Post-Mission Projects

[cjcampbell]

Jay's comment about Iowa City and Mormon Trek Road reminded me of a few
projects that I have been thinking about for when I return to the good
ol' US of A.

One was an aerial photographic survey of the Mormon Trail, along with
some ground shots, documenting what is left of the trail. It is fast
disappearing. I wonder what such a project would cost and how I would
go about it. I probably would need at least one other
photographer/pilot to go with me. It would be nice if I could fit an
aerial photography blimp into the budget. I would think that the
project would take a couple years at least, so that I could photograph
the area at different times of the year and also to fit into whatever
else I am doing. I can't think of any possible monetary benefit; it
would have to be entirely a labor of love. I could also do the Oregon
Trail and some other trails in conjunction with this project. But to
make it worthwhile, the whole thing would have to be at least National
Geographic quality or, even better, Arizona Highways, which means at
least some of the shooting would have to be done with field cameras.

Similar projects involve documenting ancient Native American sites,
both from the air and the ground.

The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.

[Louis L. Perley III]

>
> The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.

Or better yet a Winnebago and some type of trailerable plane, maybe an
ultralight.

--
Louis L. Perley III
N370

[Peter Duniho]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> [...]
> The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.

You would be in good, if small in number, company.

IMHO, this guy has exactly the right idea:
http://www.adrielheisey.com/

I only have his book "Under the Sun", but that one includes some
story-telling about the photography itself, how he trailers his custom
ultralight around and the challenges involved in operating off-airport
(mostly having nothing to do with the aviation itself, which is fairly
straightforward :) ).

His photos are beautiful, and reading his book makes me want to just drop
everything and take a few years to do the same thing he's doing.

You can actually get a lot more details about his work Googling his name.
His web site is short on details, being mainly a sales portal.

Pete

[RomeoMike]

I'm not LDS, but I live in "Mormon Country" and am an avocational
archaeologist. Seems to me that the Mormon Trail is pretty well
documented. They have even had re-enactments along the length of it with
wagons, horses and hand carts, etc. In any event, I'm sure that "The
Church" would be glad to help you with their extensive information base
and technical/financial help if they feel you could improve on current
documentation.

What is less well documented is the Honeymoon Trail in AZ and southern
UT. I'm sure you know what that is as an LDS missionary. The Bureau of
Land Management has info on that one. I'm familiar with some interesting
parts of it.

cjcampbell wrote:

>
> One was an aerial photographic survey of the Mormon Trail, along with
> some ground shots, documenting what is left of the trail. It is fast
> disappearing. I wonder what such a project would cost and how I would
> go about it. I probably would need at least one other
> photographer/pilot to go with me. It would be nice if I could fit an
> aerial photography blimp into the budget. I would think that the
> project would take a couple years at least, so that I could photograph
> the area at different times of the year and also to fit into whatever
> else I am doing. I can't think of any possible monetary benefit; it
> would have to be entirely a labor of love. I could also do the Oregon
> Trail and some other trails in conjunction with this project. But to
> make it worthwhile, the whole thing would have to be at least National
> Geographic quality or, even better, Arizona Highways, which means at
> least some of the shooting would have to be done with field cameras.
>
> Similar projects involve documenting ancient Native American sites,
> both from the air and the ground.

[Jay Beckman]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jay's comment about Iowa City and Mormon Trek Road reminded me of a few
> projects that I have been thinking about for when I return to the good
> ol' US of A.
>
> One was an aerial photographic survey of the Mormon Trail, along with
> some ground shots, documenting what is left of the trail. It is fast
> disappearing. I wonder what such a project would cost and how I would
> go about it. I probably would need at least one other
> photographer/pilot to go with me. It would be nice if I could fit an
> aerial photography blimp into the budget. I would think that the
> project would take a couple years at least, so that I could photograph
> the area at different times of the year and also to fit into whatever
> else I am doing. I can't think of any possible monetary benefit; it
> would have to be entirely a labor of love. I could also do the Oregon
> Trail and some other trails in conjunction with this project. But to
> make it worthwhile, the whole thing would have to be at least National
> Geographic quality or, even better, Arizona Highways, which means at
> least some of the shooting would have to be done with field cameras.
>
> Similar projects involve documenting ancient Native American sites,
> both from the air and the ground.
>
> The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.
>

cj,

If only I could afford to work for that long "on spec" I'd sign up like a
shot!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/aerials
(Not quite NG or AZ Hwys quality but dare to dream...)

[Kyle Boatright]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jay's comment about Iowa City and Mormon Trek Road reminded me of a few
> projects that I have been thinking about for when I return to the good
> ol' US of A.
>
> One was an aerial photographic survey of the Mormon Trail, along with
> some ground shots, documenting what is left of the trail. It is fast
> disappearing. I wonder what such a project would cost and how I would
> go about it. I probably would need at least one other
> photographer/pilot to go with me. It would be nice if I could fit an
> aerial photography blimp into the budget. I would think that the
> project would take a couple years at least, so that I could photograph
> the area at different times of the year and also to fit into whatever
> else I am doing. I can't think of any possible monetary benefit; it
> would have to be entirely a labor of love. I could also do the Oregon
> Trail and some other trails in conjunction with this project. But to
> make it worthwhile, the whole thing would have to be at least National
> Geographic quality or, even better, Arizona Highways, which means at
> least some of the shooting would have to be done with field cameras.
>
> Similar projects involve documenting ancient Native American sites,
> both from the air and the ground.
>
> The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.

Here's a project that sounds very similar to the one you mention:

www.chasinglewisandclark.com

They used a "fat" ultralight and a 'Bago or equivalent.

KB

[JJS]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jay's comment about Iowa City and Mormon Trek Road reminded me of a few
> projects that I have been thinking about for when I return to the good
> ol' US of A.
>
> One was an aerial photographic survey of the Mormon Trail, along with
> some ground shots, documenting what is left of the trail.
snip

These guys did a nice job with the Lewis & Clark Journey via AirCam. I've read their book and it was a very
professional job.

http://lewisandclarkbyair.com/

I've flown the Santa Fe Trail and I've considered flying the Oregon / Mormon Trail in the future.

I'd suggest "The Oregon, California, and Mormon Trails by Air: A pilot's Guide to the Immigrant Trails" (ISBN
0-9655085-9-5) as a starting point for your research. The Author is William W. White. He had a website but I
haven't been able to find it, lately. E-mail me for a phone number if you need it or you can Google for more info.
I believe Google may archive old websites? Try Western Airtrails.com out of Logan, Utah.

If you make the journey, please report back here occasionally as I'd be very interested in your progress. I wish I
could tag along. It sounds like a great project.

Joe Schneider
N8437R



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[cjcampbell]

RomeoMike wrote:
> I'm not LDS, but I live in "Mormon Country" and am an avocational
> archaeologist. Seems to me that the Mormon Trail is pretty well
> documented. They have even had re-enactments along the length of it with
> wagons, horses and hand carts, etc. In any event, I'm sure that "The
> Church" would be glad to help you with their extensive information base
> and technical/financial help if they feel you could improve on current
> documentation.
>
> What is less well documented is the Honeymoon Trail in AZ and southern
> UT. I'm sure you know what that is as an LDS missionary. The Bureau of
> Land Management has info on that one. I'm familiar with some interesting
> parts of it.
>
> cjcampbell wrote:

An interesting idea at that. Might be better flying weather, too. :-)
There is another couple missionary here, stationed in Baguio, Elder
Brian Smith and his wife. Elder Smith has already done some very
interesting photography in that area and no doubt would be interested
in furthering that.

[cjcampbell]

JJS wrote:
>
> These guys did a nice job with the Lewis & Clark Journey via AirCam. I've read their book and it was a very
> professional job.
>
> http://lewisandclarkbyair.com/
>
> I've flown the Santa Fe Trail and I've considered flying the Oregon / Mormon Trail in the future.
>
> I'd suggest "The Oregon, California, and Mormon Trails by Air: A pilot's Guide to the Immigrant Trails" (ISBN
> 0-9655085-9-5) as a starting point for your research. The Author is William W. White. He had a website but I
> haven't been able to find it, lately. E-mail me for a phone number if you need it or you can Google for more info.
> I believe Google may archive old websites? Try Western Airtrails.com out of Logan, Utah.

Thanks. I will take a look at at that.

[Flyingmonk]

cj wrote:
>The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
>which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.

Maybe this will fit the bill?

http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avion.htm

The Monk

[Morgans]

"cjcampbell" > wrote

> Similar projects involve documenting ancient Native American sites,
> both from the air and the ground.
>
> The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.
\
Get you a DC-3, or something equally huge, and convert it into a camper.
Then you have your Winnebago!

It could also be used to fly airlift flights into ( ______ ) -fill in the
blank- , where some of your missionary buddies need some stuff flown into.
You might even be lucky and have the church to pay for part (or all) of it.
Add onto that, it would be a blast to learn to fly, and to fly it into
places yet undiscovered, by you.
--
Jim in NC

[Rob]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > [...]
> > The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> > which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.
>
> You would be in good, if small in number, company.
>
> IMHO, this guy has exactly the right idea:
> http://www.adrielheisey.com/
>
> I only have his book "Under the Sun", but that one includes some
> story-telling about the photography itself, how he trailers his custom
> ultralight around and the challenges involved in operating off-airport
> (mostly having nothing to do with the aviation itself, which is fairly
> straightforward :) ).
>
> His photos are beautiful, and reading his book makes me want to just drop
> everything and take a few years to do the same thing he's doing.
>
> You can actually get a lot more details about his work Googling his name.
> His web site is short on details, being mainly a sales portal.
>
> Pete

I saw his work showing in a museum in Albuquerque a couple of summers
ago. Awesome. I believe I read somewhere that he caused a small
security dustup near the Palo Verde nuke plant west of Phoenix shortly
post-911.

Rob

[RomeoMike]

I'd be happy to direct you to some points of interest on the Honeymoon
Trail when you get back. If you're interested I could email you my name
and contact info.


>>cjcampbell wrote:
>
>
> An interesting idea at that. Might be better flying weather, too. :-)
> There is another couple missionary here, stationed in Baguio, Elder
> Brian Smith and his wife. Elder Smith has already done some very
> interesting photography in that area and no doubt would be interested
> in furthering that.
>

[cjcampbell]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > [...]
> > The way I see it, this would be kind of a full-time nomadic thing, for
> > which I would probably need a Winnebago as well as an airplane.
>
> You would be in good, if small in number, company.
>
> IMHO, this guy has exactly the right idea:
> http://www.adrielheisey.com/

I think you are right. He has exactly the right idea.

[cjcampbell]

Jay Beckman wrote:
>
> cj,
>
> If only I could afford to work for that long "on spec" I'd sign up like a
> shot!
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ
> http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/aerials
> (Not quite NG or AZ Hwys quality but dare to dream...)

You are probably better than you think you are.

For myself, I would take some serious photo workshops before embarking
on such an endeavor. It would not do to put in all that time and effort
and then end up with an inferior result.