>
> Most of it didn't look all that bad, as I understand it, you can
> autorotate if you have speed even if you don't have altitude. But how
> would you autorotate if you are hoovering with your nose 50 feet away from
> a cliff? Pull the cyclic back and do it in reverse?
> You are right - at least I'm not a helicopter pilot - so I don't have a
> clue if it is easy or impossible..
>
> --
> Geoff
> the sea hawk at wow way d0t com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.
>

[Mike Weller]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:44:17 GMT, "Leonard Ellis"
> wrote:

<really good stuff snipped here>

Thanks for the post.

You put many things into a perspective that many young pilots don't
seem to grasp. Your writing and insights should be required reading
for them.

Please keep it up.

Mike Weller