My first passenger

[Icebound]

Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out an
hour and a half later, he shook my hand, signed the back of my Student
Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the
Government was satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.


I haven't been around to harass you guys very much since my ISP pulled the
plug on USENET service.

But anyway, some of you may recall that I posted a "first solo" in December
2004. My initial flight was in August 2004, and exactly 19,141.12 Canadian
dollars later, (and approximately 100 total hours), I have a PPL.

Approximately 10 hours before finishing... and watching those numbers
skyrocket out of sight... I decided to switch instructors and schools. Had
I not, I wonder if I would be able to type this today.

Based on my experience:
Never choose a big multi-instructor school because it is close. Wrong
reason. It is remarkable how much time is eaten up ferrying back and forth
to the practice area. Driving five times the distance saved at least 20
minutes per flight equals about 70 dollars dual all taxes in. I don't think
it cost me 10 bucks in gas to go the extra distance. Just the 50 or 60
bucks saved per hour of real instruction would have cut five or six grand
right there.

Stay away from schools with computerized instructor booking. Sounds good.
I can schedule my instructor for a month in advance. So can the next guy.
If my dates run into bad weather I have no flexibility to book another day
because he is already booked. It can work in your favour, but it can also
backfire severely, especially in Winter. I ran past the school's
solo-currency requirements a number of times resulting in more instructor
time than should have been necessary.

The toughest thing, however, is to spot the passenger who is posing as an
instructor. I actually thought that my instructor was "pretty good"....
until I took my first ride with the new one. And I suppose he was, in a
way. I did learn all the necessary manoeuvres, after a fashion. But it
only took 10 minutes in the same cockpit with the new one to understand that
I had 90 hours of bad habits to undo.

Anyway... another life experience to cross off the list of things to do
before I die, and now I get to start the next, continuing, phase of it all.
Let's see, I wonder if I have any money left for the night rating...... :-)

Thanks to these groups for some of the initial inspiration to get started.

[Flyingmonk]

Cool... Let me be the first here to say congrats!

The Monk

[Montblack]

("Icebound" wrote)
> Anyway... another life experience to cross off the list of things to do
> before I die, and now I get to start the next, continuing, phase of it
> all. Let's see, I wonder if I have any money left for the night
> rating...... :-)
>
> Thanks to these groups for some of the initial inspiration to get started.


Congratulations Icebound!

Interesting write-up. Good luck with that night thing. :-)


Montblack

[Denny]

Let me also say, congratulations...

Now, $19K canadian for the private rating, yikes... Even allowing for
the conversion to US dollars, I can only repeat a saying from my youth
when we were raising horses - screwed, shoe'd, and tattooed.. I hope
your night dual goes better...

Any time you are in the USA near michigan give a hollar and we will get
together for some flying...

cheers ... denny

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"Icebound" > wrote:
> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out an
> hour and a half later, he shook my hand, signed the back of my Student
> Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the
> Government was satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.

Congratulations!!

> Based on my experience:
> Never choose a big multi-instructor school because it is close. Wrong
> reason. It is remarkable how much time is eaten up ferrying back and forth
> to the practice area. Driving five times the distance saved at least 20
> minutes per flight equals about 70 dollars dual all taxes in. I don't think
> it cost me 10 bucks in gas to go the extra distance. Just the 50 or 60
> bucks saved per hour of real instruction would have cut five or six grand
> right there.

On the other hand, the "right" instructor can make *all* the difference.
The extra 20 minutes to and from the practice area would have been well
worth it had you been flying with the instructor you finished-up with in
the first place, right?

> Stay away from schools with computerized instructor booking. Sounds good.
> I can schedule my instructor for a month in advance. So can the next guy.
> If my dates run into bad weather I have no flexibility to book another day
> because he is already booked. It can work in your favour, but it can also
> backfire severely, especially in Winter.

I worked at a school with online scheduling.
On occasion, schedules for airplanes or instructors had to be adjusted
to accommodate maintenance, weather, or the needs of another customer --
most customers are understanding of this occasional occurrence because
they know when it's their turn, their needs will be addressed in the
same manner. For the most part, it works very well. You can schedule an
airplane/instructor during hours when the office isn't open, without
having to talk with anyone. If your first choice (airplane and/or
instructor) isn't available, you can readily see what/who *is*
available. And **IF** the person keeping the system up to date is on the
ball, all your flight/currency info is readily available, and if you try
to schedule an airplane when your currency has run out or you don't meet
the qualifications for a particular aircraft, the program will not
accept the attempted scheduling and will prompt you to call the office.

>I ran past the school's solo-currency requirements a
>number of times resulting in more instructor time than
>should have been necessary.

Online scheduling *does* force the customer to be more diligent about
his/her own needs re currency and the aircraft/instructor. Flight
training is generally ongoing, a conscientious instructor will
thoroughly explain currency requirements, and he/she will be involved
while you are soloing so that you stay on the schedule and don't
disappear during your currency; however, it is ultimately your
responsibility to stay on the schedule to keep your currency up. The
airplane you fly may not always be available on short notice when you
realize your currency is about to expire, but that can be the case with
manual scheduling as well, if you wait till the last minute to
schedule--that's not the fault of online scheduling.

> The toughest thing, however, is to spot the passenger
> who is posing as an instructor. I actually thought that
> my instructor was "pretty good".... until I took my first
> ride with the new one.

That *is* tough, and hard to know unless you fly with someone different
on occasion. That's one of the advantages of some multi-instructor
schools with structured, spelled-out curriculum, such as a CPC. If your
usual instructor is not available, any other instructor can look at your
records and logbook, see what you are working on, and pick up with no
overlap. Stage checks are also done by a other instructors, giving the
customer the opportunity to fly with someone else.

And nothing substitutes ongoing communication between customer and
instructor -- if you feel you could be progressing more rapidly, that
you and your instructor don't readily "connect", or that your instructor
is not mindful of your time in the airplane or using your $$ wisely, you
need to be pro-active about it. That's not always easy to do without
feeling like you're stepping on toes, but like anything else, the level
of service you get depends on your input/feedback and sense of your own
progress.

Didn't mean this to sound like a lecture, but online scheduling and
multi-instructor schools can be advantageous and don't necessarily all
deserve a bad rap.

Congrats again ... have fun, fly safe.

[Mark Hansen]

On 01/29/06 21:04, Icebound wrote:
> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out an
> hour and a half later, he shook my hand, signed the back of my Student
> Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the
> Government was satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.
>
>

Congratulations, Icebound. It's too bad that you had to go through such
difficulty. But I'm sure you feel better now!

As far as the night rating goes, that's one of the great things about
aviation: There's always more training that can be done.

Good luck with your continuing education!

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Robert A. Barker]

"Icebound" > wrote in message
...
> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out
> an hour and a half later, he shook my hand, signed the back of my Student
> Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the
> Government was satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.
>
>

Icebound: I wondered where you went.I missed your inputs on weather
related threads.

Big Congrats!!!! on the ticket and big welcome back.

All the best

Bob Barker N8749S

[.Blueskies.]

"Icebound" > wrote in message ...
> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out an hour and a half later, he shook my hand,
> signed the back of my Student Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the Government was
> satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.
>

Well put and Congrats!

[Marc CYBW]

Well done!

I wondered about step two as well. Did the retractable gear, complex
aircraft thing in an Arrow. That was OK.

But what was really rewarding was VFR OTT.

Not too much time or expense, but a real challenge and it gets you a good
ways towards an IFR and/or night rating someday. It sure builds confidence
to do radar vectors and a backcourse approach under the hood.

Welcome to a great fraternity.

Marc CYBW

Calgary.

"... cold, but it's a dry cold."


"Icebound" > wrote in message
...
> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane, but when he got out
> an hour and a half later, he shook my hand, signed the back of my Student
> Permit, took some trophy pictures for me, and officially stated that the
> Government was satisfied that I can pilot an airplane.
>
>
> I haven't been around to harass you guys very much since my ISP pulled the
> plug on USENET service.
>
> But anyway, some of you may recall that I posted a "first solo" in
> December 2004. My initial flight was in August 2004, and exactly
> 19,141.12 Canadian dollars later, (and approximately 100 total hours), I
> have a PPL.
>
> Approximately 10 hours before finishing... and watching those numbers
> skyrocket out of sight... I decided to switch instructors and schools.
> Had I not, I wonder if I would be able to type this today.
>
> Based on my experience:
> Never choose a big multi-instructor school because it is close. Wrong
> reason. It is remarkable how much time is eaten up ferrying back and
> forth to the practice area. Driving five times the distance saved at
> least 20 minutes per flight equals about 70 dollars dual all taxes in. I
> don't think it cost me 10 bucks in gas to go the extra distance. Just the
> 50 or 60 bucks saved per hour of real instruction would have cut five or
> six grand right there.
>
> Stay away from schools with computerized instructor booking. Sounds good.
> I can schedule my instructor for a month in advance. So can the next guy.
> If my dates run into bad weather I have no flexibility to book another day
> because he is already booked. It can work in your favour, but it can also
> backfire severely, especially in Winter. I ran past the school's
> solo-currency requirements a number of times resulting in more instructor
> time than should have been necessary.
>
> The toughest thing, however, is to spot the passenger who is posing as an
> instructor. I actually thought that my instructor was "pretty good"....
> until I took my first ride with the new one. And I suppose he was, in a
> way. I did learn all the necessary manoeuvres, after a fashion. But it
> only took 10 minutes in the same cockpit with the new one to understand
> that I had 90 hours of bad habits to undo.
>
> Anyway... another life experience to cross off the list of things to do
> before I die, and now I get to start the next, continuing, phase of it
> all. Let's see, I wonder if I have any money left for the night
> rating...... :-)
>
> Thanks to these groups for some of the initial inspiration to get started.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Icebound]

> wrote in message
...
> "Icebound" > wrote:
>> Of course I had to pay him to get into the airplane,

.... snip...
>
> Didn't mean this to sound like a lecture, but online scheduling and
> multi-instructor schools can be advantageous and don't necessarily all
> deserve a bad rap.
>
> Congrats again ... have fun, fly safe.

Of course I am overstating the case, and all your points are well taken :-)

Perhaps one of the issues was, that in fact the school did not set up any
flights with other instructors, and the only supervisory flights were
pre-solo, primarily to confirm solo-privilege suitability. There would
probably have been another supervisory flight pre
flight-test-recommendation. Consequently certain things seem to have been
un-noticed... or treated as minor... and nobody ever said differently.

For one small example, I thought I was pretty careful about keeping the ball
centred and my instructor never commented in all that time. In fact I was
skidding in certain cases and not picking it up and my new instructor jumped
on me in the first 5 minutes that I was with him.

[Kevin Kubiak]

Congrats!Enjoy your license to learn!

Kevin Kubiak PP-ASEL
Icebound wrote:

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